Re: Best type of magnesium

[Guest guest]

The diet I'm on recommends only citrate. Here's a blurb about citrate that

references a fairly recent study:

" Magnesium Citrate found more bioavailable than other Mg preparations in a

randomised, double-blind study.

Magnes Res. 2003 Sep;16(3):183-91. Hugh Sinclair Unit of Human Nutrition, School

of Food Biosciences, The University of Reading, Whiteknights, Reading, UK.

In this 60 day study, the relative bioavailability of three preparations of

magnesium (amino-acid chelate, citrate and oxide) were compared at a daily dose

of 300 mg of elemental Mg in 46 healthy individuals.Results showed that

supplementation of the organic forms of magnesium (citrate and amino-acid

chelate) showed greater absorption at 60 days than magnesium oxide. Magnesium

citrate led to the greatest mean serum magnesium concentration compared with

other treatments. The red blood cell magnesium concentration showed no

differences among groups. Chronic magnesium citrate supplementation resulted in

the greatest magnesium concentration in saliva.

Source: http://magnesium-citrate.org/

Also please be sure to balance your mag with at least 1:1 ratio of mag to

calcium.

HTH,

>

> I have both Magnesium Citrate powder and Magnesium bis-glycinate but I'm not

sure which form is better absorbed. I hate taking my Magnesium bis-glycinate

because the pills are huge and you have to take 4 of them just to get 100% daily

value of magnesium. They also have a ton of fillers in the pills that I don't

like to take everyday.

>

[Guest guest]

Thin water??? lol, another gimic.

Magnesium chloride is used topically. Likely that is what this is, and perhaps

not full strength.

And that s the best magnesium for topical use, and for that the best is from the

zechstein sea

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: leesanozzie

The best Magnesium I have found so far is applied topically. If you have a sore

muscle or cramp and rub it on, the pain goes intstantly. You can soak it it

also, but a little every day somewhere on your skin is magical.

http://www.yourlifesource.com/cwr-dhea.htm

[Guest guest]

Be a magnesium authority;

IMVA - Mark Sircus, they have a number of sites and an ebook that is excellent.

Below is their mg site;

www.magnesiumforlife.com

The Magnesium Miracle by Carol Dean

Is on google books

http://tinyurl.com/y3h5xab

and

http://www.mgwater.com/vergini.shtml

Above, the site itself, and in this instance an article by Vergini, M.D. a

member here.

http://www.nutritionalmagnesium.org/index.php?page=Research+Studies

excellent resource

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce P

Thin water??? lol, another gimic.

Magnesium chloride is used topically. Likely that is what this is, and perhaps

not full strength.

And that s the best magnesium for topical use, and for that the best is from the

zechstein sea

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Although it is true that Calcium needs magnesium for absorption, I highly disagree for the need of taking any calcium supplements, especially if you eat foods like milk products. Milk has 8 times the calcium to magnesium ratio. If you eat milk, cheese, yogurt, cornmeal, boxed cereals, fast food tacos, pizza, and burgers with cheese on them, things made with evap milks like candy, sweets, and other labeled 'calcium enriched' processed food, you are getting your calcium. It is the magnesium you are most likely in need of, since the potassium fertilizers they now use depletes Mg in produce. Calcium builds up in the body and can be toxic. It causes calcium deposits in joints and calcifies organs (it causes the same symptoms as a calcium deficiency), while any extra magnesium in the body is eliminated, and guards the body against that.

Calcium ratios which are too high for magnesium ratios cause a calcium and a magnesium deficiency both. Those who take zinc or iron supps, or those who only take Ca , vit D without Mg , and those on low/no whole grain/carb diets also tend to have magnesium deficiencies. We have to be careful of supplements! All the vitamins and minerals that God put into food have EXACT amounts of complementary substances that are needed for uptake. Extra supps can cause disease. Your best bet is to try to eat foods highest in the mineral you need.

White beans are excellent sources of both Mg and potassium. Almonds too.

Magnesium can help chelate many of the metals that people use iodine for.

ps...low calcium and low potassium levels on blood tests likely point to a Mg deficiency.

Gail

http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

http://www.zhealthinfo.com/calm.htm#MAG

[Guest guest]

If a person is eating a balanced diet with

little to no pre-packaged foods and not pre-menopausal then possibly they are

getting the calcium that they need. The best sources of calcium comes from

natural sources. Calcium enriched

products do not give absorbable forms of calcium in which the body can use

effectively.

A

publication in the February, 2003 issue of the American Journal of Clinical

Nutrition (Vol. 77, No. 2, 504-511) clearly demonstrates that eighteen years of

milk consumption did not prevent hip fractures for post-menopausal women. How

many subjects participated in the study?

A mere 72,337. As part of Walter Willett's Harvard Nurses Study, investigator

Diane Feskanich performed statistical tests of significance for 18 years of

data including dietary intake of calcium (dairy and supplements) to determine

her findings.

The conclusion reached from this observational analyses, is that dietary

calcium plays little or no role in preventing bone loss. Drinking milk does not

prevent osteoporosis. A total of 603 hip fractures were analyzed. Scientists

determined that milk consumption was in no way associated with hip fracture

risk. The same conclusion was reached for total calcium consumption.

The Harvard Nurses study previously determined that there is no positive

association between teenaged milk consumption and the risk of adult fractures.

(American Journal of Public Health 1997;87). As a matter of fact, just the

opposite was found to be true. Women consuming greater amounts of calcium from

dairy foods suffered significantly increased risks of hip fractures.

In light of these findings, the dairy industry milk mustache campaign has been

proven to be one enormous deception. Bones break because women eating the wrong

foods create an acid condition in their own bloodstreams, which must be

neutralized by available calcium. The body achieves balance

by taking calcium out of its own bones. Ergo, people eating the

greatest amount of total animal protein are the ones experiencing accelerated

rates of bone loss. The same Journal of Clinical Nutrition, (1995; 61, 4) confirmed

this truth: " Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood

which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton. "

Eighteen years earlier, as the Harvard Nurses study was just beginning, the

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1979;32,4) reported: " Even when

eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass

each year while consuming a high-protein diet. "

Every 3-5 years the natural health community comes out with something we are “severely

low” in. Around 2000 it was

calcium, about 5 years ago we are now deficient in magnesium and for the past

several years we are low in iodine.

Personally (I understand this is anecdotal) I have taken calcium orotate (the

most absorbable form of calcium IF you want calcium to get through the cell

membrane) since 2001. It does

contain magnesium aspartate but not in a 1:1 ratio (gasp!) that so many say is

a “must”. I am not high in calcium (no build-up) nor do I have a

magnesium deficiency. I have clients who present the same as myself. Dr. Hans

Nieper (Germany) found, with real patients in clinical settings, that calcium

orotate has a pronounced anti-inflammatory effect on arthritis,

arteriosclerosis, retinitis, encephalitis and phlebitis, psoriasis, high blood

pressure, multiple sclerosis and colitis. CO is very effective in re-calcifying

the bone tissue following extensive radiation treatment of cancerous bone

lesions. Only Calcium Orotate penetrates directly through the cell membrane,

delivering calcium to the interior of the cell where it is readily utilized. Dr. Nieper had his clients on high

amounts of Calcium Orotate and did not experience Calcium overload. Clinically

I have seen women use Calcium Orotate (with no added magnesium other than what

is in the CO) and reverse what the medical community calls osteoporosis.

Unfortunately pre-packaged foods or fortified foods will not give the body what

it can use and in fact can cause harm and build-up. And let’s not forget all the toxic

chemicals that are found in pre-packaged foods. Getting vitamins/minerals from natural

foods is great if you are eating sufficient quantity (usually means one must be

juicing) and organic. If our foods

were the same as what God gave in the beginning of time then we would have

absolutely no need for supplements.

However, that is not the case since we live in a very “chemical”

society and thus most of our foods are sorely deficient in what we need.

Absolutely what we need is balance and not an unhealthy emphasis on one or

another or the assumption that everyone is low in a particular mineral just

because someone said so. But more importantly we need proper absorption and

that is what should be taught. Even

some forms of magnesium are not properly absorbed. For those suffering from diagnosed

mineral imbalance or those who are fighting disease then yes, certainly increase

as needed. But to suggest that

everyone is on calcium overload or is magnesium deficient is not factual.

Be Well

Dr.L

[Guest guest]

Would be interesting to know if there would have been the same findings using raw milk i.e. milk in its natural state with the enzymes that we need to make use of it as a food, as opposed to pasteurised, and perhaps even homogenised milk, which is much harder for the body to use.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...> wrote:

 

If a person is eating a balanced diet with

little to no pre-packaged foods and not pre-menopausal then possibly they are

getting the calcium that they need. The best sources of calcium comes from

natural sources.  Calcium enriched

products do not give absorbable forms of calcium in which the body can use

effectively.

 

A

publication in the February, 2003 issue of the American Journal of Clinical

Nutrition (Vol. 77, No. 2, 504-511) clearly demonstrates that eighteen years of

milk consumption did not prevent hip fractures for post-menopausal women. How

many subjects participated in the study?

A mere 72,337. As part of Walter Willett's Harvard Nurses Study, investigator

Diane Feskanich performed statistical tests of significance for 18 years of

data including dietary intake of calcium (dairy and supplements) to determine

her findings.

The conclusion reached from this observational analyses, is that dietary

calcium plays little or no role in preventing bone loss. Drinking milk does not

prevent osteoporosis. A total of 603 hip fractures were analyzed. Scientists

determined that milk consumption was in no way associated with hip fracture

risk. The same conclusion was reached for total calcium consumption.

The Harvard Nurses study previously determined that there is no positive

association between teenaged milk consumption and the risk of adult fractures.

(American Journal of Public Health 1997;87). As a matter of fact, just the

opposite was found to be true. Women consuming greater amounts of calcium from

dairy foods suffered significantly increased risks of hip fractures.

In light of these findings, the dairy industry milk mustache campaign has been

proven to be one enormous deception. Bones break because women eating the wrong

foods create an acid condition in their own bloodstreams, which must be

neutralized by available calcium. The body achieves balance

by taking calcium out of its own bones. Ergo, people eating the

greatest amount of total animal protein are the ones experiencing accelerated

rates of bone loss. The same Journal of Clinical Nutrition, (1995; 61, 4) confirmed

this truth: " Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood

which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton. "

Eighteen years earlier, as the Harvard Nurses study was just beginning, the

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1979;32,4) reported: " Even when

eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass

each year while consuming a high-protein diet. "

Every 3-5 years the natural health community comes out with something we are “severely

low” in.  Around 2000 it was

calcium, about 5 years ago we are now deficient in magnesium and for the past

several years we are low in iodine. 

Personally (I understand this is anecdotal) I have taken calcium orotate (the

most absorbable form of calcium IF you want calcium to get through the cell

membrane) since 2001.  It does

contain magnesium aspartate but not in a 1:1 ratio (gasp!) that so many say is

a “must”. I am not high in calcium (no build-up) nor do I have a

magnesium deficiency. I have clients who present the same as myself. Dr. Hans

Nieper (Germany) found, with real patients in clinical settings, that calcium

orotate has a pronounced anti-inflammatory effect on arthritis,

arteriosclerosis, retinitis, encephalitis and phlebitis, psoriasis, high blood

pressure, multiple sclerosis and colitis. CO is very effective in re-calcifying

the bone tissue following extensive radiation treatment of cancerous bone

lesions. Only Calcium Orotate penetrates directly through the cell membrane,

delivering calcium to the interior of the cell where it is readily utilized.  Dr. Nieper had his clients on high

amounts of Calcium Orotate and did not experience Calcium overload. Clinically

I have seen women use Calcium Orotate (with no added magnesium other than what

is in the CO) and reverse what the medical community calls osteoporosis.

Unfortunately pre-packaged foods or fortified foods will not give the body what

it can use and in fact can cause harm and build-up.  And let’s not forget all the toxic

chemicals that are found in pre-packaged foods.  Getting vitamins/minerals from natural

foods is great if you are eating sufficient quantity (usually means one must be

juicing) and organic.  If our foods

were the same as what God gave in the beginning of time then we would have

absolutely no need for supplements. 

However, that is not the case since we live in a very “chemical”

society and thus most of our foods are sorely deficient in what we need. 

Absolutely what we need is balance and not an unhealthy emphasis on one or

another or the assumption that everyone is low in a particular mineral just

because someone said so. But more importantly we need proper absorption and

that is what should be taught.  Even

some forms of magnesium are not properly absorbed.  For those suffering from diagnosed

mineral imbalance or those who are fighting disease then yes, certainly increase

as needed.  But to suggest that

everyone is on calcium overload or is magnesium deficient is not factual.

Be Well

Dr.L

  

[Guest guest]

Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of the

greatest responders to LDN. www.low dose naltrexone.org

--

At 08:15 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote:

>if you have crohn,look at low dose naltrexone.amazing results with

>university <http://research.it>research.it only increase the endorphines

>which are low at people with auto-immune

>

>On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:26 PM, DeNormandie

><<mailto:blessedark2010@...>blessedark2010@...> wrote:

>

>

>Gail,

>If you are a celiac and have crohn's disease like I do I can't eat over

>3/4 of the food you listed. Of course I am getting enough sunshine and can

>eat yogurt. I also have degenerating disc disease and other spinal

>problems so supplementing every other day is best for me.

>We are all different. What works for one may not work for another.

>

> from Illinois

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Also great healing/best results by cutting out carbs/wheat, funny as I had the page open here on this;

always best to look for natural causes as looking at drugs first one may miss the natural way.

"If all cases of lectin intolerance were genetically based reversal of intolerance would not be possible. There must therefore be a subgroup of IBS, Crohn's, Celiac, colitis that is related to sensitization to food lectins that can be reversed by avoidance of these lectins and a restoration of gut function including SIgA and other immune protectors. Bacteria, virus, or other conditions, drugs or injurious substances acting directly on the gut wall may cause sensitization..."

http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

Bruce

Bruce

Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of the greatest responders to LDN. www.low dose naltrexone.org--At 08:15 AM 4/16/2010, you wrote:>if you have crohn,look at low dose naltrexone.amazing results with >university <http://research.it>research.it only increase the endorphines >which are low at people with auto-immune>>On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 2:26 PM, DeNormandie ><<mailto:blessedark2010att (DOT) net>blessedark2010att (DOT) net> wrote:>>>Gail,>If you are a celiac and have crohn's disease like I do I can't eat over >3/4 of the food you listed. Of course I am getting enough sunshine and can >eat yogurt. I also have degenerating disc disease and other spinal >problems so supplementing every other day is best for me.>We are all different. What works for one may not work for another.>> from Illinois~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Yes, but if I may say, a great number of people with gastrointestinal

issues are not responding that well even to radical dietary changes. The

LDN allows people to heal the tissues-- there are some phenomenal

before/after pictures. To be clear, not saying diet isn't important, but

the fact is many people are not able to heal even with a sound diet.

--

At 04:21 PM 4/16/2010, you wrote:

>Also great healing/best results by cutting out carbs/wheat, funny as I had

>the page open here on this;

>always best to look for natural causes as looking at drugs first one may

>miss the natural way.

>

>

> " If all cases of lectin intolerance were genetically based reversal of

>intolerance would not be possible. There must therefore be a subgroup of

>IBS, Crohn's, Celiac, colitis that is related to sensitization to food

>lectins that can be reversed by avoidance of these lectins and a

>restoration of gut function including SIgA and other immune protectors.

>Bacteria, virus, or other conditions, drugs or injurious substances acting

>directly on the gut wall may cause sensitization... "

><http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html>http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

>Bruce

>

>

>Bruce

>

> Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

>

>

>

>Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of the

>greatest responders to LDN.

><http://www.low dose naltrexone.org>www.low dose naltrexone.org

>

>--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Don't you think that many people have psycho.emotional issues? For which psychotherapymay be the treatment of choice?

>Also great healing/best results by cutting out carbs/wheat, funny as I had

>the page open here on this;

>always best to look for natural causes as looking at drugs first one may

>miss the natural way.

>

>

>"If all cases of lectin intolerance were genetically based reversal of

>intolerance would not be possible. There must therefore be a subgroup of

>IBS, Crohn's, Celiac, colitis that is related to sensitization to food

>lectins that can be reversed by avoidance of these lectins and a

>restoration of gut function including SIgA and other immune protectors.

>Bacteria, virus, or other conditions, drugs or injurious substances acting

>directly on the gut wall may cause sensitization. .."

><http://www.krispin. com/lectin. html>http://www.krispin. com/lectin. html

>Bruce

>

>

>Bruce

>

> Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

>

>

>

>Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of the

>greatest responders to LDN.

><http://www.lowdosen altrexone. org>www.lowdosenaltrex one.org

>

>--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Dr.Lanphier,

Where does one find calcium orotate? A friend and I have looked on the shelves of the health food stores and haven't found it yet? Thank you,Pat

iodine From: drlanphier@...Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:19:16 -0500Subject: RE: Re: Best type of Magnesium

If a person is eating a balanced diet with little to no pre-packaged foods and not pre-menopausal then possibly they are getting the calcium that they need. The best sources of calcium comes from natural sources. Calcium enriched products do not give absorbable forms of calcium in which the body can use effectively.

A publication in the February, 2003 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 77, No. 2, 504-511) clearly demonstrates that eighteen years of milk consumption did not prevent hip fractures for post-menopausal women. How many subjects participated in the study? A mere 72,337. As part of Walter Willett's Harvard Nurses Study, investigator Diane Feskanich performed statistical tests of significance for 18 years of data including dietary intake of calcium (dairy and supplements) to determine her findings. The conclusion reached from this observational analyses, is that dietary calcium plays little or no role in preventing bone loss. Drinking milk does not prevent osteoporosis. A total of 603 hip fractures were analyzed. Scientists determined that milk consumption was in no way associated with hip fracture risk. The same conclusion was reached for total calcium consumption. The Harvard Nurses study previously determined that there is no positive association between teenaged milk consumption and the risk of adult fractures. (American Journal of Public Health 1997;87). As a matter of fact, just the opposite was found to be true. Women consuming greater amounts of calcium from dairy foods suffered significantly increased risks of hip fractures. In light of these findings, the dairy industry milk mustache campaign has been proven to be one enormous deception. Bones break because women eating the wrong foods create an acid condition in their own bloodstreams, which must be neutralized by available calcium. The body achieves balance by taking calcium out of its own bones. Ergo, people eating the greatest amount of total animal protein are the ones experiencing accelerated rates of bone loss. The same Journal of Clinical Nutrition, (1995; 61, 4) confirmed this truth: "Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton." Eighteen years earlier, as the Harvard Nurses study was just beginning, the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1979;32,4) reported: "Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while consuming a high-protein diet."Every 3-5 years the natural health community comes out with something we are “severely low” in. Around 2000 it was calcium, about 5 years ago we are now deficient in magnesium and for the past several years we are low in iodine. Personally (I understand this is anecdotal) I have taken calcium orotate (the most absorbable form of calcium IF you want calcium to get through the cell membrane) since 2001. It does contain magnesium aspartate but not in a 1:1 ratio (gasp!) that so many say is a “must”. I am not high in calcium (no build-up) nor do I have a magnesium deficiency. I have clients who present the same as myself. Dr. Hans Nieper (Germany) found, with real patients in clinical settings, that calcium orotate has a pronounced anti-inflammatory effect on arthritis, arteriosclerosis, retinitis, encephalitis and phlebitis, psoriasis, high blood pressure, multiple sclerosis and colitis. CO is very effective in re-calcifying the bone tissue following extensive radiation treatment of cancerous bone lesions. Only Calcium Orotate penetrates directly through the cell membrane, delivering calcium to the interior of the cell where it is readily utilized. Dr. Nieper had his clients on high amounts of Calcium Orotate and did not experience Calcium overload. Clinically I have seen women use Calcium Orotate (with no added magnesium other than what is in the CO) and reverse what the medical community calls osteoporosis.Unfortunately pre-packaged foods or fortified foods will not give the body what it can use and in fact can cause harm and build-up. And let’s not forget all the toxic chemicals that are found in pre-packaged foods. Getting vitamins/minerals from natural foods is great if you are eating sufficient quantity (usually means one must be juicing) and organic. If our foods were the same as what God gave in the beginning of time then we would have absolutely no need for supplements. However, that is not the case since we live in a very “chemical” society and thus most of our foods are sorely deficient in what we need. Absolutely what we need is balance and not an unhealthy emphasis on one or another or the assumption that everyone is low in a particular mineral just because someone said so. But more importantly we need proper absorption and that is what should be taught. Even some forms of magnesium are not properly absorbed. For those suffering from diagnosed mineral imbalance or those who are fighting disease then yes, certainly increase as needed. But to suggest that everyone is on calcium overload or is magnesium deficient is not factual.Be WellDr.L

[Guest guest]

I bought some from iherb.com, also bought magnesium orotate from them too. Kathleen

RE: Re: Best type of Magnesium

If a person is eating a balanced diet with little to no pre-packaged foods and not pre-menopausal then possibly they are getting the calcium that they need. The best sources of calcium comes from natural sources. Calcium enriched products do not give absorbable forms of calcium in which the body can use effectively.

A publication in the February, 2003 issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Vol. 77, No. 2, 504-511) clearly demonstrates that eighteen years of milk consumption did not prevent hip fractures for post-menopausal women. How many subjects participated in the study? A mere 72,337. As part of Walter Willett's Harvard Nurses Study, investigator Diane Feskanich performed statistical tests of significance for 18 years of data including dietary intake of calcium (dairy and supplements) to determine her findings. The conclusion reached from this observational analyses, is that dietary calcium plays little or no role in preventing bone loss. Drinking milk does not prevent osteoporosis. A total of 603 hip fractures were analyzed. Scientists determined that milk consumption was in no way associated with hip fracture risk. The same conclusion was reached for total calcium consumption. The Harvard Nurses study previously determined that there is no positive association between teenaged milk consumption and the risk of adult fractures. (American Journal of Public Health 1997;87). As a matter of fact, just the opposite was found to be true. Women consuming greater amounts of calcium from dairy foods suffered significantly increased risks of hip fractures. In light of these findings, the dairy industry milk mustache campaign has been proven to be one enormous deception. Bones break because women eating the wrong foods create an acid condition in their own bloodstreams, which must be neutralized by available calcium. The body achieves balance by taking calcium out of its own bones. Ergo, people eating the greatest amount of total animal protein are the ones experiencing accelerated rates of bone loss. The same Journal of Clinical Nutrition, (1995; 61, 4) confirmed this truth: "Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton." Eighteen years earlier, as the Harvard Nurses study was just beginning, the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1979;32,4) reported: "Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while consuming a high-protein diet."Every 3-5 years the natural health community comes out with something we are “severely low” in. Around 2000 it was calcium, about 5 years ago we are now deficient in magnesium and for the past several years we are low in iodine. Personally (I understand this is anecdotal) I have taken calcium orotate (the most absorbable form of calcium IF you want calcium to get through the cell membrane) since 2001. It does contain magnesium aspartate but not in a 1:1 ratio (gasp!) that so many say is a “must”. I am not high in calcium (no build-up) nor do I have a magnesium deficiency. I have clients who present the same as myself. Dr. Hans Nieper (Germany) found, with real patients in clinical settings, that calcium orotate has a pronounced anti-inflammatory effect on arthritis, arteriosclerosis, retinitis, encephalitis and phlebitis, psoriasis, high blood pressure, multiple sclerosis and colitis. CO is very effective in re-calcifying the bone tissue following extensive radiation treatment of cancerous bone lesions. Only Calcium Orotate penetrates directly through the cell membrane, delivering calcium to the interior of the cell where it is readily utilized. Dr. Nieper had his clients on high amounts of Calcium Orotate and did not experience Calcium overload. Clinically I have seen women use Calcium Orotate (with no added magnesium other than what is in the CO) and reverse what the medical community calls osteoporosis.Unfortunately pre-packaged foods or fortified foods will not give the body what it can use and in fact can cause harm and build-up. And let’s not forget all the toxic chemicals that are found in pre-packaged foods. Getting vitamins/minerals from natural foods is great if you are eating sufficient quantity (usually means one must be juicing) and organic. If our foods were the same as what God gave in the beginning of time then we would have absolutely no need for supplements. However, that is not the case since we live in a very “chemical” society and thus most of our foods are sorely deficient in what we need. Absolutely what we need is balance and not an unhealthy emphasis on one or another or the assumption that everyone is low in a particular mineral just because someone said so. But more importantly we need proper absorption and that is what should be taught. Even some forms of magnesium are not properly absorbed. For those suffering from diagnosed mineral imbalance or those who are fighting disease then yes, certainly increase as needed. But to suggest that everyone is on calcium overload or is magnesium deficient is not factual.Be WellDr.L

[Guest guest]

Who doesn't have psycho/emotional issues in this day and age? LDN cuts

through all kinds of previous barriers and is healing people of a number of

different previously intractable illnesses. The way it works is that it

briefly blockades opioid receptors, and the body responds by producing more

endorphins. Those endorphins are healing people and/or helping them to lead

more productive and happy lives-- MS sufferers are having lesions disappear

and their disease progression stop and reverse, lung cancer sufferers are

still alive 4 years after their prognosis ran out, HIV/AIDS and Hep C

sufferers' viral loads go to zero, Hashi's antibodies disappear, etc. It

doesn't work perfectly for everyone, but it is working for thousands of

people. www.low dose naltrexone.org --

>Don't you think that many people have psycho.emotional issues? For which

>psychotherapy

>may be the treatment of choice?

>

>

>

>

>From: Baker <vbaker@...>

>Subject: Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

>iodine

>Date: Friday, 16 April, 2010, 22:35

>

>

>

>Yes, but if I may say, a great number of people with gastrointestinal

>issues are not responding that well even to radical dietary changes. The

>LDN allows people to heal the tissues-- there are some phenomenal

>before/after pictures. To be clear, not saying diet isn't important, but

>the fact is many people are not able to heal even with a sound diet.

>

>--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

when it comes to the psyche ldn can help  sometimes where no antidepressiva helps.

 

http://glasgowldn2009.com/2009/04/conference-video-interviews-mitchell-krog-south-africa/

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

 

Who doesn't have psycho/emotional issues in this day and age? LDN cuts through all kinds of previous barriers and is healing people of a number of different previously intractable illnesses. The way it works is that it

briefly blockades opioid receptors, and the body responds by producing more endorphins. Those endorphins are healing people and/or helping them to lead more productive and happy lives-- MS sufferers are having lesions disappear

and their disease progression stop and reverse, lung cancer sufferers are still alive 4 years after their prognosis ran out, HIV/AIDS and Hep C sufferers' viral loads go to zero, Hashi's antibodies disappear, etc. It

doesn't work perfectly for everyone, but it is working for thousands of people. www.low dose naltrexone.org -->Don't you think that many people have psycho.emotional issues? For which

>psychotherapy>may be the treatment of choice?>>>>>From: Baker <vbaker@...>

>Subject: Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium>iodine >Date: Friday, 16 April, 2010, 22:35>>>>Yes, but if I may say, a great number of people with gastrointestinal

>issues are not responding that well even to radical dietary changes. The>LDN allows people to heal the tissues-- there are some phenomenal>before/after pictures. To be clear, not saying diet isn't important, but

>the fact is many people are not able to heal even with a sound diet.>>--~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

very interesting . Thanks.david

>

>From: Baker <vbakersstar (DOT) com>

>Subject: Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

>iodinegroups (DOT) com

>Date: Friday, 16 April, 2010, 22:35

>

>

>

>Yes, but if I may say, a great number of people with gastrointestinal

>issues are not responding that well even to radical dietary changes. The

>LDN allows people to heal the tissues-- there are some phenomenal

>before/after pictures. To be clear, not saying diet isn't important, but

>the fact is many people are not able to heal even with a sound diet.

>

>--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

I have friend who wants to try it...do you need an RX ?

Karin

> >

> >From: Baker <vbaker@...>

> >Subject: Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

> >iodine

> >Date: Friday, 16 April, 2010, 22:35

> >

> >

> >

> >Yes, but if I may say, a great number of people with gastrointestinal

> >issues are not responding that well even to radical dietary changes. The

> >LDN allows people to heal the tissues-- there are some phenomenal

> >before/after pictures. To be clear, not saying diet isn't important, but

> >the fact is many people are not able to heal even with a sound diet.

> >

> >--

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

Karin, This is offtopic, I'll send you an invite to discuss it on another

list, or we can talk offlist.

The short answer is yes, but there are ways to get it with a phone consult

or even without rx at all.

btw, the proper, up-to-date website is www.ldninfo.org

--

> I have friend who wants to try it...do you need an RX ?

>Karin

>

>

> > >

> > >From: Baker <vbaker@...>

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

> > >iodine

> > >Date: Friday, 16 April, 2010, 22:35

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Yes, but if I may say, a great number of people with gastrointestinal

> > >issues are not responding that well even to radical dietary changes. The

> > >LDN allows people to heal the tissues-- there are some phenomenal

> > >before/after pictures. To be clear, not saying diet isn't important, but

> > >the fact is many people are not able to heal even with a sound diet.

> > >

> > >--

> >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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I have 3 AI diseases and take LDN. It seems to be helping my hypo symptoms and

my MS symptoms. But I'll be darned if it's even touching the Microscopic

Colitis. I've been on LDN since March 08. Tried the transdermal; didn't make a

difference.

I can't figure out how it could be helping 2 AI diseases, but not the third.

Gastro problems are exceptionally difficult, I agree.

Beverly

>

>

> >Also great healing/best results by cutting out carbs/wheat, funny as I had

> >the page open here on this;

> >always best to look for natural causes as looking at drugs first one may

> >miss the natural way.

> >

> >

> > " If all cases of lectin intolerance were genetically based reversal of

> >intolerance would not be possible. There must therefore be a subgroup of

> >IBS, Crohn's, Celiac, colitis that is related to sensitization to food

> >lectins that can be reversed by avoidance of these lectins and a

> >restoration of gut function including SIgA and other immune protectors.

> >Bacteria, virus, or other conditions, drugs or injurious substances acting

> >directly on the gut wall may cause sensitization... "

> ><http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html>http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

> >Bruce

> >

> >

> >Bruce

> >

> > Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

> >

> >

> >

> >Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of the

> >greatest responders to LDN.

> ><http://www.low dose naltrexone.org>www.low dose naltrexone.org

> >

> >--

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

you might have to look at diet for the colitis.especially gluten,soy milk and sugar.also candida has to be checked.a good probiotics and many times agood digestive enzymes

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Beverly53 <beebie10@...> wrote:

 

I have 3 AI diseases and take LDN. It seems to be helping my hypo symptoms and my MS symptoms. But I'll be darned if it's even touching the Microscopic Colitis. I've been on LDN since March 08. Tried the transdermal; didn't make a difference.

I can't figure out how it could be helping 2 AI diseases, but not the third. Gastro problems are exceptionally difficult, I agree.Beverly

> > > >Also great healing/best results by cutting out carbs/wheat, funny as I had > >the page open here on this;> >always best to look for natural causes as looking at drugs first one may

> >miss the natural way.> >> >> > " If all cases of lectin intolerance were genetically based reversal of > >intolerance would not be possible. There must therefore be a subgroup of

> >IBS, Crohn's, Celiac, colitis that is related to sensitization to food > >lectins that can be reversed by avoidance of these lectins and a > >restoration of gut function including SIgA and other immune protectors.

> >Bacteria, virus, or other conditions, drugs or injurious substances acting > >directly on the gut wall may cause sensitization... " > ><http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html>http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

> >Bruce> >> >> >Bruce> >> > Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium> >> >> >> >Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of the

> >greatest responders to LDN. > ><http://www.low dose naltrexone.org>www.low dose naltrexone.org

> >> >--> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J. Muste>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Ido, thank you, you are right. I am gluten-free for about 2 years now.

Also soy-free, legume-free, basically grain-free. I do some sugar, but limit it

to some goat milk yogurt and kefir.

I know about candida, but have never thought I had a problem with it. I do not

get yeast infections and I have never taken alot of antibiotics. Maybe I'm

wrong, though. I have eaten alot of sugar and carbs in my lifetime.

Is there a specific test for candida, or is it based on symptoms?

Beverly

> > >

> > >

> > > >Also great healing/best results by cutting out carbs/wheat, funny as I

> > had

> > > >the page open here on this;

> > > >always best to look for natural causes as looking at drugs first one may

> >

> > > >miss the natural way.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " If all cases of lectin intolerance were genetically based reversal of

> > > >intolerance would not be possible. There must therefore be a subgroup of

> >

> > > >IBS, Crohn's, Celiac, colitis that is related to sensitization to food

> > > >lectins that can be reversed by avoidance of these lectins and a

> > > >restoration of gut function including SIgA and other immune protectors.

> > > >Bacteria, virus, or other conditions, drugs or injurious substances

> > acting

> > > >directly on the gut wall may cause sensitization... "

> > > ><http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html>http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

> > > >Bruce

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Bruce

> > > >

> > > > Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of

> > the

> > > >greatest responders to LDN.

> > > ><http://www.low dose naltrexone.org>www.low dose naltrexone.org

> > > >

> > > >--

> > >

> > >

> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > > --A.J. Muste

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

dr mccandless which treats autists children says that the best test is urine test,this is from the ldn board

 

The only way to know for sure if you have candida yeast overgrowth is to get a urinary dysbiosis test (measures by-products of yeast in the urine) - stool tests can often miss yeast, but the urine will show it. This is part of the Organic

Acid Test (OAT) and is done by Metametrix, GreatPlains, and Genova Labs - it must be ordered by aphysician. The entire OAT (metametrix calls itOrganix) tells you what vitamins you are missing andis a very good guage of your overall metabolic

process, including toxicities and deficiencies. Thedysbiosis part only measure the by-products of yeastand bacteria, and does not cost as much as the fulltest. This is one of the routine tests I get on all

children with autism, as they have many metabolicdisorders and most have yeast and bacteria and need tobe treated for this to help them improve their health

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Beverly53 <beebie10@...> wrote:

 

Yes, Ido, thank you, you are right. I am gluten-free for about 2 years now. Also soy-free, legume-free, basically grain-free. I do some sugar, but limit it to some goat milk yogurt and kefir.I know about candida, but have never thought I had a problem with it. I do not get yeast infections and I have never taken alot of antibiotics. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I have eaten alot of sugar and carbs in my lifetime.

Is there a specific test for candida, or is it based on symptoms?Beverly > > >> > >> > > >Also great healing/best results by cutting out carbs/wheat, funny as I

> > had> > > >the page open here on this;> > > >always best to look for natural causes as looking at drugs first one may> >> > > >miss the natural way.> > > >

> > > >> > > > " If all cases of lectin intolerance were genetically based reversal of> > > >intolerance would not be possible. There must therefore be a subgroup of> >

> > > >IBS, Crohn's, Celiac, colitis that is related to sensitization to food> > > >lectins that can be reversed by avoidance of these lectins and a> > > >restoration of gut function including SIgA and other immune protectors.

> > > >Bacteria, virus, or other conditions, drugs or injurious substances> > acting> > > >directly on the gut wall may cause sensitization... " > > > ><http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html>http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

> > > >Bruce> > > >> > > >> > > >Bruce> > > >> > > > Re: Re: Best type of Magnesium> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >Second this. Chrohn's and other gastrointestinal ailments are some of

> > the> > > >greatest responders to LDN.> > > ><http://www.low dose naltrexone.org>www.low dose naltrexone.org

> > > >> > > >--> > >> > >> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> > > --A.J. Muste> > >> >

> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Avoid oxide. Mag chloride is form body uses but malate and taurate are also good choices. Split doses and taking with calcium 2 parts calcium to one part magnesium help absorption and with meals if you can. Also avoid coral calcium as body is about as likely to use that as cardboard from what my dr. said recently. Pam

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote:

 

Was buying magnesium at the store today as part of the iodine companion nutrients, and couldn't remember the best type to get. There are so many types... citrate, malate, etc.Which one is best?

Thanks, Angie

" I take supplements because they keep my coat healthy and shiny "

[Guest guest]

People have different experiences with kinds of magnesium,

wildly different experiences.

I would ignore anything you read, get rid of any preconceptions,

and experiment. A combination of more than one kind may work

well. I use a combo of aspartate, citrate, and oxide. Sometimes

just oxide if I need some extra mag, but YMMV.

Carol W.

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