Re: Iodine and zero TSH

[Guest guest]

Armour is known to suppress the TSH when you get adequate amounts of hormone. TSH's purpose is to call for hormone's to be made. But you have interrupted the feedback loop by taking outside hormones. The increase in TSH only occurs in those w/o thyroid hormones from an rx (in most cases - those undertreated may be the exception).

Steph

Iodine and zero TSH

I take 50 mg of Iodoral plus the supplements recommended. I've been on 90 mg Armour for about 8 months. My recent tests show a "virtually zero" TSH, while the T3 and T4 seem to be midrange. There has been a lot of discussion about Iodine raising TSH, but has anyone else had a zero TSH? I had one private reply (thanks!) to my query last week, but wondered if anyone else has experience with this. Could it be the iodine, or should I be looking at pituitary problems? I'm 66, post menopause, and my other hormones are low, which I thought normal for my age. I also take 15 mg of cortef for cortisol, which runs low particularly in the a.m. I was having hypothyroid symptoms on the armour, but my doc authorized an rx for compounded thyroid, and although he threatened to reduce that dosage, he did not yet do so. Any ideas? Jill

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Steph. My doc thinks I'm getting too much armour, though.

Even with the T3 and T4 in midrange, and a return of hypo symptoms.

Could he be right, do you think? At lest I know it isn't the iodine.

ladybugsandbees wrote:

Armour is known to suppress the TSH when you get adequate

amounts of hormone. TSH's purpose is to call for hormone's to be

made. But you have interrupted the feedback loop by taking outside

hormones. The increase in TSH only occurs in those w/o thyroid

hormones from an rx (in most cases - those undertreated may be the

exception).

Steph

Iodine and zero TSH

I take 50 mg of Iodoral plus the supplements recommended. I've

been on

90 mg Armour for about 8 months. My recent tests show a "virtually

zero" TSH, while the T3 and T4 seem to be midrange. There has been a

lot of discussion about Iodine raising TSH, but has anyone else had a

zero TSH?

I had one private reply (thanks!) to my query last week, but wondered

if

anyone else has experience with this. Could it be the iodine, or should

I be looking at pituitary problems?

I'm 66, post menopause, and my other hormones are low, which I thought

normal for my age. I also take 15 mg of cortef for cortisol, which runs

low particularly in the a.m. I was having hypothyroid symptoms on the

armour, but my doc authorized an rx for compounded thyroid, and

although

he threatened to reduce that dosage, he did not yet do so.

Any ideas?

Jill

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Steph. My doc thinks I'm getting too much armour, though.

Even with the T3 and T4 in midrange, and a return of hypo symptoms.

Could he be right, do you think? At lest I know it isn't the iodine.

ladybugsandbees wrote:

Armour is known to suppress the TSH when you get adequate

amounts of hormone. TSH's purpose is to call for hormone's to be

made. But you have interrupted the feedback loop by taking outside

hormones. The increase in TSH only occurs in those w/o thyroid

hormones from an rx (in most cases - those undertreated may be the

exception).

Steph

Iodine and zero TSH

I take 50 mg of Iodoral plus the supplements recommended. I've

been on

90 mg Armour for about 8 months. My recent tests show a "virtually

zero" TSH, while the T3 and T4 seem to be midrange. There has been a

lot of discussion about Iodine raising TSH, but has anyone else had a

zero TSH?

I had one private reply (thanks!) to my query last week, but wondered

if

anyone else has experience with this. Could it be the iodine, or should

I be looking at pituitary problems?

I'm 66, post menopause, and my other hormones are low, which I thought

normal for my age. I also take 15 mg of cortef for cortisol, which runs

low particularly in the a.m. I was having hypothyroid symptoms on the

armour, but my doc authorized an rx for compounded thyroid, and

although

he threatened to reduce that dosage, he did not yet do so.

Any ideas?

Jill

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. Are your T3 and T4 in midrange, although the TSH

is zero? Is your doc happy with continued treatment for you with armour?

Jill

>

> My TSH has been totally suppressed on both Levoxyl/Cytomel combo and

> on old Armour/Naturethroid now. My labs read either unreadable or

> about 0.0006 or some such thing. (snip)

> Fibrojay

>

> _,_._,___

[Guest guest]

I take 240mg Armour--my TSH is .03 and frees are in upper quadrant,

which I think is good.

gracia

JL wrote:

>

> Thanks for your reply. Are your T3 and T4 in midrange, although the TSH

> is zero? Is your doc happy with continued treatment for you with armour?

> Jill

>

> >

> > My TSH has been totally suppressed on both Levoxyl/Cytomel combo and

> > on old Armour/Naturethroid now. My labs read either unreadable or

> > about 0.0006 or some such thing. (snip)

> > Fibrojay

> >

> > _,_._,___

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I doubt that the is. Anyone who knows how to use desiccated thyroid knows that suppressed TSH is normal.

Iodine and zero TSH

I take 50 mg of Iodoral plus the supplements recommended. I've been on 90 mg Armour for about 8 months. My recent tests show a "virtually zero" TSH, while the T3 and T4 seem to be midrange. There has been a lot of discussion about Iodine raising TSH, but has anyone else had a zero TSH? I had one private reply (thanks!) to my query last week, but wondered if anyone else has experience with this. Could it be the iodine, or should I be looking at pituitary problems? I'm 66, post menopause, and my other hormones are low, which I thought normal for my age. I also take 15 mg of cortef for cortisol, which runs low particularly in the a.m. I was having hypothyroid symptoms on the armour, but my doc authorized an rx for compounded thyroid, and although he threatened to reduce that dosage, he did not yet do so. Any ideas? Jill

[Guest guest]

Jill, I have a zero TSH also, and take dessicated thyroid along with cytomel,

and also cortef. Plus 50mg of iodoral. My sex hormones run low also, so I get

subcutaneous bioidentical hormones for those. I have concluded, and my doctor

concurs, that my problem originates with my pituitary. My eldest daughter and

siblings have similiar problems. My TSH was zero when my thyroid meds were too

low and I still had hypo symptoms. When a doctor cut my meds based on my TSH, I

became so severely hypo when my TSH came " into normal range " that I gaied 30lbs

in 2 months; my hair stopped growing, my skin dried out, and I became so

depressed I was suicidal. That will NEVER happen again. I will do whatever I

need to do to stay well.

So, my point is: My pituitary is faulty, thus treating my thyroid based on TSH

is ludicrous.

>

> I take 50 mg of Iodoral plus the supplements recommended. I've been on

> 90 mg Armour for about 8 months. My recent tests show a " virtually

> zero " TSH, while the T3 and T4 seem to be midrange. There has been a

> lot of discussion about Iodine raising TSH, but has anyone else had a

> zero TSH?

>

> I had one private reply (thanks!) to my query last week, but wondered if

> anyone else has experience with this. Could it be the iodine, or should

> I be looking at pituitary problems?

>

> I'm 66, post menopause, and my other hormones are low, which I thought

> normal for my age. I also take 15 mg of cortef for cortisol, which runs

> low particularly in the a.m. I was having hypothyroid symptoms on the

> armour, but my doc authorized an rx for compounded thyroid, and although

> he threatened to reduce that dosage, he did not yet do so.

>

> Any ideas?

> Jill

>

[Guest guest]

You said nutritionist said low adrenals, but didn't indicate you are doing

anything to address adrenal fatigue.Might want to get a 24 hour adrenal saliva

test.Have to order yourself, as Dr.'s order a 24 hr. urine collection test, or a

2 draw blood test, which won't give an adequate picture of adrenal fatique.If

you ARE adrenal fatigued, you won't be getting full benefit of thyroid hormone,

since cells need cortisol in order for thyroid hormone to get in.Regarding the

TSH, depending on the test range, (which is probably WRONG) you probably need

more armour.Have you considered gradually increasing the dose, 1/2 gr. every few

weeks, until you feel better, temps stabilise?

The dissiness you describe is called " Orthostatics " . Take your B.P while lieing

down/at rest.Sit up, and w/in 1 minute take it again.Stand up, and take it

again.Should go up about 10 points.If it stays the same, or drops upon standing,

you test positive for orthostatics.Possible causes; dehydration, internal

bleeding, etc.Definetly could be adrenal fatique or insufficient thyroid

hormone, or insufficient utilisation of thyroid hormone due to lack of

ferritin,cortisol(adrenal hormone) or vit D.Might want to look at addressing

this first, or in conjuction with iodine.If your Dr./insurance Co. won't give

you enough 'armour' to increase your dose, w/out running out, couple of options;

order it online, (its not that expensive) or " I spilled the whole bottle down

the sink, need a re-order! " ;-) Jim

> > >

> > > I take 50 mg of Iodoral plus the supplements recommended. I've been on

> > > 90 mg Armour for about 8 months. My recent tests show a " virtually

> > > zero " TSH, while the T3 and T4 seem to be midrange. There has been a

> > > lot of discussion about Iodine raising TSH, but has anyone else had a

> > > zero TSH?

> > >

> > > I had one private reply (thanks!) to my query last week, but wondered if

> > > anyone else has experience with this. Could it be the iodine, or should

> > > I be looking at pituitary problems?

> > >

> > > I'm 66, post menopause, and my other hormones are low, which I thought

> > > normal for my age. I also take 15 mg of cortef for cortisol, which runs

> > > low particularly in the a.m. I was having hypothyroid symptoms on the

> > > armour, but my doc authorized an rx for compounded thyroid, and although

> > > he threatened to reduce that dosage, he did not yet do so.

> > >

> > > Any ideas?

> > > Jill

> > >

> >

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