Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Anne, I "hit a wall" last week in trying to continue my exercise regimen and now I have to sit while teaching -- a form of Tai Chi! -- and I get exhausted from just speaking in a low voice. I know this is hallmark detox, with me thrown back into the worst symptoms of my Chronic Fatigue Sydrome, including a daily low grade fever. And it looks like this is not going to go away soon, but I do believe I will be left stronger and healthier. <And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's> When the detox overwhelmed me, my instinct was to cut back on my internal consumption of Lugol's (75 mg down to 50 mg) but not the painting. I'm sure both are helpful, but the painting has seemed to produce more powerful results. <It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand> In a recent post I spoke of the seeming contradictions in the way painting worked for me, and your experience seems to underline my description of the body being able to absorb more only after it's been "primed." OTOH, one could as easily theorize that your neck was absorbing the stuff so quickly that the color wasn't left sitting on the top of the skin! <The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference.> In my mind, this is key -- and the reason I cut back on my oral rather than my trans-dermal dosage. <(I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. > Ah. The hazards of telling anyone about this process. <Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. > Not so obvious to me. I understand the importance of opening up pathways for elimination, but I don't think I could handle a "cleanse" on top of the clean-up job the iodine is now doing in my body. That is, the "cleanse" sounds like another detox. But maybe I'm missing something here and someone will be able to illuminate me. Blessings. W. On 12/3/2010 11:06 PM, Anne Seals wrote: One of my issues when I joined this list was a nodule on my thyroid, & the sucker has been playing hide & seek with me. When I first started taking iodine, my whole thyroid swelled briefly. Then it shrank to way smaller than I ever remember it being. (Totally surprised me. I had no idea how swollen it was. No doctor had ever commented on the size of it.) At that point, I thought the nodule was almost gone, but then I realize that it had sunk deeper into my throat, to where the swollen thyroid used to be. I think it was smaller, but it wasn't gone, & it was so deep in my neck that it was hard to get a good feel of it. For a while, I worked my way up to 150 mg, which I thought was a bit much. I wasn't having horrible detox, but when you feel lousy enough, it is hard to tell the normal way you feel from mild detox. (I've been having a rough year, I tell you! Hard to tell if you are feeling emotional & tired because of detox or because of your life!) Then my nodule started growing again -- while I was still on 150 mg. Didn't quite know what to do about that. (Kept thinking, "Where is my iodine miracle?") I have always ascribed to the theory that your body uses something where it needs it the most, & I keep trying to tell myself that a thyroid nodule is not as important as shrinking the whole thyroid. (Although it did make me a bit nervous to wonder where my body thought it needed iodine more that I didn't even know about.) And then I started ramping down my iodine a bit, as I seemed to be having more detox. (Other people have indicated that they need to go up or down over time, so I am assuming that is fairly common? I was having the hysteria without the justification, if you know what I mean.) Well, the nodule has been kind of up & down a lot, but recently, it started really going to town -- getting as big as it was at it's largest point. It was quite visible in the mirror. And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's. It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand. The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference. I am trying to remember back to last year, when I first started reading up on iodine. I suddenly realized that I was using a lot of topical Lugol's while I waited for my Iodoral to arrive, & continued for a little while, but gradually phased out the Lugol's as I increased my dose of Iodoral. (It seemed redundant, & the Lugol's can be messy...) But the message from my nodule seems to be that I should continue direct Lugol's application, along with Iodoral. Has anybody else found this to be the case? This also raises the issue of whether this is going to make me start feeling too detoxy again. I've been kind of an emotional weinie all my life (just ask my sister -- she'll tell you!), & I have rather a lot to cope with at the moment, so I don't need the emotional roller coaster of detoxing too fast. (And I just can't handle salt loading, so I don't want to make myself detox fast enough to need it!) But I had multiple indications of iodine deficiency when I started, & still have a way to go... This is going to sound stupid, but I look lousy in the mirror -- kind of haggard. I don't feel all that terrible. A bit emotional & anxious, but not sick. Except when I see myself in the mirror, it kind of scares me. I just don't look well, & I don't know what to make of it. (I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. Hate to show up at Christmas looking like I'm at death's door...) Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. But I feel like I'm missing something. And meanwhile, this nodule is annoying the hell out of me! Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Iodine will stain palm of hands more because the structure of the cells on your palms are different than the cells on your neck. Plus our palms are dryer than the skin on our necks. from IllinoisFrom: West <clairewest@...>iodine Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 6:17:03 AMSubject: Re: nodule hide & seek Anne, I "hit a wall" last week in trying to continue my exercise regimen and now I have to sit while teaching -- a form of Tai Chi! -- and I get exhausted from just speaking in a low voice. I know this is hallmark detox, with me thrown back into the worst symptoms of my Chronic Fatigue Sydrome, including a daily low grade fever. And it looks like this is not going to go away soon, but I do believe I will be left stronger and healthier. <And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's> When the detox overwhelmed me, my instinct was to cut back on my internal consumption of Lugol's (75 mg down to 50 mg) but not the painting. I'm sure both are helpful, but the painting has seemed to produce more powerful results. <It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand> In a recent post I spoke of the seeming contradictions in the way painting worked for me, and your experience seems to underline my description of the body being able to absorb more only after it's been "primed." OTOH, one could as easily theorize that your neck was absorbing the stuff so quickly that the color wasn't left sitting on the top of the skin! <The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference.> In my mind, this is key -- and the reason I cut back on my oral rather than my trans-dermal dosage. <(I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. > Ah. The hazards of telling anyone about this process. <Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. > Not so obvious to me. I understand the importance of opening up pathways for elimination, but I don't think I could handle a "cleanse" on top of the clean-up job the iodine is now doing in my body. That is, the "cleanse" sounds like another detox. But maybe I'm missing something here and someone will be able to illuminate me. Blessings. W. On 12/3/2010 11:06 PM, Anne Seals wrote: One of my issues when I joined this list was a nodule on my thyroid, & the sucker has been playing hide & seek with me. When I first started taking iodine, my whole thyroid swelled briefly. Then it shrank to way smaller than I ever remember it being. (Totally surprised me. I had no idea how swollen it was. No doctor had ever commented on the size of it.) At that point, I thought the nodule was almost gone, but then I realize that it had sunk deeper into my throat, to where the swollen thyroid used to be. I think it was smaller, but it wasn't gone, & it was so deep in my neck that it was hard to get a good feel of it. For a while, I worked my way up to 150 mg, which I thought was a bit much. I wasn't having horrible detox, but when you feel lousy enough, it is hard to tell the normal way you feel from mild detox. (I've been having a rough year, I tell you! Hard to tell if you are feeling emotional & tired because of detox or because of your life!) Then my nodule started growing again -- while I was still on 150 mg. Didn't quite know what to do about that. (Kept thinking, "Where is my iodine miracle?") I have always ascribed to the theory that your body uses something where it needs it the most, & I keep trying to tell myself that a thyroid nodule is not as important as shrinking the whole thyroid. (Although it did make me a bit nervous to wonder where my body thought it needed iodine more that I didn't even know about.) And then I started ramping down my iodine a bit, as I seemed to be having more detox. (Other people have indicated that they need to go up or down over time, so I am assuming that is fairly common? I was having the hysteria without the justification, if you know what I mean.) Well, the nodule has been kind of up & down a lot, but recently, it started really going to town -- getting as big as it was at it's largest point. It was quite visible in the mirror. And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's. It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand. The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference. I am trying to remember back to last year, when I first started reading up on iodine. I suddenly realized that I was using a lot of topical Lugol's while I waited for my Iodoral to arrive, & continued for a little while, but gradually phased out the Lugol's as I increased my dose of Iodoral. (It seemed redundant, & the Lugol's can be messy...) But the message from my nodule seems to be that I should continue direct Lugol's application, along with Iodoral. Has anybody else found this to be the case? This also raises the issue of whether this is going to make me start feeling too detoxy again. I've been kind of an emotional weinie all my life (just ask my sister -- she'll tell you!), & I have rather a lot to cope with at the moment, so I don't need the emotional roller coaster of detoxing too fast. (And I just can't handle salt loading, so I don't want to make myself detox fast enough to need it!) But I had multiple indications of iodine deficiency when I started, & still have a way to go... This is going to sound stupid, but I look lousy in the mirror -- kind of haggard. I don't feel all that terrible. A bit emotional & anxious, but not sick. Except when I see myself in the mirror, it kind of scares me. I just don't look well, & I don't know what to make of it. (I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. Hate to show up at Christmas looking like I'm at death's door...) Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. But I feel like I'm missing something. And meanwhile, this nodule is annoying the hell out of me! Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 , What you say sounds reasonable, but I think there may be other factors, perhaps more significant, that we simply don't understand. Last night I put a drop of straight Lugols 5% on each of three small lesions (actinic keratosis) on the back of my left hand. Two of these were scabby, the third not.  No. 1 scabby - dried to dark brown, No 2 scabby dried to strong ruby red, #3 no scabs, dried to a pinky red. This makes me think that some underlying (tumorous) condition of the skin may play a role, perhaps the dominant role, in how the iodine is or isn't absorbed. W. On 12/4/2010 6:01 AM, DeNormandie wrote:  Iodine will stain palm of hands more because the structure of the cells on your palms are different than the cells on your neck. Plus our palms are dryer than the skin on our necks.  from Illinois From: West <clairewest@...> To: iodine Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 6:17:03 AM Subject: Re: nodule hide & seek  Anne,  I "hit a wall" last week in trying to continue my exercise regimen and now I have to sit while teaching -- a form of Tai Chi! -- and I get exhausted from just speaking in a low voice. I know this is hallmark detox, with me thrown back into the worst symptoms of my Chronic Fatigue Sydrome, including a daily low grade fever. And it looks like this is not going to go away soon, but I do believe I will be left stronger and healthier.  <And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's>  When the detox overwhelmed me, my instinct was to cut back on my internal consumption of Lugol's (75 mg down to 50 mg) but not the painting. I'm sure both are helpful, but the painting has seemed to produce more powerful results. <It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand>  In a recent post I spoke of the seeming contradictions in the way painting worked for me, and your experience seems to underline my description of the body being able to absorb more only after it's been "primed."  OTOH, one could as easily theorize that your neck was absorbing the stuff so quickly that the color wasn't left sitting on the top of the skin! <The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference.>  In my mind, this is key -- and the reason I cut back on my oral rather than my trans-dermal dosage. <(I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. > Ah. The hazards of telling anyone about this process. <Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. >  Not so obvious to me. I understand the importance of opening up pathways for elimination, but I don't think I could handle a "cleanse" on top of the clean-up job the iodine is now doing in my body. That is, the "cleanse" sounds like another detox. But maybe I'm missing something here and someone will be able to illuminate me.  Blessings.  W. On 12/3/2010 11:06 PM, Anne Seals wrote:  One of my issues when I joined this list was a nodule on my thyroid, & the sucker has been playing hide & seek with me. When I first started taking iodine, my whole thyroid swelled briefly. Then it shrank to way smaller than I ever remember it being. (Totally surprised me. I had no idea how swollen it was. No doctor had ever commented on the size of it.) At that point, I thought the nodule was almost gone, but then I realize that it had sunk deeper into my throat, to where the swollen thyroid used to be. I think it was smaller, but it wasn't gone, & it was so deep in my neck that it was hard to get a good feel of it. For a while, I worked my way up to 150 mg, which I thought was a bit much. I wasn't having horrible detox, but when you feel lousy enough, it is hard to tell the normal way you feel from mild detox. (I've been having a rough year, I tell you! Hard to tell if you are feeling emotional & tired because of detox or because of your life!) Then my nodule started growing again -- while I was still on 150 mg. Didn't quite know what to do about that. (Kept thinking, "Where is my iodine miracle?") I have always ascribed to the theory that your body uses something where it needs it the most, & I keep trying to tell myself that a thyroid nodule is not as important as shrinking the whole thyroid. (Although it did make me a bit nervous to wonder where my body thought it needed iodine more that I didn't even know about.) And then I started ramping down my iodine a bit, as I seemed to be having more detox. (Other people have indicated that they need to go up or down over time, so I am assuming that is fairly common? I was having the hysteria without the justification, if you know what I mean.) Well, the nodule has been kind of up & down a lot, but recently, it started really going to town -- getting as big as it was at it's largest point. It was quite visible in the mirror. And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's. It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand. The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference. I am trying to remember back to last year, when I first started reading up on iodine. I suddenly realized that I was using a lot of topical Lugol's while I waited for my Iodoral to arrive, & continued for a little while, but gradually phased out the Lugol's as I increased my dose of Iodoral. (It seemed redundant, & the Lugol's can be messy...) But the message from my nodule seems to be that I should continue direct Lugol's application, along with Iodoral. Has anybody else found this to be the case? This also raises the issue of whether this is going to make me start feeling too detoxy again. I've been kind of an emotional weinie all my life (just ask my sister -- she'll tell you!), & I have rather a lot to cope with at the moment, so I don't need the emotional roller coaster of detoxing too fast. (And I just can't handle salt loading, so I don't want to make myself detox fast enough to need it!) But I had multiple indications of iodine deficiency when I started, & still have a way to go... This is going to sound stupid, but I look lousy in the mirror -- kind of haggard. I don't feel all that terrible. A bit emotional & anxious, but not sick. Except when I see myself in the mirror, it kind of scares me. I just don't look well, & I don't know what to make of it. (I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. Hate to show up at Christmas looking like I'm at death's door...) Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. But I feel like I'm missing something. And meanwhile, this nodule is annoying the hell out of me! Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 You're right. The cells maybe all different structures. But please don't jump to the worse. Just keep up with what you're doing and hopefully they will all disappear and go away forever. from IllinoisFrom: West <clairewest@...>iodine Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 10:31:07 AMSubject: Re: nodule hide & seek , What you say sounds reasonable, but I think there may be other factors, perhaps more significant, that we simply don't understand. Last night I put a drop of straight Lugols 5% on each of three small lesions (actinic keratosis) on the back of my left hand. Two of these were scabby, the third not. No. 1 scabby - dried to dark brown, No 2 scabby dried to strong ruby red, #3 no scabs, dried to a pinky red. This makes me think that some underlying (tumorous) condition of the skin may play a role, perhaps the dominant role, in how the iodine is or isn't absorbed. W. On 12/4/2010 6:01 AM, DeNormandie wrote: Iodine will stain palm of hands more because the structure of the cells on your palms are different than the cells on your neck. Plus our palms are dryer than the skin on our necks. from Illinois From: West <clairewest@...> To: iodine Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 6:17:03 AM Subject: Re: nodule hide & seek Anne, I "hit a wall" last week in trying to continue my exercise regimen and now I have to sit while teaching -- a form of Tai Chi! -- and I get exhausted from just speaking in a low voice. I know this is hallmark detox, with me thrown back into the worst symptoms of my Chronic Fatigue Sydrome, including a daily low grade fever. And it looks like this is not going to go away soon, but I do believe I will be left stronger and healthier. <And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's> When the detox overwhelmed me, my instinct was to cut back on my internal consumption of Lugol's (75 mg down to 50 mg) but not the painting. I'm sure both are helpful, but the painting has seemed to produce more powerful results. <It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand> In a recent post I spoke of the seeming contradictions in the way painting worked for me, and your experience seems to underline my description of the body being able to absorb more only after it's been "primed." OTOH, one could as easily theorize that your neck was absorbing the stuff so quickly that the color wasn't left sitting on the top of the skin! <The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference.> In my mind, this is key -- and the reason I cut back on my oral rather than my trans-dermal dosage. <(I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. > Ah. The hazards of telling anyone about this process. <Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. > Not so obvious to me. I understand the importance of opening up pathways for elimination, but I don't think I could handle a "cleanse" on top of the clean-up job the iodine is now doing in my body. That is, the "cleanse" sounds like another detox. But maybe I'm missing something here and someone will be able to illuminate me. Blessings. W. On 12/3/2010 11:06 PM, Anne Seals wrote: One of my issues when I joined this list was a nodule on my thyroid, & the sucker has been playing hide & seek with me. When I first started taking iodine, my whole thyroid swelled briefly. Then it shrank to way smaller than I ever remember it being. (Totally surprised me. I had no idea how swollen it was. No doctor had ever commented on the size of it.) At that point, I thought the nodule was almost gone, but then I realize that it had sunk deeper into my throat, to where the swollen thyroid used to be. I think it was smaller, but it wasn't gone, & it was so deep in my neck that it was hard to get a good feel of it. For a while, I worked my way up to 150 mg, which I thought was a bit much. I wasn't having horrible detox, but when you feel lousy enough, it is hard to tell the normal way you feel from mild detox. (I've been having a rough year, I tell you! Hard to tell if you are feeling emotional & tired because of detox or because of your life!) Then my nodule started growing again -- while I was still on 150 mg. Didn't quite know what to do about that. (Kept thinking, "Where is my iodine miracle?") I have always ascribed to the theory that your body uses something where it needs it the most, & I keep trying to tell myself that a thyroid nodule is not as important as shrinking the whole thyroid. (Although it did make me a bit nervous to wonder where my body thought it needed iodine more that I didn't even know about.) And then I started ramping down my iodine a bit, as I seemed to be having more detox. (Other people have indicated that they need to go up or down over time, so I am assuming that is fairly common? I was having the hysteria without the justification, if you know what I mean.) Well, the nodule has been kind of up & down a lot, but recently, it started really going to town -- getting as big as it was at it's largest point. It was quite visible in the mirror. And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's. It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand. The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference. I am trying to remember back to last year, when I first started reading up on iodine. I suddenly realized that I was using a lot of topical Lugol's while I waited for my Iodoral to arrive, & continued for a little while, but gradually phased out the Lugol's as I increased my dose of Iodoral. (It seemed redundant, & the Lugol's can be messy...) But the message from my nodule seems to be that I should continue direct Lugol's application, along with Iodoral. Has anybody else found this to be the case? This also raises the issue of whether this is going to make me start feeling too detoxy again. I've been kind of an emotional weinie all my life (just ask my sister -- she'll tell you!), & I have rather a lot to cope with at the moment, so I don't need the emotional roller coaster of detoxing too fast. (And I just can't handle salt loading, so I don't want to make myself detox fast enough to need it!) But I had multiple indications of iodine deficiency when I started, & still have a way to go... This is going to sound stupid, but I look lousy in the mirror -- kind of haggard. I don't feel all that terrible. A bit emotional & anxious, but not sick. Except when I see myself in the mirror, it kind of scares me. I just don't look well, & I don't know what to make of it. (I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. Hate to show up at Christmas looking like I'm at death's door...) Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. But I feel like I'm missing something. And meanwhile, this nodule is annoying the hell out of me! Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 A lot of the stuff we do is kind of subtle -- very slight systemic changes. You can't help but wonder sometimes if you are imagining things. Good to know other people have the same experience.Years ago, my gynecologist told me I should start having regular mammograms, because my breasts were large, & a tumor would be hard to detect by feel. But the mammogram techs told me that my breasts were very "dense," so the films would also be hard to read. (Then I read about the radiation, & I opted out!) Also, when I was about 18, I had a scare with a lump in my breast which was probably a cyst. I had a minor accident where my breast got bumped hard, & after that the lump was gone. But even after testing showed no sign of the lump, I could still feel a slight irregularity where the cyst had been.After a while on iodine, it felt like my breasts got softer somehow, & I can no longer feel the irregularity where the cyst was... But the change is pretty subtle... (I worry sometimes about being a hypochondriac, because I spend so much time trying to tune in to my body!)And yes, I am definitely to the point I don't talk much about my weird alternative ideas. The last time my husband went to the doctor, he just told them he was on a multi-vitamin, & they asked no more questions. I think that is my new mantra. "I take a multi-vitamin, doctor." They are happy with that, & what they don't know won't hurt me. (I hope!) Of course, I haven't gone to a doctor in a while, & don't have any appointments pending. I've been injured enough.As for the liver cleanse being the next step, I think my liver has been unhappy for a long time. Years of supplements & better living have improved the situation, but I think that is one of my weak areas. I parted company with my gall bladder years ago, & they say that that means you need a liver cleanse. Also, as an overweight person, weight loss was one of the things I was hoping for from iodine, & instead I have gained a few pounds -- which, on the list, is accepted to indicate a liver cleanse. I have been avoiding it because it sounds unpleasant, & I kind of hoped the liver would clean itself out if I gave it good stuff to work with. People who have DONE liver cleanses tend to feel that it was worth it, because they felt so much better after...I did a mini cleanse with the Ezymatic Therapy Complete Liver Cleanse product, & lost 9 lbs., & felt better for a while. But then the weight started creeping back -- which kind of suggested to me that a more emphatic cleanse is probably a good idea. (In fact, over & over again in my alternative studies, I have run up against the recommendation for a liver cleanse -- in regard to allergies, in regard to fibroid tumors...)One of the reasons I stayed on 150 mg. of iodine for so long was because I had so many related issues. (That is to say, so many issues on the iodine deficiency list.) I realize that you can't expect it to resolve over night. But I don't feel that I have made as much progress in the year as I would have hoped. From the sounds of things, you can't detox faster than your liver can flush the crud out -- & if it is clogged up, that will slow things down. I'd like to detox before I die...AnneOn Dec 4, 2010, at 4:17 AM, West wrote: Anne, I "hit a wall" last week in trying to continue my exercise regimen and now I have to sit while teaching -- a form of Tai Chi! -- and I get exhausted from just speaking in a low voice. I know this is hallmark detox, with me thrown back into the worst symptoms of my Chronic Fatigue Sydrome, including a daily low grade fever. And it looks like this is not going to go away soon, but I do believe I will be left stronger and healthier. <And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's> When the detox overwhelmed me, my instinct was to cut back on my internal consumption of Lugol's (75 mg down to 50 mg) but not the painting. I'm sure both are helpful, but the painting has seemed to produce more powerful results. <It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand> In a recent post I spoke of the seeming contradictions in the way painting worked for me, and your experience seems to underline my description of the body being able to absorb more only after it's been "primed." OTOH, one could as easily theorize that your neck was absorbing the stuff so quickly that the color wasn't left sitting on the top of the skin! <The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference.> In my mind, this is key -- and the reason I cut back on my oral rather than my trans-dermal dosage. <(I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. > Ah. The hazards of telling anyone about this process. <Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. > Not so obvious to me. I understand the importance of opening up pathways for elimination, but I don't think I could handle a "cleanse" on top of the clean-up job the iodine is now doing in my body. That is, the "cleanse" sounds like another detox. But maybe I'm missing something here and someone will be able to illuminate me. Blessings. W. On 12/3/2010 11:06 PM, Anne Seals wrote: One of my issues when I joined this list was a nodule on my thyroid, & the sucker has been playing hide & seek with me. When I first started taking iodine, my whole thyroid swelled briefly. Then it shrank to way smaller than I ever remember it being. (Totally surprised me. I had no idea how swollen it was. No doctor had ever commented on the size of it.) At that point, I thought the nodule was almost gone, but then I realize that it had sunk deeper into my throat, to where the swollen thyroid used to be. I think it was smaller, but it wasn't gone, & it was so deep in my neck that it was hard to get a good feel of it. For a while, I worked my way up to 150 mg, which I thought was a bit much. I wasn't having horrible detox, but when you feel lousy enough, it is hard to tell the normal way you feel from mild detox. (I've been having a rough year, I tell you! Hard to tell if you are feeling emotional & tired because of detox or because of your life!) Then my nodule started growing again -- while I was still on 150 mg. Didn't quite know what to do about that. (Kept thinking, "Where is my iodine miracle?") I have always ascribed to the theory that your body uses something where it needs it the most, & I keep trying to tell myself that a thyroid nodule is not as important as shrinking the whole thyroid. (Although it did make me a bit nervous to wonder where my body thought it needed iodine more that I didn't even know about.) And then I started ramping down my iodine a bit, as I seemed to be having more detox. (Other people have indicated that they need to go up or down over time, so I am assuming that is fairly common? I was having the hysteria without the justification, if you know what I mean.) Well, the nodule has been kind of up & down a lot, but recently, it started really going to town -- getting as big as it was at it's largest point. It was quite visible in the mirror. And I haven't been feeling like ramping up my iodine dose again. So I decided to try painting my neck with Lugol's. It was really weird. I would put drops on the palm of my left hand, & then rub them into the right side of my neck where the nodule is. My hand would get very stained, but my neck only had a pale mark. So I would repeat 3 or 4 times, & the mark on my neck never did get as dark as the one on my hand. The nodule started shrinking again almost immediately. Within 2 days there was a huge difference. I am trying to remember back to last year, when I first started reading up on iodine. I suddenly realized that I was using a lot of topical Lugol's while I waited for my Iodoral to arrive, & continued for a little while, but gradually phased out the Lugol's as I increased my dose of Iodoral. (It seemed redundant, & the Lugol's can be messy...) But the message from my nodule seems to be that I should continue direct Lugol's application, along with Iodoral. Has anybody else found this to be the case? This also raises the issue of whether this is going to make me start feeling too detoxy again. I've been kind of an emotional weinie all my life (just ask my sister -- she'll tell you!), & I have rather a lot to cope with at the moment, so I don't need the emotional roller coaster of detoxing too fast. (And I just can't handle salt loading, so I don't want to make myself detox fast enough to need it!) But I had multiple indications of iodine deficiency when I started, & still have a way to go... This is going to sound stupid, but I look lousy in the mirror -- kind of haggard. I don't feel all that terrible. A bit emotional & anxious, but not sick. Except when I see myself in the mirror, it kind of scares me. I just don't look well, & I don't know what to make of it. (I was bragging to my aunt about how great iodine was making me feel, & she reamed me about what an idiot I was being. Hate to show up at Christmas looking like I'm at death's door...) Liver cleanse coming up shortly. Seems to be the next obvious step here. But I feel like I'm missing something. And meanwhile, this nodule is annoying the hell out of me! Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 Anne-- I'm a big fan of painting, we have heard many direct testimonies of thyroid, breast, and uterus problems responding to painting. Direct skin absorption avoids the time and losses that occur in the gut, and the iodine is absorbed directly down into the area of need-- there may be powers elicited in that process that are esp good for those areas. So follow your instinct and let that be your focus. I also hear you about hearing the need for a cleanse repeatedly from different sources in your life. Dr Lanphier has a protocol for the liver/gallbladder cleanse that she says is far easier on people than the gonzo standard one. You might want to consider checking out her website and engaging with it through her. http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/ She has also given a lot of very good information about cleansing here on this list-- you can try the search or I can send you what I've saved. -- >A lot of the stuff we do is kind of subtle -- very slight systemic >changes. You can't help but wonder sometimes if you are imagining things. >Good to know other people have the same experience. > >Years ago, my gynecologist told me I should start having regular >mammograms, because my breasts were large, & a tumor would be hard to >detect by feel. But the mammogram techs told me that my breasts were very > " dense, " so the films would also be hard to read. (Then I read about the >radiation, & I opted out!) Also, when I was about 18, I had a scare with a >lump in my breast which was probably a cyst. I had a minor accident where >my breast got bumped hard, & after that the lump was gone. But even after >testing showed no sign of the lump, I could still feel a slight >irregularity where the cyst had been. > >After a while on iodine, it felt like my breasts got softer somehow, & I >can no longer feel the irregularity where the cyst was... But the change >is pretty subtle... (I worry sometimes about being a hypochondriac, >because I spend so much time trying to tune in to my body!) > > >And yes, I am definitely to the point I don't talk much about my weird >alternative ideas. The last time my husband went to the doctor, he just >told them he was on a multi-vitamin, & they asked no more questions. I >think that is my new mantra. " I take a multi-vitamin, doctor. " They are >happy with that, & what they don't know won't hurt me. (I hope!) Of >course, I haven't gone to a doctor in a while, & don't have any >appointments pending. I've been injured enough. > > >As for the liver cleanse being the next step, I think my liver has been >unhappy for a long time. Years of supplements & better living have >improved the situation, but I think that is one of my weak areas. I parted >company with my gall bladder years ago, & they say that that means you >need a liver cleanse. Also, as an overweight person, weight loss was one >of the things I was hoping for from iodine, & instead I have gained a few >pounds -- which, on the list, is accepted to indicate a liver cleanse. I >have been avoiding it because it sounds unpleasant, & I kind of hoped the >liver would clean itself out if I gave it good stuff to work with. People >who have DONE liver cleanses tend to feel that it was worth it, because >they felt so much better after... > >I did a mini cleanse with the Ezymatic Therapy Complete Liver Cleanse >product, & lost 9 lbs., & felt better for a while. But then the weight >started creeping back -- which kind of suggested to me that a more >emphatic cleanse is probably a good idea. (In fact, over & over again in >my alternative studies, I have run up against the recommendation for a >liver cleanse -- in regard to allergies, in regard to fibroid tumors...) > >One of the reasons I stayed on 150 mg. of iodine for so long was because I >had so many related issues. (Th > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2010 Report Share Posted December 4, 2010 I've been collecting info on the cleanse. Unfortunately, you can't download courage.AnneOn Dec 4, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Baker wrote: Anne-- I'm a big fan of painting, we have heard many direct testimonies of thyroid, breast, and uterus problems responding to painting. Direct skin absorption avoids the time and losses that occur in the gut, and the iodine is absorbed directly down into the area of need-- there may be powers elicited in that process that are esp good for those areas. So follow your instinct and let that be your focus. I also hear you about hearing the need for a cleanse repeatedly from different sources in your life. Dr Lanphier has a protocol for the liver/gallbladder cleanse that she says is far easier on people than the gonzo standard one. You might want to consider checking out her website and engaging with it through her. http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/ She has also given a lot of very good information about cleansing here on this list-- you can try the search or I can send you what I've saved. -- >A lot of the stuff we do is kind of subtle -- very slight systemic >changes. You can't help but wonder sometimes if you are imagining things. >Good to know other people have the same experience. > >Years ago, my gynecologist told me I should start having regular >mammograms, because my breasts were large, & a tumor would be hard to >detect by feel. But the mammogram techs told me that my breasts were very >"dense," so the films would also be hard to read. (Then I read about the >radiation, & I opted out!) Also, when I was about 18, I had a scare with a >lump in my breast which was probably a cyst. I had a minor accident where >my breast got bumped hard, & after that the lump was gone. But even after >testing showed no sign of the lump, I could still feel a slight >irregularity where the cyst had been. > >After a while on iodine, it felt like my breasts got softer somehow, & I >can no longer feel the irregularity where the cyst was... But the change >is pretty subtle... (I worry sometimes about being a hypochondriac, >because I spend so much time trying to tune in to my body!) > > >And yes, I am definitely to the point I don't talk much about my weird >alternative ideas. The last time my husband went to the doctor, he just >told them he was on a multi-vitamin, & they asked no more questions. I >think that is my new mantra. "I take a multi-vitamin, doctor." They are >happy with that, & what they don't know won't hurt me. (I hope!) Of >course, I haven't gone to a doctor in a while, & don't have any >appointments pending. I've been injured enough. > > >As for the liver cleanse being the next step, I think my liver has been >unhappy for a long time. Years of supplements & better living have >improved the situation, but I think that is one of my weak areas. I parted >company with my gall bladder years ago, & they say that that means you >need a liver cleanse. Also, as an overweight person, weight loss was one >of the things I was hoping for from iodine, & instead I have gained a few >pounds -- which, on the list, is accepted to indicate a liver cleanse. I >have been avoiding it because it sounds unpleasant, & I kind of hoped the >liver would clean itself out if I gave it good stuff to work with. People >who have DONE liver cleanses tend to feel that it was worth it, because >they felt so much better after... > >I did a mini cleanse with the Ezymatic Therapy Complete Liver Cleanse >product, & lost 9 lbs., & felt better for a while. But then the weight >started creeping back -- which kind of suggested to me that a more >emphatic cleanse is probably a good idea. (In fact, over & over again in >my alternative studies, I have run up against the recommendation for a >liver cleanse -- in regard to allergies, in regard to fibroid tumors...) > >One of the reasons I stayed on 150 mg. of iodine for so long was because I >had so many related issues. (Th > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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