Re: Autoimmune System - TH1 vs TH2 Dominance

December 3, 2010

low dose naltrexone modulate the systemand brings in many cases the TH1 and TH2 in balance ,and can prevent the nextauto-immune

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Ziggy <sweflen@...> wrote:

I came across this information today which might be of interest to some. It's a transcript from a video by Dr. Geronimo, a doctor who trained under Dr. Kharrazian, author of " Why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my lab tests are normal? "

" An autoimmune condition occurs when one branch of the immune system over dominates another branch. This is called an either a Th1 or Th2 dominance. A dominant TH1 response means that the natural killer cells and cytotoxic t cells are responsible for attacking the body, while a TH2 dominance indicates that your bcells and antibodies are mounting the attack. A blood test is needed to find out which branch is dominant. Thus to treat an autoimmune disease, it is critical to find the dominant branch and to balance the seesaw by stimulating the other branch. For example, if a patient's autoimmune disease was TH1 dominant, treating it would require that we strengthen the Th2 side to balance out the immune system. If the patient were Th2 dominant, we would stimulate the Th1 side to regain balance. It's a pretty simple solution, but so many people suffer needlessly because the immune system has been ignored, until now.

This is where clinical nutrition and natural medicine comes into play. It is well documented in clinical research that Th1 stimulants are Echinacea, maitake mushrooms and golden seal to name a few. Th2 stimulators are caffeine, green tea, and grape seed extract. So in the example I gave in the previous slide, if a patient with an under functioning thyroid is TH1 dominant, then I would prescribe supplements containing caffeine, green tea, and grape seed extract to stimulate the TH2 side to regain balance. If they were TH2 dominant, then Echinacea, mushrooms, and golden seal would balance out their immune system. Since most people with autoimmune conditions have no idea which branch of their immune system is dominant, they can actually make their condition worse by taking over the counter immune boosters. Lets say for example you were Th1 dominant and you catch a cold. A friend tells you that Echinacea helped them so you take it yourself. Unknowingly you would be flaring up your already dominant Th1 response and cause even more destruction to your thyroid gland. Conversely, if you were Th2 dominant and you read on the internet that green tea, and grape seed extract could boost your immune system you would be flaring up your already dominant Th2 response and fire up an autoimmune attack to your thyroid. This can go on for years and years eventually shrinking your thyroid gland and slowing down your metabolism further. Meanwhile your medical doctor would interpret this as a need to increase the dosage of your thyroid hormones.

The immune system continues to get ignored and it turns into a bad cycle of even more medications to treat your symptoms instead of treating the underlying cause. By now I hope that you understand that the underlying cause of the symptoms of any autoimmune disease is due to an unbalanced immune system. Once the balance is restored, the flared up immune system is calmed down and the autoimmune attack is decreased from a raging fire to that of a single candle flame. It can never be stopped completely because once the autoimmune gene has turned on. There is no turn off switch. However, as a result of a balanced Th1, Th2 response the patient will experience an increase in their energy, mental clarity, better skin and weight loss. Most importantly they find that they no longer need their medication. With a balanced immune system in addition to dietary and lifestyle modifications, most patients can return to the quality of life they once new before their autoimmune disease developed.

This concludes my presentation. I hope that you learned something valuable today. If you know anyone who has an autoimmune condition, please forward this little video to them so that they too can get educateded and begin to make better decisions regarding their treatment. I would like to thank Dr. Datis Kharrazian and Dr. Sherry Tenpenny for teaching me what I am now sharing with you. Thank you, and be well. "

http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/182243/Hashi-patients--Are-you-TH1-or-TH2-dominant

I found it particularly interesting because today I saw a new practitioner who diagnosed me as TH1 Dominant. This is the first time that anyone has said I have autoimmune issues. He prescribed high dose ALA (600mg three times daily) and Leucostat (once daily) for my TH1 dominance. He also tested me for heavy metal and chemical toxicity and said while I was showing a reaction, it was a memory reaction and it wasn't likely I was still toxic, although my body was showing signs of oxidative stress (visible through a live blood analysis). The other good thing is he said my thyroid, liver and adrenals are all in good condition.

Ziggy

December 3, 2010

Please move this to the IodineOT Group. Thank you. Kathleen

Re: Autoimmune System - TH1 vs TH2 Dominance

low dose naltrexone modulate the systemand brings in many cases the TH1 and TH2 in balance ,and can prevent the nextauto-immune

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Ziggy <sweflen@...> wrote:

I came across this information today which might be of interest to some. It's a transcript from a video by Dr. Geronimo, a doctor who trained under Dr. Kharrazian, author of "Why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my lab tests are normal?""An autoimmune condition occurs when one branch of the immune system over dominates another branch. This is called an either a Th1 or Th2 dominance. A dominant TH1 response means that the natural killer cells and cytotoxic t cells are responsible for attacking the body, while a TH2 dominance indicates that your bcells and antibodies are mounting the attack. A blood test is needed to find out which branch is dominant. Thus to treat an autoimmune disease, it is critical to find the dominant branch and to balance the seesaw by stimulating the other branch. For example, if a patient's autoimmune disease was TH1 dominant, treating it would require that we strengthen the Th2 side to balance out the immune system. If the patient were Th2 dominant, we would stimulate the Th1 side to regain balance. It's a pretty simple solution, but so many people suffer needlessly because the immune system has been ignored, until now. This is where clinical nutrition and natural medicine comes into play. It is well documented in clinical research that Th1 stimulants are Echinacea, maitake mushrooms and golden seal to name a few. Th2 stimulators are caffeine, green tea, and grape seed extract. So in the example I gave in the previous slide, if a patient with an under functioning thyroid is TH1 dominant, then I would prescribe supplements containing caffeine, green tea, and grape seed extract to stimulate the TH2 side to regain balance. If they were TH2 dominant, then Echinacea, mushrooms, and golden seal would balance out their immune system. Since most people with autoimmune conditions have no idea which branch of their immune system is dominant, they can actually make their condition worse by taking over the counter immune boosters. Lets say for example you were Th1 dominant and you catch a cold. A friend tells you that Echinacea helped them so you take it yourself. Unknowingly you would be flaring up your already dominant Th1 response and cause even more destruction to your thyroid gland. Conversely, if you were Th2 dominant and you read on the internet that green tea, and grape seed extract could boost your immune system you would be flaring up your already dominant Th2 response and fire up an autoimmune attack to your thyroid. This can go on for years and years eventually shrinking your thyroid gland and slowing down your metabolism further. Meanwhile your medical doctor would interpret this as a need to increase the dosage of your thyroid hormones. The immune system continues to get ignored and it turns into a bad cycle of even more medications to treat your symptoms instead of treating the underlying cause. By now I hope that you understand that the underlying cause of the symptoms of any autoimmune disease is due to an unbalanced immune system. Once the balance is restored, the flared up immune system is calmed down and the autoimmune attack is decreased from a raging fire to that of a single candle flame. It can never be stopped completely because once the autoimmune gene has turned on. There is no turn off switch. However, as a result of a balanced Th1, Th2 response the patient will experience an increase in their energy, mental clarity, better skin and weight loss. Most importantly they find that they no longer need their medication. With a balanced immune system in addition to dietary and lifestyle modifications, most patients can return to the quality of life they once new before their autoimmune disease developed. This concludes my presentation. I hope that you learned something valuable today. If you know anyone who has an autoimmune condition, please forward this little video to them so that they too can get educateded and begin to make better decisions regarding their treatment. I would like to thank Dr. Datis Kharrazian and Dr. Sherry Tenpenny for teaching me what I am now sharing with you. Thank you, and be well." http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/182243/Hashi-patients--Are-you-TH1-or-TH2-dominantI found it particularly interesting because today I saw a new practitioner who diagnosed me as TH1 Dominant. This is the first time that anyone has said I have autoimmune issues. He prescribed high dose ALA (600mg three times daily) and Leucostat (once daily) for my TH1 dominance. He also tested me for heavy metal and chemical toxicity and said while I was showing a reaction, it was a memory reaction and it wasn't likely I was still toxic, although my body was showing signs of oxidative stress (visible through a live blood analysis). The other good thing is he said my thyroid, liver and adrenals are all in good condition. Ziggy

December 4, 2010

Ziggy wrote: < I came across this information today which might be of interest to some> What is Bidirectionality in Herbology?http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4994 & title=what-is-bidirectionality-in-herbology Spongia Tosta http://www.herbs2000.com/homeopathy/spongia.htm Sponge was a familiar substance since time immemorial, but it only attained reputation for its

medicinal properties in the 14th century. In the initial stages, sponge was used to treat goiter (an enlargement of the thyroid gland) caused due to a dearth of iodine content in the body. Nevertheless, it took another 500 years for scientists and researchers to establish the fact that sponge enclosed considerable quantities of bromine and iodine. Hence, it is not difficult to understand why sponge is used to treat conditions, such as goiter as well as thyroid problems...... It exhibits bidirectionality. I use Spongia Tosta Mother Tincture and its dilution 1: 10 in my medical practice. Lugol's Iodine and Potassium iodide are not readily available in most of the pharmacies in Malaysia

< "Why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my lab tests are normal?" > http://www.tuberose.com/Minerals.html Our physical well-being is more directly dependent upon the

minerals we take into our systems than upon calories or vitamins, or upon the precise proportion of starch, protein or carbohydrates we consume. The real key to understanding health is the ratios between different minerals. The normal levels for each of these minerals are expressed in milligrams/percent. The normal level for calcium is 40, magnesium is 6, sodium is 25, and potassium is 10. If you add one zero to each of the numbers, you will get a figure representing parts per million. So the 40 for calcium represents a certain percentage of calcium which appears in the tissue cells of the body. The real key to understanding minerals and their effect on human health does not lie merely in evaluating individual mineral levels. Mineral levels can certainly help to give a tremendous amount of information about a person's energy levels. However, looking at individual levels can be deceiving if you look at

them just by themselves. Calcium and potassium ratios are called the thyroid ratio. Calcium and potassium are the two specific minerals that regulate the thyroid gland. Calcium slows down the thyroid and potassium speeds it up. In order for this gland to operate at its maximum capacity, there has to be just the right balance between these two minerals. If a person has too much calcium in his tissues (in proportion to potassium) he will have an underactive thyroid gland. If he has an excess of potassium in his tissues (in proportion to calcium) he will have an overactive thyroid gland. This is why once you know the ratio of calcium to potassium in the body you know immediately if this gland is too fast or too slow. And not only that, but you will know exactly how fast or slow it is. The normal value of the calcium to potassium ratio is 4. You get that by looking at the normal values for calcium and potassium,

where calcium is 40 and potassium is 10. 40 divided by 10 is 4. If a person has a ratio of 4 to 1 between these two minerals, the thyroid gland will be functioning at peak capacity, assuming that the levels for these two minerals are also near normal. By comparing a person's actual ratio with the normal ratio, you can tell if the thyroid gland is underactive or overactive. And once you know this, you will know approximately how much energy a person has. If a person has a thyroid ration (calcium to potassium ratio) which is greater than 4.7, his thyroid gland is underactive. The greater this ratio is between these two minerals, the weaker this gland will become and the less energy a person will have. It is impossible to have a poor thyroid ratio and still have an efficient thyroid gland. Even a 10% loss of efficiency can cause fatigue. Ten percent doesn't sound like a big number, but it is. If the average lifespan of

70 or so years were cut 10%, that would be a loss of 7 years. That's quite significant. If your average body temperature of 98.6 degrees were cut 10%, that would be a temperature of almost 9 degrees lower, which is a big difference. If the temperature went up 10%, that would be a temperature of almost 110 degrees, which for many people would mean death. So you can see that 10% in biological terms can be a pretty significant number. These mineral ratios are amazingly accurate. A person can have normal levels of thyroid hormone in his blood and still have a weak thyroid gland. The routine test for thyroid function is not very reliable. This test basically measures the levels of a number of thyroxin proteins in the blood. But many doctors fail to understand that a person can have normal levels of thyroxin (thyroid hormone) in the blood and still have a weak thyroid gland. Or, because of mineral imbalances the thyroxin may just be circulating around without

being fully effective. So, in many cases, the doctor may be drawing false conclusions from the test. A hair analysis gives a more accurate measure of the function of the thyroid. Minerals http://www.tuberose.com/Minerals.htmlWith regards LewFrom: Ziggy <sweflen@...>iodine Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 2:24:23 PMSubject: Autoimmune System - TH1 vs TH2 Dominance

I came across this information today which might be of interest to some. It's a transcript from a video by Dr. Geronimo, a doctor who trained under Dr. Kharrazian, author of "Why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my lab tests are normal?"

"An autoimmune condition occurs when one branch of the immune system over dominates another branch. This is called an either a Th1 or Th2 dominance. A dominant TH1 response means that the natural killer cells and cytotoxic t cells are responsible for attacking the body, while a TH2 dominance indicates that your bcells and antibodies are mounting the attack. A blood test is needed to find out which branch is dominant. Thus to treat an autoimmune disease, it is critical to find the dominant branch and to balance the seesaw by stimulating the other branch. For example, if a patient's autoimmune disease was TH1 dominant, treating it would require that we strengthen the Th2 side to balance out the immune system. If the patient were Th2 dominant, we would stimulate the Th1 side to regain balance. It's a pretty simple solution, but so many people suffer needlessly because the immune system has been ignored, until now.

This is where clinical nutrition and natural medicine comes into play. It is well documented in clinical research that Th1 stimulants are Echinacea, maitake mushrooms and golden seal to name a few. Th2 stimulators are caffeine, green tea, and grape seed extract. So in the example I gave in the previous slide, if a patient with an under functioning thyroid is TH1 dominant, then I would prescribe supplements containing caffeine, green tea, and grape seed extract to stimulate the TH2 side to regain balance. If they were TH2 dominant, then Echinacea, mushrooms, and golden seal would balance out their immune system. Since most people with autoimmune conditions have no idea which branch of their immune system is dominant, they can actually make their condition worse by taking over the counter immune boosters. Lets say for example you were Th1 dominant and you catch a cold. A friend tells you that Echinacea helped them so you take it yourself. Unknowingly you

would be flaring up your already dominant Th1 response and cause even more destruction to your thyroid gland. Conversely, if you were Th2 dominant and you read on the internet that green tea, and grape seed extract could boost your immune system you would be flaring up your already dominant Th2 response and fire up an autoimmune attack to your thyroid. This can go on for years and years eventually shrinking your thyroid gland and slowing down your metabolism further. Meanwhile your medical doctor would interpret this as a need to increase the dosage of your thyroid hormones.

The immune system continues to get ignored and it turns into a bad cycle of even more medications to treat your symptoms instead of treating the underlying cause.

By now I hope that you understand that the underlying cause of the symptoms of any autoimmune disease is due to an unbalanced immune system. Once the balance is restored, the flared up immune system is calmed down and the autoimmune attack is decreased from a raging fire to that of a single candle flame. It can never be stopped completely because once the autoimmune gene has turned on. There is no turn off switch. However, as a result of a balanced Th1, Th2 response the patient will experience an increase in their energy, mental clarity, better skin and weight loss. Most importantly they find that they no longer need their medication. With a balanced immune system in addition to dietary and lifestyle modifications, most patients can return to the quality of life they once new before their autoimmune disease developed.

This concludes my presentation. I hope that you learned something valuable today. If you know anyone who has an autoimmune condition, please forward this little video to them so that they too can get educateded and begin to make better decisions regarding their treatment. I would like to thank Dr. Datis Kharrazian and Dr. Sherry Tenpenny for teaching me what I am now sharing with you. Thank you, and be well."

http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/182243/Hashi-patients--Are-you-TH1-or-TH2-dominant

I found it particularly interesting because today I saw a new practitioner who diagnosed me as TH1 Dominant. This is the first time that anyone has said I have autoimmune issues. He prescribed high dose ALA (600mg three times daily) and Leucostat (once daily) for my TH1 dominance. He also tested me for heavy metal and chemical toxicity and said while I was showing a reaction, it was a memory reaction and it wasn't likely I was still toxic, although my body was showing signs of oxidative stress (visible through a live blood analysis). The other good thing is he said my thyroid, liver and adrenals are all in good condition.

Ziggy

December 4, 2010

Can anyone see in the text below what levels of Ca/K? Is it serum, extracellular or what?And supposing the ratio is off kilter (my father's drug regime renders him hypokalemic and hypocalcemic), is the iodine supplementation going to do any good?? < I came across this information today which might be of interest to some> What is Bidirectionality in Herbology?http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4994 & title=what-is-bidirectionality-in-herbology Spongia Tosta http://www.herbs2000.com/homeopathy/spongia.htm Sponge was a familiar substance since time immemorial, but it only attained reputation

for its

medicinal properties in the 14th century. In the initial stages, sponge was used to treat goiter (an enlargement of the thyroid gland) caused due to a dearth of iodine content in the body. Nevertheless, it took another 500 years for scientists and researchers to establish the fact that sponge enclosed considerable quantities of bromine and iodine. Hence, it is not difficult to understand why sponge is used to treat conditions, such as goiter as well as thyroid problems...... It exhibits bidirectionality. I use Spongia Tosta Mother Tincture and its dilution 1: 10 in my medical practice. Lugol's Iodine and Potassium iodide are not readily available in most of the pharmacies in Malaysia

< "Why do I still have thyroid symptoms when my lab tests are normal?" > http://www.tuberose.com/Minerals.html Our physical well-being is more directly

dependent upon the