Re: RT3 is a liver problem?

[Guest guest]

It's how Dr. Brownstein (my Dr) treats RT3. He uses Dr. Cabott's liver cleans program. You can go to www.liverdoctor.com (I think that's the website). He does not treat with T3 only as many doctors do. FT4 is converted to FT3 in the liver and kidneys. So when they become toxic conversion goes haywire. RT3 is a protective mechanism. I have high RT3 and this is how we are treating it - through diet and liver cleansing with his TLC product www.purezenhealth.com

RT3 is a liver problem?

Can you tell me where I can read more about this please? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

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So glad I caught this post. I was wondering how this group worked with RT3.

Last summer I went through the whole high T3 doeses to clear RT3. I did feel

better and my adrenals seemed much better. But going to liver is going much

more to the root of the problem. My honey and I are doing this together (both

have adrenal/hypo/RT3) issues. Since I started Iodine and got up to 1 tablet of

Ioderal I couldn't tolerate ANY T3 at all. I kept decreasing T3 to get my heart

rate down and finally got to none then it was 48 hours and my heart resumed its

normal rate. I wasn't sure if this was due to RT3 or just my body saying 'all I

want is iodine - not T3'. I felt depressed and getting worse and hypo at

18.75mg Iodoral then I bumped it up to 31.25mg and depression lifted. Today is

day 6 and I only had one day of detox that salt loading remedied. So I'm off

thyroid and continuing with Iodine.

I also pulled up purezenhealth.com to check TLC products. I have a good feeling

about Dr. Brownstien's products since I've completely related to his 3 books

that I bought.

We have done ALOT of liver cleansin/flushes/detoxes over the last 1.5 years and

very regular coffee enemas. We have used Dr. Schultze's (sp) liver protocols.

Interestingly with all this we both still had RT3. My guess is that there is

something we are missing . . . .

But I've been wondering what the next step is to rectify RT3. Do you know what

would be considered RT3 according to Lab tests? Or better yet what would I be

lookin for to see where we are at regarding RT3 and lab work. Does Dr. B use

the standard calculation of RT3/FT3 and look for a number of 20 or greater to

indicate healthy levels.

Sorry so long - lastly I see Dr. B has pregnenalone product. I was thinking of

trying this to further support my adrenals and help with hormone balancing. I'm

currently using bio prog/est.

Thanks so much

Sage

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> It's how Dr. Brownstein (my Dr) treats RT3. He uses Dr. Cabott's liver

cleans program. You can go to www.liverdoctor.com (I think that's the website).

He does not treat with T3 only as many doctors do. FT4 is converted to FT3 in

the liver and kidneys. So when they become toxic conversion goes haywire. RT3

is a protective mechanism. I have high RT3 and this is how we are treating it -

through diet and liver cleansing with his TLC product www.purezenhealth.com

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[Guest guest]

, what do you think of the theory that if you have high reverse T3 and keep taking iodine, the iodine will keep your body producing T4 which will continue to convert to RT3 (as well as T3) thus preventing your body from clearing the Reverse T3?

Have you been able to clear your Reverse T3 through iodine, diet and liver cleansing?   How long did it take?On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:45 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

 

It's how Dr. Brownstein (my Dr) treats RT3.  He uses Dr. Cabott's liver cleans program.  You can go to www.liverdoctor.com (I think that's the website).  He does not treat with T3 only as many doctors do.  FT4 is converted to FT3 in the liver and kidneys.  So when they become toxic conversion goes haywire.  RT3 is a protective mechanism.  I have high RT3 and this is how we are treating it - through diet and liver cleansing with his TLC product www.purezenhealth.com

 

[Guest guest]

I am an odd duck. I have RT3 without a thyroid so there is no producing T4 for me. I have lowered my RT3 through this protocol. I have to re-test again to see how I am doing.

I do not subscribe to that theory though. I think that toxicity is at the root. Why else do those who have RT3 and use T3 only continue to have issues over and over?

Steph

Re: RT3 is a liver problem?

, what do you think of the theory that if you have high reverse T3 and keep taking iodine, the iodine will keep your body producing T4 which will continue to convert to RT3 (as well as T3) thus preventing your body from clearing the Reverse T3?Have you been able to clear your Reverse T3 through iodine, diet and liver cleansing? How long did it take?

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:45 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

It's how Dr. Brownstein (my Dr) treats RT3. He uses Dr. Cabott's liver cleans program. You can go to www.liverdoctor.com (I think that's the website). He does not treat with T3 only as many doctors do. FT4 is converted to FT3 in the liver and kidneys. So when they become toxic conversion goes haywire. RT3 is a protective mechanism. I have high RT3 and this is how we are treating it - through diet and liver cleansing with his TLC product www.purezenhealth.com

[Guest guest]

I was under the impression that for most people, if their adrenals and iron are ok, they can take T3 only for about 12 weeks and then the Reverse T3 clears and their symptoms clear, unless e.g. they have adrenal problems or low iron which stop them tolerating the T3.    And then some no longer need medication, some go back to NDT and some stay on T3 alone.   

Taking T3 alone is the only thing that has gone a long way to clearing my symptoms so far, but I'm only 6 weeks in.    I still have some symptoms but my energy is so good now, and other symptoms such as dry skin and peripheral neuropathy have improved to the extent that even if this is as good as I ever got I'd be pretty happy.     I had normal TSH, T4 and T3 but very high Reverse T3 and Hashimoto's antibodies and very strong hypo symptoms.

I'm wondering if I'd get rid of the rest of the Reverse T3 more quickly if I stop the iodine for now, e.g. so that I don't have extra T4 converting to Reverse T3 while I'm trying to clear it.I'm going to get my iodine levels tested again to see if they've improved.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 9:40 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

 

I am an odd duck.  I have RT3 without a thyroid so there is no producing T4 for me.  I have lowered my RT3 through this protocol.  I have to re-test again to see how I am doing.

 

I do not subscribe to that theory though.  I think that toxicity is at the root.  Why else do those who have RT3 and use T3 only continue to have issues over and over?

 

Steph

 

 

Re: RT3 is a liver problem?

 

, what do you think of the theory that if you have high reverse T3 and keep taking iodine, the iodine will keep your body producing T4 which will continue to convert to RT3 (as well as T3) thus preventing your body from clearing the Reverse T3?Have you been able to clear your Reverse T3 through iodine, diet and liver cleansing?   How long did it take?

[Guest guest]

Who's to say if you do have extra T4 converting???? I am not aware of any research to back that up. Iodine when supplied in high enough doses will create iodolipids that put the brakes on the hormone creation process when not needed. Maybe your iodine dose is too low. Since this is your first round (or sounds like it is) of T3 only I would be interested to see if you have a repeat issue with RT3 after clearing it and returning to another option like desiccated thyroid.

Steph

Re: RT3 is a liver problem?

, what do you think of the theory that if you have high reverse T3 and keep taking iodine, the iodine will keep your body producing T4 which will continue to convert to RT3 (as well as T3) thus preventing your body from clearing the Reverse T3?Have you been able to clear your Reverse T3 through iodine, diet and liver cleansing? How long did it take?

[Guest guest]

I guess I was thinking I'd just stay on T3 for a while, then try lowering it and going off it to see what happens, but if Reverse T3 starts building up again, then just staying on it.    It seems like my body doesn't have a problem making T4, it's that it was converting to Reverse T3 and blocking the T3 from working that was the problem.    And I was under a lot of stress during that period, so I'm hoping that now that the stress is mostly gone that once I clear the Reverse T3, I may not continue to keep producing it.

I've got up to 75mg with iodine but have never noticed a difference.    I had detox symptoms the first couple of times I tried it, and have put on some weight with it, but I no longer have detox symptoms which is good.    I want to do a liver cleanse to see if that shifts the weight, but then I get confused with should I do the kidney and colon cleanse first, like some people recommend, and would it all be hard on my low adrenal function - and then I end up doing nothing.    Plus I guess now that I'm feeling good the impetus has kind of gone, and I'm hoping when I clear the Reverse T3 that my weight will drop.   

I'd still like to do a cleanse though, if I could work out the best way, and if it's not going to be hard on my adrenals, just don't want to muck around with anything too much while I seem to be improving so much.    I'd wonder if some of the improvement was due to the iodine, but it did happen one week after beginning T3 and the improvements have continued with each raise.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:39 AM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

 

Who's to say if you do have extra T4 converting???? I am not aware of any research to back that up.  Iodine when supplied in high enough doses will create iodolipids that put the brakes on the hormone creation process when not needed.  Maybe your iodine dose is too low.  Since this is your first round (or sounds like it is) of T3 only I would be interested to see if you have a repeat issue with RT3 after clearing it and returning to another option like desiccated thyroid.

 

Steph

 

Re: RT3 is a liver problem?

 

, what do you think of the theory that if you have high reverse T3 and keep taking iodine, the iodine will keep your body producing T4 which will continue to convert to RT3 (as well as T3) thus preventing your body from clearing the Reverse T3?Have you been able to clear your Reverse T3 through iodine, diet and liver cleansing?   How long did it take?