vitamin D and iodine relationship

[Guest guest]

Has anyone found a correlation between Vitamin D and iodine levels? I know of

two women who are hypothyroid and can't get their vitamin D levels up. One of

them is taking high amounts of calcium and Vitamin D but I'm wondering if she

might be overdosing. I posted an article by Vickery who mentions bromine and

vitamin D in the same paragraph, that when he treated his patients for bromine,

their vitamin D levels went down. They were fine before treatment. This

doesn't fit into the 'puzzle' very well but it has certainly peeked my interest.

What if this vitamin D deficiency that the doctors are so concerned about now is

caused by an iodine deficiency? It seems like the timeline is right. I read

that vitamin E can help make vitamin D 'stick'.

Thanks,

Joan

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: joan.lulich

Has anyone found a correlation between Vitamin D and iodine levels?

----Yes. Below is an article on this.

I know of two women who are hypothyroid and can't get their vitamin D levels

up.

---- Taking vit d3? How much? 400mcg will do little.

One of them is taking high amounts of calcium and Vitamin D but I'm

wondering if she might be overdosing.

--- Quite possible as calcium is much better utilized with good levels of

vit D.

I posted an article by Vickery who mentions bromine and vitamin D in the

same paragraph, that when he treated his patients for bromine, their vitamin

D levels went down. They were fine before treatment. This doesn't fit into

the 'puzzle' very well but it has certainly peeked my interest.

----The iodine is affecting D levels.

What if this vitamin D deficiency that the doctors are so concerned about

now is caused by an iodine deficiency?

----The only source biologically of D is the sun or supplements.

It seems like the timeline is right. I read that vitamin E can help make

vitamin D 'stick'.

-----At the moment I haven't looked into this, but is interesting..

On the vitamin D issue, below is quotes from an article by Drs. Abraham and

Flechas;

" ...A decrease in serum 25-OH-[D.sub.3] could be due to either decreased

synthesis by the liver from vitamin D or increased metabolism of

25-OH-[D.sub.3] to calcitriol by target cells such as the kidney and other

organs possessing 1-hydroxydase activity for 25-OH-[D.sub.3]...

Based on whole body sufficiency for iodine, the US population is severely

deficient in this essential element, requiring at least 100 times the RDA to

achieve sufficiency. (5,9,20,21) If iodine plays a role in vitamin D

metabolism and has a modulating effect on target organ response to

calcitriol, the normal range of serum 25-OH-[D.sub.3] would need

re-evaluation in whole body iodine sufficient individuals. Vitamin D is

essentially a steroid and iodine affects receptor responsiveness to

estrogens and other steroids...

Standardizing the levels of serum 25-OH-[D.sub.3] would require a careful

screening of subjects participating in this standardization program.

Ideally, these subjects should be supplied with adequate amount of magnesium

and iodine to achieve whole body sufficiency for these two important

nutrients. Magnesium deficiency is common in the US population as well as

the rest of the world. (25-28) Red blood cell (RBC) magnesium levels were

below the normal range in all nine normally menstruating pre-menopausal

American women evaluated by one of the authors (GEA) 25 years ago. (29)

Vitamin [b.sub.6], at an oral daily dose of 200 mg in these nine women

increased markedly the RBC magnesium with mean values more than twice the

baseline levels. The B vitamins require phosphorilation to become

biologically active and magnesium is required for this phosphorilation.... "

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_1_15/ai_n25152241/pg_5/

Page 5 of a ten page article;

Bruce

[Guest guest]

On the below, this is a concern on too much calcium. Better would be for a

term to drop the ca and take magnesium instead,

The goal would be a ballance but likely has high ca/low mg right now.

So mg for a while alone would be better unless dr has indicated ca

deficiency but that is unlikely.

..

For D, if one is in a winter zone, 2,000iu should be a safe minumum with the

goal of blood test for level.

I take 4,000iu after several months of sunbathing (before september) and

have blood level of 85ng/ml.

Everyone is different, but is an indication.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: joan.lulich

.... I know of two women who are hypothyroid and can't get their vitamin D

levels up. One of them is taking high amounts of calcium and Vitamin D but

I'm wondering if she might be overdosing.

[Guest guest]

Ooohh, something I can sink my teeth into:)

Thank you, Bruce:)

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Bruce P wrote:

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: joan.lulich

>

> Has anyone found a correlation between Vitamin D and iodine levels?

> ----Yes. Below is an article on this.

>

> I know of two women who are hypothyroid and can't get their vitamin D

> levels

> up.

[Guest guest]

It all gets complicated. Vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, & K2 all work together, so a shortage of one can affect the way the rest are utilized.I hadn't heard that about E, though I wouldn't be too surprised.AnneOn Jan 25, 2010, at 5:24 PM, joan.lulich wrote: Has anyone found a correlation between Vitamin D and iodine levels? I know of two women who are hypothyroid and can't get their vitamin D levels up. One of them is taking high amounts of calcium and Vitamin D but I'm wondering if she might be overdosing. I posted an article by Vickery who mentions bromine and vitamin D in the same paragraph, that when he treated his patients for bromine, their vitamin D levels went down. They were fine before treatment. This doesn't fit into the 'puzzle' very well but it has certainly peeked my interest. What if this vitamin D deficiency that the doctors are so concerned about now is caused by an iodine deficiency? It seems like the timeline is right. I read that vitamin E can help make vitamin D 'stick'. Thanks, Joan

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting to me. My vitamin D plummeted following a chelation

for mercury and arsenic. They began to climb steadily back with

supplementation, but it seems every time I try to take Iodoral (50mg), it

effects my vitamin D, estrogen, and my thyroid (FT3 and FT4 decrease

substantially). I've stopped the Iodoral, and my Vitamin D is back to 7 68, my

thyroid numbers are improving, and estrogen is lagging behind. My vitamin D

levels would not budge while I was taking Iodoral. So what is the answer?

BTW, I take between 600 - 800 mg of LEF magnesium citrate daily.

(different one)

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: joan.lulich

>

> Has anyone found a correlation between Vitamin D and iodine levels?

> ----Yes. Below is an article on this.

>

> I know of two women who are hypothyroid and can't get their vitamin D levels

> up.

> ---- Taking vit d3? How much? 400mcg will do little.

>

> One of them is taking high amounts of calcium and Vitamin D but I'm

> wondering if she might be overdosing.

> --- Quite possible as calcium is much better utilized with good levels of

> vit D.

>

> I posted an article by Vickery who mentions bromine and vitamin D in the

> same paragraph, that when he treated his patients for bromine, their vitamin

> D levels went down. They were fine before treatment. This doesn't fit into

> the 'puzzle' very well but it has certainly peeked my interest.

> ----The iodine is affecting D levels.

>

> What if this vitamin D deficiency that the doctors are so concerned about

> now is caused by an iodine deficiency?

> ----The only source biologically of D is the sun or supplements.

>

> It seems like the timeline is right. I read that vitamin E can help make

> vitamin D 'stick'.

> -----At the moment I haven't looked into this, but is interesting..

>

> On the vitamin D issue, below is quotes from an article by Drs. Abraham and

> Flechas;

>

> " ...A decrease in serum 25-OH-[D.sub.3] could be due to either decreased

> synthesis by the liver from vitamin D or increased metabolism of

> 25-OH-[D.sub.3] to calcitriol by target cells such as the kidney and other

> organs possessing 1-hydroxydase activity for 25-OH-[D.sub.3]...

>

> Based on whole body sufficiency for iodine, the US population is severely

> deficient in this essential element, requiring at least 100 times the RDA to

> achieve sufficiency. (5,9,20,21) If iodine plays a role in vitamin D

> metabolism and has a modulating effect on target organ response to

> calcitriol, the normal range of serum 25-OH-[D.sub.3] would need

> re-evaluation in whole body iodine sufficient individuals. Vitamin D is

> essentially a steroid and iodine affects receptor responsiveness to

> estrogens and other steroids...

>

> Standardizing the levels of serum 25-OH-[D.sub.3] would require a careful

> screening of subjects participating in this standardization program.

> Ideally, these subjects should be supplied with adequate amount of magnesium

> and iodine to achieve whole body sufficiency for these two important

> nutrients. Magnesium deficiency is common in the US population as well as

> the rest of the world. (25-28) Red blood cell (RBC) magnesium levels were

> below the normal range in all nine normally menstruating pre-menopausal

> American women evaluated by one of the authors (GEA) 25 years ago. (29)

> Vitamin [b.sub.6], at an oral daily dose of 200 mg in these nine women

> increased markedly the RBC magnesium with mean values more than twice the

> baseline levels. The B vitamins require phosphorilation to become

> biologically active and magnesium is required for this phosphorilation.... "

> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDL/is_1_15/ai_n25152241/pg_5/

>

> Page 5 of a ten page article;

>

> Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

Oops, typo on the Vit D level. That is 68 not 768!

>

> This is very interesting to me. My vitamin D plummeted following a chelation

for mercury and arsenic. They began to climb steadily back with

supplementation, but it seems every time I try to take Iodoral (50mg), it

effects my vitamin D, estrogen, and my thyroid (FT3 and FT4 decrease

substantially). I've stopped the Iodoral, and my Vitamin D is back to 7 68, my

thyroid numbers are improving, and estrogen is lagging behind. My vitamin D

levels would not budge while I was taking Iodoral. So what is the answer?

>

> BTW, I take between 600 - 800 mg of LEF magnesium citrate daily.

>

> (different one)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, My D3 levels were very low prior to going on the iodine protocol a year

ago. I started supplementing at 2OOOiu and am now taking 8OOOiu. Throughout

the year my levels went up and down in the low range. Just had new labs and I

am nearly optimal on Vit D3 after going through one of my longest iodine detoxes

which lasted around 6 weeks.

Swings and roundabouts at the moment as I am now anemic (again) even though I

have been supplementing with ferritin for the last 2 months.

:-)

Just wondering whether I should be testing for celiac