Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 I took Thyrolar (T3 and T4 only) for many years. It seemed to work better than Armour thyroid. When Thyrolar was taken off the market, I switched to Armour and gained about 25 pounds.Does anyone know why this might happen?I have heard that over the counter desiccated thyroid has no T3 and T4. It seems that it might make sense to supplement Thyrolar with such a product in order to add T1, T2, and possibly unknown advantageous factors that are not contained in Thyrolar, without changing the T3 and T4.Does anyone have any relevant ideas, understanding, or experience concerning this approach?Does anyone have a brand recommendation for desiccated thyroid without T3 and T4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Are you able to buy this without a scrip? Bonnie Re: Desiccated thyroid > Nutri Meds porcine thyroid has all the hormones. > They take the thyroid gland flash freeze it and > grind it into powder they don't add anything or > take anything out, at at least that's what the > company's owner says.The OTC glandulars just > aren't concentrated and standardized like the > prescription NDT. And some of them take out the > T4 some way or other. But for an OTC product, the > Nutri Meds thyroid product does a pretty good job. > Although for some people supplementing with Iodine > seems to take up the slack very well. > > > Bethann > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge " > ~ Hawking > > all.sunshine wrote: >> I took Thyrolar (T3 and T4 only) for many years. It seemed to work >> better than Armour thyroid. When Thyrolar was taken off the market, I >> switched to Armour and gained about 25 pounds. >> >> *Does anyone know why this might happen?* >> >> I have heard that over the counter desiccated thyroid has no T3 and T4. >> It seems that it might make sense to supplement Thyrolar with such a >> product in order to add T1, T2, and possibly unknown advantageous >> factors that are not contained in Thyrolar, without changing the T3 and >> T4. >> * >> Does anyone have any relevant ideas, understanding, or experience >> concerning this approach? >> >> Does anyone have a brand recommendation for desiccated thyroid without >> T3 and T4? * >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/ > > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Thanks, Bethann. You've given me a lot of info to consider. I do think I'm " menopausal, " despite my doctor saying my estrogen levels are " normal. " My period, in January, was basically non-existent. I spotted a little on my TP, for a day, and that was it. And I had a month, last year, that was that way, too. Then Feb's was the usual 3-4 days. Then this month, it was 3 days exactly. I did't even have the usual " trail-off, " which is just a little spotting on the TP. It just quit, altogether, after the 3 days. And it was lighter than last month. So I tend to think the doc is wrong on me not being " menopausal. " And the way that my emotions are so " out of whack. " And I seem to get these weird symptoms right AFTER my period. That seems to point to menopause, to me. It wouldn't be hypothyroid. That would be all the time, not just a few days a month. But I know the two conditions are so similar to each other. From what I have read on the web, a LOT of the symptoms for thyroid and menopause overlap each other. I haven't had any " hot flashes, " but I think I've had a couple of light " night sweats. " Twice I've woke up with the top of my gown a little damp, like I sweated (right word?) a little, during the night. The symptom that gets me the most is when I'll feel suddenly really tired, like all my energy just suddenly went through the floor. It did that about a week ago, right after my period ended. Then I had it again for the next 2-3 days. Now, I'm not getting the tiredness in the afternoon, but I'm still getting the " weepies. " And the full and bloated feeling after eating maybe half of my " brunch. " I'm talking like half of a cucumber, a few strawberries, and a small chicken thigh. Sometimes I just get in a few bites, and have to stop for awhile. Then I sometimes get these " headaches " in the back of my head. Sometimes, it has felt like I had a ton of water built up in the back of my head. But a couple nights ago, it was just a feeling of " pressure " back there, and it lasted most of the evening. I don't get headaches, so it was very weird for me to have that. And worrisome, 'cause I don't know what caused it. Now, I know sometimes people will get weird symptoms when first starting on a drug. So maybe it was the thyroid pill causing it. I don't know. I also had a weird sensation of " numbness " in my L foot, the other night, and that was very scary, too. But it went away, after I got done with dinner and sat back down, and hasn't been back. Maybe these are " detox " symptoms? As the T4 pill is having an effect on my thyroid? Sometimes, I wish I could just go back to being " blissfully ignorant, " like I used to be, before I started learning all about health and nutrition. Now, some days, I feel like there's too much to watch out for in our food, and too many things to take supplements for. Some days, I get to feeling so overwhelmed by everything, especially when I'm not feeling good, in the middle of the day. It's weird how it's usually only in the afternoon that I feel the worst, after eating my first bites of food. I don't have trouble at dinnertime, or afterward. Then I'm fine, thank goodness. I've dropped over 90 lbs this past year, and I feel like I've messed myself up, sometimes, and that's why I'm having so much trouble. I don't regret dropping the weight. I still have another 100 to go, but am taking a " break, " right now, while I try to get things figured out. Then I'll " start up " again, and work on taking off more. My weight is holding exactly where it should be, staying within about a half a lb, usually, each day. I hate having to take a " break, " but I'm ok with it, right now, with all this " weirdness " going on. And I feel a lot better than I used to, 3 years ago, when I was over 135 lbs heavier, and decided to change everything. And I'm definitely enjoying the 90 lbs I took off this past year. So I'm ok with " holding " for awhile. But I sure want to get these weird symptoms figured out before I start going down again. So, while I hate having to take the thyroid pill again, I'm ok with it, for awhile, as long as it doesn't cause any adverse symptoms. But I do plan to continue looking into the benefits of dessicated thyroid, and iodine. So, if you, or anyone else, have any other ideas, I'm all " ears, " so to speak. Oh, and sorry this got so long, again. I can type as fast as I can think, so it's easy to get " carried away, " sort of. Thanks for reading. Cryss > > > > > > I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all > > > different, and we all respond to things > > > differently, so I'd recommend a little > > > experimenting to see what works for you > > > specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex > > > plus, one in the morning and one at noon to > > > support the adrenals. Another note, most people > > > seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds > > > in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. > > > > > > All this was before I got an official Dx and a > > > prescription for Armour, and found out about > > > Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I > > > found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt > > > of time reading and researching all this stuff. > > > I still do:) > > > > > > Bethann > > > > > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > > > ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge " > > > ~ Hawking > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 You know, when I used to take the thyroid pill, it said on the label to take either in the morning or at night. Now it just says to take in the morning, and to wait a half hour before eating, and to take any iron or calcium supps 4 hours later. Don't know why. I wonder how the people who take it at night " do better. " How can one tell? And I wonder why that would be? Maybe because you're not eating at night, so the pill can be better absorbed or utilised? I think I remember having to wait like 2 hours after eating, if you take the pill at night. But this new pill doesn't say anything about it. So do you remember what you read about why people taking it at night seem to do " better? " Cryss > >> > > >> > I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all > >> > different, and we all respond to things > >> > differently, so I'd recommend a little > >> > experimenting to see what works for you > >> > specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex > >> > plus, one in the morning and one at noon to > >> > support the adrenals. Another note, most people > >> > seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds > >> > in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. > >> > > >> > All this was before I got an official Dx and a > >> > prescription for Armour, and found out about > >> > Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I > >> > found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt > >> > of time reading and researching all this stuff. > >> > I still do:) > >> > > >> > Bethann > >> > > >> > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > >> > ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge " > >> > ~ Hawking > >> > > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 I just went through the full panel of tests (saliva, blood, urine) for hormone levels. I spent years piece-mealing my own treatment but, to no avail. My estrogen levels were normal as well, but my progesterone was basically non existent, which makes you 'estrogen dominant'. I'm 50 years old. After all these tests, I finally went on a dessicated thyroid, compounded progesterone cream and compounded progesterone oral capsules. I'm also on DIM and my doc put me on 12.5mg iodoral for 3 days then said up it to 25mg. I take/do these things above, along with Vitamin C, Selenium, varying B's, CoQ10, probiotics and fish oil. I feel great When I first started iodoral several months ago, because I too was absolutely riveted with the research I was reading on it, I started out rather soon with 50mg/day. I was not on a thyroid hormone and what happened to me was, all the hypo symptoms got much worse. That's what drove me to a 'functional medicine' doctor and drove me off iodoral initially. My intent is to be back up to 50mg a day, but I think there's alot of value in getting there much slower than I originally thought. Possibly because of how efficiently it makes you detox that you do not want to do that too fast, especially if you're not doing the companion nutrients which I wasn't at the time. On another, but related note, I cannot say enough good about magnesium. I've been taking higher doses of mag malate by Source Naturals for several years now, because my husband had fibromyalgia. Without a doubt, when I started taking it several huge things happened. The first is, I never had to go back on anti depressants/anti anxiety. The next are that I never had to go back to the chiropractor, massage therapist or accupuncturist. Prior to mag, I was consistently doing all of the therapies (every single week) because I could NOT relax. I could not get rid of body soreness. Magnesium makes 300+ other enzymes, aminos, supplements, etc., work in your body. It is the counter to calcium, which makes your muscles constrict. I contend that one of the main reasons fibro is so prevalent in women is the huge influx of calcium supplementation without any talk of taking mag. Anyway, I love this group and feel like I've learned a huge amount of info and I'm able to help others somewhat as well. > > > > > > > > I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all > > > > different, and we all respond to things > > > > differently, so I'd recommend a little > > > > experimenting to see what works for you > > > > specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex > > > > plus, one in the morning and one at noon to > > > > support the adrenals. Another note, most people > > > > seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds > > > > in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. > > > > > > > > All this was before I got an official Dx and a > > > > prescription for Armour, and found out about > > > > Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I > > > > found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt > > > > of time reading and researching all this stuff. > > > > I still do:) > > > > > > > > Bethann > > > > > > > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > > > > ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge " > > > > ~ Hawking > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 .....oh, let me also mention that my husband had terrible night sweats, restless leg and leg cramps and they ALL went away when we went on the 800-900 mg of mag malate. If you all buy this product by source naturals, the dosage is 1250mg for 3 tablets, which breaks down to 425mg of mag and the remainder is malic acid, from citrus fruit/crab apples. So, the dosage we worked up to was 2 tabs/3x per day, on bowel tolerance. > > > > > > > > I took 2 in the morning. Buutttt, we're all > > > > different, and we all respond to things > > > > differently, so I'd recommend a little > > > > experimenting to see what works for you > > > > specifically. I was also taking the adrenal cortex > > > > plus, one in the morning and one at noon to > > > > support the adrenals. Another note, most people > > > > seem to do better if they take their thyroid meds > > > > in the evening(I didn't know that then) before bed. > > > > > > > > All this was before I got an official Dx and a > > > > prescription for Armour, and found out about > > > > Iodine and started taking the Lugol's, then I > > > > found the Iodine protocol . I spent a loootttt > > > > of time reading and researching all this stuff. > > > > I still do:) > > > > > > > > Bethann > > > > > > > > " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > > > > ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge " > > > > ~ Hawking > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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