Estrogen and Iodine

December 3, 2010

Tylenol is extremely toxic to the liver, & I wouldn't take that during pregnancy either, if I could help it. (In fact, I no longer have Tylenol in the house.)As my dentist pointed out to me, early in pregnancy, even one cell going wrong can doom the pregnancy. Risks that I would freely take for myself, as an adult, I would avoid taking for a fetus that is growing & changing so quickly.AnneOn Dec 3, 2010, at 10:50 PM, ido zahavi wrote: dr boylefrom this interview ,get amazing results in fertility with women,especially if they have pms longer then 4 days. ldn is less dangerous the tylnol http://glasgowldn2009.com/2009/04/conference-video-interviews-dr-phil-boyle-fertility-specialist/ On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Liz <other70@...> wrote: Hi ZiggyI wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down. I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in others (at lower doses, I mean). Liz

December 4, 2010

Liz,Lugols does NOT make the thyroid stop working! It feeds the thyroid the iodine it needs. They thyroid does not make iodine, so therefore iodine does not make it stop working. Supplying the hormones the thyroid makes might stop it from making the hormones. Please don’t confuse the two different things! Donna in IL Hi ZiggyI wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down. I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in others (at lower doses, I mean).Liz

December 4, 2010

>

>I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me

>feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply

>make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in

>others (at lower doses, I mean).

>Liz

Sorry, but I must correct this. It's a lie that iodine makes " the thyroid

stop working " ever. Period. Hanging on to this lie does no one any good,

it's certainly not helping anyone regain health, and it gets in the way of

accurate analyses of health problems.

This idea is based on the thoroughly debunked Wolff-Chaikoff effect, which

was completely made up by the " scientist " who " discovered " it and is

responsible for iodine being demonized by the medical industrial complex.

And iodine being demonized is a huge reason so many people are getting sick

and sicker, because iodine is one of the nutrients that protects us from

some of the worst of the chemical pollutants which are so common and

plentiful now in our environment that " toxic bath " is an accurate

description of it.

In addition, if you feel " bad " taking more than 2 drops of Lugol's, it's

because you are detoxing bromide, it doesn't matter that you may have

" detoxed " there is always a new slew of chemicals entering your body.

Without significant doses of iodine, we cannot hope to keep our bodies

clear of bromines. 1-2 drops won't do it.

wishing you well,

--

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

December 4, 2010

I agree, Anne. I threw out my tylenol and ibuprofen when I was detoxing the

house year and haven't missed it. I certainly wouldn't take it while trying to

conceive.

I'm still not clear on what LDN is. It seems like it's a cortisol, which I

wouldn't feel comfortable ingesting esp while trying to conceive.

Ziggy

> >

> > Hi Ziggy

> > I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends

> > to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like

> > progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger

> > health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone.

> > I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become

> > lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I

> > have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check

> > your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.

> > I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made

> > me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels

> > simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it

> > would in others (at lower doses, I mean).

> > Liz

> >

>

December 4, 2010

http://www.low dose naltrexone.org/

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Ziggy <sweflen@...> wrote:

I agree, Anne. I threw out my tylenol and ibuprofen when I was detoxing the house year and haven't missed it. I certainly wouldn't take it while trying to conceive. I'm still not clear on what LDN is. It seems like it's a cortisol, which I wouldn't feel comfortable ingesting esp while trying to conceive.

Ziggy> >> >> > Hi Ziggy> > I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends

> > to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like > > progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger > > health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone.

> > I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become > > lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I > > have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check

> > your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.

> > I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made > > me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels > > simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it

> > would in others (at lower doses, I mean).> > Liz> >> >> >> >> >>

December 4, 2010

Yes, I think we'll find that women react differently and without testing.

Seeing the live blood analysis yesterday was enough to put me off taking high

dose iodine. Although I feel fine, my blood was showing high levels of oxidative

stress from detoxing. My neutrophils were few and far between, and the ones that

were there, were much smaller than they should have been, and irregular in size.

I think we may find in a few years a swing back to more conservative use of

iodine when testing becomes more accessible and cheaper, and people are able to

see what affect iodine is having a cellular level.

Right now it's really still experimental.

Ancient people were not ingesting large doses like we are. Even with a high

seafood intake, the average dose was probably more like 10-15 mg daily. That's a

long ways from 100-150mg. I'm not convinced our bodies can handle / adapt to the

difference even if it does mean we are detoxing at a higher rate.

I would really hope that one day we will have data not only on the relationship

between iodine and improved health outcomes, but also on how iodine intake at

particular dosages affect other body systems.

Ziggy

>

> Hi Ziggy

> I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to do

poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone gets pushed

a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it might not be the right

treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels

have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I have

no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check your SHBG to see if

that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.

> I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me feel

bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply make the

thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in others (at lower

doses, I mean).

> Liz

>

December 4, 2010

Thanks, Ido. I believe it's the same website you (? or someone else) posted

previously. It reads like a bit of an infomercial for the drug.

It speaks about the drug action as blocking opiod receptors on immune cells, but

doesn't really talk about what affect this has on the immune system, and no data

from clinical trials is presented. Since I've found out that I am TH1 dominant,

I certainly wouldn't want to take a drug that stimulants a TH1 response.

A quick google indicates that there's a lot of conflicting evidence about the

effects of LDN.

Besides, I'm quite certain that I don't want anything produced by DuPont

anywhere near my body while I'm trying to conceive.

Ziggy

> > > >

> > > > Hi Ziggy

> > > > I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends

> > > > to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like

> > > > progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger

> > > > health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone.

> > > > I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become

> > > > lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I

> > > > have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check

> > > > your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.

> > > > I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made

> > > > me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels

> > > > simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it

> > > > would in others (at lower doses, I mean).

> > > > Liz

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2010

I can't remember how long you were taking high dose iodine. Is it possible that this was a temporary response? If iodine does everything it is reported to do -- nourishes all the glands, say -- then it might cause a temporary shift in hormone production till things settle. (Just as some of the thyroid values temporarily change.)AnneOn Dec 4, 2010, at 10:20 PM, Ziggy wrote: Yes, I think we'll find that women react differently and without testing. Seeing the live blood analysis yesterday was enough to put me off taking high dose iodine. Although I feel fine, my blood was showing high levels of oxidative stress from detoxing. My neutrophils were few and far between, and the ones that were there, were much smaller than they should have been, and irregular in size. I think we may find in a few years a swing back to more conservative use of iodine when testing becomes more accessible and cheaper, and people are able to see what affect iodine is having a cellular level. Right now it's really still experimental. Ancient people were not ingesting large doses like we are. Even with a high seafood intake, the average dose was probably more like 10-15 mg daily. That's a long ways from 100-150mg. I'm not convinced our bodies can handle / adapt to the difference even if it does mean we are detoxing at a higher rate. I would really hope that one day we will have data not only on the relationship between iodine and improved health outcomes, but also on how iodine intake at particular dosages affect other body systems. Ziggy > > > Hi Ziggy > I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down. > I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in others (at lower doses, I mean). > Liz >

December 4, 2010

LDN is not a cortisol, and women who conceive on it are having

healthier-than-average babies-- there are fertility docs using it. I'm not

pushing it, but you must not have read the materials because those

materials make it really clear what it is. It's also not just for liver

problems, as you mentioned. It's for autoimmune problems, cancer, and some

other things. It simply stimulates the body to produce more endorphins,

which the body then uses according to its needs, for healing.

However this is off topic.

best wishes,

--

>I agree, Anne. I threw out my tylenol and ibuprofen when I was detoxing

>the house year and haven't missed it. I certainly wouldn't take it while

>trying to conceive.

>

>I'm still not clear on what LDN is. It seems like it's a cortisol, which I

>wouldn't feel comfortable ingesting esp while trying to conceive.

>

>Ziggy

>

> > >

> > > Hi Ziggy

> > > I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends

> > > to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like

> > > progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger

> > > health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone.

> > > I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become

> > > lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I

> > > have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check

> > > your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.

> > > I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made

> > > me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels

> > > simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it

> > > would in others (at lower doses, I mean).

> > > Liz

> > >

> >

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

December 5, 2010

Ziggy-- I hear you that you don't think iodine is working for you at this

time. However, we have had a number of women report that they started

iodine for fertility issues and became pregnant, just in the time I've been

on the list (a little less than a year). So your situation isn't a

reflection of experiences other women have had with iodine.

I disagree about the question of conservative or not doses. Lugol's has

been in use since the 1820s. People used it freely until the lie of the

Wolff-Chaikoff effect took hold.

As I have stated on numerous occasions recently, iodine that is not

required or used by the body is excreted in the urine. We live in a toxic

bath of toxins, many of which displace iodine in the body. Without high

doses, those toxins cannot be displaced from the body. At this point in

time, it's not actually possible to eat enough food to ingest enough iodine

to undo the damage that everyone is undergoing on a daily basis because of

the toxic burden in our environment.

You are upset because you want to conceive and haven't, and seem to be

doing what so many people do, which is to blame iodine for anything that

happens (or doesn't happen) once they have taken it. The environment for

that to occur was created by the lie of the " W-C effect " , so it's

understandable that you're in that mindset, but I don't think it's doing

you or others a lot of good.

The bloodwork you are seeing could be any number of things, including detox

processes. If your current doctor doesn't support iodine, s/he will also be

willing to theorize that it's a result of the iodine. But I, and the

cutting-edge iodine doctors, don't agree with you.

Once again we have a listmember claiming that anyone who isn't testing is

endangering themselves, and that is simply not helpful to people. It's not

true, and it's not helpful. People have been using Lugol's to achieve

health since the 1820s, long before there were any tests. And as far as

ancient humans go, they absolutely were not subjected to the toxic burden

that we are. That toxic burden is a reality we all have to come to grips

with, and it's responsible for the alarming epidemic of fertility issues in

humans as well other species.

--

At 12:20 AM 12/5/2010, you wrote:

>Yes, I think we'll find that women react differently and without testing.

>

>Seeing the live blood analysis yesterday was enough to put me off taking

>high dose iodine. Although I feel fine, my blood was showing high levels

>of oxidative stress from detoxing. My neutrophils were few and far

>between, and the ones that were there, were much smaller than they should

>have been, and irregular in size.

>

>I think we may find in a few years a swing back to more conservative use

>of iodine when testing becomes more accessible and cheaper, and people are

>able to see what affect iodine is having a cellular level.

>Right now it's really still experimental.

>

>Ancient people were not ingesting large doses like we are. Even with a

>high seafood intake, the average dose was probably more like 10-15 mg

>daily. That's a long ways from 100-150mg. I'm not convinced our bodies can

>handle / adapt to the difference even if it does mean we are detoxing at a

>higher rate.

>

>I would really hope that one day we will have data not only on the

>relationship between iodine and improved health outcomes, but also on how

>iodine intake at particular dosages affect other body systems.

>

>Ziggy

>

> >

> > Hi Ziggy

> > I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to

> do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone

> gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it

> might not be the right treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant

> either. My estradiol levels have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment

> because my SHBG was raised. I have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you

> might want to check your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your

> estrogen levels down.

> > I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me

> feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply

> make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in

> others (at lower doses, I mean).

> > Liz

> >

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

December 5, 2010

I agree with . I was infertile from age 24 on after a

partial thyroidectomy and no meds b/c of TSH test! in spite of the

fact that I looked terribly hypoT. I wish I had at least known

about iodine. now I take 100mg Iodoral daily, but no babies for me

b/c I am 62yo.

Gracia

On 12/5/2010 3:12 AM, Baker wrote:

Ziggy-- I hear you that you don't think iodine is working

for you at this

time. However, we have had a number of women report that

they started

iodine for fertility issues and became pregnant, just in

the time I've been

on the list (a little less than a year). So your situation

isn't a

reflection of experiences other women have had with

iodine.

I disagree about the question of conservative or not

doses. Lugol's has

been in use since the 1820s. People used it freely until

the lie of the

Wolff-Chaikoff effect took hold.

As I have stated on numerous occasions recently, iodine

that is not

required or used by the body is excreted in the urine. We

live in a toxic

bath of toxins, many of which displace iodine in the body.

Without high

doses, those toxins cannot be displaced from the body. At

this point in

time, it's not actually possible to eat enough food to

ingest enough iodine

to undo the damage that everyone is undergoing on a daily

basis because of

the toxic burden in our environment.

You are upset because you want to conceive and haven't,

and seem to be

doing what so many people do, which is to blame iodine for

anything that

happens (or doesn't happen) once they have taken it. The

environment for

that to occur was created by the lie of the "W-C effect",

so it's

understandable that you're in that mindset, but I don't

think it's doing

you or others a lot of good.

The bloodwork you are seeing could be any number of

things, including detox

processes. If your current doctor doesn't support iodine,

s/he will also be

willing to theorize that it's a result of the iodine. But

I, and the

cutting-edge iodine doctors, don't agree with you.

Once again we have a listmember claiming that anyone who

isn't testing is

endangering themselves, and that is simply not helpful to

people. It's not

true, and it's not helpful. People have been using Lugol's

to achieve

health since the 1820s, long before there were any tests.

And as far as

ancient humans go, they absolutely were not subjected to

the toxic burden

that we are. That toxic burden is a reality we all have to

come to grips

with, and it's responsible for the alarming epidemic of

fertility issues in

humans as well other species.

--

December 5, 2010

Ziggy,Just wanted to say that I know this is all very hard. I lost my first pregnancy at the beginning of my second trimester, then developed a uterine infection that was an awful experience and ended up in the hospital for a week. That infection caused damage to my ovaries which I did not find out about until several years later when we starting TTC again. Long story short, I ended up with a great doc who spent the time needed in surgery to save my ovaries. I am very thankful for him, I could have easily ended up with a hysterectomy. My first successful pregnancy went well as did my ability to nurse. My second pregnancy (which was probably really too close to the first, although I didn't know about the health reasons for waiting between pregnancies back then) was awful, sick for the majority of it, major nursing problems, although I pulled it off with help from the LLL. A fourth pregnancy ended in miscarriage, fifth pregnancy carried to term, extremely ill throughout the first trimester though, a few nursing issues along with mastitis a year into it. My sixth pregnancy went well, was 6 years later than the 5th. The easiest time I had nursing was with the first, and looking back I believe this was the only time I had adequate iodine levels to produce a ton of milk. My second has learning disabilities. My 3rd child died at the age of 5 from an autoimmune disease called Aplastic Anemia, my 4th has Type 1 diabetes, Hashi's and Celiac. I believe that my health issues contributed to theirs. I know it is devastating to want a child and have trouble conceiving or not be able to conceive, but from personal experience, I know that pales in the face of health issues with a child or losing a child. Just keep the faith, work on your health and wishing you Godspeed on your journey!Linn

On 12/5/2010 3:12 AM, Baker wrote:

Ziggy-- I hear you that you don't think iodine is working

for you at this

time. However, we have had a number of women report that

they started

iodine for fertility issues and became pregnant, just in

the time I've been

on the list (a little less than a year). So your situation

isn't a

reflection of experiences other women have had with

iodine.

I disagree about the question of conservative or not

doses. Lugol's has

been in use since the 1820s. People used it freely until

the lie of the

Wolff-Chaikoff effect took hold.

As I have stated on numerous occasions recently, iodine

that is not

required or used by the body is excreted in the urine. We

live in a toxic

bath of toxins, many of which displace iodine in the body.

Without high

doses, those toxins cannot be displaced from the body. At

this point in

time, it's not actually possible to eat enough food to

ingest enough iodine

to undo the damage that everyone is undergoing on a daily

basis because of

the toxic burden in our environment.

You are upset because you want to conceive and haven't,

and seem to be

doing what so many people do, which is to blame iodine for

anything that

happens (or doesn't happen) once they have taken it. The

environment for

that to occur was created by the lie of the "W-C effect",

so it's

understandable that you're in that mindset, but I don't

think it's doing

you or others a lot of good.

The bloodwork you are seeing could be any number of

things, including detox

processes. If your current doctor doesn't support iodine,

s/he will also be

willing to theorize that it's a result of the iodine. But

I, and the

cutting-edge iodine doctors, don't agree with you.

Once again we have a listmember claiming that anyone who

isn't testing is

endangering themselves, and that is simply not helpful to

people. It's not

true, and it's not helpful. People have been using Lugol's

to achieve

health since the 1820s, long before there were any tests.

And as far as

ancient humans go, they absolutely were not subjected to

the toxic burden

that we are. That toxic burden is a reality we all have to

come to grips

with, and it's responsible for the alarming epidemic of

fertility issues in

humans as well other species.

--

December 5, 2010

Wow Linn what a story you have. I am so sorry you have had to deal with all that. This is the reason why I emphasize so emphatically that you must be well as a mom before trying to have children. For me it was cancer that resulted with children with hashi's and gluten issues - not sure if they are celiac but we maintain GF diet and they are healthier. Son is toxic in bromide, benzene, styrene and one other environmental toxin with phase 2 liver detoxification issues. We have not addressed my daughter's issues yet as my son was more critical and you can only foot the bill for $1,000 tests ever few years.

It is a tough world we live in and these decisions as to what is the right thing to do are getting harder. I hope that when I get my practice going I am able to help individuals that are in this condition to heal so they can provide the best environment for the child to thrive in.

Steph

Re: Re: Estrogen and Iodine

Ziggy,

Just wanted to say that I know this is all very hard. I lost my first pregnancy at the beginning of my second trimester, then developed a uterine infection that was an awful experience and ended up in the hospital for a week. That infection caused damage to my ovaries which I did not find out about until several years later when we starting TTC again. Long story short, I ended up with a great doc who spent the time needed in surgery to save my ovaries. I am very thankful for him, I could have easily ended up with a hysterectomy. My first successful pregnancy went well as did my ability to nurse. My second pregnancy (which was probably really too close to the first, although I didn't know about the health reasons for waiting between pregnancies back then) was awful, sick for the majority of it, major nursing problems, although I pulled it off with help from the LLL. A fourth pregnancy ended in miscarriage, fifth pregnancy carried to term, extremely ill throughout the first trimester though, a few nursing issues along with mastitis a year into it. My sixth pregnancy went well, was 6 years later than the 5th. The easiest time I had nursing was with the first, and looking back I believe this was the only time I had adequate iodine levels to produce a ton of milk. My second has learning disabilities. My 3rd child died at the age of 5 from an autoimmune disease called Aplastic Anemia, my 4th has Type 1 diabetes, Hashi's and Celiac. I believe that my health issues contributed to theirs. I know it is devastating to want a child and have trouble conceiving or not be able to conceive, but from personal experience, I know that pales in the face of health issues with a child or losing a child. Just keep the faith, work on your health and wishing you Godspeed on your journey!

Linn

On 12/5/2010 3:12 AM, Baker wrote:

Ziggy-- I hear you that you don't think iodine is working for you at this time. However, we have had a number of women report that they started iodine for fertility issues and became pregnant, just in the time I've been on the list (a little less than a year). So your situation isn't a reflection of experiences other women have had with iodine.I disagree about the question of conservative or not doses. Lugol's has been in use since the 1820s. People used it freely until the lie of the Wolff-Chaikoff effect took hold.As I have stated on numerous occasions recently, iodine that is not required or used by the body is excreted in the urine. We live in a toxic bath of toxins, many of which displace iodine in the body. Without high doses, those toxins cannot be displaced from the body. At this point in time, it's not actually possible to eat enough food to ingest enough iodine to undo the damage that everyone is undergoing on a daily basis because of the toxic burden in our environment.You are upset because you want to conceive and haven't, and seem to be doing what so many people do, which is to blame iodine for anything that happens (or doesn't happen) once they have taken it. The environment for that to occur was created by the lie of the "W-C effect", so it's understandable that you're in that mindset, but I don't think it's doing you or others a lot of good.The bloodwork you are seeing could be any number of things, including detox processes. If your current doctor doesn't support iodine, s/he will also be willing to theorize that it's a result of the iodine. But I, and the cutting-edge iodine doctors, don't agree with you.Once again we have a listmember claiming that anyone who isn't testing is endangering themselves, and that is simply not helpful to people. It's not true, and it's not helpful. People have been using Lugol's to achieve health since the 1820s, long before there were any tests. And as far as ancient humans go, they absolutely were not subjected to the toxic burden that we are. That toxic burden is a reality we all have to come to grips with, and it's responsible for the alarming epidemic of fertility issues in humans as well other species.--

December 5, 2010

Hi Donna,

isn't the key to dosing iodine using enough to get your thryroid working, but

not so much that your thryoid becomes saturated with iodine and stops working?

Maybe my understanding is wrong?

Liz

>

> Liz,

> Lugols does NOT make the thyroid stop working! It feeds the thyroid the iodine

it needs. They thyroid does not make iodine, so therefore iodine does not make

it stop working. Supplying the hormones the thyroid makes might stop it from

making the hormones. Please don't confuse the two different things!

>

> Donna in IL

>

> Hi Ziggy

> I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to do

poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone gets pushed

a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it might not be the right

treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels

have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I have

no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check your SHBG to see if

that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.

> I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me feel

bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply make the

thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in others (at lower

doses, I mean).

> Liz

>

> ________________________________

>

December 5, 2010

When your thyroid is saturated it doesn't take in any more. Remember the way the thyroid gets the iodine is by pulling it from the blood stream. If it doesn't need it, it will just let it pass on by and go to another place that does. I recently was listening to a lecture by a doctor - other than Dr Brownstein - that stated every cell in the body has iodine in it. So that's where it goes.

Steph

Re: Estrogen and Iodine

Hi Donna,isn't the key to dosing iodine using enough to get your thryroid working, but not so much that your thryoid becomes saturated with iodine and stops working? Maybe my understanding is wrong?Liz>> Liz,> Lugols does NOT make the thyroid stop working! It feeds the thyroid the iodine it needs. They thyroid does not make iodine, so therefore iodine does not make it stop working. Supplying the hormones the thyroid makes might stop it from making the hormones. Please don't confuse the two different things!> > Donna in IL> > > Hi Ziggy> I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to do poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone gets pushed a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it might not be the right treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I have no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check your SHBG to see if that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.> I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply make the thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in others (at lower doses, I mean).> Liz> > ________________________________>

December 5, 2010

Okay, thanks for the explanation

Liz

> >

> > Liz,

> > Lugols does NOT make the thyroid stop working! It feeds the thyroid the

iodine it needs. They thyroid does not make iodine, so therefore iodine does not

make it stop working. Supplying the hormones the thyroid makes might stop it

from making the hormones. Please don't confuse the two different things!

> >

> > Donna in IL

> >

> > Hi Ziggy

> > I wonder about this question, too. I am actually someone who tends to do

poorly on progesterone therapy of any kind. I feel like progesterone gets pushed

a lot onto women as part of a larger health trend but it might not be the right

treatment for everyone. I am not estrogen dominant either. My estradiol levels

have become lower with cytomel (T3) treatment because my SHBG was raised. I have

no idea if iodine raises SHBG, but you might want to check your SHBG to see if

that might be pushing your estrogen levels down.

> > I only take 1-2 lugols 5% per day. I tried taking more, and it made me

feel bad, even after I had already detoxed. Maybe higher levels simply make the

thyriod stop working in some people earlier than it would in others (at lower

doses, I mean).

> > Liz

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

>

December 6, 2010

Hi ,

We're going to have to agree to disagree. I believe there are benefits to taking

iodine. However, I'm not convinced that it's the same benefits at the same dose

for every individual. And without adequate testing / evidence to show how it is

affecting other bodily systems, I believe it can be a risk for some individuals,

like myself. Just as any medication is.

I did not mention the Wolff-Chaikoff effect. Not sure where that comment came

from. I've never shown signs of hyperthyroidism. For me this has always been

about the link between high dose iodine and it's affect on my estradiol levels.

The only comment I'll make on the 'upset because I'm not able to conceive'

remark is that it's disrespectful and rather personal. I'm not actively trying

to conceive at the moment, and I'm not bitter or upset that my many pregnancies

have not been viable. It's a fact of life so far, and I'm hoping that my luck

will change especially as I look for answers.

Many people on here have emailed men personally to support which I really

appreciate. I am really grateful for the journey that trying to conceive has

taken me on. Otherwise I doubt I would have found out that I was so toxic. So

it's all good.

I am looking for answers, as we all are. I am trying balance the information on

this blog with the information several highly reputable practitioners are

telling me. None of them are iodine-phobic. Quite the contrary. They are all

very in tune with natural therapies and detoxification, and have guided me

safely through a major detox over the last 2 years.

However, they have all cautioned me that high dose iodine is not something I

personally need because I am not estrogen dominant. And have been struggling to

balance my hormones while I was adamant that iodine was going to 'balance

everything'. My lesson learned from this experience is that there should be a

rethink in advocating iodine's use for everyone for every condition. There must

be some caveat put around the recommendations to identify which conditions

respond most favourably, which would probably not / should be monitored closely.

I would suggest that's just safe practice with a powerful substance.

Ziggy

>

> Ziggy-- I hear you that you don't think iodine is working for you at this

> time. However, we have had a number of women report that they started

> iodine for fertility issues and became pregnant, just in the time I've been

> on the list (a little less than a year). So your situation isn't a

> reflection of experiences other women have had with iodine.

>

> I disagree about the question of conservative or not doses. Lugol's has

> been in use since the 1820s. People used it freely until the lie of the

> Wolff-Chaikoff effect took hold.

>

> As I have stated on numerous occasions recently, iodine that is not

> required or used by the body is excreted in the urine. We live in a toxic

> bath of toxins, many of which displace iodine in the body. Without high

> doses, those toxins cannot be displaced from the body. At this point in

> time, it's not actually possible to eat enough food to ingest enough iodine

> to undo the damage that everyone is undergoing on a daily basis because of

> the toxic burden in our environment.

>

> You are upset because you want to conceive and haven't, and seem to be

> doing what so many people do, which is to blame iodine for anything that

> happens (or doesn't happen) once they have taken it. The environment for

> that to occur was created by the lie of the " W-C effect " , so it's

> understandable that you're in that mindset, but I don't think it's doing

> you or others a lot of good.

>

> The bloodwork you are seeing could be any number of things, including detox

> processes. If your current doctor doesn't support iodine, s/he will also be

> willing to theorize that it's a result of the iodine. But I, and the

> cutting-edge iodine doctors, don't agree with you.

>

> Once again we have a listmember claiming that anyone who isn't testing is

> endangering themselves, and that is simply not helpful to people. It's not

> true, and it's not helpful. People have been using Lugol's to achieve

> health since the 1820s, long before there were any tests. And as far as

> ancient humans go, they absolutely were not subjected to the toxic burden

> that we are. That toxic burden is a reality we all have to come to grips

> with, and it's responsible for the alarming epidemic of fertility issues in

> humans as well other species.

>

> --

>

December 6, 2010

- Do have any links for the references to the safety / use of LDN in

pregancy?

I did read the material on the links provided. I also googled LDN and the

information that came up was contraversial. There are no studies from clinical

trials demonstrating the potential benefits for pregnancy, and no evidence that

endorphins have a direct response on the immune system.

It may be off topic, but it's the third time this week that LDN has been

recommended as a treatment for infertility and autoimmune conditions. It's a

concern that such claims are made without links to references about the drug's

safety during pregnancy. The few sites I have looked at have recommended against

it's use in pregnancy.