Re: stephs recipe for flush

[Guest guest]

Hello Dr. L,

I second that experience!

Linsey

On Apr 3, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Dr. Loretta Lanphier wrote:

>

> I have never witnessed anyone, who followed the protocol correctly, have to

deal with getting a stone stuck.

>

>

> Be Well

> Dr.L

>

>

[Guest guest]

Really good post Bethann. ~

>

> That's not what the Book says. It may have been

> ritually unclean, but these animals are unclean in

> like they were really dirty, and some are still

> dirty(germy) today. I see unclean as meaning just

> that, germy. Ravens, and vultures, eat other dead

> things that can be infected with anything, and are

> decomposing already. Birds of prey eat fresh

> kills, all kinds of animals from everywhere. You

> cannot control what diseased animal they might

> eat, or what diseases carried by other animals

> they might have been in contact with, rabies,

> lice, mange, fleas, ticks, etc., etc., etc. Think

> about all the disease that are spread by contact

> with infected flesh or bodily fluids, and/or by

> insects from those infected animals that you have

> heard of.

>

> Crabs, shark and some other crustaceans will eat

> anything also, they're the garbage cans of the

> sea. There was a bumper crop of crabs after Pearl

> Harbor. So will pigs, they're omnivorous and will

> eat anything including other dead animals, humans.

> Anything. That is fact, not something I made up.

>

> So knowing that, yeah the health and dietary laws

> make sense if you wanted to keep people

> healthy(clean) if you will. Nowadays they keep

> pigs fenced in and feed them grains and other

> stuff, but they still tend to get degenerative

> diseases, arthritis, and such because of the

> problems they have getting rid of toxins.

> Crustaceans and catfish have a buildup of toxins

> in their systems. Catfish because they are bottom

> feeders and toxins that fall out of suspension

> concentrate in mud at the bottoms of lakes and

> such. No fins or gills don't eat it.

>

> You seem to think the " God " that supposedly wrote

> those laws is stupid or something. There are also

> laws about contagious diseases and mold in houses

> for example. I've read the whole thing many times.

> It reads like a primitive health manual. They

> couldn't just say it's for your own good, LMAO, no

> one would have obeyed, they had to reinforce it

> with the idea that " God " will get you if you

> disobey these laws.

>

> You may believe it was all ritual if you like, and

> to separate the peoples, but in reality it was a

> stone that killed two birds. When " God " ordered

> all the beasts and people killed right down to the

> infants, I'm thinking it was not simply because of

> " sin " per se. It was probably because the people

> carried a blood born pathogen, a defective gene,

> or sexually transmitted disease that couldn't be

> cured. Otherwise the orders wouldn't have been

> different for different battles. In some cases

> only unmarried virgins could be taken as captives,

> that says sexually transmitted pathogen to me. It

> might have been wrapped up in religious terms but

> it was stone cold pragmatism.

>

> And touching dead bodies? Puhleease. Back then you

> didn't know what a person had died from. You could

> catch all kinds of things from a dead body, there

> was no refrigeration,and the bacterial breakdown

> (decomposition) of the body begins right away, so

> it is dirty. So yeah believe it was allll ritual

> if you like, but I see something entirely different.

>

> And after reading the whole thing yeah they

> all(the health and dietary laws) read like public

> health rules. Most people don't see it because

> they're reading it from a religious oriented

> perspective instead of a stay healthy, stay well

> perspective.

>

>

> It was an ingeniously engineered plan, and because

> it was wrapped up in religion, and " ordered by

> God " , and made into civil law too, of course

> people were going to follow it. Sacred and civil

> all wrapped up in one tidy package.

>

>

> Now the feasts and festivals were mostly entirely

> ritual, but there was supposedly foreshadowing in

> them.

>

> And yeah it would separate the Jews because no one

> else could figure out why they did the things they

> did. They didn't understand germs and pathogens,

> and incubation periods back then.

>

> We'll just have to agree to disagree on that,

> because I definitely don't agree with you about

> the just ritually clean and separating the peoples

> point. Those laws were definitely made to keep

> people healthy in an ancient environment.

>

>

> Bethann

>

> " The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

> ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

> ~ Hawking

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

You will not gain weight with any liver flush...on the contrary, you will likely

lose 1 to 2 lbs...I have never had anyone gain weight with the flush and the

oil. If you use canola alone or mixed with grapeseed oil, those are the easiest

to keep down and those oils will actually help you lose weight. Oils high in

monounsaturates help you lose weight, vs oils high in poly unsaturates which are

inflammatory and make you gain weight. See the research I did for my US Patent

back in the 70's and 80's...you can do a search on my name at the USPTO or go

here for a simple explanation of the different effects of different oils in the

body chemistry.....http://www.vitaroyal.com/human/articles/obesity-main.html

Linsey

On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:50 PM, lookonthebriteside wrote:

> I was very interested in trying Steph's flush recipe, but the 4-6 ounces of

olive oil scares me...I've already gained weight from what I believe is detox

associated with iodine...4-6 ounces of oil is a lot of calories...It's probably

a day's worth for me.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Bethan, you'd better make sure you don't mix your linen and cotton, stay away from others while menstruating, and don't cook or mix meat with milk.JoanneOn Apr 4, 2010, at 9:13 PM, iodine wrote:You seem to think the "God" that supposedly wrote those laws is stupid or something. There are also laws about contagious diseases and mold in houses for example. I've read the whole thing many times. It reads like a primitive health manual. They couldn't just say it's for your own good, LMAO, no one would have obeyed, they had to reinforce it with the idea that "God" will get you if you disobey these laws.

[Guest guest]

Pigs could also have become taboo because land was unavailable for their use. Customs often dictate that an animal requiring too much land or that exists in too few numbers be avoided.JoanneOn Apr 4, 2010, at 9:13 PM, iodine wrote: think most biblical scholars say that in some cases practical reasons for the dietary restrictions can be identified, but not all can be rationalized that way. So really the answer is, both.

[Guest guest]

The recipe specifically called for organic olive oil...It's alright to

substitute a different oil?

It just seems live I've been gaining weight so easily since I started

iodine...I'm not sure how many calories are in 4-6 ounces of oil, but I would

feel like I would have to not eat hardly anything else on the days I take that

oil...I rarely eat/use oil (and if I do, it's in tiny amounts) because I'm

pretty calorie conscious.

Thanks Linsey,

Sherry

>

> > I was very interested in trying Steph's flush recipe, but the 4-6 ounces of

olive oil scares me...I've already gained weight from what I believe is detox

associated with iodine...4-6 ounces of oil is a lot of calories...It's probably

a day's worth for me.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That may be so, but doesn't change all the other

facts. A tame pig will turn feral if it gets out

of a pen and gets with other wild pigs. The

process can take less than a month. They start

growing coarser thicker hair and etc. No one said

pigs are dumb animals, I know how smart they are.

They're not stupid. There's not much you can tell

me about pigs. My Dad raised them, between 200 and

500 at a time depending on the number of sows we

had with litters. I know pigs. We had a boar with

big curling tusks that had to be a cross between a

farm bred and a wild boar. That boar was big

enough that his back was as higher than my Dad's

waist, the biggest boar I've ever seen up close

and personal, and he was mean as a snake. We were

told never to enter the pig pen by ourselves while

that pig was in the pen. That pig also led all the

great escapes, LOL. He killed a lot of piglets

too, we had to get to the sows and move them to a

separate enclosure as soon as the farrows were

born or that boar would kill them. He got my Dad

more than once, pinned him up against the side of

the fence and bit the snot out of him. Dad had a

huge bruise on his thigh once that stayed there

for weeks. The only thing that saved him a really

nasty bite was that he was wearing jeans,

overalls, and hip waders at the time, and that

darned pig's mouth was still big enough to almost

get my Dad's whole upper thigh in his mouth. Those

saved him from the teeth but not the pressure.

Also our pigs had plenty of access to clean straw,

water, and other materials and they still created

a stinky muddy wallowing hole that they took the

greatest pleasure in wallowing in. They would

wallow and cover themselves in mud, the mud

protected them from the heat of the day in the

summer. I used to spend hours watching those pigs.

But this is getting way off topic. If you want to

talk pigs let's move it to the OT list

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Baker wrote:

>

>

>

> > Nowadays they keep

> >pigs fenced in and feed them grains and other

> >stuff, but they still tend to get degenerative

> >diseases, arthritis, and such because of the

> >problems they have getting rid of toxins.

>

> I think most biblical scholars say that in some cases practical reasons for

> the dietary restrictions can be identified, but not all can be rationalized

> that way. So really the answer is, both.

>

> I don't eat pork so I can't contribute to the conversation about that. But,

> just quickly, I'm not sure where this info is coming from but I'm not sure

> it's true. I keep two pet pigs and know a little about them. Farm pigs have

> been bred to be way too big for their organs and their legs, and that has

> resulted in some of the arthritis and heart issues they can have. It's

> really not true that their toxins stay in them because they don't sweat--

> urination and defecation are two routes-- and a lot of other animals do not

> sweat-- most do not. However, smaller pigs are being studied in science

> labs because of their amazing capacity for healing-- pigs heal themselves

> from skin cancers, among other wonders. Science wants to know why they are

> such amazing healers and is doing all kinds of things to them to find

> out. To the pigs' regret, no doubt.

>

> They are also fastidious in their habits if they have enough room to create

> separate areas for sleeping, eating, bathing, and excreting. They are the

> 4th smartest animal group, starting with humans, apes, whales and dolphins,

> and then pigs.

>

> --

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

>

[Guest guest]

"You seem to think the "God" that supposedly wrote those laws is stupid or something. There are also laws about contagious diseases and mold in houses for example. I've read the whole thing many times. It reads like a primitive health manual."I think no such thing. And yes, it does read like a primitive health manual which indicates the brilliance behind. I was merely giving an additional (Jewish) perspective from someone who keeps kosher. It is a complex subject with a lot of answers but I'll say no more. "I think most biblical scholars say that in some cases practical reasons for the dietary restrictions can be identified, but not all can be rationalized that way. So really the answer is, both."Absolutely.

[Guest guest]

I think asked we take this to the OT Group. =-)

Re: stephs recipe for flush

"You seem to think the "God" that supposedly wrote those laws is stupid or something. There are also laws about contagious diseases and mold in houses for example. I've read the whole thing many times. It reads like a primitive health manual."

I think no such thing. And yes, it does read like a primitive health manual which indicates the brilliance behind. I was merely giving an additional (Jewish) perspective from someone who keeps kosher. It is a complex subject with a lot of answers but I'll say no more.

"I think most biblical scholars say that in some cases practical reasons for the dietary restrictions can be identified, but not all can be rationalized that way. So really the answer is, both."

Absolutely.

[Guest guest]

*Nods head* That's a very practical reason that

could be too. Pigs take an awful lot of water also.

Oops, I just noticed we haven't moved this to the

OT list. We really need to:)

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Joanne wrote:

>

>

> Pigs could also have become taboo because land was unavailable for their

> use. Customs often dictate that an animal requiring too much land or

> that exists in too few numbers be avoided.

>

> Joanne

>

> On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:13 PM, iodinegroups (DOT) com

> <mailto:iodine > wrote:

>

>> think most biblical scholars say that in some cases practical reasons

>> for

>> the dietary restrictions can be identified, but not all can be

>> rationalized

>> that way. So really the answer is, both.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Before conventional food manufacturers began to market "canola oil".Rapeseed started life as an industrial oil.

Pat

iodine From: bruce@...Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 23:36:24 -0400Subject: Re: Re: stephs recipe for flush

Some of the problems with canola oil:

Most all canola is now GMO.

It can be found properly processed but not often.

All oils that are manufactured and processed are toxic.

Extra virgin olive oil isn't and within reason can be healthy.

Canola contains 5% saturated fat, 57% oleic acid (mono), 23% omega-6 and 10%-15% omega-3. according to Enig.

Oils high in omega 6 contribute to weight gain, and add to thyroid hormone resistance. But they are still essential but need omega 3 ballance. Modern diets are way too high in 6, adding 3 can lead to too much of both. This is where pastured meat/eggs help as they have the ballance needed by the body to be healthy.

During the deodorizing process, the omega-3 fatty acids of processed canola oil are transformed into trans fatty acids, similar to those in margarine and possibly more dangerous. A recent study indicates that "heart healthy" canola oil actually creates a deficiency of vitamin E, a vitamin required for a healthy cardiovascular system. Other studies indicate that even low-erucic-acid canola oil causes heart lesions, particularly when the diet is low in saturated fat.

Saturated fat has now been proven to be healthy. The amount of olive oil to do the flush shouldn't be a concern for weight gain, the benefits outweigh that (no pun intended )

Bruce

Re: Re: stephs recipe for flush

Hello,You will not gain weight with any liver flush...on the contrary, you will likely lose 1 to 2 lbs...I have never had anyone gain weight with the flush and the oil. If you use canola alone or mixed with grapeseed oil, those are the easiest to keep down and those oils will actually help you lose weight. Oils high in monounsaturates help you lose weight, vs oils high in poly unsaturates which are inflammatory and make you gain weight. See the research I did for my US Patent back in the 70's and 80's...you can do a search on my name at the USPTO or go here for a simple explanation of the different effects of different oils in the body chemistry.....http://www.vitaroyal.com/human/articles/obesity-main.htmlLinseyOn Apr 3, 2010, at 8:50 PM, lookonthebriteside wrote:> I was very interested in trying Steph's flush recipe, but the 4-6 ounces of olive oil scares me...I've already gained weight from what I believe is detox associated with iodine...4-6 ounces of oil is a lot of calories...It's probably a day's worth for me.> >

[Guest guest]

I wonder if one could use coconut oil for the flush? Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

Will safflower oil work? I think you can still

find non GMO safflower oil.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Bruce P wrote:

>

>

> Some of the problems with canola oil:

>

> Most all canola is now GMO.

> It can be found properly processed but not often.

> All oils that are manufactured and processed are toxic.

> Extra virgin olive oil isn't and within reason can be healthy.

>

> Canola contains 5% saturated fat, 57% oleic acid (mono), 23% omega-6 and

> 10%-15% omega-3. according to Enig.

>

> Oils high in omega 6 contribute to weight gain, and add to thyroid

> hormone resistance. But they are still essential but need omega 3

> ballance. Modern diets are way too high in 6, adding 3 can lead to too

> much of both. This is where pastured meat/eggs help as they have the

> ballance needed by the body to be healthy.

>

> During the deodorizing process, the omega-3 fatty acids of processed

> canola oil are transformed into /trans/ fatty acids, similar to those in

> margarine and possibly more dangerous. A recent study indicates that

> " heart healthy " canola oil actually creates a deficiency of vitamin E, a

> vitamin required for a healthy cardiovascular system. Other studies

> indicate that even low-erucic-acid canola oil causes heart lesions,

> particularly when the diet is low in saturated fat.

>

> Saturated fat has now been proven to be healthy. The amount of olive oil

> to do the flush shouldn't be a concern for weight gain, the benefits

> outweigh that (no pun intended )

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

>

> * Re: Re: stephs recipe for flush

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> You will not gain weight with any liver flush...on the contrary, you

> will likely lose 1 to 2 lbs...I have never had anyone gain weight

> with the flush and the oil. If you use canola alone or mixed with

> grapeseed oil, those are the easiest to keep down and those oils

> will actually help you lose weight. Oils high in monounsaturates

> help you lose weight, vs oils high in poly unsaturates which are

> inflammatory and make you gain weight. See the research I did for my

> US Patent back in the 70's and 80's...you can do a search on my name

> at the USPTO or go here for a simple explanation of the different

> effects of different oils in the body chemistry... ..http://

> www.vitaroyal. com/human/ articles/ obesity-main. html

> <chemistry.....http://www.vitaroyal.com/human/articles/obesity-main.html>

>

> Linsey

> On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:50 PM, lookonthebriteside wrote:

>

> > I was very interested in trying Steph's flush recipe, but the 4-6

> ounces of olive oil scares me...I've already gained weight from what

> I believe is detox associated with iodine...4-6 ounces of oil is a

> lot of calories...It' s probably a day's worth for me.

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes it was, rat research led to conola from that, then after marketing canola

they found their research was flawed lol.

" This means that the type of diet recommended in books like The Omega Diet--low

in protective saturates, bolstered with high levels of omega-3 fatty acids and

relying on monounsaturated fatty acids, whether from olive or canola oil, for

the majority of fat calories--may actually contribute to heart disease. Such

diets have been presented with great marketing finesse, but we need to recognize

them for what they are--payola for the food companies and con-ola for the

public... "

The Great Con-ola

Health Topics - Know Your Fats

Written by Sally Fallon and G. Enig, PhD

http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Great-Con-ola.html

Bruce

Re: Re: stephs recipe for flush

Hello,

You will not gain weight with any liver flush...on the contrary, you will likely

lose 1 to 2 lbs...I have never had anyone gain weight with the flush and the

oil. If you use canola alone or mixed with grapeseed oil, those are the easiest

to keep down and those oils will actually help you lose weight. Oils high in

monounsaturates help you lose weight, vs oils high in poly unsaturates which are

inflammatory and make you gain weight. See the research I did for my US Patent

back in the 70's and 80's...you can do a search on my name at the USPTO or go

here for a simple explanation of the different effects of different oils in the

body chemistry.....http://www.vitaroyal.com/human/articles/obesity-main.html

Linsey

On Apr 3, 2010, at 8:50 PM, lookonthebriteside wrote:

> I was very interested in trying Steph's flush recipe, but the 4-6 ounces of

olive oil scares me...I've already gained weight from what I believe is detox

associated with iodine...4-6 ounces of oil is a lot of calories...It's probably

a day's worth for me.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was wondering as well, so found this:

" As far as it has been established by anecdotal data and research the best oils

for liver flushing are high in unsaturated fats particularly mono-unsaturated or

'oleic' fatty acid. This is because oleic fatty acid is easily absorbed through

the intestinal wall and encourages the rapid flow of bile. Saturated oils slow

down the process because the saturated fats don't rigger such a extreme biliary

reflex as simple oils. "

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=785227#i

So olive oil likely best.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: e Rosewall

I wonder if one could use coconut oil for the flush? Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

Epsom salt is magnesium - which is a muscle relaxer not just a laxative. The stones don't get stuck in the ducts, even if large - especially when you do Dr. 's version. You take the epsom salts more than once - but you can use the capsules.

Tammy

Re: stephs recipe for flush

Here is a slightly different variation using Phosfood in addition to the apple juice to soften the stones and an herbal laxative instead of epsom salts:http://www.healingformula.net/program.htmI haven't done this one in a while so I guess I'm due.>> I read up on it, & supposedly a lot of the stuff you do in the > protocol is designed to soften the stones up so they will pass > easily, or dilate the ducts....> > > Take 4 - 6 oz organic Apple Juice morning and night for 1 week.> > > After one week and 1/2 hour after dinner ingest 4-6 oz organic > > olive oil> > > and 4-6 oz organic lemon juice.> > > Lay on right side for 30 mins then retire to bed.> > > In the morning drink 4-6 oz water of juice with 3 TBS Epsom Salts....------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

Hello Sherry,

On Apr 4, 2010, at 8:58 PM, lookonthebriteside wrote:

> The recipe specifically called for organic olive oil...It's alright to

substitute a different oil?

Yes, you can use canola oil or a mix of canola and grapeseed oil and still have

a successful flush. I usually use a 50/50 mix.I only use 4 oz. Most people get

ill and vomit if they use more than that. If you use the correct oil in the

right way, it will help you lose weight. Read some articles on my web

site....vitaroyal.com

Linsey

>

> It just seems live I've been gaining weight so easily since I started

iodine...I'm not sure how many calories are in 4-6 ounces of oil, but I would

feel like I would have to not eat hardly anything else on the days I take that

oil...I rarely eat/use oil (and if I do, it's in tiny amounts) because I'm

pretty calorie conscious.

>

> Thanks Linsey,

> Sherry

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Bruce,

On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Bruce P wrote:

>

>

> Some of the problems with canola oil:

>

> Most all canola is now GMO.

use organic only...that is not GMO

> It can be found properly processed but not often.

find one that is...

> All oils that are manufactured and processed are toxic.

there are no studies that show anything but healthy results from using on

Medline or Medscape or any other collection of published studies, and they did

not necessarily use specially processed canola either.

> Extra virgin olive oil isn't and within reason can be healthy.

That can be used too, however,many people, including myself have trouble keeping

a quantity of it down without vomiting in the night after a few uses, even if

they love the stuff.

And there is also a problem of many labeled extra virgin that are not too...that

was in the news several years ago. So I only recommend organic here too.

>

> Canola contains 5% saturated fat, 57% oleic acid (mono), 23% omega-6 and

10%-15% omega-3. according to Enig.

>

> Oils high in omega 6 contribute to weight gain, and add to thyroid hormone

resistance.

Please read my US Patent from 1996 that used canola oil and olive as the best

weight loss aid over all the other oils. This was issued when no other diet

patents had ever been issued, when there were at that time over 28,000 other

diets registered in the uS that could not show efficacy, and when the clinical

trials for it lasted 8 yrs. Clinical trial subjects were able to get off all

diabetes meds as well as antidepressants, and nobody that was on the diet ever

developed IR or thyroid hormone resistance....in fact those that were on thyroid

meds were able to actually reduce their meds according to the reduction of their

body mass. My research was the foundation of all the current low carb, high oil

and high protein diets out there, including the Atkins and Zone diets. I was

doing clinical trials with oils back in the 70's with horses and with humans in

the 80's. I tested all oils that were on the market at that time. Only the ones

high in mono's were effective in weight loss, irregardless of the other

parameters. Also had reduction or elimination of high autoantibody titres in the

trial participants too. And nobody ever developed ketosis. We did not have

organic meats available back then, but the meats we used most successfully were

beef, pork and lamb, surgically trimmed of fat. We also used eggs and butter. So

it depends on how you use the oils, which you use and how the oils are

incorporated into the diet.

> But they are still essential but need omega 3 ballance. Modern diets are way

too high in 6, adding 3 can lead to too much of both. This is where pastured

meat/eggs help as they have the ballance needed by the body to be healthy.

pastured is always better, to be sure.

>

> During the deodorizing process, the omega-3 fatty acids of processed canola

oil are transformed into trans fatty acids, similar to those in margarine and

possibly more dangerous. A recent study indicates that " heart healthy " canola

oil actually creates a deficiency of vitamin E, a vitamin required for a healthy

cardiovascular system. Other studies indicate that even low-erucic-acid canola

oil causes heart lesions, particularly when the diet is low in saturated fat.

Nobody in my 8 yrs of clinical trials ever had a problem like this. Vit E was

supplemented as it would be in any diet. The docs monitoring these very obese

trial participants were very skeptical and cautious and actually overdid the

testing to monitor them because of the fear they had of them drinking 1/4 cup of

oil a day. The docs were amazed at how good they did.

Linsey

>

> Saturated fat has now been proven to be healthy. The amount of olive oil to do

the flush shouldn't be a concern for weight gain, the benefits outweigh that (no

pun intended )

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Never tried it...but it will saponify nicely and that is what brings the stones

out.

Linsey

On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:50 PM, e Rosewall wrote:

> I wonder if one could use coconut oil for the flush? Just a thought.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Bethann,

Safflower is too high in polys and is inflammatory. I would not use that.

Linsey

On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:59 PM, YardBirdMail wrote:

> Will safflower oil work? I think you can still

> find non GMO safflower oil.

>

> Bethann

>

[Guest guest]

I suggest you rent the old movie Lorenzo's Oil...lots of good chemistry about

canola there.

Linsey

[Guest guest]

Hello Bruce,

The fatty acid profile for canola is very close to olive, with canola being

lower in saturated fats. Canola is called " poor man's olive oil " because it is

less expensive.

Linsey

On Apr 4, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Bruce P wrote:

> I was wondering as well, so found this:

>

> " As far as it has been established by anecdotal data and research the best

oils for liver flushing are high in unsaturated fats particularly

mono-unsaturated or 'oleic' fatty acid. This is because oleic fatty acid is

easily absorbed through the intestinal wall and encourages the rapid flow of

bile. Saturated oils slow down the process because the saturated fats don't

rigger such a extreme biliary reflex as simple oils. "

>

> http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=785227#i

>

> So olive oil likely best.

>

> Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

Cyndi,

You are absolutely correct with your statement below. The way they produce pork now there is no concern for trichinosis. I work for the biggest pork producer in the country and it is most definitely different than 10-20 years ago.

Donna Stelzl

In a message dated 4/4/2010 1:41:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cyndiann9@... writes:

From what I've researched trichinosis is no longer an issue, to the point where you don't have to cook it well done anymore. And it is also true that pork is a lot less fatty than it was 10-20 years ago, sometimes to the point where modern pork comes out dry when cooked because it doesn't have enough fat.

[Guest guest]

> All oils that are manufactured and processed are toxic.

there are no studies that show anything but healthy results from using on

Medline or Medscape or any other collection of published studies, and they did

not necessarily use specially processed canola either.

I find it hard to believe you would say this. It is common knowledge refining of

these oils make them toxic. The only ones who say otherwise work for or are

influenced by the oil industry. If you are telling people the bottles of clear

canola oil lining the shelves of grocery stores are safe and healthy then you

are seriously and dangerously wrong/

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Biochemist

Hello Bruce,

On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Bruce P wrote:

>

>

> Some of the problems with canola oil:

>

> Most all canola is now GMO.

use organic only...that is not GMO

> It can be found properly processed but not often.

find one that is...

> All oils that are manufactured and processed are toxic.

there are no studies that show anything but healthy results from using on

Medline or Medscape or any other collection of published studies, and they did

not necessarily use specially processed canola either.

> Extra virgin olive oil isn't and within reason can be healthy.

That can be used too, however,many people, including myself have trouble keeping

a quantity of it down without vomiting in the night after a few uses, even if

they love the stuff.

And there is also a problem of many labeled extra virgin that are not too...that

was in the news several years ago. So I only recommend organic here too.

>

> Canola contains 5% saturated fat, 57% oleic acid (mono), 23% omega-6 and

10%-15% omega-3. according to Enig.

>

> Oils high in omega 6 contribute to weight gain, and add to thyroid hormone

resistance.

Please read my US Patent from 1996 that used canola oil and olive as the best

weight loss aid over all the other oils. This was issued when no other diet

patents had ever been issued, when there were at that time over 28,000 other

diets registered in the uS that could not show efficacy, and when the clinical

trials for it lasted 8 yrs. Clinical trial subjects were able to get off all

diabetes meds as well as antidepressants, and nobody that was on the diet ever

developed IR or thyroid hormone resistance....in fact those that were on thyroid

meds were able to actually reduce their meds according to the reduction of their

body mass. My research was the foundation of all the current low carb, high oil

and high protein diets out there, including the Atkins and Zone diets. I was

doing clinical trials with oils back in the 70's with horses and with humans in

the 80's. I tested all oils that were on the market at that time. Only the ones

high in mono's were effective in weight loss, irregardless of the other

parameters. Also had reduction or elimination of high autoantibody titres in the

trial participants too. And nobody ever developed ketosis. We did not have

organic meats available back then, but the meats we used most successfully were

beef, pork and lamb, surgically trimmed of fat. We also used eggs and butter. So

it depends on how you use the oils, which you use and how the oils are

incorporated into the diet.

> But they are still essential but need omega 3 ballance. Modern diets are way

too high in 6, adding 3 can lead to too much of both. This is where pastured

meat/eggs help as they have the ballance needed by the body to be healthy.

pastured is always better, to be sure.

>

> During the deodorizing process, the omega-3 fatty acids of processed canola

oil are transformed into trans fatty acids, similar to those in margarine and

possibly more dangerous. A recent study indicates that " heart healthy " canola

oil actually creates a deficiency of vitamin E, a vitamin required for a healthy

cardiovascular system. Other studies indicate that even low-erucic-acid canola

oil causes heart lesions, particularly when the diet is low in saturated fat.

Nobody in my 8 yrs of clinical trials ever had a problem like this. Vit E was

supplemented as it would be in any diet. The docs monitoring these very obese

trial participants were very skeptical and cautious and actually overdid the

testing to monitor them because of the fear they had of them drinking 1/4 cup of

oil a day. The docs were amazed at how good they did.

Linsey

>

> Saturated fat has now been proven to be healthy. The amount of olive oil to do

the flush shouldn't be a concern for weight gain, the benefits outweigh that (no

pun intended )

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How to Avoid Genetically Modified Foods

Health Topics - Modern Foods

Written by

" There are four major GM crops: soy, corn, cotton, and canola. The majority of

acreage for each of these crops is genetically engineered. Herbicide-tolerant

varieties of each have their DNA inserted with bacterial genes that allow the

crops to survive otherwise deadly doses of herbicides. "

The Skinny on Fats

Written by G. Enig, PhD and Sally Fallon

" Hydrogenation: This is the process that turns polyunsaturates, normally liquid

at room temperature, into fats that are solid at room temperature-margarine and

shortening. To produce them, manufacturers begin with the cheapest oils-soy,

corn, cottonseed or canola, already rancid from the extraction process...

Canola Oil contains 5% saturated fat, 57% oleic acid, 23% omega-6 and 10%-15%

omega-3. The newest oil on the market, canola oil was developed from the rape

seed, a member of the mustard family.

Rape seed is unsuited to human consumption because it contains a very-long-chain

fatty acid called erucic acid, which under some circumstances is associated with

fibrotic heart lesions. Canola oil was bred to contain little if any erucic acid

and has drawn the attention of nutritionists because of its high oleic acid

content. But there are some indications that canola oil presents dangers of its

own. It has a high sulphur content and goes rancid easily. Baked goods made with

canola oil develop mold very quickly. During the deodorizing process, the

omega-3 fatty acids of processed canola oil are transformed into trans fatty

acids, similar to those in margarine and possibly more dangerous.69 A recent

study indicates that " heart healthy " canola oil actually creates a deficiency of

vitamin E, a vitamin required for a healthy cardiovascular system.70 Other

studies indicate that even low-erucic-acid canola oil causes heart lesions,

particularly when the diet is low in saturated fat...

http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Skinny-on-Fats.html

The Great Con-ola

Written by Sally Fallon and G. Enig, PhD

" Even the dogma that monounsaturated fatty acids are good for the heart is at

risk. According to a 1998 report, mice fed a diet containing monounsaturated

fats were more likely to develop atherosclerosis than mice fed a diet containing

saturated fat.29 In fact, the mice fed monounsaturated fats were even more prone

to heart disease than those fed polyunsaturated fatty acids.

This means that the type of diet recommended in books like The Omega Diet--low

in protective saturates, bolstered with high levels of omega-3 fatty acids and

relying on monounsaturated fatty acids, whether from olive or canola oil, for

the majority of fat calories--may actually contribute to heart disease. Such

diets have been presented with great marketing finesse, but we need to recognize

them for what they are--payola for the food companies and con-ola for the

public. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/The-Great-Con-ola.html

When push comes to shove I side with the Weston Price Foundation and others.

Bruce

Re: Re: stephs recipe for flush

> All oils that are manufactured and processed are toxic.

there are no studies that show anything but healthy results from using on

Medline or Medscape or any other collection of published studies, and they did

not necessarily use specially processed canola either.

I find it hard to believe you would say this. It is common knowledge refining of

these oils make them toxic. The only ones who say otherwise work for or are

influenced by the oil industry. If you are telling people the bottles of clear

canola oil lining the shelves of grocery stores are safe and healthy then you

are seriously and dangerously wrong/

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Biochemist

Hello Bruce,

On Apr 4, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Bruce P wrote:

>

>

> Some of the problems with canola oil:

>

> Most all canola is now GMO.

use organic only...that is not GMO

> It can be found properly processed but not often.

find one that is...

> All oils that are manufactured and processed are toxic.

there are no studies that show anything but healthy results from using on

Medline or Medscape or any other collection of published studies, and they did

not necessarily use specially processed canola either.

> Extra virgin olive oil isn't and within reason can be healthy.

That can be used too, however,many people, including myself have trouble keeping

a quantity of it down without vomiting in the night after a few uses, even if

they love the stuff.

And there is also a problem of many labeled extra virgin that are not too...that

was in the news several years ago. So I only recommend organic here too.

>

> Canola contains 5% saturated fat, 57% oleic acid (mono), 23% omega-6 and

10%-15% omega-3. according to Enig.

>

> Oils high in omega 6 contribute to weight gain, and add to thyroid hormone

resistance.

Please read my US Patent from 1996 that used canola oil and olive as the best

weight loss aid over all the other oils. This was issued when no other diet

patents had ever been issued, when there were at that time over 28,000 other

diets registered in the uS that could not show efficacy, and when the clinical

trials for it lasted 8 yrs. Clinical trial subjects were able to get off all

diabetes meds as well as antidepressants, and nobody that was on the diet ever

developed IR or thyroid hormone resistance....in fact those that were on thyroid

meds were able to actually reduce their meds according to the reduction of their

body mass. My research was the foundation of all the current low carb, high oil

and high protein diets out there, including the Atkins and Zone diets. I was

doing clinical trials with oils back in the 70's with horses and with humans in

the 80's. I tested all oils that were on the market at that time. Only the ones

high in mono's were effective in weight loss, irregardless of the other

parameters. Also had reduction or elimination of high autoantibody titres in the

trial participants too. And nobody ever developed ketosis. We did not have

organic meats available back then, but the meats we used most successfully were

beef, pork and lamb, surgically trimmed of fat. We also used eggs and butter. So

it depends on how you use the oils, which you use and how the oils are

incorporated into the diet.

> But they are still essential but need omega 3 ballance. Modern diets are way

too high in 6, adding 3 can lead to too much of both. This is where pastured

meat/eggs help as they have the ballance needed by the body to be healthy.

pastured is always better, to be sure.

>

> During the deodorizing process, the omega-3 fatty acids of processed canola

oil are transformed into trans fatty acids, similar to those in margarine and

possibly more dangerous. A recent study indicates that " heart healthy " canola

oil actually creates a deficiency of vitamin E, a vitamin required for a healthy

cardiovascular system. Other studies indicate that even low-erucic-acid canola

oil causes heart lesions, particularly when the diet is low in saturated fat.

Nobody in my 8 yrs of clinical trials ever had a problem like this. Vit E was

supplemented as it would be in any diet. The docs monitoring these very obese

trial participants were very skeptical and cautious and actually overdid the

testing to monitor them because of the fear they had of them drinking 1/4 cup of

oil a day. The docs were amazed at how good they did.

Linsey

>

> Saturated fat has now been proven to be healthy. The amount of olive oil to do

the flush shouldn't be a concern for weight gain, the benefits outweigh that (no

pun intended )

>

> Bruce

>

>

>