Re: stephs recipe for flush

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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "ladybugsandbees" <ladybugsandbees@...>Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:55:42 -0400<iodine >Subject: Re: Re: B-12 too High!No I did what my doc gave me. Take 4 - 6 oz organic Apple Juice morning and night for 1 week.After one week and after dinner ingest 4-6 oz organic olive oil and 4-6 oz organic lemon juice.Lay on right side for 30 mins then retire to bed.In the morning drink 4-6 oz water of juice with 3 TBS Epsom Salts. Prepare to be home for the day..... Â B-12 too High!> > Â > > I have been taking ATP Cofactors (Niacin & Riboflavin) for over a year,> and B-12 tincture, and a vitamin B mix.> > Now my B-12 is too high, and I am eight days late on my period.> > I stopped the B-12.> > Should I stop the others too?> > Can someone explain the difference between the B's?> > Can someone explain my it would mess up my period?> > Thanks,> Ali> PS I am not pregnant>

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I see am mistake - I added it below in red.

Steph

Take 4 - 6 oz organic Apple Juice morning and night for 1 week.

After one week and 1/2 hour after dinner ingest 4-6 oz organic olive oil and 4-6 oz organic lemon juice.

Lay on right side for 30 mins then retire to bed.

In the morning drink 4-6 oz water of juice with 3 TBS Epsom Salts.

 B-12 too High!> >  > > I have been taking ATP Cofactors (Niacin & Riboflavin) for over a year,> and B-12 tincture, and a vitamin B mix.> > Now my B-12 is too high, and I am eight days late on my period.> > I stopped the B-12.> > Should I stop the others too?> > Can someone explain the difference between the B's?> > Can someone explain my it would mess up my period?> > Thanks,> Ali> PS I am not pregnant>

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Thanks, Steph...What is the flush for exacatly? Liver? Gall bladder?

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> > I have been taking ATP Cofactors (Niacin & Riboflavin) for over a

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My doctor's sheet called it a gallbladder / liver flush.

Steph

 B-12 too High!> > > >  > > > > I have been taking ATP Cofactors (Niacin & Riboflavin) for over a year,> > and B-12 tincture, and a vitamin B mix.> > > > Now my B-12 is too high, and I am eight days late on my period.> > > > I stopped the B-12.> > > > Should I stop the others too?> > > > Can someone explain the difference between the B's?> > > > Can someone explain my it would mess up my period?> > > > Thanks,> > Ali> > PS I am not pregnant> >>

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I read up on it, & supposedly a lot of the stuff you do in the protocol is designed to soften the stones up so they will pass easily, or dilate the ducts. I read that only 1 or 2% of people have problems with a stone getting stuck. I still haven't done it. I parted company with my gall bladder some years ago, & supposedly you should still do it if you have no gall bladder. But it does not sound like a lot of fun. One guy on another list I am on swears that it made him feel like a million bucks after it was over...AnneOn Apr 3, 2010, at 2:33 PM, cyndiann wrote: On 4/1/2010 2:35 PM, ladybugsandbees wrote: > > >  > > I see am mistake - I added it below in red. > Steph > Take 4 - 6 oz organic Apple Juice morning and night for 1 week. > After one week and 1/2 hour after dinner ingest 4-6 oz organic olive oil > and 4-6 oz organic lemon juice. > Lay on right side for 30 mins then retire to bed. > In the morning drink 4-6 oz water of juice with 3 TBS Epsom Salts. Is this safe to do if you know you have gall stones? I'd love to dump mine but I'm afraid a stone would get stuck someplace painful. Cyndi

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My doc said that he has used it successfully even when he could see stones on the ultrasound. You just need to make sure you do the apple juice to soften them. I have heard you can do malic acid instead of juice if you are diabetic.

Steph

Re: Re: stephs recipe for flush

On 4/1/2010 2:35 PM, ladybugsandbees wrote:>>> >> I see am mistake - I added it below in red. > Steph> Take 4 - 6 oz organic Apple Juice morning and night for 1 week.> After one week and 1/2 hour after dinner ingest 4-6 oz organic olive oil> and 4-6 oz organic lemon juice.> Lay on right side for 30 mins then retire to bed.> In the morning drink 4-6 oz water of juice with 3 TBS Epsom Salts.Is this safe to do if you know you have gall stones? I'd love to dump mine but I'm afraid a stone would get stuck someplace painful.Cyndi

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On 4/3/2010 6:18 PM, Anne Seals wrote:

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> I read up on it, & supposedly a lot of the stuff you do in the protocol

> is designed to soften the stones up so they will pass easily, or dilate

> the ducts. I read that only 1 or 2% of people have problems with a stone

> getting stuck. I still haven't done it. I parted company with my gall

> bladder some years ago, & supposedly you should still do it if you have

> no gall bladder. But it does not sound like a lot of fun. One guy on

> another list I am on swears that it made him feel like a million bucks

> after it was over...

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> Anne

Thanks for responding. How has the lack of a gall bladder affected you?

If I'm having a lot of pain should I just get it removed or try to clear

the stones?

Cyndi

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I have friends who had their gallbladders removed - a couple who had attacks at

the same time and had the surgery at the same time (what does that tell you

about their diet!!!) - anyway, there are a lot of foods that they are unable to

eat without feeling ill. No pork products, for sure. I think they also have to

be very careful with fried foods, although we should all be very careful with

those anyway!

Pamela

> Thanks for responding. How has the lack of a gall bladder affected you?

> If I'm having a lot of pain should I just get it removed or try to clear

> the stones?

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> Cyndi

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If you have stones is it a good idea to either

use a herb than can help to break up the stones or something like SuperPhos 30.  SuperPhos is ortho-phosphoric acid and helps to

remove calcium and lipids (fats) from the arteries and can help to bring

cholesterol metabolism to the normal range. Phosphoric acid, working along with

malic acid that is found in apple juice, helps to dissolve and soften

gallstones in the gallbladder. Pour one ounce of it

into a gallon of apple juice.  The apple

juice should be fresh, organic apple juice. 

Whole Foods carries it in the glass gallon jugs as do many other grocery

stores.  If you use SuperPhos 30 make

sure that you brush your teeth after every drink. If

you would rather use a herb instead of SuperPhos 30 then I recommend Wildcrafted Chanca

Piedra.

I require my clients who know for sure that they have gallstones or have had a

recent gallbladder attack to use the SuperPhos 30 for the first flush.  For the next two flushes (everyone performs 3

back-to-back flushes with 5-7 days in between each one) they can then use

LivaPure (contains wildcrafted Chanca Piedra). 

I also have them drink 4 eight-ounce glasses of the apple juice mixture

for four days and then perform the actual flush on the fifth day.

There are many “versions†of this flush. 

I have never witnessed anyone, who followed the protocol correctly, have

to deal with getting a stone stuck.

God gave us gallbladders for a purpose. 

I had mine removed in 2000 because I didn’t know any better and I so

wished I would have know then what I know now. 

Once removed fat metabolism is difficult, at best. We need to be able to

digest good fats appropriately in order to stay healthy.  Many people still have pain in the

gallbladder area after removal.  It also

makes it difficult for many to keep weight off. 

Conventional medicine surgeons will tell you that you don’t need your

gallbladder.  The truth is that you can

certainly live without it, but there will most likely be side-effects that you

will have to deal with for the rest of your life.  Good article about gallbladder removal at: http://www.gallbladderattack.com/gallbladdersurgery.shtml

Be Well

Dr.L

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Is this safe to do if you know you have gall stones?

I'd love to dump

mine but I'm afraid a stone would get stuck someplace painful.

Cyndi

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I had my gall bladder removed years ago in my early 20's. For a few years, I

had to be careful about eating pizza, but after that had no problem eating

anything, anytime. I do eat better these days since I've learned a bit. I

still would prefer to have my gall bladder since it was put there for a reason.

Perhaps, my other organs are putting up the slack.

Debbie

> I have friends who had their

> gallbladders removed - a couple who had attacks at the same

> time and had the surgery at the same time (what does that

> tell you about their diet!!!) - anyway, there are a lot of

> foods that they are unable to eat without feeling ill. 

> No pork products, for sure.  I think they also have to

> be very careful with fried foods, although we should all be

> very careful with those anyway!

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> Pamela

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> > Thanks for responding. How has the lack of a gall

> bladder affected you?

> > If I'm having a lot of pain should I just get it

> removed or try to clear

> > the stones?

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> > Cyndi

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Here is a slightly different variation using Phosfood in addition to the apple

juice to soften the stones and an herbal laxative instead of epsom salts:

http://www.healingformula.net/program.htm

I haven't done this one in a while so I guess I'm due.

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> I read up on it, & supposedly a lot of the stuff you do in the

> protocol is designed to soften the stones up so they will pass

> easily, or dilate the ducts....

> > > Take 4 - 6 oz organic Apple Juice morning and night for 1 week.

> > > After one week and 1/2 hour after dinner ingest 4-6 oz organic

> > olive oil

> > > and 4-6 oz organic lemon juice.

> > > Lay on right side for 30 mins then retire to bed.

> > > In the morning drink 4-6 oz water of juice with 3 TBS Epsom Salts....

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I was very interested in trying Steph's flush recipe, but the 4-6 ounces of

olive oil scares me...I've already gained weight from what I believe is detox

associated with iodine...4-6 ounces of oil is a lot of calories...It's probably

a day's worth for me.

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> > I see am mistake - I added it below in red.

> > Steph

> > Take 4 - 6 oz organic Apple Juice morning and night for 1 week.

> > After one week and 1/2 hour after dinner ingest 4-6 oz organic olive oil

> > and 4-6 oz organic lemon juice.

> > Lay on right side for 30 mins then retire to bed.

> > In the morning drink 4-6 oz water of juice with 3 TBS Epsom Salts.

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> Is this safe to do if you know you have gall stones? I'd love to dump

> mine but I'm afraid a stone would get stuck someplace painful.

>

> Cyndi

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You aren’t taking it long-term, in which case I would

agree it is worth considering. Consider, on the other hand, how

inefficiently our bodies are eliminating toxins and how fat is built up as a

result of our bodies’ elimination systems not functioning properly. Your

body can handle the olive oil on a short term basis like a cleanse. I’ve

never gained weight from doing this cleanse.

Pamela

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Subject: Re: stephs recipe for flush

I was very interested in trying Steph's flush

recipe, but the 4-6 ounces of olive oil scares me...I've already gained weight

from what I believe is detox associated with iodine...4-6 ounces of oil is a

lot of calories...It's probably a day's worth for me.

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can someone tell me why is pork forbidden?? I mean if u choose lean pork, is it still a problem?From: Pamela <prov31mom23@...>iodine Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 1:08:27 AMSubject: Re: stephs recipe for flush

I have friends who had their gallbladders removed - a couple who had attacks at the same time and had the surgery at the same time (what does that tell you about their diet!!!) - anyway, there are a lot of foods that they are unable to eat without feeling ill. No pork products, for sure. I think they also have to be very careful with fried foods, although we should all be very careful with those anyway!

Pamela

> Thanks for responding. How has the lack of a gall bladder affected you?

> If I'm having a lot of pain should I just get it removed or try to clear

> the stones?

>

> Cyndi

>

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Pork isn't the problem. it's the fat in the pork that is the problem, because pigs have a lot of fat. The gallbladder stores bile, which is used to emulsify fats. If you don't have enough bile to break down the fat, it passes through and causes loose stools. That's my limited understanding of bile.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Apr 4, 2010, at 5:40 AM, iodine wrote:can someone tell me why is pork forbidden?? I mean if u choose lean pork, is it still a problem?

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ok I see but some lean pork is less fat than some beef parts I guess so..From: Joanne <jojo@...>iodine Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 4:43:49 PMSubject: Re: stephs recipe for flush

Pork isn't the problem. it's the fat in the pork that is the problem, because pigs have a lot of fat. The gallbladder stores bile, which is used to emulsify fats. If you don't have enough bile to break down the fat, it passes through and causes loose stools. That's my limited understanding of bile.Joannewww.joanneunleashed .comOn Apr 4, 2010, at 5:40 AM, iodinegroups (DOT) com wrote:can someone tell me why is pork forbidden?? I mean if u choose lean pork, is it still a problem?

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Pigs don't have sweat glands, that's why they like

wallows, to stay cool. Impurities tend to build up

in pigs because of this. And then there is the

trichinosis issue. This is why they're verboten

for kosher diets and Muslims. They're considered

unclean animals. Shell fish and lobsters and stuff

like that for the same reason. Or at least that's

what I've read anyway. Fir the time, the old

dietary and health laws in the OT make sense,

seeing as they really didn't know how to 'cure'

some things. And there were no hospitals like we

have today, or NDs either. If they were lucky they

had an herbalist living close enough they could

visit, if not they had to travel a long way for

'cures'.. Knowing what we do today about

prevention and wellness some of those laws 'may'

be pretty unnecessary.

It's pretty dry reading but those of you not

familiar with the OT dietary and health laws might

find it interesting reading, if you read in view

of what we know about disease and prevention these

days.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Caroline Croon wrote:

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> can someone tell me why is pork forbidden?? I mean if u choose lean

> pork, is it still a problem?

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> *From:* Pamela <prov31mom23@ roadrunner. com>

> *To:* iodinegroups (DOT) com

> *Sent:* Sun, April 4, 2010 1:08:27 AM

> *Subject:* Re: stephs recipe for flush

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> I have friends who had their gallbladders removed - a couple who had

> attacks at the same time and had the surgery at the same time (what does

> that tell you about their diet!!!) - anyway, there are a lot of foods

> that they are unable to eat without feeling ill. No pork products, for

> sure. I think they also have to be very careful with fried foods,

> although we should all be very careful with those anyway!

>

> Pamela

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> > Thanks for responding. How has the lack of a gall bladder affected you?

> > If I'm having a lot of pain should I just get it removed or try to clear

> > the stones?

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> > Cyndi

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On 4/3/2010 9:23 PM, Debbie wrote:

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> I had my gall bladder removed years ago in my early 20's. For a few

> years, I had to be careful about eating pizza, but after that had no

> problem eating anything, anytime. I do eat better these days since I've

> learned a bit. I still would prefer to have my gall bladder since it was

> put there for a reason. Perhaps, my other organs are putting up the slack.

>

> Debbie

Funny you should mention pizza. My last two attacks were, I think, pizza

related although I've eaten it for years even after the stones. I had no

idea pizza could do that! Now I'm afraid to eat it of course.

Cyndi

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On 4/4/2010 12:29 PM, YardBirdMail wrote:

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> Pigs don't have sweat glands, that's why they like

> wallows, to stay cool. Impurities tend to build up

> in pigs because of this. And then there is the

> trichinosis issue.

From what I've researched trichinosis is no longer an issue, to the

point where you don't have to cook it well done anymore. And it is also

true that pork is a lot less fatty than it was 10-20 years ago,

sometimes to the point where modern pork comes out dry when cooked

because it doesn't have enough fat.

The diet part is really killing me because I have to go high protein,

low carb because of other problems I have, including diabetes. It seems

as if low carb is almost directly opposite of the diet recommended for

gall bladder problems.

Cyndi

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Cyndi,I have exactly the same issue, I have to follow a low carb diet for glycemia issues and for candidiasis but its not good for the gb! oh dear...From: cyndiann <cyndiann9@...>iodine Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 7:41:11 PMSubject: Re: Re: stephs

recipe for flush

On 4/4/2010 12:29 PM, YardBirdMail wrote:

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> Pigs don't have sweat glands, that's why they like

> wallows, to stay cool. Impurities tend to build up

> in pigs because of this. And then there is the

> trichinosis issue.

From what I've researched trichinosis is no longer an issue, to the

point where you don't have to cook it well done anymore. And it is also

true that pork is a lot less fatty than it was 10-20 years ago,

sometimes to the point where modern pork comes out dry when cooked

because it doesn't have enough fat.

The diet part is really killing me because I have to go high protein,

low carb because of other problems I have, including diabetes. It seems

as if low carb is almost directly opposite of the diet recommended for

gall bladder problems.

Cyndi

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Actually, the pig was worshipped and it was to distinguish the Israelites from pagan nations. There is a lot more than that behind the kosher laws, but hygiene wasn't the main issue. Birds of prey are also excluded, and in similar respects, shellfish fit that category. There is a distinct separation between life and death. Unclean isn't exactly dirty, but ritually unfit."PIGS... This is why they're verboten for kosher diets and Muslims. They're considered unclean animals. Shell fish and lobsters and stuff like that for the same reason. Or at least that's what I've read anyway. Fir the time, the old dietary and health laws in the OT make sense, seeing as they really didn't know how to 'cure' some things. And there were no hospitals like we have today, or NDs either. If they were lucky they had an herbalist living close enough they could visit, if not they had to travel a long way for 'cures'.. Knowing what we do today about prevention and wellness some of those laws 'may' be pretty unnecessary.It's pretty dry reading but those of you not familiar with the OT dietary and health laws might find it interesting reading, if you read in view of what we know about disease and prevention these days."Bethann

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iodine From: erosewall@...Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 15:36:27 -0400Subject: Re: stephs recipe for flush

Actually, the pig was worshipped and it was to distinguish the Israelites from pagan nations. There is a lot more than that behind the kosher laws, but hygiene wasn't the main issue. Birds of prey are also excluded, and in similar respects, shellfish fit that category. There is a distinct separation between life and death. Unclean isn't exactly dirty, but ritually unfit.

"PIGS... This is why they're verboten for kosher diets and Muslims. They're considered unclean animals. Shell fish and lobsters and stuff like that for the same reason. Or at least that's what I've read anyway. Fir the time, the old dietary and health laws in the OT make sense, seeing as they really didn't know how to 'cure' some things. And there were no hospitals like we have today, or NDs either. If they were lucky they had an herbalist living close enough they could visit, if not they had to travel a long way for 'cures'.. Knowing what we do today about prevention and wellness some of those laws 'may' be pretty unnecessary.It's pretty dry reading but those of you not familiar with the OT dietary and health laws might find it interesting reading, if you read in view of what we know about disease and prevention these days."Bethann

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That's not what the Book says. It may have been

ritually unclean, but these animals are unclean in

like they were really dirty, and some are still

dirty(germy) today. I see unclean as meaning just

that, germy. Ravens, and vultures, eat other dead

things that can be infected with anything, and are

decomposing already. Birds of prey eat fresh

kills, all kinds of animals from everywhere. You

cannot control what diseased animal they might

eat, or what diseases carried by other animals

they might have been in contact with, rabies,

lice, mange, fleas, ticks, etc., etc., etc. Think

about all the disease that are spread by contact

with infected flesh or bodily fluids, and/or by

insects from those infected animals that you have

heard of.

Crabs, shark and some other crustaceans will eat

anything also, they're the garbage cans of the

sea. There was a bumper crop of crabs after Pearl

Harbor. So will pigs, they're omnivorous and will

eat anything including other dead animals, humans.

Anything. That is fact, not something I made up.

So knowing that, yeah the health and dietary laws

make sense if you wanted to keep people

healthy(clean) if you will. Nowadays they keep

pigs fenced in and feed them grains and other

stuff, but they still tend to get degenerative

diseases, arthritis, and such because of the

problems they have getting rid of toxins.

Crustaceans and catfish have a buildup of toxins

in their systems. Catfish because they are bottom

feeders and toxins that fall out of suspension

concentrate in mud at the bottoms of lakes and

such. No fins or gills don't eat it.

You seem to think the " God " that supposedly wrote

those laws is stupid or something. There are also

laws about contagious diseases and mold in houses

for example. I've read the whole thing many times.

It reads like a primitive health manual. They

couldn't just say it's for your own good, LMAO, no

one would have obeyed, they had to reinforce it

with the idea that " God " will get you if you

disobey these laws.

You may believe it was all ritual if you like, and

to separate the peoples, but in reality it was a

stone that killed two birds. When " God " ordered

all the beasts and people killed right down to the

infants, I'm thinking it was not simply because of

" sin " per se. It was probably because the people

carried a blood born pathogen, a defective gene,

or sexually transmitted disease that couldn't be

cured. Otherwise the orders wouldn't have been

different for different battles. In some cases

only unmarried virgins could be taken as captives,

that says sexually transmitted pathogen to me. It

might have been wrapped up in religious terms but

it was stone cold pragmatism.

And touching dead bodies? Puhleease. Back then you

didn't know what a person had died from. You could

catch all kinds of things from a dead body, there

was no refrigeration,and the bacterial breakdown

(decomposition) of the body begins right away, so

it is dirty. So yeah believe it was allll ritual

if you like, but I see something entirely different.

And after reading the whole thing yeah they

all(the health and dietary laws) read like public

health rules. Most people don't see it because

they're reading it from a religious oriented

perspective instead of a stay healthy, stay well

perspective.

It was an ingeniously engineered plan, and because

it was wrapped up in religion, and " ordered by

God " , and made into civil law too, of course

people were going to follow it. Sacred and civil

all wrapped up in one tidy package.

Now the feasts and festivals were mostly entirely

ritual, but there was supposedly foreshadowing in

them.

And yeah it would separate the Jews because no one

else could figure out why they did the things they

did. They didn't understand germs and pathogens,

and incubation periods back then.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that,

because I definitely don't agree with you about

the just ritually clean and separating the peoples

point. Those laws were definitely made to keep

people healthy in an ancient environment.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

e Rosewall wrote:

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> Actually, the pig was worshipped and it was to distinguish the

> Israelites from pagan nations. There is a lot more than that behind the

> kosher laws, but hygiene wasn't the main issue. Birds of prey are also

> excluded, and in similar respects, shellfish fit that category. There is

> a distinct separation between life and death. Unclean isn't exactly

> dirty, but ritually unfit.

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> Nowadays they keep

>pigs fenced in and feed them grains and other

>stuff, but they still tend to get degenerative

>diseases, arthritis, and such because of the

>problems they have getting rid of toxins.

I think most biblical scholars say that in some cases practical reasons for

the dietary restrictions can be identified, but not all can be rationalized

that way. So really the answer is, both.

I don't eat pork so I can't contribute to the conversation about that. But,

just quickly, I'm not sure where this info is coming from but I'm not sure

it's true. I keep two pet pigs and know a little about them. Farm pigs have

been bred to be way too big for their organs and their legs, and that has

resulted in some of the arthritis and heart issues they can have. It's

really not true that their toxins stay in them because they don't sweat--

urination and defecation are two routes-- and a lot of other animals do not

sweat-- most do not. However, smaller pigs are being studied in science

labs because of their amazing capacity for healing-- pigs heal themselves

from skin cancers, among other wonders. Science wants to know why they are

such amazing healers and is doing all kinds of things to them to find

out. To the pigs' regret, no doubt.

They are also fastidious in their habits if they have enough room to create

separate areas for sleeping, eating, bathing, and excreting. They are the

4th smartest animal group, starting with humans, apes, whales and dolphins,

and then pigs.

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--A.J. Muste

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Pigs are very close to us humans in their makeup too, for years pigskin has been used to help human burn victims, and of course we know we take porcine thyroid to help humans who need it because they are so close to us in their makeup. very interesting.

Re: Re: stephs recipe for flush

> Nowadays they keep>pigs fenced in and feed them grains and other>stuff, but they still tend to get degenerative>diseases, arthritis, and such because of the>problems they have getting rid of toxins.I think most biblical scholars say that in some cases practical reasons for the dietary restrictions can be identified, but not all can be rationalized that way. So really the answer is, both.I don't eat pork so I can't contribute to the conversation about that. But, just quickly, I'm not sure where this info is coming from but I'm not sure it's true. I keep two pet pigs and know a little about them. Farm pigs have been bred to be way too big for their organs and their legs, and that has resulted in some of the arthritis and heart issues they can have. It's really not true that their toxins stay in them because they don't sweat-- urination and defecation are two routes-- and a lot of other animals do not sweat-- most do not. However, smaller pigs are being studied in science labs because of their amazing capacity for healing-- pigs heal themselves from skin cancers, among other wonders. Science wants to know why they are such amazing healers and is doing all kinds of things to them to find out. To the pigs' regret, no doubt.They are also fastidious in their habits if they have enough room to create separate areas for sleeping, eating, bathing, and excreting. They are the 4th smartest animal group, starting with humans, apes, whales and dolphins, and then pigs.--~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste