Re: Weight gain and Iodine

[Guest guest]

Donna...S you think your weight gain was mostly because you weren't good about

consistently taking the companion nutrients?

[Guest guest]

I consistently take the companion nutrients, but I don’t consistently

take the extra  ½ tsp salt and extra vit C later in the day.

Donna in IL

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of lookonthebriteside

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Donna...S you think your weight gain was mostly

because you weren't good about consistently taking the companion nutrients?

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure I understand the sea salt strategy with iodine...I take 1.5 tsp per

day for adrenal fatigue anyway. It's not listed on the companion nutrients that

I can see, only on the strategy for detox. So, for someone who already takes sea

salt, would they add to what they already take, only when have detox symptoms

arise?...or should they increase sea salt everyday with iodine?

>

> I consistently take the companion nutrients, but I don't consistently take the

extra ½ tsp salt and extra vit C later in the day.

>

> Donna in IL

>

> From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

lookonthebriteside

> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM

> iodine

> Subject: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

>

>

>

> Donna...S you think your weight gain was mostly because you weren't good about

consistently taking the companion nutrients?

>

> ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

That’s sounds like a good base amount of salt Sherry. I found 1 tsp to be a good base for me now but I am only 5 feet tall. So you would salt load only for a bromide detox reaction.

Engtovo

Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Posted by: "lookonthebriteside" slehr05@... lookonthebriteside

Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:35 am (PST)

I'm not sure I understand the sea salt strategy with iodine...I take 1.5 tsp per day for adrenal fatigue anyway. It's not listed on the companion nutrients that I can see, only on the strategy for detox. So, for someone who already takes sea salt, would they add to what they already take, only when have detox symptoms arise?...or should they increase sea salt everyday with iodine?

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Engtovo...So only if some detox symptoms actually manifest should I

increase my sea salt? I don't mean to be a pain in the a**...I just want to be

clear because I've heard several people mention that detox is sometimes " silent "

with no symptoms.

>

> That's sounds like a good base amount of salt Sherry. I found 1 tsp to be a

good base for me now but I am only 5 feet tall. So you would salt load only for

a bromide detox reaction.

>

> Engtovo

>

> Re: Weight gain and Iodine

> Posted by: " lookonthebriteside " slehr05@... lookonthebriteside

> Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:35 am (PST)

>

>

> I'm not sure I understand the sea salt strategy with iodine...I take 1.5 tsp

per day for adrenal fatigue anyway. It's not listed on the companion nutrients

that I can see, only on the strategy for detox. So, for someone who already

takes sea salt, would they add to what they already take, only when have detox

symptoms arise?...or should they increase sea salt everyday with iodine?

>

[Guest guest]

correct again

This weight issue coming up is the only thing that I come across on the list that I am aware of that could be considered a silent symptom since the possible puzzle pieces weren’t put together yet.

Engtovo

Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Posted by: "lookonthebriteside" slehr05@... lookonthebriteside

Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:51 pm (PST)

Thanks, Engtovo...So only if some detox symptoms actually manifest should I increase my sea salt? I don't mean to be a pain in the a**...I just want to be clear because I've heard several people mention that detox is sometimes "silent" with no symptoms.

[Guest guest]

Actually, I thought that when others mentioned what I called " silent " detox, it

meant that they were detoxing without any symptoms. In other words detox doesn't

always have symptoms...It may be going on when we don't even know. Is my

understanding correct?

I think the idea that weight gain is a detox symptom just arose yesterday. If we

recognize it as a symptom (which seems reasonable), then it's not really

silent...It would be a big deal to me!

Regardless, extra salt and vitamin C are only warranted when actual symptoms of

detox are present (which would include weight gain)?

Sherry

>

> correct again

>

> This weight issue coming up is the only thing that I come across on the list

that I am aware of that could be considered a silent symptom since the possible

puzzle pieces weren't put together yet.

>

> Engtovo

[Guest guest]

Donna,I think the vitamin C is really a key and for me I don't detox without a B complex but I used to be very toxic and had 8 illnesses. Still iodine took away fibroids in 3 months. I think attention to liver help also got the weight to leave. NAC and liver support like silymarin or ultraclear shake both helped me to get out of the plateau and lose weight again. Someone on the list told me about beyondacentury.com vitamin c powder that tastes like lime. Easier to add to water and then not get diahrea from too much C for the body all at once which just makes things both easier and cheap. Pam

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Donna Iler <Donna@...> wrote:

 

I have been thinking a lot about the weight gain as a toxic side

effect because I have continued to gain weight – was gaining slowly all

along, that 40 year old thing – even after taking iodine for a year.

 

I think what the problem is, is that I have never had any of the

other detox symptoms, which are immediate and make you feel bad –

headache, rash, runny nose, etc. Gaining weight is painless in the immediate

time period after taking my iodine, so then I forget to take more vit C and

salt later in the day. Do you get what I mean? If I had a headache, I would be

running to take the extra salt and vit C to clear out the toxins and get rid of

the headache. But I feel fine, and forget!

 

This month I have been challenged to get in shape for a ski trip

at the beginning of Feb, so have been working out and really watching what I

eat. Now we already eat well, lots of natural grown protein, fruits and veggies

and low gluten whole grains, so mostly it is portion control. For the first

time in 3 years, I am losing weight! In 3 weeks I have lost 6 lbs. So it is

possible, and maybe I have finally got enough iodine working in my body to

start the losing effect. Has it been worth it to gain some weight on the

iodine? You bet! I feel a hundred times better in general, so the extra has

been worth it.

 

I just need to remember that my detox is silent and to take the steps

to clear toxins anyway.

 

Donna in IL

[Guest guest]

why do people gain weight on iodoral thanks

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:19 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Actually, I thought that when others mentioned what I called "silent" detox, it meant that they were detoxing without any symptoms. In other words detox doesn't always have symptoms...It may be going on when we don't even know. Is my understanding correct? I think the idea that weight gain is a detox symptom just arose yesterday. If we recognize it as a symptom (which seems reasonable), then it's not really silent...It would be a big deal to me!Regardless, extra salt and vitamin C are only warranted when actual symptoms of detox are present (which would include weight gain)?Sherry>> correct again > > This weight issue coming up is the only thing that I come across on the list that I am aware of that could be considered a silent symptom since the possible puzzle pieces weren't put together yet.> > Engtovo

[Guest guest]

Swollen hands and feet: Make sure that you are taking all the supplements recommended on this site, especially the right kind of salt. Read the files on this, if you have not done so already. Fibrojay

[Guest guest]

If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the process.

Engtovo

Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Posted by: "lookonthebriteside" slehr05@... lookonthebriteside

Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:22 pm (PST)

Actually, I thought that when others mentioned what I called "silent" detox, it meant that they were detoxing without any symptoms. In other words detox doesn't always have symptoms...It may be going on when we don't even know. Is my understanding correct? I think the idea that weight gain is a detox symptom just arose yesterday. If we recognize it as a symptom (which seems reasonable), then it's not really silent...It would be a big deal to me!Regardless, extra salt and vitamin C are only warranted when actual symptoms of detox are present (which would include weight gain)?Sherry

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Engtovo...You said:

If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are

successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just

detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and

fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the

process.

This brings me back to a question that I've had all along...How do you know

when you are on a high enough or optimal level of iodine?

Sherry

>

> If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you

are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just

detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and

fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the

process.

>

> Engtovo

>

> Re: Weight gain and Iodine

> Posted by: " lookonthebriteside " slehr05@... lookonthebriteside

> Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:22 pm (PST)

>

>

> Actually, I thought that when others mentioned what I called " silent " detox,

it meant that they were detoxing without any symptoms. In other words detox

doesn't always have symptoms...It may be going on when we don't even know. Is my

understanding correct?

>

> I think the idea that weight gain is a detox symptom just arose yesterday. If

we recognize it as a symptom (which seems reasonable), then it's not really

silent...It would be a big deal to me!

>

> Regardless, extra salt and vitamin C are only warranted when actual symptoms

of detox are present (which would include weight gain)?

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

does anyone get fluid retention in hands whilst on iodoral and if so what can you do

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:04 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Thank you, Engtovo...You said:If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the process.This brings me back to a question that I've had all along...How do you know when you are on a high enough or optimal level of iodine?Sherry>> If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the process.> > Engtovo> > Re: Weight gain and Iodine > Posted by: "lookonthebriteside" slehr05@... lookonthebriteside > Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:22 pm (PST) > > > Actually, I thought that when others mentioned what I called "silent" detox, it meant that they were detoxing without any symptoms. In other words detox doesn't always have symptoms...It may be going on when we don't even know. Is my understanding correct? > > I think the idea that weight gain is a detox symptom just arose yesterday. If we recognize it as a symptom (which seems reasonable), then it's not really silent...It would be a big deal to me!> > Regardless, extra salt and vitamin C are only warranted when actual symptoms of detox are present (which would include weight gain)?> > Sherry>

[Guest guest]

Fibrojay...By right kind of salt, you just mean unrefined sea salt? It doesn't

have to be a specific type like Himalayan or Celtic...Any unrefined sea salt

would be good for our purposes, right?

Sherry

>

> Swollen hands and feet: Make sure that you are taking all the supplements

> recommended on this site, especially the right kind of salt. Read the

> files on this, if you have not done so already. Fibrojay

>

[Guest guest]

I remember an old adage, Greek I think, and it goes something like this: When

you see a thin person you will find salt.

>...> This weight issue coming up is the only thing that I come across on the

list that I am aware of that could be considered a silent symptom since the

possible puzzle pieces weren't put together yet.>

> Engtovo

>

> Re: Weight gain and Iodine

> ...> Thanks, Engtovo...So only if some detox symptoms actually manifest should

I increase my sea salt? I don't mean to be a pain in the a**...I just want to be

clear because I've heard several people mention that detox is sometimes " silent "

with no symptoms.

>

[Guest guest]

That is the question. Several things I have read over the months speculate that less then 25 mg is not enough to push the bromide out and there is a lot out there saying now that 50 mg should be the minimum dose to work up to keep it out. Of course it is dependant on conditions like the breast cancer site says for breast cancer 50 mg is minimum. We should be taking into consideration the weight of the individual as well. Just because we are adults doesn't mean the same dose is appropriate for all of us. All we really have is speculation unless you are working with a iodine doc who is doing the loading test and bromide levels with you over time on different doses of iodine. That is why many of us work up to the dose where we have bromide detox symptoms and then back off to a dose that we can take without the symptoms, stay there for a while then see if we can go up again and see how it goes. One step at a time.

Engtovo

Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Posted by: "lookonthebriteside" slehr05@... lookonthebriteside

Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:08 am (PST)

This brings me back to a question that I've had all along...How do you know when you are on a high enough or optimal level of iodine?Sherry

[Guest guest]

How did weight gain get to be a side effect for iodine?

arg

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: lookonthebriteside

Thank you, Engtovo...I started on 12.5 mg 3 days ago. The only possible detox symptoms I've noticed are a strange sensation in my ears, and today, I started having a little bit of a runny nose. I'm terrified of the potential for weight gain now that I've started iodine (I've been eating 1200 calories and can't lose weight that I gained when I started on hydrocortisone, which I'm still on-I previously had no problem losing weight at 1200 calories). I'm 5'2 and probably 130 pounds. Can anyone suggest a good iodine dosing strategy, which would minimize the potential for weight gain? I understand I need to take the companion supplements and do the salt loading for detox symptoms...I'm specifically asking about dosing iodine.Also, I should be doing salt loading for the runny nose, right?Sherry

[Guest guest]

With the discussions on weight gain over the last few days, the idea arose from

Engtovo, I believe, that weight could very likely be a detox symptom from taking

iodine.

>

> How did weight gain get to be a side effect for iodine?

> arg

>

> Bruce

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: lookonthebriteside

>

>

>

>

> Thank you, Engtovo...I started on 12.5 mg 3 days ago. The only possible

detox symptoms I've noticed are a strange sensation in my ears, and today, I

started having a little bit of a runny nose. I'm terrified of the potential for

weight gain now that I've started iodine (I've been eating 1200 calories and

can't lose weight that I gained when I started on hydrocortisone, which I'm

still on-I previously had no problem losing weight at 1200 calories). I'm 5'2

and probably 130 pounds.

>

> Can anyone suggest a good iodine dosing strategy, which would minimize the

potential for weight gain? I understand I need to take the companion supplements

and do the salt loading for detox symptoms...I'm specifically asking about

dosing iodine.

>

> Also, I should be doing salt loading for the runny nose, right?

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

,

This looks like low calcium levels, this from Adele :

Because low calcium levelsact as a stress, the production of cortisone and aldosterone are stimulated and salt and water are retained in the body, often causing the breasts,hands ,face, feet to swell weight to increase 5-10 pounds

If the blood calcium has been allowed to drop so low as to cause stress causing puffiness and weight gain generous amounts of protein,Vit C, pantotheniv acid(B5) are needed in addition to D3, calcium and magnesium.

From: angela pittaway <angela.pittaway@...>Subject: Re: Re: Weight gain and Iodineiodine Date: Friday, 22 January, 2010, 19:16

does anyone get fluid retention in hands whilst on iodoral and if so what can you do

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:04 PM

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Thank you, Engtovo...You said:If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the process.This brings me back to a question that I've had all along...How do you know when you are on a high enough or optimal level of iodine?Sherry>> If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to

replace the bromide and fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the process.> > Engtovo> > Re: Weight gain and Iodine > Posted by: "lookonthebriteside " slehr05@... lookonthebriteside > Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:22 pm (PST) > > > Actually, I thought that when others mentioned what I called "silent" detox, it meant that they were detoxing without any symptoms. In other words detox doesn't always have symptoms...It may be going on when we don't even know. Is my understanding correct? > > I think the idea that weight gain is a detox symptom just arose yesterday. If we recognize it as a symptom (which seems reasonable), then it's not really silent...It would be a big deal to me!> > Regardless, extra salt and vitamin C are only warranted when actual symptoms of detox are present (which would include weight gain)?> >

Sherry>

[Guest guest]

When we got to speculating that since the iodine is killing/displacing virus,

bacteria, bromides etc, and some cant excrete all the toxins, fat is being

created to store the toxins/waste.

Cheryl

>

> How did weight gain get to be a side effect for iodine?

> arg

>

> Bruce

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: lookonthebriteside

>

>

>

>

> Thank you, Engtovo...I started on 12.5 mg 3 days ago. The only possible

detox symptoms I've noticed are a strange sensation in my ears, and today, I

started having a little bit of a runny nose. I'm terrified of the potential for

weight gain now that I've started iodine (I've been eating 1200 calories and

can't lose weight that I gained when I started on hydrocortisone, which I'm

still on-I previously had no problem losing weight at 1200 calories). I'm 5'2

and probably 130 pounds.

>

> Can anyone suggest a good iodine dosing strategy, which would minimize the

potential for weight gain? I understand I need to take the companion supplements

and do the salt loading for detox symptoms...I'm specifically asking about

dosing iodine.

>

> Also, I should be doing salt loading for the runny nose, right?

>

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

This is being blown WAY out of proportion. It doesn't happen to everyone and it is not the end of the world. The main focus is to get the toxins out and get saturated. It's a journey. You have ups and downs. You have issues to deal with but along the way you will get more and more healthy and that is the goal. Exercise, eat well, avoid junk food and you should do fine.

Steph

Re: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

How did weight gain get to be a side effect for iodine?

arg

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

Cheryl here is a different explanation,

This looks like low calcium levels, this from Adele :

Because low calcium levelsact as a stress, the production of cortisone and aldosterone are stimulated and salt and water are retained in the body, often causing the breasts,hands ,face, feet to swell weight to increase 5-10 pounds

If the blood calcium has been allowed to drop so low as to cause stress causing puffiness and weight gain generous amounts of protein,Vit C, pantotheniv acid(B5) are needed in addition to D3, calcium and magnesium.

From: cheryl_b_1 <mossyforrest@...>Subject: Re: Weight gain and Iodineiodine Date: Friday, 22 January, 2010, 23:21

When we got to speculating that since the iodine is killing/displacing virus, bacteria, bromides etc, and some cant excrete all the toxins, fat is being created to store the toxins/waste.Cheryl>> How did weight gain get to be a side effect for iodine?> arg> > Bruce> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lookonthebriteside > > > > > Thank you, Engtovo...I started on 12.5 mg 3 days ago. The only possible detox symptoms I've noticed are a strange sensation in my ears, and today, I started having a little bit of a runny nose. I'm terrified of the potential for weight gain now that I've started iodine (I've been eating 1200 calories

and can't lose weight that I gained when I started on hydrocortisone, which I'm still on-I previously had no problem losing weight at 1200 calories). I'm 5'2 and probably 130 pounds. > > Can anyone suggest a good iodine dosing strategy, which would minimize the potential for weight gain? I understand I need to take the companion supplements and do the salt loading for detox symptoms...I' m specifically asking about dosing iodine.> > Also, I should be doing salt loading for the runny nose, right?> > Sherry>

[Guest guest]

Also very good and plausible.

Cheryl

>

> Cheryl here is a different explanation,

> This looks like low calcium levels, this from Adele :

> Because low calcium levelsact as a stress, the production of cortisone and

aldosterone are stimulated and salt and water are retained in the body, often

causing the breasts,hands ,face, feet to swell weight to increase 5-10 pounds

> If the blood calcium has been allowed to drop so low as to cause stress

causing puffiness and weight gain generous amounts of protein,Vit C, pantotheniv

acid(B5) are needed in addition to D3, calcium and magnesium.

>

[Guest guest]

I agree! The little weight I gained this year I sure don't think had anything to do with the iodine I think it was being laid up asleep 18 hours a day for several weeks. Just a handful of people out of hundreds have said they gained some weight and we don't even have all the details of their individual situations so the chance that someone is going to gain weight due only to adding the iodine protocol to their life seems tiny. In fact it seems more likely that those who had trouble losing will find it easier to lose weight, but iodine is not going to replace a reasonable level of calories or exercise, or solve a deficiency of another nutrient. I think all the fear of bromide detox in general is getting blown out of proportion. If someone gets a symptom try salt loading or lower the dose.

Engtovo

Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Posted by: "ladybugsandbees" ladybugsandbees@... stephanie_a_buist

Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:28 pm (PST)

This is being blown WAY out of proportion. It doesn't happen to everyone and it is not the end of the world. The main focus is to get the toxins out and get saturated. It's a journey. You have ups and downs. You have issues to deal with but along the way you will get more and more healthy and that is the goal. Exercise, eat well, avoid junk food and you should do fine. Steph Re: Re: Weight gain and IodineHow did weight gain get to be a side effect for iodine?argBruce

[Guest guest]

my hair mineral est said calcium levels high

From: david kenna

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:20 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

,

This looks like low calcium levels, this from Adele :

Because low calcium levelsact as a stress, the production of cortisone and aldosterone are stimulated and salt and water are retained in the body, often causing the breasts,hands ,face, feet to swell weight to increase 5-10 pounds

If the blood calcium has been allowed to drop so low as to cause stress causing puffiness and weight gain generous amounts of protein,Vit C, pantotheniv acid(B5) are needed in addition to D3, calcium and magnesium.

From: angela pittaway <angela.pittawaybtinternet>Subject: Re: Re: Weight gain and Iodineiodine Date: Friday, 22 January, 2010, 19:16

does anyone get fluid retention in hands whilst on iodoral and if so what can you do

From: lookonthebriteside

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:04 PM

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Weight gain and Iodine

Thank you, Engtovo...You said:If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the process.This brings me back to a question that I've had all along...How do you know when you are on a high enough or optimal level of iodine?Sherry>> If you are not having any symptoms on a high enough level of iodine then you are successfully moving the bromide out, so technically you are detoxing, just detoxing successfully which would be the goal; to replace the bromide and fluoride with iodine to reach saturation without overwhelming your body in the process.> > Engtovo> > Re: Weight gain and Iodine > Posted by: "lookonthebriteside " slehr05@... lookonthebriteside > Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:22 pm (PST) > > > Actually, I thought that when others mentioned what I called "silent" detox, it meant that they were detoxing without any symptoms. In other words detox doesn't always have symptoms...It may be going on when we don't even know. Is my understanding correct? > > I think the idea that weight gain is a detox symptom just arose yesterday. If we recognize it as a symptom (which seems reasonable), then it's not really silent...It would be a big deal to me!> > Regardless, extra salt and vitamin C are only warranted when actual symptoms of detox are present (which would include weight gain)?> > Sherry>