Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis

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This is a good reply to this complaint. You should keep it and use it again!

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From: Baker <vbaker@...>iodine Sent: Sat, 12 February, 2011 17:45:46Subject: Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis

> > Maybe applying it topically, your body will just absorb what it needs > and not cause too many side effects.There seems to have grown a misconception among some of the newer members that symptoms following iodine ingestion are "side effects" of iodine. They are not. Iodine doesn't have "side effects". Symptoms you may experience are the symptoms caused by bromide detoxification. The iodine causes the body to get rid of bromides, which are poison to the body, and the release of the bromides causes the symptoms.It's actually a good sign because it means you're getting rid of toxins.Also, those detox symptoms usually are transient if your detox pathways are functioning well. Acne is a sign that one's detox pathways are not functioning that well and the bromide is coming out through the skin instead of the urine. Weight gain is an even further sign that detox pathways are

not working well, because there the body is storing the released bromides as fat since they are continuing to circulate and not be removed via urine.If you're painting it on your skin, and feeling good, there is no reason not to also take it internally so you can actually benefit from the higher doses that will create good health.--,moderator of Iodine list> > I still seem to get the best results when I apply it topically to my > stomach. I'm always freezing cold and it warms me right away, 5 minutes > after I apply it. I also sleep like a baby when I put it on my skin > before bed and normally I have trouble sleeping.> > I know it isn't the recommended way, but it seems to work for me. It is > the way they use to use lugols 100 years ago. I think it was painted on > the soles of the feet before bed. When I take it orally, first of all I > can't

stand the taste and it doesn't warm me up. I would probably need a > very high dosage, but just a small patch on my skin warms me right away > and warms my freezing cold hands, and being so cold that I can't even get > through my day is my biggest problem. It seems to be the only way it > works for me.> > I guess you don't have someone like Dr. Brownstein to guide you?> > In Canada here, no naturopaths or doctors seem to recommend iodine at all,> > so I'm completely on my own. The people in this group seem to have a > lot of experience with iodine and I'm new to all of this, but just wanted > to tell you what works for me. I don't know if I'm absorbing enough to > ever heal my thyroid if that's my problem, but it seems to make me feel better.> > And it does seem to still cause some detox symptoms like acne, but no > thyroid pains. The first week or two it

seems to disappear within a few > hours, but then it stays longer the longer you do it. After it is still > on the skin in a 24 hour period is when you are suppose to stop because > you have enough iodine in your body. Then try again in a month. I think > it takes months to get to that point if your really deficient. I never > stuck with it and go back and forth with trying it orally, but when I was > doing it everyday it took over a month to be at the point where it stayed > on my skin for 12 hours. Chlorine takes if off the skin right away, so > you have to have a bath or shower before applying, if your one of us > lucky people that has chlorine in the water.> >> > Corry~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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If iodine raises TSH at first, which would cause hypo symptoms, is that right? how long after starting it does it take usually for the thyroid TSH levels to normalize?

From: Baker <vbaker@...>Subject: Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashisiodine Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 3:51 AM

Another way of looking at this is, what determined why your Armour has been increased? Was it the TSH reading? It's a known fact that iodine will raise TSH at first but that it's not a sign of illness. If the increase was solely based on TSH reading, it's an erroneous response to the reading.-->Are you aware that Forest Pharmaceuticals changed the formula of Armour >and this has caused many to have to increase their dosages. Some, like >me, were unable to continue on Armour and had to switch. I am on >Nature-throid and doing much better. My children are on the same. Some >have switched to ERFA Thyroid. Do you have hashi's? If you do then your >thyroid is being attacked and it will start to fail. If you have hashi's >then you should not be eating gluten either. Gluten

proteins are similar >to the thyroid and for some reason the body will attack the thryoid when >gluten is ingested. I don't think you can make the leap that iodine >caused you to have to increase your thyroid medication. There are just >too many components that come into play.>> Buist, ND>> Re:

iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis>>>>>>> >> > I don't really have much of a thyroid problem but I took an iodine pill > last week 12.5mg iodoral and for the past week or so I've been having > tenderness sorness in my throat area and trouble swallowing as well as > worsened hypothyroid symptoms.> >>>I did too in a way. I had to increase my thyroid meds twice since going on >iodine. I was taking selenium which was supposed to prevent it, and I had >been taking it for a long

time before taking iodine. My herbalist said >that I should never take more than 3 mg. of iodine a day and is going to >try to put me on a standard process brand of iodine, if my thyroid causes >me problems after that the had two other ideas. We need iodine but never >again will I try high dosages. I didn't have much of a thyroid problem >before, since I was only on 30 mg of Armour, now it is 90 mg. I hope that >I can lower my dosage, but I am not counting on it.~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Hi Corry,

Your symptoms sound as though you could very well be hypo. What blood tests did they take? Did they test your FreeT3 and FreeT4? Those are the most accurate tests for thyroid function. TSH is worthless for thyroid levels. In the 'olden days' doctors would treat thyroid by symptoms, not blood tests as how you feel is the best indication most times of thyroid function. Also, the thyroid is not the only thing that needs iodine. Iodine is utilized throughout our whole body for good health. As well as for helping remove toxic halides from our systems. Kelp is not a good source for iodine as the oceans are polluted and kelp can contain heavy metals such as arsenic. Have you read the new members doc you were sent when you joined this group? It contains much information that will help educate you. Also important if you decide to take Lugols or Iodoral is to take daily the companion nutrients( all can be found in our files) which includ unrefined Celtic Sea Salt. Best, Kathleen

Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis> iodine > Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 4:45 PM> > > > > Maybe applying it topically, your body will just> absorb what it needs > > and not cause too many side effects.> > There seems to have grown a misconception among some of the> newer members > that symptoms following iodine ingestion are "side effects"> of > iodine. They are not. Iodine doesn't have "side> effects". Symptoms you > may experience are the symptoms caused by bromide> detoxification. The > iodine causes the body to get rid of bromides, which are> poison to the > body, and the release of the bromides causes the symptoms.> > It's actually a good sign because it means you're getting> rid of toxins.> > Also, those detox symptoms usually are transient if your> detox pathways are > functioning well. Acne is a sign that one's detox> pathways are not > functioning that well and the bromide is coming out through> the skin > instead of the urine. Weight gain is an even further> sign that detox > pathways are not working well, because there the body is> storing the > released bromides as fat since they are continuing to> circulate and not be > removed via urine.> > If you're painting it on your skin, and feeling good, there> is no reason > not to also take it internally so you can actually benefit> from the higher > doses that will create good health.> > --,> moderator of Iodine list> > > > I still seem to get the best results when I apply> it topically to my > > stomach. I'm always freezing cold and it warms me> right away, 5 minutes > > after I apply it. I also sleep like a baby when I put> it on my skin > > before bed and normally I have trouble sleeping.> > > I know it isn't the recommended way, but it seems> to work for me. It is > > the way they use to use lugols 100 years ago. I think> it was painted on > > the soles of the feet before bed. When I take it> orally, first of all I > > can't stand the taste and it doesn't warm me up. I> would probably need a > > very high dosage, but just a small patch on my skin> warms me right away > > and warms my freezing cold hands, and being so cold> that I can't even get > > through my day is my biggest problem. It seems to be> the only way it > > works for me.> > > I guess you don't have someone like Dr.> Brownstein to guide you?> > > In Canada here, no naturopaths or doctors seem to> recommend iodine at all,> > > so I'm completely on my own. The people in this> group seem to have a > > lot of experience with iodine and I'm new to all of> this, but just wanted > > to tell you what works for me. I don't know if I'm> absorbing enough to > > ever heal my thyroid if that's my problem, but it> seems to make me feel better.> > > And it does seem to still cause some detox> symptoms like acne, but no > > thyroid pains. The first week or two it seems to> disappear within a few > > hours, but then it stays longer the longer you do it.> After it is still > > on the skin in a 24 hour period is when you are> suppose to stop because > > you have enough iodine in your body. Then try again in> a month. I think > > it takes months to get to that point if your really> deficient. I never > > stuck with it and go back and forth with trying it> orally, but when I was > > doing it everyday it took over a month to be at the> point where it stayed > > on my skin for 12 hours. Chlorine takes if off the> skin right away, so > > you have to have a bath or shower before applying, if> your one of us > > lucky people that has chlorine in the water.> > >> > > Corry> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J.> Muste> > > > ------------------------------------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Hi Kathleen,

Yes I did get the free T4 and free T3 test done. The T3 was 5.4 pmol/L and the T4 was kind of high 17.9. So because of my symtoms and this one high number, it looked to me that I was once hyper and now I have a burnt out thyroid. I was told these were both in the normal range. He wouldn't take my temperature even though I told him I was freezing cold all the time. I'm so cold I have boiling hot baths and almost burn my skin sometimes they are so hot! Iodine warms me up and makes me feel better. The kelp I take is from a GMP brand and is suppose to be tested for heavy metals etc. It gives me an appetite.

And yes I do take the celtic salt and magnesium, selenium, vit C.

Corry

Corry> From: Baker <vbaker@...>> Subject:

Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis> iodine > Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 4:45 PM> > > > > Maybe applying it topically, your body will just> absorb what it needs > > and not cause too many side effects.> > There seems to have grown a misconception among some of the> newer members > that symptoms following iodine ingestion are "side effects"> of > iodine. They are not. Iodine doesn't have "side> effects". Symptoms you > may experience are the symptoms caused by bromide> detoxification. The > iodine causes the body to get rid of bromides, which are> poison to the

> body, and the release of the bromides causes the symptoms.> > It's actually a good sign because it means you're getting> rid of toxins.> > Also, those detox symptoms usually are transient if your> detox pathways are > functioning well. Acne is a sign that one's detox> pathways are not > functioning that well and the bromide is coming out through> the skin > instead of the urine. Weight gain is an even further> sign that detox > pathways are not working well, because there the body is> storing the > released bromides as fat since they are continuing to> circulate and not be > removed via urine.> > If you're painting it on your skin, and feeling good, there> is no reason > not to also take it internally so you can actually benefit> from the higher > doses that will create good

health.> > --,> moderator of Iodine list> > > > I still seem to get the best results when I apply> it topically to my > > stomach. I'm always freezing cold and it warms me> right away, 5 minutes > > after I apply it. I also sleep like a baby when I put> it on my skin > > before bed and normally I have trouble sleeping.> > > I know it isn't the recommended way, but it seems> to work for me. It is > > the way they use to use lugols 100 years ago. I think> it was painted on > > the soles of the feet before bed. When I take it> orally, first of all I > > can't stand the taste and it doesn't warm me up. I> would probably need a > > very high dosage, but just a small patch on my skin> warms me right away > > and warms my freezing cold hands, and being so

cold> that I can't even get > > through my day is my biggest problem. It seems to be> the only way it > > works for me.> > > I guess you don't have someone like Dr.> Brownstein to guide you?> > > In Canada here, no naturopaths or doctors seem to> recommend iodine at all,> > > so I'm completely on my own. The people in this> group seem to have a > > lot of experience with iodine and I'm new to all of> this, but just wanted > > to tell you what works for me. I don't know if I'm> absorbing enough to > > ever heal my thyroid if that's my problem, but it> seems to make me feel better.> > > And it does seem to still cause some detox> symptoms like acne, but no > > thyroid pains. The first week or two it seems to> disappear within a few > > hours, but then it stays longer

the longer you do it.> After it is still > > on the skin in a 24 hour period is when you are> suppose to stop because > > you have enough iodine in your body. Then try again in> a month. I think > > it takes months to get to that point if your really> deficient. I never > > stuck with it and go back and forth with trying it> orally, but when I was > > doing it everyday it took over a month to be at the> point where it stayed > > on my skin for 12 hours. Chlorine takes if off the> skin right away, so > > you have to have a bath or shower before applying, if> your one of us > > lucky people that has chlorine in the water.> > >> > > Corry> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J.>

Muste> > > > ------------------------------------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Hi Corry, it raises the TSH level but does not cause hypo symptoms. Remember , TSH is not a good indicator of thyroid function. It takes a few months for TSH levels to normalize. Kathleen

Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis>>>>>>> >> > I don't really have much of a thyroid problem but I took an iodine pill > last week 12.5mg iodoral and for the past week or so I've been having > tenderness sorness in my throat area and trouble swallowing as well as > worsened hypothyroid symptoms.> >>>I did too in a way. I had to increase my thyroid meds twice since going on >iodine. I was taking selenium which was supposed to prevent it, and I had >been taking it for a long time before taking iodine. My herbalist said >that I should never take more than 3 mg. of iodine a day and is going to >try to put me on a standard process brand of iodine, if my thyroid causes >me problems after that the had two other ideas. We need iodine but never >again will I try high dosages. I didn't have much of a thyroid problem >before, since I was only on 30 mg of Armour, now it is 90 mg. I hope that >I can lower my dosage, but I am not counting on it.~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste------------------------------------All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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Corry,

If you feel so much better applying iodine externally, why do you take it orally in the form of Lugol's or Iodoral. I think you would be well on you way to feeling great if you do that! Especially since you are taking the companion nutrients. Kathleen

Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis> iodine > Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 4:45 PM> > > > > Maybe applying it topically, your body will just> absorb what it needs > > and not cause too many side effects.> > There seems to have grown a misconception among some of the> newer members > that symptoms following iodine ingestion are "side effects"> of > iodine. They are not. Iodine doesn't have "side> effects". Symptoms you > may experience are the symptoms caused by bromide> detoxification. The > iodine causes the body to get rid of bromides, which are> poison to the > body, and the release of the bromides causes the symptoms.> > It's actually a good sign because it means you're getting> rid of toxins.> > Also, those detox symptoms usually are transient if your> detox pathways are > functioning well. Acne is a sign that one's detox> pathways are not > functioning that well and the bromide is coming out through> the skin > instead of the urine. Weight gain is an even further> sign that detox > pathways are not working well, because there the body is> storing the > released bromides as fat since they are continuing to> circulate and not be > removed via urine.> > If you're painting it on your skin, and feeling good, there> is no reason > not to also take it internally so you can actually benefit> from the higher > doses that will create good health.> > --,> moderator of Iodine list> > > > I still seem to get the best results when I apply> it topically to my > > stomach. I'm always freezing cold and it warms me> right away, 5 minutes > > after I apply it. I also sleep like a baby when I put> it on my skin > > before bed and normally I have trouble sleeping.> > > I know it isn't the recommended way, but it seems> to work for me. It is > > the way they use to use lugols 100 years ago. I think> it was painted on > > the soles of the feet before bed. When I take it> orally, first of all I > > can't stand the taste and it doesn't warm me up. I> would probably need a > > very high dosage, but just a small patch on my skin> warms me right away > > and warms my freezing cold hands, and being so cold> that I can't even get > > through my day is my biggest problem. It seems to be> the only way it > > works for me.> > > I guess you don't have someone like Dr.> Brownstein to guide you?> > > In Canada here, no naturopaths or doctors seem to> recommend iodine at all,> > > so I'm completely on my own. The people in this> group seem to have a > > lot of experience with iodine and I'm new to all of> this, but just wanted > > to tell you what works for me. I don't know if I'm> absorbing enough to > > ever heal my thyroid if that's my problem, but it> seems to make me feel better.> > > And it does seem to still cause some detox> symptoms like acne, but no > > thyroid pains. The first week or two it seems to> disappear within a few > > hours, but then it stays longer the longer you do it.> After it is still > > on the skin in a 24 hour period is when you are> suppose to stop because > > you have enough iodine in your body. Then try again in> a month. I think > > it takes months to get to that point if your really> deficient. I never > > stuck with it and go back and forth with trying it> orally, but when I was > > doing it everyday it took over a month to be at the> point where it stayed > > on my skin for 12 hours. Chlorine takes if off the> skin right away, so > > you have to have a bath or shower before applying, if> your one of us > > lucky people that has chlorine in the water.> > >> > > Corry> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J.> Muste> > > > ------------------------------------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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I left out the word, 'not'...why do you NOT take iodine orally? =-) Kathleen

Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis> iodine > Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 4:45 PM> > > > > Maybe applying it topically, your body will just> absorb what it needs > > and not cause too many side effects.> > There seems to have grown a misconception among some of the> newer members > that symptoms following iodine ingestion are "side effects"> of > iodine. They are not. Iodine doesn't have "side> effects". Symptoms you > may experience are the symptoms caused by bromide> detoxification. The > iodine causes the body to get rid of bromides, which are> poison to the > body, and the release of the bromides causes the symptoms.> > It's actually a good sign because it means you're getting> rid of toxins.> > Also, those detox symptoms usually are transient if your> detox pathways are > functioning well. Acne is a sign that one's detox> pathways are not > functioning that well and the bromide is coming out through> the skin > instead of the urine. Weight gain is an even further> sign that detox > pathways are not working well, because there the body is> storing the > released bromides as fat since they are continuing to> circulate and not be > removed via urine.> > If you're painting it on your skin, and feeling good, there> is no reason > not to also take it internally so you can actually benefit> from the higher > doses that will create good health.> > --,> moderator of Iodine list> > > > I still seem to get the best results when I apply> it topically to my > > stomach. I'm always freezing cold and it warms me> right away, 5 minutes > > after I apply it. I also sleep like a baby when I put> it on my skin > > before bed and normally I have trouble sleeping.> > > I know it isn't the recommended way, but it seems> to work for me. It is > > the way they use to use lugols 100 years ago. I think> it was painted on > > the soles of the feet before bed. When I take it> orally, first of all I > > can't stand the taste and it doesn't warm me up. I> would probably need a > > very high dosage, but just a small patch on my skin> warms me right away > > and warms my freezing cold hands, and being so cold> that I can't even get > > through my day is my biggest problem. It seems to be> the only way it > > works for me.> > > I guess you don't have someone like Dr.> Brownstein to guide you?> > > In Canada here, no naturopaths or doctors seem to> recommend iodine at all,> > > so I'm completely on my own. The people in this> group seem to have a > > lot of experience with iodine and I'm new to all of> this, but just wanted > > to tell you what works for me. I don't know if I'm> absorbing enough to > > ever heal my thyroid if that's my problem, but it> seems to make me feel better.> > > And it does seem to still cause some detox> symptoms like acne, but no > > thyroid pains. The first week or two it seems to> disappear within a few > > hours, but then it stays longer the longer you do it.> After it is still > > on the skin in a 24 hour period is when you are> suppose to stop because > > you have enough iodine in your body. Then try again in> a month. I think > > it takes months to get to that point if your really> deficient. I never > > stuck with it and go back and forth with trying it> orally, but when I was > > doing it everyday it took over a month to be at the> point where it stayed > > on my skin for 12 hours. Chlorine takes if off the> skin right away, so > > you have to have a bath or shower before applying, if> your one of us > > lucky people that has chlorine in the water.> > >> > > Corry> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J.> Muste> > > > ------------------------------------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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That's okay I know what you meant! thanks.

I have tried it internally, I have gone back and forth a few times.

I'll probably try it again. > From: Baker <vbaker@...>>

Subject: Re: Re: iodine causing thyroid enlargement/hashis> iodine > Received: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 4:45 PM> > > > > Maybe applying it topically, your body will just> absorb what it needs > > and not cause too many side effects.> > There seems to have grown a misconception among some of the> newer members > that symptoms following iodine ingestion are "side effects"> of > iodine. They are not. Iodine doesn't have "side> effects". Symptoms you > may experience are the symptoms caused by bromide> detoxification. The > iodine causes the body to get rid of bromides, which are> poison to

the > body, and the release of the bromides causes the symptoms.> > It's actually a good sign because it means you're getting> rid of toxins.> > Also, those detox symptoms usually are transient if your> detox pathways are > functioning well. Acne is a sign that one's detox> pathways are not > functioning that well and the bromide is coming out through> the skin > instead of the urine. Weight gain is an even further> sign that detox > pathways are not working well, because there the body is> storing the > released bromides as fat since they are continuing to> circulate and not be > removed via urine.> > If you're painting it on your skin, and feeling good, there> is no reason > not to also take it internally so you can actually benefit> from the higher > doses that will create

good health.> > --,> moderator of Iodine list> > > > I still seem to get the best results when I apply> it topically to my > > stomach. I'm always freezing cold and it warms me> right away, 5 minutes > > after I apply it. I also sleep like a baby when I put> it on my skin > > before bed and normally I have trouble sleeping.> > > I know it isn't the recommended way, but it seems> to work for me. It is > > the way they use to use lugols 100 years ago. I think> it was painted on > > the soles of the feet before bed. When I take it> orally, first of all I > > can't stand the taste and it doesn't warm me up. I> would probably need a > > very high dosage, but just a small patch on my skin> warms me right away > > and warms my freezing cold hands, and being so

cold> that I can't even get > > through my day is my biggest problem. It seems to be> the only way it > > works for me.> > > I guess you don't have someone like Dr.> Brownstein to guide you?> > > In Canada here, no naturopaths or doctors seem to> recommend iodine at all,> > > so I'm completely on my own. The people in this> group seem to have a > > lot of experience with iodine and I'm new to all of> this, but just wanted > > to tell you what works for me. I don't know if I'm> absorbing enough to > > ever heal my thyroid if that's my problem, but it> seems to make me feel better.> > > And it does seem to still cause some detox> symptoms like acne, but no > > thyroid pains. The first week or two it seems to> disappear within a few > > hours, but then it stays longer

the longer you do it.> After it is still > > on the skin in a 24 hour period is when you are> suppose to stop because > > you have enough iodine in your body. Then try again in> a month. I think > > it takes months to get to that point if your really> deficient. I never > > stuck with it and go back and forth with trying it> orally, but when I was > > doing it everyday it took over a month to be at the> point where it stayed > > on my skin for 12 hours. Chlorine takes if off the> skin right away, so > > you have to have a bath or shower before applying, if> your one of us > > lucky people that has chlorine in the water.> > >> > > Corry> > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~> --A.J.>

Muste> > > > ------------------------------------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group > IodineOT/> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e