Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn

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milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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yet these sources don't come near the RDA. you would want to be eating like a gorilla?

certainly watercress is very high.

From: ido zahavi <zahavi100@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodine Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 12:39

milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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ido

quite right about the tahini. wow 302mg per 100 g serving. That of course is a great deal

of tahini. I guess over the day one could use that amount.

From: ido zahavi <zahavi100@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodine Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 12:39

milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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There is a vast difference between industrial produced pasturized/homogonized milk (ofteh with bgh) and grass fed unpasturized.

Bruce

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Yes, I must say, I'm a bit skeptical of drastic one-size-fits all prescriptions for human diet. Humans really do vary between cultures and from person to person within cultures as to what is the best diet for each one. Some of the longest-lived peoples of the world are dairy herders. Certainly, industrial dairy "farming" is harmful to people's health, both on the macro and micro scales.-->With respect, there are other views on milk. ("The Untold Story of Milk" & >the Weston Price Foundation for starters.)>>Anne~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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learn how to make it with lemon juice slat and garlic.delicious dish

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:07 PM, david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...> wrote:

 

ido

quite right about the tahini. wow 302mg per 100 g serving. That of course is a great deal

of tahini. I guess over the day one could use that amount.

From: ido zahavi <zahavi100@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn

iodine Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 12:39

 

milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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Yep, they use antibiotics and growth hormones to

make the calves grow faster and put on weight

faster in commercial dairy operations, they also

use antibiotics in grown cows and hormones to make

the heifers produce more milk for longer periods

of time.

Grass fed cattle don't get all that junk, also

cattle fed grains tend to have different body

chemistry than 'grass fed only' cattle. And

pasteurizing milk destroys a lot of the good stuff

in the milk. But I don't think adults need much

milk. Calcium can be had from other sources.

Although I do enjoy ice cream and yogurt

occasionally, and I'm a sucker for home made white

sauce:)

Bethann

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again

and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

Bruce wrote:

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> There is a vast difference between industrial produced

> pasturized/homogoni zed milk (ofteh with bgh) and grass fed unpasturized.

>

> Bruce

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>

> * Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn

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>

>

> Yes, I must say, I'm a bit skeptical of drastic one-size-fits all

> prescriptions for human diet. Humans really do vary between cultures

> and

> from person to person within cultures as to what is the best diet

> for each

> one. Some of the longest-lived peoples of the world are dairy

> herders. Certainly, industrial dairy " farming " is harmful to people's

> health, both on the macro and micro scales.

>

> --

>

> >With respect, there are other views on milk. ( " The Untold Story of

> Milk " &

> >the Weston Price Foundation for starters.)

> >

> >Anne

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

>

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Hi Bruce.

certainly.and what about Goats said to be a lot easier to digest.

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodine Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 13:38

There is a vast difference between industrial produced pasturized/homogoni zed milk (ofteh with bgh) and grass fed unpasturized.

Bruce

Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn

Yes, I must say, I'm a bit skeptical of drastic one-size-fits all prescriptions for human diet. Humans really do vary between cultures and from person to person within cultures as to what is the best diet for each one. Some of the longest-lived peoples of the world are dairy herders. Certainly, industrial dairy "farming" is harmful to people's health, both on the macro and micro scales.-->With respect, there are other views on milk. ("The Untold Story of Milk" & >the Weston Price Foundation for starters.)>>Anne~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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Ido

thanks for that tip. will do.

david

From: ido zahavi <zahavi100gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 12:39

milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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I've heard that, and they need less room and clean up too! lol

Bruce

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From: david kenna

Hi Bruce.

certainly.and what about Goats said to be a lot easier to digest.

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not very macho though, guess that's why there aren't so many around.

lol

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodine Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 17:41

I've heard that, and they need less room and clean up too! lolBruce----- Original Message ----- From: david kenna Hi Bruce.certainly.and what about Goats said to be a lot easier to digest.

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PASTEURIZED milk is a poor source of calcium. Too many off-topic issues here.Anne On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:39 AM, ido zahavi wrote: milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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off topic if you don't get sufficient nutrients to support your iodine protocol.

the thyroid controls calcium in the body.

see Dr Brownstein.

milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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ca-prarathyroid yes, and I agree. Iodine therapy encompasses many things

that are related though at first glance may not seem to be.

and important. It also makes the list more beneficial and useful in helping.

One cannot " just take iodine "

if the list mentioned nothing but iodine alone, many will go elsewhere and

that would be a shame.

However, I am making an effort to stay on topic and stay related

Bruce

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From: david kenna

off topic if you don't get sufficient nutrients to support your iodine

protocol.

the thyroid controls calcium in the body.

see Dr Brownstein.

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Hey, when it comes to holistic health, I consider just about anything on-topic. But milk is a really complicated subject.For example, with the low-fat craze, many dairies turned to breeds of cattle like Holsteins -- which produce more milk with lower fat content. But they also produce a protein that is MORE allergenic. (In New Zealand, dairymen now test their cattle for the gene, & breed cows to produce the less allergenic milk.) The old traditional breeds, like Jerseys, produce a richer & less allergenic milk. So when you get into whether milk is safe or a good source of protein, there are all these variables: what was the cow fed, what drugs & hormones given, what breed of cow, how was the milk processed? Then it becomes political, because a lot of places won't allow raw milk to be sold...All I meant to say was that the discussion tends to expand pretty fast. Sorry if I gave offense.AnneOn Jan 12, 2010, at 10:01 AM, david kenna wrote: off topic if you don't get sufficient nutrients to support your iodine protocol. the thyroid controls calcium in the body. see Dr Brownstein. milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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Hi ,About calcium intake:Adult cows have strong and healthy bones n spite of no diary intake after reaching adulthood. Humans are the only animals on the face of the Earth who continue to use milk as a beverage long after they have reached adulthood.The reason cows have strong bones is because they eat grass, vegetation that has calcium together with magnesium and boron. If you eat the Budwig diet, then you are going to get plenty of calcium that is superior because it is bio available and also because the other minerals needed to make the calcium work better are also in the foods you are eating.In other words, your mother was right. Eat your vegetables. :)Regards, Bastida---

On Tue, 1/12/10, david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...> wrote:From: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodine Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 6:29 AM

what about Kefir which uses fefir grains in milk and transforms most of the lactose?

what about yoghurt, similar though some consider not as good as Kefir.

and importantly if you give up dairy how do you get your calcium in anything like

sufficient quantities

From: Baker <vbakersstar (DOT) com>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 6:19

Yes, I must say, I'm a bit skeptical of drastic one-size-fits all prescriptions for human diet. Humans really do vary between cultures and from person to person within cultures as to what is the best diet for each one. Some of the longest-lived peoples of the world are dairy herders. Certainly, industrial dairy "farming" is harmful to people's health, both on the macro and micro scales.-->With respect, there are other views on milk. ("The Untold Story of Milk" & >the Weston Price Foundation for starters.)>>Anne~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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well said Bruce.

david

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodine Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 18:16

ca-prarathyroid yes, and I agree. Iodine therapy encompasses many things that are related though at first glance may not seem to be.and important. It also makes the list more beneficial and useful in helping.One cannot "just take iodine"if the list mentioned nothing but iodine alone, many will go elsewhere and that would be a shame.However, I am making an effort to stay on topic and stay related :)Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: david kennaoff topic if you don't get sufficient nutrients to support your iodine protocol.the thyroid controls calcium in the body.see Dr Brownstein.

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No offense taken. Your points on cattle type are very relevant. It is difficult to be sure

one is getting what one is paying for.with many vitamins and minerals these days.!

milk is a very bad source of calcium.you need more calcium to digest the milk ,then what there is in the milk.the good sources are grren leaves veg and sesame pasta,tahin.in all the countries where much milk is used much osteoporosis

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Lise,

It all makes perfect sense. Thank you for your explanation.

Liz Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn> > > Lise: > > This is only my experience so take it for what it's worth, but > your situation really resonates with me. I used to burn horribly > from my teen years on. I just remember one day being like 14 or > so and realizing I had to severely cut my time in the sun > because my body couldn't handle it anymore like when I was a > kid. Was tired of the really bad burns. This went on for 15 > years or so, and I look back on it and I can't believe I spent > so many beautiful summer days indoors in my teens and 20s and > thought that was perfectly normal. And the times I did go out, I > would slather myself in sunscreen and still end up getting burned.> > My health drastically declined at the age of 29 (mostly stomach) > and after 5 long years (I was really brainwashed) of riding the > mainstream medical joke carousel didn't help me a single bit, I > decided to go the natural route. I was kind of clueless for > another 18 months after that, hitting health stores and buying > up vitamins and cheap supplements and hoping for a quick fix. > The biggest stumbling block in my life back then was my complete > and total enslavement to "convenience" . I just wanted to go to > a store, buy something and have that solve all my problems. Dumb.> > Then in fall 2005 I finally made the first tentative commitment > to really change my diet. I started drinking raw milk and kefir > made from raw milk from a local farmer in winter 2005-06 to help > with grueling stomach problems and the first thing I noticed > when summer came around was that I could stand being out in the > sun again. I wanted to be out in the sun again. I went from > ALWAYS burning right away to tanning that first summer. I can't > emphasize enough how astonishing this was to me after all those > years. "Whoa! This is new.." And I just knew from listening to > my body that the sun wasn't going to be a problem anymore.> > That was the first change in my health situation in years and > from that point on I started eating all these other different > natural and fermented foods and whatnot and I eventually found > my way here with iodine. But I was on nothing but raw milk/kefir > when this change occurred. I had completely eliminated fast food > and other obvious garbage, so my diet was cleaner at the time, > but it was still far from ideal. I guess I was eating a lot of > farm-fresh eggs as well, but other than that, nothing that was > particularly healthy.> > I went from avoiding the sun to loving the sun in that one summer.> > I am kind of a Vitamin D fanatic these days (making up for lost > time, I guess) and I make it a point to exercise outdoors > shirtless (just shorts, socks and sneakers) between noon and 2 > pm for at least an hour pretty much every day during the summer > months. I usually shoot hoops on the blacktop with the summer > sun beating down on me. Feels great, the hotter the better. No > sunscreen, no worries. Been doing this faithfully the past 3 > years. And I still drink a ton of raw milk.> > When I golf with my friends in the summer (which I probably > shouldn't do due to all the chemicals soaking the golf courses, > man it is so bad on some of them and I do feel sick sometimes; > the iodine really helped with that this past fall) and they all > drench themselves in sunscreen on the first tee, I just stand > there and tell them, "Hey, I drink my sunscreen."> > Still not sure why, but this really happened. Maybe it was the > Omega 3s? I grew up on the Standard American Diet, God knows my > body had probably been severely lacking in those for decades.> > - Joe> > > > > >> > > > Vitamin B deficiency? Can cause that,> > > > > > > > Bruce> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Lise Brown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only Iodine, Magnesium and Selenium. I don't know if I am > deficient in omegas? I have become dairy and gluten free in that > time, but I can't see that being the problem? I am really > worried at how badly I burn now. I have never been a fan of > sunscreen, with my background being in cosmetics and my > knowledge of ingredients.> > > > I don't go and sun-bake, I just find if I sit out in the > sun for small periods of time I go red raw. This has never > happened, even when I was a kid.> > > >> > >> >> > > > >

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Most of the calcium in dairy is in a form not readily absorbed in the body and is mostly excreted from the body, unused. We have been brought up with wonderful marketing from the dairy industry, it has led us to believe that we cant be healthy without it. We absorb calcium much more readily from green leafy vegetables and sesame seeds etc.In the Polynesian Islands where traditionally there is no dairy in their native diet, there is no such thing as osteoporosis. Only now as the diet has become westernized is there osteoporosis and other related health problems.

I just received in the mail 'Iodine Why You Need It' by Brownstein. I started reading it last night and it mentions the link between Iodine deficiency and increased sensitivity of breast tissue to estrogen. It mentions our exposure to estrogen's and xenoestrogens found in plastics, pesticides as well as meat and dairy products " it is no wonder that hormone -sensitive cancers like breast (as well as prostate, ovarian and uterine) cancer have reached epidemic proportions". I notice that he has also written a book 'The Guide to a Dairy Free Diet' I am looking forward to buying this and reading up more about it.

Lise

From: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...>iodine Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:29:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn

what about Kefir which uses fefir grains in milk and transforms most of the lactose?

what about yoghurt, similar though some consider not as good as Kefir.

and importantly if you give up dairy how do you get your calcium in anything like

sufficient quantities

From: Baker <vbakersstar (DOT) . com>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 6:19

Yes, I must say, I'm a bit skeptical of drastic one-size-fits all prescriptions for human diet. Humans really do vary between cultures and from person to person within cultures as to what is the best diet for each one. Some of the longest-lived peoples of the world are dairy herders. Certainly, industrial dairy "farming" is harmful to people's health, both on the macro and micro scales.-->With respect, there are other views on milk. ("The Untold Story of Milk" & >the Weston Price Foundation for starters.)>>Anne~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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Hi,

Just a change of direction. I have had I think 3 different doctors tell me that I am heading for osteoporosis if I don't treat my Graves disease conventionally. Because my thyroid blood results still aren't within normal range. They have said that Graves disease left untreated (they mean conventionally) will cause osteoporosis. Can anyone explain this to me. No one has checked my bones or anything. They have just stated this as a fact, that if Graves is left untreated this will happen.None of these doctors know anything about Iodine or the iodine protocol and have taken the fact that I am not in normal thyroid range to mean that Iodine must not work and therefore must be dangerous. Never mind that it has improved my blood results by half so far!

Lise

From: Lise Brown <lise.brown@...>iodine Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 10:16:09 AMSubject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn

Most of the calcium in dairy is in a form not readily absorbed in the body and is mostly excreted from the body, unused. We have been brought up with wonderful marketing from the dairy industry, it has led us to believe that we cant be healthy without it. We absorb calcium much more readily from green leafy vegetables and sesame seeds etc.In the Polynesian Islands where traditionally there is no dairy in their native diet, there is no such thing as osteoporosis. Only now as the diet has become westernized is there osteoporosis and other related health problems.

I just received in the mail 'Iodine Why You Need It' by Brownstein. I started reading it last night and it mentions the link between Iodine deficiency and increased sensitivity of breast tissue to estrogen. It mentions our exposure to estrogen's and xenoestrogens found in plastics, pesticides as well as meat and dairy products " it is no wonder that hormone -sensitive cancers like breast (as well as prostate, ovarian and uterine) cancer have reached epidemic proportions" . I notice that he has also written a book 'The Guide to a Dairy Free Diet' I am looking forward to buying this and reading up more about it.

Lise

From: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@ .co. uk>iodinegroups (DOT) comSent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:29:36 PMSubject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburn

what about Kefir which uses fefir grains in milk and transforms most of the lactose?

what about yoghurt, similar though some consider not as good as Kefir.

and importantly if you give up dairy how do you get your calcium in anything like

sufficient quantities

From: Baker <vbakersstar (DOT) . com>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 6:19

Yes, I must say, I'm a bit skeptical of drastic one-size-fits all prescriptions for human diet. Humans really do vary between cultures and from person to person within cultures as to what is the best diet for each one. Some of the longest-lived peoples of the world are dairy herders. Certainly, industrial dairy "farming" is harmful to people's health, both on the macro and micro scales.-->With respect, there are other views on milk. ("The Untold Story of Milk" & >the Weston Price Foundation for starters.)>>Anne~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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Lise,

I am all for greens. The question is can we get enough to meet daily requirements?

In addition what way would we know that calcium is or is not being absorbed. Calcium

requires adequate magnesium and vitamin D3 for proper absorption. I wonder did the studies include these in their research. D3 mind you not D2. and sufficient magnesium?

and thyroid function controls the level of calcium in the blood.

.

From: Baker <vbakersstar (DOT) . com>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps/sunburniodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 6:19

Yes, I must say, I'm a bit skeptical of drastic one-size-fits all prescriptions for human diet. Humans really do vary between cultures and from person to person within cultures as to what is the best diet for each one. Some of the longest-lived peoples of the world are dairy herders. Certainly, industrial dairy "farming" is harmful to people's health, both on the macro and micro scales.-->With respect, there are other views on milk. ("The Untold Story of Milk" & >the Weston Price Foundation for starters.)>>Anne~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste