Re: How long will this last?/water

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Water has been one of the big trials to me since I have been attempting to improve my health. This is going to sound really stupid, but water makes me queasy. I know my mother was the same, because when I was little, I can remember her telling me not to drink water first thing in the morning, because it would make me sick. (She is gone now, so I can't ask her about it.) There is just no way I can drink as much water as people recommend for my weight. My first big chore every day is to slowly sip at about 16 oz. of water, & then I try to drink at intervals during the day. (Morning is not the ideal time for me to drink it, but when I get busy, it is harder to stop & choke some down.) But it's something I do dutifully, without enthusiasm... I get thirsty after a FIR sauna, or in really hot weather -- there are times when water is not unpleasant.I guess I am glad that other people have this issue, to some degree or other, but I am not sure what to do about it. I am not a fan of chicken broth, & I don't think I can afford the calories in juice, given my ongoing weight issues...I am a fan of the concept that we should listen to our bodies, but how do you know when your body is wrong? My body loves sugar, hates vegetables, has only limited interest in water, & none at all in exercise. Clearly this is all wrong. And yet most people on this list are trying to determine iodine levels based on how they feel... SIGH! What if my body isn't trustworthy?AnneOn Feb 25, 2010, at 8:41 AM, ayah591 wrote: This makes sense to me. I have heard something similar re: water intake from a chiropractor whose opinion I respect highly. He has done a great deal of health research and is an amazing healer. > > I think the problem was doing my salt loading with water. I have read that it is very dangerous for hypothyroid people to drink so much water. The salt and water combined left me with a depleted body. My symptoms were just like when I had hypothermia last summer. > > I felt immediately better, today, when I took my salt in chicken broth. I needed to give my body food. Tonight, I had chicken broth and a fresh orange juice smoothie with a raw egg (I get them from a farmer who doesn't feed them soy) and Great Lakes Gelatin. I want to give my liver a break for a little longer. > > Tomorrow I'm back to taking iodine and I'm curious if it will put me into detox again or if I'm over it. > > My recs are to make all of the fluids either a homemade bone broth, a soup or fresh juices and coconut water, fresh if possible. Skip the water. > > "Water: swelling, tension, pain, fatigue, aging > > I have spoken to many people who believe they should drink "8 glasses of water every day," in addition to their normal foods, even if they don't feel thirsty. Many doctors still recite this dangerous slogan, but the addition of the qualifying phrase, "or other liquids," has become common. > > The amount of water a person needs is extremely variable, depending on things such as metabolic rate, activity, and the temperature and humidity of the air. Working hard in hot, dry weather, it's possible to drink more than two quarts per hour for more than eight hours, without forming any urine, because all of the water is lost by evaporation. But in very hot, humid weather, a person with a low metabolic rate can be endangered by the smallest amount of water (e.g., "Meteorological relations of eclampsia in Lagos, Nigeria," Agobe, et al., 1981)." > > Joan >

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I drink chicken broth like I drink tea. It is really tasty with coconut oil.

I'm reading The Secret Garden to my son and just read last night that the nurse

gave the child 'bone tea'.

One is ready for salt when they awaken. It is better to eat something salty

before drinking any water. I'll try to find that info. I bet we can all agree

that water on an empty stomach is uncomfortable.

I question the idea that says one shouldn't eat natural fruits and raw fruit

juices because of weight issues. I think this is a mainstream idea that has no

merit. Our bodies need the natural sugars that fruit gives us. Think about it,

fruit is the perfect food, with no natural toxins, while vegetables are full of

oxalic acid, phytoestrogens, and phytates. The secret is to eat/drink it raw

and with a little bit of sea salt.

Its not because of fruit that you are over weight.

Joan

> > >

> > > I think the problem was doing my salt loading with water. I have

> > read that it is very dangerous for hypothyroid people to drink so

> > much water. The salt and water combined left me with a depleted

> > body. My symptoms were just like when I had hypothermia last summer.

> > >

> > > I felt immediately better, today, when I took my salt in chicken

> > broth. I needed to give my body food. Tonight, I had chicken broth

> > and a fresh orange juice smoothie with a raw egg (I get them from a

> > farmer who doesn't feed them soy) and Great Lakes Gelatin. I want

> > to give my liver a break for a little longer.

> > >

> > > Tomorrow I'm back to taking iodine and I'm curious if it will put

> > me into detox again or if I'm over it.

> > >

> > > My recs are to make all of the fluids either a homemade bone

> > broth, a soup or fresh juices and coconut water, fresh if possible.

> > Skip the water.

> > >

> > > " Water: swelling, tension, pain, fatigue, aging

> > >

> > > I have spoken to many people who believe they should drink " 8

> > glasses of water every day, " in addition to their normal foods,

> > even if they don't feel thirsty. Many doctors still recite this

> > dangerous slogan, but the addition of the qualifying phrase, " or

> > other liquids, " has become common.

> > >

> > > The amount of water a person needs is extremely variable,

> > depending on things such as metabolic rate, activity, and the

> > temperature and humidity of the air. Working hard in hot, dry

> > weather, it's possible to drink more than two quarts per hour for

> > more than eight hours, without forming any urine, because all of

> > the water is lost by evaporation. But in very hot, humid weather, a

> > person with a low metabolic rate can be endangered by the smallest

> > amount of water (e.g., " Meteorological relations of eclampsia in

> > Lagos, Nigeria, " Agobe, et al., 1981). "

> > >

> > > Joan

> > >

> >

> >

>

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I NEVER drank enough my whole life, but when I finally got a bit of

thyroid meds, the first thing I wanted to do was drink lots of water! I

would never force myself to drink though.

Gracia

Anne Seals wrote:

>

>

> Water has been one of the big trials to me since I have been

> attempting to improve my health. This is going to sound really stupid,

> but water makes me queasy. I know my mother was the same, because when

> I was little, I can remember her telling me not to drink water first

> thing in the morning, because it would make me sick. (She is gone now,

> so I can't ask her about it.) There is just no way I can drink as much

> water as people recommend for my weight. My first big chore every day

> is to slowly sip at about 16 oz. of water, & then I try to drink at

> intervals during the day. (Morning is not the ideal time for me to

> drink it, but when I get busy, it is harder to stop & choke some

> down.) But it's something I do dutifully, without enthusiasm...

>

> I get thirsty after a FIR sauna, or in really hot weather -- there are

> times when water is not unpleasant.

>

> I guess I am glad that other people have this issue, to some degree or

> other, but I am not sure what to do about it. I am not a fan of

> chicken broth, & I don't think I can afford the calories in juice,

> given my ongoing weight issues...

>

> I am a fan of the concept that we should listen to our bodies, but how

> do you know when your body is wrong? My body loves sugar, hates

> vegetables, has only limited interest in water, & none at all in

> exercise. Clearly this is all wrong. And yet most people on this list

> are trying to determine iodine levels based on how they feel... SIGH!

> What if my body isn't trustworthy?

>

> Anne

>

>

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We have stopped relying on our body to tell us what it needs. Having the media

and doctors telling us to drink 8 glasses of water a day doesn't help. We start

believing it even when it makes us sick.

I think the salt loading protocol requires more than water for the chaser fluid.

Coconut water is optimal because it has all of the electrolytes our bodies need.

I didn't get a bladder infection as a bromine symptom but a symptom of

dehydration from too much salt. I had the same results once, when I took salt

to kill Candida, so I have something to compare it to.

If I were to rewrite the book I would say take salt loading with fresh juice or

coconut water.

Joan

> >

> > I think the problem was doing my salt loading with water. I have read that

it is very dangerous for hypothyroid people to drink so much water. The salt and

water combined left me with a depleted body. My symptoms were just like when I

had hypothermia last summer.

> >

> > I felt immediately better, today, when I took my salt in chicken broth. I

needed to give my body food. Tonight, I had chicken broth and a fresh orange

juice smoothie with a raw egg (I get them from a farmer who doesn't feed them

soy) and Great Lakes Gelatin. I want to give my liver a break for a little

longer.

> >

> > Tomorrow I'm back to taking iodine and I'm curious if it will put me into

detox again or if I'm over it.

> >

> > My recs are to make all of the fluids either a homemade bone broth, a soup

or fresh juices and coconut water, fresh if possible. Skip the water.

> >

> > " Water: swelling, tension, pain, fatigue, aging

> >

> > I have spoken to many people who believe they should drink " 8 glasses of

water every day, " in addition to their normal foods, even if they don't feel

thirsty. Many doctors still recite this dangerous slogan, but the addition of

the qualifying phrase, " or other liquids, " has become common.

> >

> > The amount of water a person needs is extremely variable, depending on

things such as metabolic rate, activity, and the temperature and humidity of the

air. Working hard in hot, dry weather, it's possible to drink more than two

quarts per hour for more than eight hours, without forming any urine, because

all of the water is lost by evaporation. But in very hot, humid weather, a

person with a low metabolic rate can be endangered by the smallest amount of

water (e.g., " Meteorological relations of eclampsia in Lagos, Nigeria, " Agobe,

et al., 1981). "

> >

> > Joan

> >

>

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I agree and I apologize if I came off as a blank statement. I do think there is

a big difference in whether the juice is fresh of pasteurized. Taking digestive

enzymes is critical for those with Candida. I take them each time I have fruit

or juice. I actually don't think it is healthy to cut out all fresh fruit

juices. Moderation is everything. Everyone does have different diet challenges

but there can be creative ways to overcome them, like adding digestive enzymes.

One Candida diet I was researching said fresh juices were fine to drink.

DIET DONT's

* * * FOODS YOU MUST AVOID * * *

Fruit Juices: Either canned, bottled, or frozen. Exception: Freshly prepared

juice.

http://www.mold-survivor.com/diet2.html

The blood sugar issues are met when sea salt is added to the juice, in fact it

is the best thing one can drink. Fruit juices have been given a bad rap like

many things. I never drank any juice for years and didn't give any to my son

but I've learned about the health benefits it brings the body, especially for

the liver in its conversion of T4 to T3.

It is also safe to take iodine with fresh juice. I put a couple of drops of

Lugol's in OJ today and it didn't turn white.

Trader Joe's sells a non-organic unpasteurized OJ.

Joan

> There can be a big difference between fruit and fruit juice both in calories

and the overall sugar hit. If you have candida, fruit juice will absolutely

make them grow like crazy because you are getting a huge amount of sugar all at

once without the fiber and other elements of eating the actual fruit. Both too

many calories and feeding candida too much sugar will indeed cause a problem

with weight gain for people with that issue. People who have any kind of blood

sugar issues or insulin resistance can get in big trouble with fruit juices. We

need to remember that we each have our own issues and while some people can

drink fruit juices with no issues others cannot. There is no diet that is right

for everyone. That is the mainstream perspective that got so many people into

health problems to start with.

>

> I don't have any issue with water on an empty stomach and it is hard to

imagine eating something salty when I wake up before getting water LOL so we are

all unique.

>

> Engtovo

>

>

> From: coloredoctave

> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:09 PM

> iodine

> Subject: Re: How long will this last?/water

>

>

>

> I drink chicken broth like I drink tea. It is really tasty with coconut oil.

I'm reading The Secret Garden to my son and just read last night that the nurse

gave the child 'bone tea'.

>

> One is ready for salt when they awaken. It is better to eat something salty

before drinking any water. I'll try to find that info. I bet we can all agree

that water on an empty stomach is uncomfortable.

>

> I question the idea that says one shouldn't eat natural fruits and raw fruit

juices because of weight issues. I think this is a mainstream idea that has no

merit. Our bodies need the natural sugars that fruit gives us. Think about it,

fruit is the perfect food, with no natural toxins, while vegetables are full of

oxalic acid, phytoestrogens, and phytates. The secret is to eat/drink it raw and

with a little bit of sea salt.

>

> Its not because of fruit that you are over weight.

>

> Joan

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I think the problem was doing my salt loading with water. I have

> > > read that it is very dangerous for hypothyroid people to drink so

> > > much water. The salt and water combined left me with a depleted

> > > body. My symptoms were just like when I had hypothermia last summer.

> > > >

> > > > I felt immediately better, today, when I took my salt in chicken

> > > broth. I needed to give my body food. Tonight, I had chicken broth

> > > and a fresh orange juice smoothie with a raw egg (I get them from a

> > > farmer who doesn't feed them soy) and Great Lakes Gelatin. I want

> > > to give my liver a break for a little longer.

> > > >

> > > > Tomorrow I'm back to taking iodine and I'm curious if it will put

> > > me into detox again or if I'm over it.

> > > >

> > > > My recs are to make all of the fluids either a homemade bone

> > > broth, a soup or fresh juices and coconut water, fresh if possible.

> > > Skip the water.

> > > >

> > > > " Water: swelling, tension, pain, fatigue, aging

> > > >

> > > > I have spoken to many people who believe they should drink " 8

> > > glasses of water every day, " in addition to their normal foods,

> > > even if they don't feel thirsty. Many doctors still recite this

> > > dangerous slogan, but the addition of the qualifying phrase, " or

> > > other liquids, " has become common.

> > > >

> > > > The amount of water a person needs is extremely variable,

> > > depending on things such as metabolic rate, activity, and the

> > > temperature and humidity of the air. Working hard in hot, dry

> > > weather, it's possible to drink more than two quarts per hour for

> > > more than eight hours, without forming any urine, because all of

> > > the water is lost by evaporation. But in very hot, humid weather, a

> > > person with a low metabolic rate can be endangered by the smallest

> > > amount of water (e.g., " Meteorological relations of eclampsia in

> > > Lagos, Nigeria, " Agobe, et al., 1981). "

> > > >

> > > > Joan

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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anne i cant stand to drink water it also makes me feel sick. but if i drink from a bottle or straw it doesnt affect me. also lemon water is so much easier to drink try it plus lemon water is good for your liver belinda > iodine > From: circe@...> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:30:21 -0500> Subject: Re: Re: How long will this last?/water> > I NEVER drank enough my whole life, but when I finally got a bit of > thyroid meds, the first thing I wanted to do was drink lots of water! I > would never force myself to drink though.> Gracia> > > Anne Seals wrote:> > > >> > Water has been one of the big trials to me since I have been > > attempting to improve my health. This is going to sound really stupid, > > but water makes me queasy. I know my mother was the same, because when > > I was little, I can remember her telling me not to drink water first > > thing in the morning, because it would make me sick. (She is gone now, > > so I can't ask her about it.) There is just no way I can drink as much > > water as people recommend for my weight. My first big chore every day > > is to slowly sip at about 16 oz. of water, & then I try to drink at > > intervals during the day. (Morning is not the ideal time for me to > > drink it, but when I get busy, it is harder to stop & choke some > > down.) But it's something I do dutifully, without enthusiasm... > >> > I get thirsty after a FIR sauna, or in really hot weather -- there are > > times when water is not unpleasant.> >> > I guess I am glad that other people have this issue, to some degree or > > other, but I am not sure what to do about it. I am not a fan of > > chicken broth, & I don't think I can afford the calories in juice, > > given my ongoing weight issues...> >> > I am a fan of the concept that we should listen to our bodies, but how > > do you know when your body is wrong? My body loves sugar, hates > > vegetables, has only limited interest in water, & none at all in > > exercise. Clearly this is all wrong. And yet most people on this list > > are trying to determine iodine levels based on how they feel... SIGH! > > What if my body isn't trustworthy?> >> > Anne> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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When I attempted the lemonade fast, I discovered that it made me so sick I could not continue the fast. I also discovered that it made my teeth very sensitive, & later read that lemon juice decalcifies the teeth. Your teeth must be a lot more robust than mine!AnneOn Feb 26, 2010, at 1:35 PM, BELINDA CARR wrote: anne i cant stand to drink water it also makes me feel sick. but if i drink from a bottle or straw it doesnt affect me. also lemon water is so much easier to drink try it plus lemon water is good for your liver belinda > iodine > From: circefairpoint (DOT) net> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:30:21 -0500> Subject: Re: Re: How long will this last?/water> > I NEVER drank enough my whole life, but when I finally got a bit of > thyroid meds, the first thing I wanted to do was drink lots of water! I > would never force myself to drink though.> Gracia> > > Anne Seals wrote:> > > >> > Water has been one of the big trials to me since I have been > > attempting to improve my health. This is going to sound really stupid, > > but water makes me queasy. I know my mother was the same, because when > > I was little, I can remember her telling me not to drink water first > > thing in the morning, because it would make me sick. (She is gone now, > > so I can't ask her about it.) There is just no way I can drink as much > > water as people recommend for my weight. My first big chore every day > > is to slowly sip at about 16 oz. of water, & then I try to drink at > > intervals during the day. (Morning is not the ideal time for me to > > drink it, but when I get busy, it is harder to stop & choke some > > down.) But it's something I do dutifully, without enthusiasm... > >> > I get thirsty after a FIR sauna, or in really hot weather -- there are > > times when water is not unpleasant.> >> > I guess I am glad that other people have this issue, to some degree or > > other, but I am not sure what to do about it. I am not a fan of > > chicken broth, & I don't think I can afford the calories in juice, > > given my ongoing weight issues...> >> > I am a fan of the concept that we should listen to our bodies, but how > > do you know when your body is wrong? My body loves sugar, hates > > vegetables, has only limited interest in water, & none at all in > > exercise. Clearly this is all wrong. And yet most people on this list > > are trying to determine iodine levels based on how they feel... SIGH! > > What if my body isn't trustworthy?> >> > Anne> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------> > All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group IodineOT/> > > Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

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There is a problem with recognizing thirst, though. Many people actually

mistake signs of dehydration or thirst for hunger - they eat instead of drink.

I have read that in our modern culture, most people are actual in a perpetual

state of mild dehydration.

>

> Generally if you are not showing any signs of dehydration then you are getting

enough water. On the other hand there may be some people whose body is trying to

conserve minerals that are low by holding on to water and releasing and in

taking as little as possible.

[Guest guest]

Very true which is why people originally started the whole minimum amount to drink, although at least recently more people are basing minimums on ounces per kilogram of weight instead of a random 8 glasses.

Engtovo

From: Pamela

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 10:03 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: How long will this last?/water

There is a problem with recognizing thirst, though. Many people actually mistake signs of dehydration or thirst for hunger - they eat instead of drink. I have read that in our modern culture, most people are actual in a perpetual state of mild dehydration.>> Generally if you are not showing any signs of dehydration then you are getting enough water. On the other hand there may be some people whose body is trying to conserve minerals that are low by holding on to water and releasing and in taking as little as possible.

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Maybe, the problem is in what they eat. If they are grabbing a bag of chips

they won't get any fluids but that isn't true with raw fruits and vegetables.

Joan

> There is a problem with recognizing thirst, though. Many people actually

mistake signs of dehydration or thirst for hunger - they eat instead of drink.

I have read that in our modern culture, most people are actual in a perpetual

state of mild dehydration.

>

>

> >

> > Generally if you are not showing any signs of dehydration then you are

getting enough water. On the other hand there may be some people whose body is

trying to conserve minerals that are low by holding on to water and releasing

and in taking as little as possible.

>