Re: green tea contains natural fluoride

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh - I drink a ton of tea, and green tea every day. This is true for all

tea you say?

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> The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants

which have this mechanism.  you can check the us government websites, and all

fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of

natural fluoride.

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[Guest guest]

Before going on Iodine, and learning of the poisonous nature of fluoride, I was

drinking a gallon of green tea a day. I went off of ALL tea for nearly three

months, but I just HAD to start again, having a couple of cups black tea per day

(my English upbringing), and so, my question...As they say, " all things in

moderation " , but can this be true of tea, especially as I/we fight to detox from

fluoride? Am I " ruining " my good work (taking 50mg Iodine per day, etc.) by

having my two (OK, I suspect this winter it will go up to four) cups of tea per

day?

One more question...Since giving up fluoride toothpaste, I find myself, more

often than not, using just plain water to brush my teeth. Since the Iodine is

helping to build stronger teeth (I'm assuming), do I really need something other

than water to brush with? Am I looking at a future of tooth decay if I don't use

some alternative, such as baking soda and salt? I find I prefer plain water, and

I do brush frequently. My dentist assures me, though she found no cavities or

other problems, that my teeth will soon begin to rot without fluoride

toothpaste.

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> The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants

which have this mechanism.  you can check the us government websites, and all

fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of

natural fluoride.

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[Guest guest]

Is the type of flouride relevant or is all flouride bad?   I thought the problem with the flouride in water is that it is sodium flouride.   I thought calcium flouride is meant to be good for you???

 

The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants which have this mechanism.  you can check the us government websites, and all fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of natural fluoride.

[Guest guest]

,My grandfather had his teeth until 97 and used baking soda and salt to brush with for over 50 years and recommended that to all of us. They ate all whole foods they grew and canned/froze and used only one trash can per year for decades. 

I have added xylitol to the mixture so roughly a third of each and used that past 5 years or so. The dentist remarked that I must have a very good diet currently as a half dozen smaller cavities filled themselves back in that were on the gumline. I had very soft teeth and have had many fillings in the past but none recently. 

Also coconut oil helped me overcome gum issues that used to cost like 800 bucks for those treatments. Just ate 3 tablespoons a day for couple of years to fight rheumatoid arthritis and seemed to benefit gums too. Pam

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Cochrane <juliemc9@...> wrote:

 

Is the type of flouride relevant or is all flouride bad?   I thought the problem with the flouride in water is that it is sodium flouride.   I thought calcium flouride is meant to be good for you???

 

The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants which have this mechanism.  you can check the us government websites, and all fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of natural fluoride.

[Guest guest]

There are several brands of toothpaste which do not contain fluoride. You can buy them at whole food stores or online.SueFrom: moontidearts <moontidearts@...>Subject: Re: green tea contains natural fluorideiodine Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:54 PM

Before going on Iodine, and learning of the poisonous nature of fluoride, I was drinking a gallon of green tea a day. I went off of ALL tea for nearly three months, but I just HAD to start again, having a couple of cups black tea per day (my English upbringing), and so, my question...As they say, "all things in moderation", but can this be true of tea, especially as I/we fight to detox from fluoride? Am I "ruining" my good work (taking 50mg Iodine per day, etc.) by having my two (OK, I suspect this winter it will go up to four) cups of tea per day?

One more question...Since giving up fluoride toothpaste, I find myself, more often than not, using just plain water to brush my teeth. Since the Iodine is helping to build stronger teeth (I'm assuming), do I really need something other than water to brush with? Am I looking at a future of tooth decay if I don't use some alternative, such as baking soda and salt? I find I prefer plain water, and I do brush frequently. My dentist assures me, though she found no cavities or other problems, that my teeth will soon begin to rot without fluoride toothpaste.

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> The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants which have this mechanism. you can check the us government websites, and all fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of natural fluoride.

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[Guest guest]

A good toothpaste is Spry which contains Xylitol, an excellent substitute for Flouride. My family has been using this for years. Also, xylitol is good for nasal and ear problems. British Journal of Studies show its remarkable effect.

Also, a recent discovery which resulted in repeated "Wow, your teeth are very clean, what are you doing?" from the dental hygenist, is COCONUT OIL, yes coconut oil. I have aslo been oil pulling also with Coconut oil for a whole body detox - can find oil pulling information on the web - basically switch around coconut oil in your mouth for 10-20 minutes each day - supposedly removes bacteria, parasites etc.

Also, raw milk that isn't pasteurized. Raw milk is very good for the teeth. If you aren't familiar with raw milk, visit the Healthy Tradiitions Foundation. I have been drinking raw milk for 8 years.

I am newbie here and sorry if folks may have gone over this in the past or if this information isn't relevant. This is an active network and don't have time to read every single post. It just seems at times some people on this site do not have the wisdom to be patient with the newbies - remember you were once a newbie.

Thanks,

Kathy

From: sue houser <housershouse@...>iodine Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 7:43:19 AMSubject: Re: Re: green tea contains natural fluoride

There are several brands of toothpaste which do not contain fluoride. You can buy them at whole food stores or online.Sue

From: moontidearts <moontidearts@...>Subject: Re: green tea contains natural fluorideiodine Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 10:54 PM

Before going on Iodine, and learning of the poisonous nature of fluoride, I was drinking a gallon of green tea a day. I went off of ALL tea for nearly three months, but I just HAD to start again, having a couple of cups black tea per day (my English upbringing), and so, my question...As they say, "all things in moderation", but can this be true of tea, especially as I/we fight to detox from fluoride? Am I "ruining" my good work (taking 50mg Iodine per day, etc.) by having my two (OK, I suspect this winter it will go up to four) cups of tea per day? One more question...Since giving up fluoride toothpaste, I find myself, more often than not, using just plain water to brush my teeth. Since the Iodine is helping to build stronger teeth (I'm assuming), do I really need something other than water to brush with? Am I looking at a future of tooth decay if I don't use some alternative, such as baking soda and salt? I find I prefer plain water, and I do

brush frequently. My dentist assures me, though she found no cavities or other problems, that my teeth will soon begin to rot without fluoride toothpaste. >> The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants which have this mechanism. you can check the us government websites, and all fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of natural fluoride.>

[Guest guest]

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Just read your post. The Xylitol supposedly helps remineralize the teeth according to the studies I read so good to hear a testimonial. My kids had bad decaying teeth and constant inflammed eustachian tubes until I started on the xylitol, raw milk and using water with minerals instead of the dead osmosis water.

Also, good to know that someone else had a good experience with coconut oil. Coconut oil has so many benefits. I use it on my skin and hair also. I haven't yet started to a few TB of coconut oil per day yet but was thinking of doing that.

Thanks,

Kathy

From: Pamela Valley <2007pams@...>iodine Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 1:06:58 AMSubject: Re: green tea contains natural fluoride

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My grandfather had his teeth until 97 and used baking soda and salt to brush with for over 50 years and recommended that to all of us. They ate all whole foods they grew and canned/froze and used only one trash can per year for decades.

I have added xylitol to the mixture so roughly a third of each and used that past 5 years or so. The dentist remarked that I must have a very good diet currently as a half dozen smaller cavities filled themselves back in that were on the gumline. I had very soft teeth and have had many fillings in the past but none recently.

Also coconut oil helped me overcome gum issues that used to cost like 800 bucks for those treatments. Just ate 3 tablespoons a day for couple of years to fight rheumatoid arthritis and seemed to benefit gums too. Pam

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Cochrane <juliemc9@...> wrote:

Is the type of flouride relevant or is all flouride bad? I thought the problem with the flouride in water is that it is sodium flouride. I thought calcium flouride is meant to be good for you???

The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants which have this mechanism. you can check the us government websites, and all fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of natural fluoride.

[Guest guest]

I used to drink Kombucha many years ago until I studied fungus/mold/candida and their relation to our health; and Kombucha is a fungus as are all mushrooms. wouldn’t drink it now if you paid me! But I think we are getting off topic. Kathleen

Re: green tea contains natural fluoride

Is the type of flouride relevant or is all flouride bad? I thought the problem with the flouride in water is that it is sodium flouride. I thought calcium flouride is meant to be good for you???

The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants which have this mechanism. you can check the us government websites, and all fluoride research cites firmly state that tea is one of the highest sources of natural fluoride.

[Guest guest]

This is off topic, so I won’t respond again, but it’s something I wont ever ingest again, it is full of fungus/bacteria and mold. sorry, I have enough problems without making all that stuff on purpose to ingest! =-)

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[Guest guest]

Green tea has fluorine.

According to " Healing with Whole Foods " , by Pritchard, Fluorine and its

compounds in food are entirely different from chemically produced sodium

Flouride. Once an element is extracted from the soil and incorporated into plant

life, its properties change greatly. Flourine compounds in foods have important

nutritional functions. Combination of organic calcium and fluorine creates a

very hard surface on teeth and bones. Flourine protects body from invasion and

proliferation of germs and viruses. Flourine in foods is volatile and

evaporates in cooking. One of the most concentrated forms of fluorine is found

in goats milk. Other sources are seaweeds, rice, rye, parsley, avocados,

cabbage, and black eyed peas, herbs high in fluorine include juniper berries,

licorice, lemon grass, bancha tea twigs, and other tea plants.

The flouride we are all afraid of, i believe, were those made from sodium

flouride and flourorosilucic acids, the chemicals added to our drinking water

which are by-products of aluminum and fertilizer industry often highly

contaminated with lead and arsenic and expensive to dispose of until cities were

persuaded to put them in water as tooth decay prevention. It is actually

calcium flouride that was used in the tests for tooth decay. Yet the results

were iffy, some tests prevented decay, some didn't. As a result of tests in

Europe, many EU countries banned flouride in their water. Fluoride stays in the

food even when cooked.

But then as a reminder, drink your teas in moderation

<kathy.caurdy@...> wrote:

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> While there are antioxidants in green tea that makes it sound good, it doesn't

> appear to be wise to overconsume it due to the flouride.  Please review Dr.

> Mercola's comments regarding the flouride in the link I pasted here.

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> I use to make Kombucha with green tea for a while but stopped since I was

> concerned with the flouride. 

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> My belief is it is better to be safe than sorry and not drink the green tea

> excessively or at all due to the flouride.

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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/09/17/green-tea-cancer-p\

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[Guest guest]

Fluorine is an element. When it combines with other elements it is still the

same element, just attached to another element in a molecule. Calcium fluoride

is just as dangerous to your body as sodium fluoride because your body breaks

these molecules down and releases the fluorine to do its damage to you.

Fluorine is the most reactive of all elements, even more reactive than oxygen.

If you add oxygen to a tank of gas, it will not react unless you increase the

temperature (light a match). If you add fluorine gas to a tank of gas, it

immediately reacts at room temperature (no match needed).

It is also incorrect to think that " natural " fluorine is somehow safer than

" chemical " fluorine. It is all fluorine and just because it combines with other

elements in a tea plant instead of in an industrial plant, does not make it

safer to put in your body.

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> Is the type of flouride relevant or is all flouride bad? I thought the

> problem with the flouride in water is that it is sodium flouride. I

> thought calcium flouride is meant to be good for you???

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[Guest guest]

The different forms of fluoride actually make a huge difference in how much

fluoride is absorbed. Regardless of whether it is natural or manmade, if you

ingest sodium fluoride, your body will absorb most of it, whereas if you ingest

calcium fluoride your body will absorb less than 10% of it. This is according

to multiple different studies performed on humans. That is a huge different,

roughly meaning something along the lines that sodium fluoride is 10 times more

toxic than calcium fluoride.

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[Guest guest]

I would like to see reference to those studies. The electronegativity of

Fluorine is 3.98, Calcium is 1.00, Sodium is .93. Based on electronegativity

alone, the bond between Fluorine and Calcium would be weaker than the bond

between Fluorine and Sodium, so it makes sense that Sodium fluoride would be a

more stable, harder to break molecule than Calcium fluoride, and slower to

breakdown in the human body, making Calcium fluoride more toxic.

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This is just a quick one I found

http://tinyurl.com/2feg7zy

I hope that opens up to the right page (its a google book), but if not, the

page is 139.

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/scdocs/doc/ans_ej882_Calcium_fluoride_op_en.pdf?ssb\

inary=true

Pages 8 and 9 of the above link also state the very low bioavailability of

calcium fluoride.

There are apparently a lot more factors than electronegativity.

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Just to clarify here - Green tea (and black?) is the main culprit, correct? Is

it okay to have organic chamomile - other herbal teas?

Thx.

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[Guest guest]

I think it's unfortunate that there is a perception that all bacteria and

all yeasts are bad for humans. The bacteria and yeast in kombucha are not

destructive to the body, they are probiotics. We must have the good

bacteria and yeast in our gut to be healthy.

On a separate note, I really hope things have not gotten to a state where

medicinal mushrooms are now considered suspect for candida.

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>This is off topic, so I won't respond again, but it's something I wont

>ever ingest again, it is full of fungus/bacteria and mold. sorry, I have

>enough problems without making all that stuff on purpose to ingest! =-)

> Re: green tea contains natural fluoride

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>There is so much misinformation out there. Kombucha is not a fungus, nor

>is it a mushroom. It is a symbiotic culture of probiotic bacteria and

>yeast that happens to be called a 'mushroom' since it is slimy and

>strange. The yeast in kombucha is called Saccharomyces boulardii and it

>can actually fight Candida, but will never grow in any parts of the body

>besides the gut, and has no negative effects on health.

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>Kombucha can grow mold if not properly tended to which can be dangerous,

>but it will be visible on top of the 'mushroom' and that doesn't happen

>most of the time.

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>Kombucha will still have fluoride since its made with tea, and I'm still

>not sure just how healthy it is, but its completely wrong to call it a

>fungus or a mushroom, as it is neither.

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> > I used to drink Kombucha many years ago until I studied

> fungus/mold/candida and their relation to our health; and Kombucha is a

> fungus as are all mushrooms. wouldn't drink it now if you paid me! But I

> think we are getting off topic. Kathleen

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

" The tea plant absorbs fluoride from the soil, it is one of the few plants which

have this mechanism. "

You are correct. Grapes are another common plant. Basically any plant that lives

more than a single season can become a fluoride sink.

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[Guest guest]

Herbs in general are fine. The main thing is to get your iodine levels up

to saturation and keep them there. Then you don't have to worry so much

about halides, of which fluoride is one.

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At 08:09 PM 10/13/2010, you wrote:

>Just to clarify here - Green tea (and black?) is the main culprit,

>correct? Is it okay to have organic chamomile - other herbal teas?

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