Re: Fluoroquinolone Antibiotic Poisoning

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information about the magnesium.  How many milligrams would you suggest for someone who is detoxing high levels of fluoride?  Have any of the doctors/researchers suggested a protocol for this?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Engtovo <engtovo@...> wrote:

 

I don't know about the specific effects of being poisoned by the fluoride based antibiotics as far as long term healing but iodine in high enough amounts will move fluoride off the iodine receptors and out of the body.  When moving out high levels of fluoride there seems to be a need for higher levels of magnesium than the 300 - 400 mg stated in the iodine protocol.

 

Engtovo

From: Gail Hand

Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:23 PM

iodine

Subject: Fluoroquinolone Antibiotic Poisoning

 

Has anyone on this list had any success with detoxing fluoride out of your body using iodine, after being poisoned by a fluoroquinolone antibiotic (Levaquin, Cipro, etc.)?  I have been suffering Levaquin toxicity since taking the fluoroquinolone antibiotic Levaquin last November and having a severe adverse reaction to it.  I've had nerve damage, vision problems, various neurological problems, and possibly tendon problems (getting an MRI this week to find out) as a result of taking Levaquin.  I've been hospitalized a couple of times and had a zillion tests to try to determine what the Levaquin actually did to me.  It is my understanding that it is the fluoride in Levaquin that does the damage, which is why I am hoping to try Iodoral to remove some of the fluoride from my body.  I now know of quite a few people who have been permanently damaged by fluoroquinolone antibiotics.  I would love to hear about anyone who has had success in reversing this type of damage, if there is anyone who has used iodine successfully to recover from fluoroquinolone toxicity.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I used 1200 - 1600 mgs daily for about a year and then was able to reduce to about 800-1000 mgs. I found very little info on detoxing fluoride when we had the problem. LinnOn Mar 10, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Gail Hand wrote:

Thanks for the information about the magnesium. How many milligrams would you suggest for someone who is detoxing high levels of fluoride? Have any of the doctors/researchers suggested a protocol for this?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Engtovo <engtovogmail> wrote:

I don't know about the specific effects of being poisoned by the fluoride based antibiotics as far as long term healing but iodine in high enough amounts will move fluoride off the iodine receptors and out of the body. When moving out high levels of fluoride there seems to be a need for higher levels of magnesium than the 300 - 400 mg stated in the iodine protocol.

Engtovo

From: Gail Hand

Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:23 PM

iodine

Subject: Fluoroquinolone Antibiotic Poisoning

Has anyone on this list had any success with detoxing fluoride out of your body using iodine, after being poisoned by a fluoroquinolone antibiotic (Levaquin, Cipro, etc.)? I have been suffering Levaquin toxicity since taking the fluoroquinolone antibiotic Levaquin last November and having a severe adverse reaction to it. I've had nerve damage, vision problems, various neurological problems, and possibly tendon problems (getting an MRI this week to find out) as a result of taking Levaquin. I've been hospitalized a couple of times and had a zillion tests to try to determine what the Levaquin actually did to me. It is my understanding that it is the fluoride in Levaquin that does the damage, which is why I am hoping to try Iodoral to remove some of the fluoride from my body. I now know of quite a few people who have been permanently damaged by fluoroquinolone antibiotics. I would love to hear about anyone who has had success in reversing this type of damage, if there is anyone who has used iodine successfully to recover from fluoroquinolone toxicity.

[Guest guest]

Well, I had a number of issues develop after taking Levaquin for 3 days for a

bladder infection. This was several years ago now, and it was a few weeks to a

month after the infection was gone that I suddenly developed almost

uncontrollable diarrhea. I managed to track it to dairy, which I had never had

any trouble with before. I switched to soy milk, but had trouble with that

until I read that carrageenan can cause trouble for some people. Once I found a

carrageenan free soy milk, I could tolerate that. I believe that period

probably contributed to developing thyroid trouble, along with the stress on the

thyroid from the fluoride. So, I started taking probiotics. It took almost a

year, but I was able to add dairy back. During this time, I also experience an

shoulder impingement, which I had not traced to the Levaquin until I saw a forum

post about all of these problems that people developed, and now I believe my

shoulder trouble was probably a result of that too. I did a cortisone shot,

which did not help, and then about a year later went back and did physical

therapy, which helped some, but not completely. The dr suggested surgery, but I

wanted to avoid that, so tried a chiropractor for the first time in my life, and

he got me back to about 99%. This was around 9 months ago, and right in there

somewhere I started to have hypo symptoms (did not recognize at first). I

finally had a scary bad menstrual period, after they had been getting worse for

a few months, and the doc checked my TSH, which was 4.9, top end of 'normal'.

She was not concerned, and said to retest in 6 months, but that led me to read

about thyroid. I had added several behaviours that are good for many, bad for

thyroid - raw goitrogens in smoothies, reduced salt intake, several cups of

(high fluoride) green tea a day. I eliminated all fluoride, bought a pitcher

that can remove it for drinking water, and started using kelp. I had steady

improvement. I found the iodine group, and decided the control of Lugols or

Iodorol was much better than taking a chance with seaweed (not to mention the

volumes you would need to eat), so have been doing iodine for a few months, and

am now up to 50 mg Iodorol a day, and can tell I am feeling better all the time.

And, I also noticed that the last twinge is almost gone from my shoulder.

So, that is my story. I had more of a chain of events, and not the severe

damage that you had directly from the drug, but I think the iodine will help.

Beth in MN

>

> Has anyone on this list had any success with detoxing fluoride out of your

> body using iodine, after being poisoned by a fluoroquinolone antibiotic

> (Levaquin, Cipro, etc.)? I have been suffering Levaquin toxicity since

> taking the fluoroquinolone antibiotic Levaquin last November and having a

> severe adverse reaction to it. I've had nerve damage, vision problems,

> various neurological problems, and possibly tendon problems (getting an MRI

> this week to find out) as a result of taking Levaquin. I've been

> hospitalized a couple of times and had a zillion tests to try to determine

> what the Levaquin actually did to me. It is my understanding that it is the

> fluoride in Levaquin that does the damage, which is why I am hoping to try

> Iodoral to remove some of the fluoride from my body. I now know of quite a

> few people who have been permanently damaged by fluoroquinolone

> antibiotics. I would love to hear about anyone who has had success in

> reversing this type of damage, if there is anyone who has used iodine

> successfully to recover from fluoroquinolone toxicity.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah I was just going to say that Dr. Abraham has mentioned 1200 mg may also want to consider the size of the person (people) in question a big guy should be taking a higher dose than a small woman in general so that would apply to increasing for detox as well.

Engtovo

From: Linn

Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 2:53 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Fluoroquinolone Antibiotic Poisoning

I used 1200 - 1600 mgs daily for about a year and then was able to reduce to about 800-1000 mgs. I found very little info on detoxing fluoride when we had the problem.

Linn

On Mar 10, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Gail Hand wrote:

Thanks for the information about the magnesium. How many milligrams would you suggest for someone who is detoxing high levels of fluoride? Have any of the doctors/researchers suggested a protocol for this?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Engtovo <engtovogmail> wrote:

I don't know about the specific effects of being poisoned by the fluoride based antibiotics as far as long term healing but iodine in high enough amounts will move fluoride off the iodine receptors and out of the body. When moving out high levels of fluoride there seems to be a need for higher levels of magnesium than the 300 - 400 mg stated in the iodine protocol.

Engtovo

From: Gail Hand

Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:23 PM

iodine

Subject: Fluoroquinolone Antibiotic Poisoning

Has anyone on this list had any success with detoxing fluoride out of your body using iodine, after being poisoned by a fluoroquinolone antibiotic (Levaquin, Cipro, etc.)? I have been suffering Levaquin toxicity since taking the fluoroquinolone antibiotic Levaquin last November and having a severe adverse reaction to it. I've had nerve damage, vision problems, various neurological problems, and possibly tendon problems (getting an MRI this week to find out) as a result of taking Levaquin. I've been hospitalized a couple of times and had a zillion tests to try to determine what the Levaquin actually did to me. It is my understanding that it is the fluoride in Levaquin that does the damage, which is why I am hoping to try Iodoral to remove some of the fluoride from my body. I now know of quite a few people who have been permanently damaged by fluoroquinolone antibiotics. I would love to hear about anyone who has had success in reversing this type of damage, if there is anyone who has used iodine successfully to recover from fluoroquinolone toxicity.

[Guest guest]

for ATP cofactors, should the dose be ONE 2X a day. or TWO 2X a day?

gracia

Engel wrote:

> If you're taking iodine, these are the recommended supplements

> according to the new member info file on the group

>

> *_Iodine _*

>

> *_These are considered the " must haves " in supplementing per day:_*

> *Vitamin C* - 2,000 - 4,000 mgs

>

> *Selenium* 200 mcg

> *Magnesium* 200 - 400 mgs

> *Celtic Sea Salt* - 1/2 - 1 tsp

> *_

> Additional nutrients to assist with the utilization of iodine:_*

> *ATP CoFactors* <http://www.vrp.com/>* *- 2 - 2x / day

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> *From:* Gail Hand <karengailhand@...>

> *To:* iodine

> *Sent:* Wed, March 10, 2010 3:25:47 PM

> *Subject:* Re: Fluoroquinolone Antibiotic Poisoning

>

> Thanks for the information about the magnesium. How many milligrams

> would you suggest for someone who is detoxing high levels of fluoride?

> Have any of the doctors/researchers suggested a protocol for this?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

...

Boron chelates out fluoride. You can get it separately as a supplement or in

some good chelated calcium/ magnesium supplements.

Lorie

>

> Has anyone on this list had any success with detoxing fluoride out of your

> body using iodine, after being poisoned by a fluoroquinolone antibiotic

> (Levaquin, Cipro, etc.)? I have been suffering Levaquin toxicity since

> taking the fluoroquinolone antibiotic Levaquin last November and having a

> severe adverse reaction to it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:32 PM, ***** wrote:

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Boron chelates out fluoride. You can get it separately as a supplement or in

some good chelated calcium/ magnesium supplements.

Lorie

**

I asked my friend the chemistry teacher about your statement above. He quipped

humorously that boron also chelates iodide and bromide as well as fluoride. Is

that a good thing?

_

felix

[Guest guest]

I was wondering about that too Felix - if all the minerals in that family can chelate each other out then wouldn't taking iodide also chelate out the fluoride?I'm having the same thoughts about hormones and iodide/iodine.  If I understand it correctly it carries hormones more efficiently/effectively though the body. Wouldn't that also include insulin, and might that be why some people (perhaps those who secrete more insulin than needed for their consumed food) gain weight on an iodine regimen?

Still new to this, and one of the unlucky 'weight gainers' to boot,RdKOn Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Felix Peregrino <felix.peregrino@...> wrote:

 

On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:32 PM, ***** wrote:

...

Boron chelates out fluoride. You can get it separately as a supplement or in some good chelated calcium/ magnesium supplements.

Lorie

**

I asked my friend the chemistry teacher about your statement above. He quipped humorously that boron also chelates iodide and bromide as well as fluoride. Is that a good thing?

_

felix

[Guest guest]

On Mar 13, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Racine Kringle wrote:

I was wondering about that too Felix - if all the minerals in that family can

chelate each other out then wouldn't taking iodide also chelate out the

fluoride?

**

My friend talked about the need for an intimate understanding of electrolyte

balance that usually takes a specialized medical fellowship at a teaching

hospital in order to grok the meaning of what the signs or omens of it going

awry might evince. Outta my league. I shouldn't have posted.

_

felix