Re: US source for Lugols 10%?

[Guest guest]

M,

Lugol's Iodine, by a federal DEA (USA) regulation, cannot be sold in

concentrations greater than 2.2% iodine (see below). You might consider making

your own. A recipe for a 10% Lugol's Iodine was posted on the Iodine Group on

April 24, 2010: iodine/message/59201 Also,

there are YouTube clips on how to make Lugol's Iodine. Good luck.

Greg

Usefulness of Iodine Alert

DEA Change In the Regulation Of Products Containing Iodine

Effective August 1 2007

[Federal Register: July 2, 2007 (Volume 72, Number 126)]

[Rules and Regulations]

[Page 35920-35931]

From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]

[DOCID:fr02jy07-6]

=======================================================================

———————————————————————–

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

Drug Enforcement Administration

21 CFR Parts 1309 and 1310

[Docket No. DEA-257F]

RIN 1117-AA93

Changes in the Regulation of Iodine Crystals and Chemical

Mixtures Containing Over 2.2 Percent Iodine

AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Justice.

ACTION: Final rule.

———————————————————————–

SUMMARY: This rulemaking changes the regulation of the listed chemical

iodine under the chemical regulatory provisions of the Controlled

Substances Act (CSA). The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)

believes that this action is necessary to remove deficiencies in the

existing regulatory controls, which have been exploited by drug

traffickers who divert iodine (in the form of iodine crystals and

iodine tincture) for the illicit production of methamphetamine in

clandestine drug laboratories. This rulemaking moves iodine from List

II to List I; reduces the iodine threshold from 0.4 kilograms to zero

kilograms; adds import and export regulatory controls; and controls

[[Page 35921]]

chemical mixtures containing greater than 2.2 percent iodine.

This rulemaking establishes regulatory controls that will apply to

iodine crystals and iodine chemical mixtures that contain greater than

2.2 percent iodine. This regulation therefore controls iodine crystals

and strong iodine tinctures/solutions (e.g., 7 percent iodine) that do

not have common household uses and instead have limited application in

livestock, horses, and for disinfection of equipment. Household

products such as 2 percent iodine tincture/solution and household

disinfectants containing iodine complexes will not be adversely

impacted by this regulation. Additionally, the final rule exempts

transactions of up to one-fluid-ounce (30 ml) of Lugol's Solution.

Persons handling regulated iodine materials are required to

register with DEA, are subject to the import/export notification

requirements of the CSA, and are required to maintain records of all

regulated transactions involving iodine regardless of size.

DATES: This rulemaking becomes effective on August 1, 2007. Persons

seeking registration must apply on or before August 31, 2007 in order

to continue their business pending final action by DEA on their

application.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: A. Sannerud, Ph.D., Chief,

Drug and Chemical Evaluation Section, Office of Diversion Control, Drug

Enforcement Administration, Washington, DC 20537 at (202) 307-7183.

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:

I. Background Information on Iodine

This rulemaking finalizes an August 11, 2006, Notice of Proposed

Rulemaking (NPRM) [71 FR 46144] in which DEA proposed (1) the movement

of iodine from List II to List I; (2) a reduction in the iodine

threshold from 0.4 kilograms to zero kilograms; (3) the addition of

import and export regulatory controls; and (4) the control of chemical

mixtures containing greater than 2.2 percent iodine. This action is

being taken because of the continued use of iodine for the illicit

production of the schedule II controlled substances amphetamine and

methamphetamine. Methamphetamine is the leading controlled substance

clandestinely manufactured in the United States.

Faced with the growing threat of methamphetamine abuse in the

United States and the ease with which methamphetamine is clandestinely

produced using iodine, the DEA is increasing the regulatory controls on

iodine in an effort to prevent the diversion of iodine to clandestine

drug laboratories.

Need for Increased Regulation

This rulemaking changes the regulatory control of iodine in an

effort to prevent the diversion of iodine for the illicit production of

methamphetamine and amphetamine. The August 11, 2006, NPRM went into

great detail regarding the scope of the domestic and international

clandestine laboratory problem, use of iodine in the production of

methamphetamine/amphetamine, and the need to increase regulatory

controls on iodine.

As stated in the NPRM, due to the regulatory controls placed on the

listed chemical hydriodic acid, drug traffickers began using iodine as

a substitute chemical in the illicit production of methamphetamine and

amphetamine, both schedule II controlled substances. Hydriodic acid

became a regulated chemical upon enactment of the Chemical Diversion

and Trafficking Act of 1988 (Pub. L. 100-690). Hydriodic acid, like

iodine, was initially regulated as a List II chemical. Hydriodic acid

was reclassified as a List I chemical by enactment of the Crime Control

Act of 1990 (Pub. L. 101-647).

The Domestic Chemical Diversion Control Act of 1993 (DCDCA) (Pub.

L. 103-200) required that handlers of List I chemicals be registered.

This increased regulatory control and made it more difficult for

traffickers to acquire hydriodic acid. Faced with this difficulty,

traffickers began to substitute iodine for hydriodic acid for the

illicit production of methamphetamine and amphetamine.

Iodine is commonly used with the List I chemicals phosphorus or

hypophosphorous acid and ephedrine or pseudoephedrine to manufacture

methamphetamine, which is now the most prevalent method used by

traffickers. The List I chemicals phenylpropanolamine or

norpseudoephedrine can be made into amphetamine by the same method.

In response to the increased use of iodine in clandestine drug

laboratories, Congress controlled iodine as a List II chemical by

amending Section 102(35) of the CSA (21 U.S.C. 802(35)) by passage of

Pub. L. 104-237, the Comprehensive Methamphetamine Control Act of 1996

(MCA) on October 3, 1996.

Although iodine became subject to CSA chemical regulatory controls,

traffickers have exploited certain deficiencies in these controls to

divert iodine. Only certain domestic distributions are regulated

transactions, and distributions below the 0.4 kilogram cumulative

threshold (about one pound), within a calendar month, are not regarded

as regulated transactions. Import and export transactions of iodine are

not regulated, regardless of the quantity distributed. Additionally,

because iodine is a List II chemical, handlers of iodine are not

required to register with DEA. These loopholes have been exploited by

drug traffickers and the businesses that supply them.

While the regulatory controls placed on iodine apply to iodine

crystals, they have not pertained to iodine tinctures (solutions of

iodine and iodide in alcohol), which are considered chemical mixtures.

Drug traffickers are currently circumventing CSA regulatory controls

via the diversion of iodine tinctures. Traffickers have learned that

the tinctures can serve as a ready source of iodine crystals when the

tincture is subjected to the appropriate chemical reaction.

Existing regulations pertaining to iodine have proved to be

inadequate to prevent diversion. Traffickers have been able to make

undocumented purchases of iodine crystals (up to the existing threshold

of 0.4 kilograms), make unlimited purchases of iodine tincture, and

make undocumented import and export shipments of iodine. Additionally,

because iodine is a List II chemical and distributors are not

registered, it is difficult for DEA to identify all handlers of

regulated material.

>

> I can't seem to fine the 10% sollution. Can someone share their source,

please?

>

> M

>

[Guest guest]

I've seen 5% at Amazon.com, and another member of this list did mention that he

takes 10%, but I do think I may give making it myself a go. I had been wondering

if that was wise, but I now feel encouraged. Thank you.

M.

>

> M,

>

> Lugol's Iodine, by a federal DEA (USA) regulation, cannot be sold in

concentrations greater than 2.2% iodine (see below).

[Guest guest]

You can order Lugol's 5% from Xenex labs in BC, Canada (500mls / $38 CDN). They

ship to the US and other international locations.

Ziggy

> >

> > M,

> >

> > Lugol's Iodine, by a federal DEA (USA) regulation, cannot be sold in

concentrations greater than 2.2% iodine (see below).

>

[Guest guest]

You actually can get Lugol's 5% in US but only 1oz. max size. I order from

www.Jcrow.com. If you want to double the drops you can order the 2% and buy as

up to a gallon.

[Guest guest]

Is 2% percent doubled still considered Lugol's solution. It is my understanding that what makes it Lugol's is the formulation and amount of actual ingredients. ? It is called Lugol's solution because the scientist, G.A. Lugol, French physician, 1786-1851,  made it using specific amounts. ?

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, TAK <takdrd@...> wrote:

 

You actually can get Lugol's 5% in US but only 1oz. max size. I order from www.Jcrow.com. If you want to double the drops you can order the 2% and buy as up to a gallon.

[Guest guest]

oops forgot my sig.Thanks, beeOn Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:54 AM, beebee <deltronik4@...> wrote:

Is 2% percent doubled still considered Lugol's solution. It is my understanding that what makes it Lugol's is the formulation and amount of actual ingredients. ? It is called Lugol's solution because the scientist, G.A. Lugol, French physician, 1786-1851,  made it using specific amounts. ?

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:13 AM, TAK <takdrd@...> wrote:

 

You actually can get Lugol's 5% in US but only 1oz. max size. I order from www.Jcrow.com. If you want to double the drops you can order the 2% and buy as up to a gallon.

[Guest guest]

It's all called Lugol's because it has the same ratio of potassium iodide

and elemental iodine in a water base. If you want to make your own to the

original specs you can buy the raw ingredients from a guy on ebay.

--

>Is 2% percent doubled still considered Lugol's solution. It is my

>understanding that what makes it Lugol's is the formulation and amount of

>actual ingredients. ? It is called Lugol's solution because the scientist,

>G.A. Lugol, French physician, 1786-1851, made it using specific

>amounts. ?

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

The MSDS for 2% Lugol's:

Iodine 2%

Potassium Iodide 4%

Distilled Water 94%

The MSDS for 5% Lugol's:

Iodine 5%

Potassium Iodide 10%

Distilled Water: 85%

>

> It's all called Lugol's because it has the same ratio of potassium iodide

> and elemental iodine in a water base. If you want to make your own to the

> original specs you can buy the raw ingredients from a guy on ebay.

>

> --

>

> >Is 2% percent doubled still considered Lugol's solution. It is my

> >understanding that what makes it Lugol's is the formulation and amount of

> >actual ingredients. ? It is called Lugol's solution because the scientist,

> >G.A. Lugol, French physician, 1786-1851, made it using specific

> >amounts. ?

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

The MSDS for 2% Lugol's:

Iodine 2%

Potassium Iodide 4%

Distilled Water 94%

The MSDS for 5% Lugol's:

Iodine 5%

Potassium Iodide 10%

Distilled Water: 85%

>

> It's all called Lugol's because it has the same ratio of potassium iodide

> and elemental iodine in a water base. If you want to make your own to the

> original specs you can buy the raw ingredients from a guy on ebay.

>

> --

>

> >Is 2% percent doubled still considered Lugol's solution. It is my

> >understanding that what makes it Lugol's is the formulation and amount of

> >actual ingredients. ? It is called Lugol's solution because the scientist,

> >G.A. Lugol, French physician, 1786-1851, made it using specific

> >amounts. ?

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know what you're talking about. We have had recipes for making

your own posted on this list, and they were always done with math that made

them all come out to the same ratio.

--

At 08:48 PM 10/26/2010, you wrote:

>The MSDS for 2% Lugol's:

>

>Iodine 2%

>Potassium Iodide 4%

>Distilled Water 94%

>

>

>The MSDS for 5% Lugol's:

>

>Iodine 5%

>Potassium Iodide 10%

>Distilled Water: 85%

>

>

>

>

> >

> > It's all called Lugol's because it has the same ratio of potassium iodide

> > and elemental iodine in a water base. If you want to make your own to

> the

> > original specs you can buy the raw ingredients from a guy on ebay.

> >

> > --

> >

> > >Is 2% percent doubled still considered Lugol's solution. It is my

> > >understanding that what makes it Lugol's is the formulation and amount of

> > >actual ingredients. ? It is called Lugol's solution because the

> scientist,

> > >G.A. Lugol, French physician, 1786-1851, made it using specific

> > >amounts. ?

> >

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

MSDS is the Material Safety Data Sheet. A link to Wikipedia re: MSDS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSDS

An excerpt from that link regarding MSDS in the United States:

" United States

In the U.S., the Occupational Safety and Health Administration requires that

MSDS be available to employees for potentially harmful substances handled in the

workplace under the Hazard Communication regulation. The MSDS is also required

to be made available to local fire departments and local and state emergency

planning officials under Section 311 of the Emergency Planning and Community

Right-to-Know Act. The American Chemical Society defines Chemical Abstracts

Service Registry Numbers (CAS numbers) which provide a unique number for each

chemical and are also used internationally in MSDSs. "

This information I shared previously (% of ingredients) was taken from Section 2

- Hazardous Ingredients / Identity Information from J. Crow's Lugol's solutions,

here is the link to the 5% solution @ J. Crows:

http://www.jcrows.com/lugolsmsds5percent.html

Here is a link to the MSDS of Lugol's @ ScienceStuff.com which indicates the

exact same proportions: http://www.sciencestuff.com/msds/C2002.html, and also a

link to Vanderbuilt University with the MSDS for Lugol's from the Medical

Chemical Corp: http://www.safety.vanderbilt.edu/pdf/hcs_msds/Lugolsiodine.pdf

Wikipedia: Lugol's iodine Formula and Manufacture: Same proportions. Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugol's_iodine

Perhaps you could point me to the recipes that you are referring to and their

source? Is this information in the Files and I missed it?

> > >

> > > It's all called Lugol's because it has the same ratio of potassium iodide

> > > and elemental iodine in a water base. If you want to make your own to

> > the

> > > original specs you can buy the raw ingredients from a guy on ebay.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > >Is 2% percent doubled still considered Lugol's solution. It is my

> > > >understanding that what makes it Lugol's is the formulation and amount of

> > > >actual ingredients. ? It is called Lugol's solution because the

> > scientist,

> > > >G.A. Lugol, French physician, 1786-1851, made it using specific

> > > >amounts. ?

> > >

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

I don't trust Wikipedia for information regarding nutritional supplements.

>Perhaps you could point me to the recipes that you are referring to and

>their source? Is this information in the Files and I missed it?

It's not in a Files post. Below are email posts from two of our members

with various formulas. from Israel says that the ratios change

somewhat for 10% Lugol's because of the nonsolubility of iodine crystals in

water. So that may be an answer for your original question. hope this

helps. I'm glad to have looked this up again because I'm about to make my

own first batch. The minerals can be purchased in small to large amounts

from a fellow on ebay. --

==============================

I make my own Lugol's original formula (5%). 85ml distilled water mixed

with 10g postassium iodide (KI), then add 5g iodine crystals(I). It will

need to set in a covered container to allow all the crystals to dissolve.

Dose equivalent is 6.25mg/drop (vertical) when the iodine is in solution.

You will need a scale to measure with. Water weighs one gram/ml. Storage

period is indefinite with a properly sealed glass bottle. Rubber stoppered

bottles typically deteriorate within a year.

========================

Formula to make 5% Lugol's iodine one ounce batch:

2.84g KI

1.42g I

24.14ml HOH

=========================

Here is the method for making 5% Lugol's iodine (6.25 mg/drop) in a nutshell:

1. Obtain a clean, empty 1 quart container (with lid)

2. Fill about halfway with distilled water (RO water is also okay)

3. Put in 44 grams of elemental iodine crystal (you need a scale)

4. Stir with non-metal spoon (wood is okay).

5. Put in 88 grams of potassium iodide, and stir some more.

6. Fill jar to about 80% of capacity with distilled water.

7. Let it set overnight. If cap is metal, put waxed paper between it and

the jar; iodine attacks metal.

8. The next day, it is ready for use.

============================================

In my estimation, the caustic zinc chloride paste found in " black salves "

works because a high pH kills fungus. The normal skin is reddened, but not

destroyed by the paste which melts the chitin layer of the fungus. The

result is a liquid mass of spores that are ejected from the skin. A similar

phenomena occurs with bloodroot paste. Iodine also destroys the protective

amino acid layer(chitin)of the fungus. As for making strong iodine

preparations, see below.

To make a 10% STRONG IODINE TINCTURE, you need the following:

• Grain alcohol (95% ethanol)

• Distilled water (R.O. water okay)

• Iodine crystals (I2)

• Potassium iodide (KI)

• Scale to measure amounts, preferably in grams

• Dark glass container with a plastic top or at least some sort of

insulator that does not allow the iodine to come into contact with metal

(iodine destroys metal). If you use a mason jar with a metal lid, put an

insulator in the lid, such as waxed paper. If you use an all-glass mason

jar, and it is not dark, then store the jar in a cardboard box to keep it dark.

1. Mix 2 fluid ounces (59 ml) of distilled water with 2 fluid ounces (59

ml) of grain alcohol in a dark glass container.

2. Mix 10 grams (0.35 oz.) of potassium iodide into the solution prepared

in step one. Use a wooden or plastic spoon to stir--do not use metal! Stir

until completely mixed.

3. Add 14.2 grams of iodine crystals to the mix, being very careful not to

touch the iodine crystals--they can burn the skin. If you come into contact

with the iodine crystals, wash your hands immediately with plenty of water.

Stir with the wooden or plastic spoon, and cover with a non-metal cover.

Let it sit overnight.

In the morning, stir once more or shake the solution. You now have 10%

strong iodine tincture, which should only be used externally on skin cancer

areas. If the skin cancer areas are inside mucus membranes or other

sensitive areas, then you need a preparation of Lugol's solution instead

that does not contain alcohol.

To prepare a 10% LUGOL'S SOLUTION, the ratios of the elements change

somewhat, since elemental iodine is not very soluble in water (it is more

soluble in alcohol). Thus, a higher percentage of KI is needed.

1. Put 118 ml (4 fl. oz.) of distilled water in a dark glass container.

2. Mix 33.7 grams (1.18 oz.) of potassium iodide into the solution prepared

in step one. Use a wooden or plastic spoon to stir--do not use metal! Stir

until completely mixed.

3. Add 16.9 grams of iodine crystals to the mix, being very careful not to

touch the iodine crystals--they can burn the skin. If you come into contact

with the iodine crystals, wash your hands immediately with plenty of water.

Stir with the wooden or plastic spoon, and cover with a non-metal cover.

Let it sit overnight.

In the morning, stir once more or shake the solution. You now have a 10%

Lugol's solution, which can be taken internally or externally. If you

choose to take the solution internally, note that the concentration is

approximately 25.5 mg/drop! (Assuming the drop size is such that 70 drops

make up 1 teaspoon).

Note that the iodine concentrations posted on www.altcancer.com are

non-standard; they are including the potassium iodide in the percent

calculation. The standard Lugol's solution of 5% means that there is 5%

elemental iodine in the solution and the iodide is not considered. However,

when you calculate the mg/drop of iodine, the iodide is taken into account.

To do this, note that iodide is 0.769 times the total KI present, the ratio

of atomic weights of iodine to potassium. Then, [i + KI(0.769)]/ml = the

concentration of iodine. So when the altcancer folks talk about 15%

Lugol's solution, it is really only about 7% according to conventional

calculations. Their products are good, including the iodine, but be aware

of the inflated percentages.

Proof that the 10% Lugols solution described above is truly 10%:

16.9 gr/(16.9 gr + 33.7 gr + 118 ml) = 0.10 or (10 %) A similar calculation

can be performed for the strong iodine tincture.

/Israel

>

>

> From: Yochanan <yburkett@...>

> Subject: Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

> iodine

> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 1:07 AM

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

> Pamela,

>

> Not only will iodine get rid of squamous cell carincoma, but even

melanoma. Dr. Simoncini of Italy uses a 7% topical solution of iodine to

get rid of skin cancer of all types. For faster results, use Cansema. The

recommended source for Cansema is from the patent-holder at www.altcancer.

com. There are FDA fakes out there, so beware!

>

> It is nearly impossible to find 7% iodine for purchase, even on the

Internet, so I suggest you make your own solution by purchasing iodine

crystals and potassium iodide on eBay. You also have the flexibility of

tailoring the concentration, in addition to saving money. Shipping cost is

reduced because you can add your own distilled water to the mixture.

Contact me personally if you want to know the exact amounts of iodine

crystals, potassium iodide, and distilled water to make a 7% or even 10%

solution (I would personally go for the 10% solution).

>

> Iodine treatment is slower than using zinc chloride or bloodroot

preparations, but after a few months you will still see results. The

advantage here is that iodine will cause less pain. Alternatively, you can

use milder forms of Cansema, such as those with an Aloe-Vera base. The

downside of using iodine is that it can cause severe itching. So either

way, you are faced with pain and/or severe itching. Getting rid of fungus

(also called cancer) is no picnic.

>

> /Israel

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Oh, umm ... A MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) is not a nutritional supplement

- it is a document required by OSHA.

But perhaps a government site is more credible, here is the link to OSHA.gov

describing MSDS section of Hazard Communication Standard:

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/searchresults.relevance?p_text=msds & p_status=CUR\

RENT & p_title=

excerpt: " Chemical manufacturers and importers shall obtain or develop a

material safety data sheet for each hazardous chemical they produce or import.

Employers shall have a material safety data sheet in the workplace for each

hazardous chemical which they use. "

I would hope that these companies that are selling 2% & 5% Lugol's solution and

providing a MSDS (a federal document) are indeed using the ratio's stated

therein.

Also found this ... On November 21, 2009 in message #48468 gave this

response to an inquiry:

-quote:

Glad it helped. Here is the formal " recipe " of Lugol's 5% solution:

Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide (KI)

mixed with 85 ml distilled water, to make a brown solution with a total iodine

content of 130 mg/mL. Potassium iodide renders the elementary iodine soluble in

water through the formation of the triiodide (I3 & #8722;) ion. It is not to be

confused with tincture of iodine solutions, which consist of elemental iodine,

and iodide salts dissolved in water and alcohol. Lugol's solution contains no

alcohol.

I liked Iodoral just from the ease of taking it - I can grab it and bring it

with me. Liquids are harder. You can't travel well with them. I feel better

on Iodoral vs Liquid Lugol's too.

-end quote

She didn't say where she got her information but it does correlate with the

MSDS's that I referred to and the recipe on Wikipedia as well.

Oh, and ... I didn't have a question about 10% Lugol's solution ... I

responded to your comment " It's all called Lugol's because it has the same ratio

of potassium iodide and elemental iodine in a water base. "

It's great that and posted their recipes and in 's case with such

detail. So now I do have a question about the 10% solution ... Does anyone

remember the MSDS that came with Lugol's 10% when it was still on the market?

If so, was grain alcohol in that solution as well? Not trying to discredit

from Israel, I'm just curious.

Does the mineral supplier from eBay indicate if his materials are USP or ACS

standard? Is he as credible as a chemical supply company that works with ACS

and/or has MSDS for his products? Did any information come with the minerals

you received?

Good that we are chatting about this, I think folks will occasionally want to

know if they can make their own solution's and if so how to do it

safely/correctly and how to verify things if possible. Perhaps the data you are

collecting will result in a " How to " sheet to put in the group files.

Good luck with your first batch ~ will be interesting to hear what you think of

it after having used a commercially prepared product.

Thanks for digging up those recipes!

> >

> >

> > From: Yochanan <yburkett@>

> > Subject: Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

> > iodine

> > Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 1:07 AM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > Pamela,

> >

> > Not only will iodine get rid of squamous cell carincoma, but even

> melanoma. Dr. Simoncini of Italy uses a 7% topical solution of iodine to

> get rid of skin cancer of all types. For faster results, use Cansema. The

> recommended source for Cansema is from the patent-holder at www.altcancer.

> com. There are FDA fakes out there, so beware!

> >

> > It is nearly impossible to find 7% iodine for purchase, even on the

> Internet, so I suggest you make your own solution by purchasing iodine

> crystals and potassium iodide on eBay. You also have the flexibility of

> tailoring the concentration, in addition to saving money. Shipping cost is

> reduced because you can add your own distilled water to the mixture.

> Contact me personally if you want to know the exact amounts of iodine

> crystals, potassium iodide, and distilled water to make a 7% or even 10%

> solution (I would personally go for the 10% solution).

> >

> > Iodine treatment is slower than using zinc chloride or bloodroot

> preparations, but after a few months you will still see results. The

> advantage here is that iodine will cause less pain. Alternatively, you can

> use milder forms of Cansema, such as those with an Aloe-Vera base. The

> downside of using iodine is that it can cause severe itching. So either

> way, you are faced with pain and/or severe itching. Getting rid of fungus

> (also called cancer) is no picnic.

> >

> > /Israel

>

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

I MADE A MISTAKE:

I shouldn't have posted that 10% Iodine Tincture recipe that has alcohol in

it. That is NOT a Lugol's recipe, that is a strong tincture for putting on

skin cancer. As the description says, it is for EXTERNAL USE

ONLY!!!!! People please read the materials carefully to distinguish the

various recipes.

Below the 10% Iodine TINCTURE recipe (that has alcohol in it) there is a

recipe for actual 10% LUGOL's. And I may have misunderstood 's

original reference to the changed ratios-- it was only in relation to the

TINCTURE, I think. Not sure.

==========================================

I don't know anything about where the ebay seller gets his materials, I

didn't ask, but I trust them. The materials are perfectly clean and I am

exceedingly happy to have access, so I really hope this is not building up

into some kind of issue with it.

--

>Oh, umm ... A MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) is not a nutritional

>supplement - it is a document required by OSHA.

>

>But perhaps a government site is more credible, here is the link to

>OSHA.gov describing MSDS section of Hazard Communication Standard:

>http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/searchresults.relevance?p_text=msds & p_status=CU\

RRENT & p_title=

>

>excerpt: " Chemical manufacturers and importers shall obtain or develop a

>material safety data sheet for each hazardous chemical they produce or

>import. Employers shall have a material safety data sheet in the workplace

>for each hazardous chemical which they use. "

>

>I would hope that these companies that are selling 2% & 5% Lugol's

>solution and providing a MSDS (a federal document) are indeed using the

>ratio's stated therein.

>

>Also found this ... On November 21, 2009 in message #48468 gave

>this response to an inquiry:

>

>-quote:

>Glad it helped. Here is the formal " recipe " of Lugol's 5% solution:

>

>Lugol's solution consists of 5 g iodine (I2) and 10 g potassium iodide

>(KI) mixed with 85 ml distilled water, to make a brown solution with a

>total iodine content of 130 mg/mL. Potassium iodide renders the elementary

>iodine soluble in water through the formation of the triiodide (I3 & #8722;)

>ion. It is not to be confused with tincture of iodine solutions, which

>consist of elemental iodine, and iodide salts dissolved in water and

>alcohol. Lugol's solution contains no alcohol.

>

>I liked Iodoral just from the ease of taking it - I can grab it and bring

>it with me. Liquids are harder. You can't travel well with them. I feel

>better on Iodoral vs Liquid Lugol's too.

>

>

> -end quote

>

>She didn't say where she got her information but it does correlate with

>the MSDS's that I referred to and the recipe on Wikipedia as well.

>

>Oh, and ... I didn't have a question about 10% Lugol's solution ... I

>responded to your comment " It's all called Lugol's because it has the same

>ratio of potassium iodide and elemental iodine in a water base. "

>

>It's great that and posted their recipes and in 's case

>with such detail. So now I do have a question about the 10% solution

>... Does anyone remember the MSDS that came with Lugol's 10% when it was

>still on the market? If so, was grain alcohol in that solution as

>well? Not trying to discredit from Israel, I'm just curious.

>

>Does the mineral supplier from eBay indicate if his materials are USP or

>ACS standard? Is he as credible as a chemical supply company that works

>with ACS and/or has MSDS for his products? Did any information come with

>the minerals you received?

>

>Good that we are chatting about this, I think folks will occasionally want

>to know if they can make their own solution's and if so how to do it

>safely/correctly and how to verify things if possible. Perhaps the data

>you are collecting will result in a " How to " sheet to put in the group files.

>

>Good luck with your first batch ~ will be interesting to hear what you

>think of it after having used a commercially prepared product.

>

>Thanks for digging up those recipes!

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > From: Yochanan <yburkett@>

> > > Subject: Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

> > > iodine

> > > Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 1:07 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pamela,

> > >

> > > Not only will iodine get rid of squamous cell carincoma, but even

> > melanoma. Dr. Simoncini of Italy uses a 7% topical solution of iodine to

> > get rid of skin cancer of all types. For faster results, use Cansema. The

> > recommended source for Cansema is from the patent-holder at www.altcancer.

> > com. There are FDA fakes out there, so beware!

> > >

> > > It is nearly impossible to find 7% iodine for purchase, even on the

> > Internet, so I suggest you make your own solution by purchasing iodine

> > crystals and potassium iodide on eBay. You also have the flexibility of

> > tailoring the concentration, in addition to saving money. Shipping cost is

> > reduced because you can add your own distilled water to the mixture.

> > Contact me personally if you want to know the exact amounts of iodine

> > crystals, potassium iodide, and distilled water to make a 7% or even 10%

> > solution (I would personally go for the 10% solution).

> > >

> > > Iodine treatment is slower than using zinc chloride or bloodroot

> > preparations, but after a few months you will still see results. The

> > advantage here is that iodine will cause less pain. Alternatively, you can

> > use milder forms of Cansema, such as those with an Aloe-Vera base. The

> > downside of using iodine is that it can cause severe itching. So either

> > way, you are faced with pain and/or severe itching. Getting rid of fungus

> > (also called cancer) is no picnic.

> > >

> > > /Israel

> >

> >

> >

> > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> > --A.J. Muste

> >

>

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT

>group IodineOT/

>

>

>Commonly asked questions: http://tinyurl.com/yhnds5e

[Guest guest]

I outlined the steps to make true 10% Lugol's solution as posted below, and no,

it does not contain alcohol. This preparation produces 25.5 mg/drop!

Be careful not to confuse the 10% Lugol's solution and the 10% strong tincture

(based on alcohol), as both are described below.

/Israel

> >

> >

> > From: Yochanan <yburkett@>

> > Subject: Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

> > iodine

> > Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 1:07 AM

> >

> >

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> > Pamela,

> >

> > Not only will iodine get rid of squamous cell carincoma, but even

> melanoma. Dr. Simoncini of Italy uses a 7% topical solution of iodine to

> get rid of skin cancer of all types. For faster results, use Cansema. The

> recommended source for Cansema is from the patent-holder at www.altcancer.

> com. There are FDA fakes out there, so beware!

> >

> > It is nearly impossible to find 7% iodine for purchase, even on the

> Internet, so I suggest you make your own solution by purchasing iodine

> crystals and potassium iodide on eBay. You also have the flexibility of

> tailoring the concentration, in addition to saving money. Shipping cost is

> reduced because you can add your own distilled water to the mixture.

> Contact me personally if you want to know the exact amounts of iodine

> crystals, potassium iodide, and distilled water to make a 7% or even 10%

> solution (I would personally go for the 10% solution).

> >

> > Iodine treatment is slower than using zinc chloride or bloodroot

> preparations, but after a few months you will still see results. The

> advantage here is that iodine will cause less pain. Alternatively, you can

> use milder forms of Cansema, such as those with an Aloe-Vera base. The

> downside of using iodine is that it can cause severe itching. So either

> way, you are faced with pain and/or severe itching. Getting rid of fungus

> (also called cancer) is no picnic.

> >

> > /Israel

>

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>