Re: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

[Guest guest]

I don't have an exact figure, selenium is good for so many things, and has so

many benefits I take it regardless.

So I would for any amount.

Most here take 200mcg

Bruce

Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

Bruce, How much Iodine is considered harmful when not taking Selenium?

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> There is solid, many, and consistent studies on pubmed that extra iodine

taken without selenium causes damage!

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> Bruce

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> most published randomised controlled intervention

> >>trials in human populations failed to confirm an impact of selenium

> >>supplementation on thyroid metabolism. Little evidence is available on

> >>interactions between iodine and zinc metabolism. "

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[Guest guest]

I would go with the supplements. That way you are knowing what amount and what you are putting into your body. Plus, brazil nuts contain something else that they are spraying them with. I forget. I'm sure someone on the group will chime in. You also need to take the other companion supplements not just selenium. from IllinoisFrom: "lsayre@..."

<lsayre@...>iodine Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 6:18:31 PMSubject: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

Expanding upon my own inquiry, I'm taking 6.25 mg of daily Iodoral (Lugol's in tablet form), and I eat 2 Brazil Nuts a day for selenium, but I've read where Brazil Nuts can have anywhere from no selenium to loads of it depending specifically upon where they are grown, and since no one taking Brazil Nuts for selenium ever has any real idea as to what level of selenium (if any) they may contain, I just might not be getting any supplemental levels of selenium.

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> > >>trials in human populations failed to confirm an impact of selenium

> > >>supplementation on thyroid metabolism. Little evidence is available on

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[Guest guest]

I know natural thyrod hormones groups and many other state ferritin levels must

be tested.

File:

" This following information comes from the www.goodhormonehealth.com site:

" The normal range for ferritin is usually between 30 and 300 mg/dL, but Dr.

Friedman recommends iron treatment for

everyone with a ferritin less than 60 mg/dL. The goal of treatment is to raise

ferritin levels to a value between 70 and

90 mg/dL and is usually achieved with oral iron treatment. Raising ferritin

levels to this range may be needed for

patients with hypothyroidism to have an optimal response to thyroid hormone

treatment. "

Bruce

Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

Except for the negative slant on selenium which probably deserves more research

this article ties in nicely with the recent posts on ferritin

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferritin)

>> Someone posted this on our thyroid group. Thought I'd share.

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> The impact of common micronutrient deficiencies on iodine and thyroid

metabolism: the evidence from human studies

" ....Other common deficiencies of micronutrients such as iron, selenium,

vitamin A, and possibly zinc may interact with iodine nutrition and thyroid

function. Randomised controlled intervention trials in iodine- and

iron-deficient populations have shown that providing iron along with iodine

results in greater improvements in thyroid function and volume than providing

iodine alone. "

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> " Vitamin A supplementation given alone or in combination with iodised salt can

have a beneficial impact on thyroid function and thyroid size.

> Despite numerous studies of the effect of selenium on iodine and thyroid

metabolism in animals, most published randomised controlled intervention trials

in human populations failed to confirm an impact of selenium supplementation on

thyroid metabolism. Little evidence is available on interactions between iodine

and zinc metabolism. "

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree with this. The body works it out.

Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

What if no one took supplements in pill form? What if everyone just got all their nutrients from food? I don't think God put a warning sign on Brazil Nuts, saying "Do Not Eat if you are also Eating Seaweed or Kelp." It's just silly to say that selenium doesn't mix with iodine. They're both found in nature, in foods that we eat and combine every day.Beverly

[Guest guest]

Ideally we would all get out nutrients from food.

But unfortunately, with the status of the soils in

the world today it's almost impossible. So

supplementing it is. Unless you grow your own

organics and eat the foods rich in these

nutrients. Orrrr if you have a local organic

farmer you can buy the good stuff from directly:)

Unfortunately in my area there are not that many

organic farmers. Most of the farmers grow corn,

soybeans, millet, hay, cotton, and peanuts.

Hundreds of acres of the stuff.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Beverly53 wrote:

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> all their nutrients from food? I don't think God put a warning sign on

> Brazil Nuts, saying " Do Not Eat if you are also Eating Seaweed or Kelp. "

> It's just silly to say that selenium doesn't mix with iodine. They're

> both found in nature, in foods that we eat and combine every day.

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[Guest guest]

I was listening to C2C and they had a biodynamic farmer on who suggested that if you start an organic farm, to use rock dust to mineralize the soil to grow your vegetables in. Has anyone ever hear of rock dust?

jag

From: kcpeterson55343 <kcp@...>Subject: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorptioniodine Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:05 AM

Beverly,The problem is we have depleted our soil and the minerals are not there in most states or countries of the world, so supplements are necessary. I think the only states that are known to have high selenium are the Dakotas and if you live there you need to consult a physician as to the amount of selenium to add to your diet. Most nuts are pasteurized and/or irradiated these days by law so unless you are getting your Brazil nuts from outside the USA the nuts have very little goodness left in them, so taking selenium as prescribed in the Iodine Protocol makes sense to me.Kris> > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Definitely. One can call this " beyond organic " am much into this;

Good/best place is;

quote:

High Brix Project Update February 18 2010

The purpose of the High Brix Project is to prove a correlation between mineral

balance in the soil, Brix measurements, and mineral nutrients in the crop. The

growers who have volunteered for the project have agreed to share their soil

test results and Brix readings, and to get a plant tissue mineral analysis of

their crop which will also be shared. The goal is to prove that we can grow

crops that contain much higher levels of nutrients than the standard fare,

whether " conventional " or organic, as compared to the average nutrients listed

in the USDA publications, historical averages, and various scientific studies,

and to prove that nutrient levels and Brix are directly linked to the amount and

balance of minerals in the soil.

The project presently has 29 members, mostly from the US, but also from Canada,

Denmark, Australia, and Zambia. We have tropical fruit orchards, coffee

plantations, and pastures where sheep and cattle graze as well as many vegetable

growers, both home garden and commercial. Members are using the methods of Carey

Reams, Albrecht et al, Biodynamics, and combinations of the three along

with Rodale style mainstream organics. We have set up a members-only interactive

wiki site to share information; all of the info we gather will eventually be

shared with anyone interested...

" There is a lot of free info at my website http://www.soilminerals.com that will

give you some general background. Not all that well organized but if you keep

clicking links you'll find it.

Click on the " soil tests " at the top of any page and it will take you to a page

explaining how to take a soil test and a list of soil testing labs in the USA.

You may be able to use your local soil testing labs. If you could email a sample

of their results to me I can tell you if they would be suitable.

I would also recommend Barb Lee's website Albrecht's Animals

http://albrechtsanimals.typepad.com

Barb and I have been working together gathering info on pastures and animal

health problems. It appears that foundering is also a problem brought on by high

potassium levels in the forage due to overfertilization with potassium chloride

and nitrogen. "

Astera

********

Minerals etc list:

http://www.soilminerals.com/new_Main_List_Feb2008.htm

Bruce

Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

iodine

Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:05 AM

Beverly,

The problem is we have depleted our soil and the minerals are not there in most

states or countries of the world, so supplements are necessary. I think the only

states that are known to have high selenium are the Dakotas and if you live

there you need to consult a physician as to the amount of selenium to add to

your diet. Most nuts are pasteurized and/or irradiated these days by law so

unless you are getting your Brazil nuts from outside the USA the nuts have very

little goodness left in them, so taking selenium as prescribed in the Iodine

Protocol makes sense to me.

Kris

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[Guest guest]

Yep, it's just ground up rocks with all the

minerals. But you can do the same with Kelp. And

kelp powder fro foliar spraying.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

Jag Jag wrote:

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> I was listening to C2C and they had a biodynamic farmer on who suggested

> that if you start an organic farm, to use rock dust to mineralize the

> soil to grow your vegetables in. Has anyone ever hear of rock dust?

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> jag

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> From: kcpeterson55343 <kcp@...>

> Subject: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

> iodinegroups (DOT) com

> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:05 AM

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> Beverly,

> The problem is we have depleted our soil and the minerals are not

> there in most states or countries of the world, so supplements are

> necessary. I think the only states that are known to have high

> selenium are the Dakotas and if you live there you need to consult a

> physician as to the amount of selenium to add to your diet. Most

> nuts are pasteurized and/or irradiated these days by law so unless

> you are getting your Brazil nuts from outside the USA the nuts have

> very little goodness left in them, so taking selenium as prescribed

> in the Iodine Protocol makes sense to me.

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> Kris

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[Guest guest]

In the early 90's my ex and I had an organic orchard and we used to buy a crushed rock mineral preparation from a guy in the next town over who crushed the rock himself, the trees loved that stuff.

Engtovo

From: Jag Jag

Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:42 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

I was listening to C2C and they had a biodynamic farmer on who suggested that if you start an organic farm, to use rock dust to mineralize the soil to grow your vegetables in. Has anyone ever hear of rock dust?

jag

From: kcpeterson55343 <kcp@...>Subject: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorptioniodine Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:05 AM

Beverly,The problem is we have depleted our soil and the minerals are not there in most states or countries of the world, so supplements are necessary. I think the only states that are known to have high selenium are the Dakotas and if you live there you need to consult a physician as to the amount of selenium to add to your diet. Most nuts are pasteurized and/or irradiated these days by law so unless you are getting your Brazil nuts from outside the USA the nuts have very little goodness left in them, so taking selenium as prescribed in the Iodine Protocol makes sense to me.Kris> > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Have you heard of,mycorrhiza?

Pat

iodine From: davidjohnkenna@...Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:36:07 +0000Subject: Re: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorption

Bruce,

What a great idea. The way forward.

From: kcpeterson55343 <kcp@...>Subject: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorptioniodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:05 AMBeverly,The problem is we have depleted our soil and the minerals are not there in most states or countries of the world, so supplements are necessary. I think the only states that are known to have high selenium are the Dakotas and if you live there you need to consult a physician as to the amount of selenium to add to your diet. Most nuts are pasteurized and/or irradiated these days by law so unless you are getting your Brazil nuts from outside the USA the nuts have very little goodness left in them, so taking selenium as prescribed in the Iodine Protocol makes sense to me.Kris> > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

No,do tell.

davidFrom: kcpeterson55343 <kcp@...>Subject: Re: effect of minerals on thyroid absorptioniodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Monday, March 15, 2010, 9:05 AMBeverly,The problem is we have depleted our soil and the minerals are not there in most states or countries of the world, so supplements are necessary. I think the only states that are known to have high selenium are the Dakotas and if you live there you need to consult a physician as to the amount of selenium to add to your diet. Most nuts are pasteurized and/or irradiated these days by law so unless you are getting your Brazil nuts from outside the USA the nuts have very little goodness left in them, so taking selenium as prescribed in the Iodine Protocol makes sense to me.Kris> > > > > >> >>