Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I'll agree with that, and the doctors who say they are oh so concerned about people, are only available to those who have either cash money or insurance. Shoe em the monsy and they'll show some concern. Then they want to bash people for doing anything they can to improve their health, after a lifetime of having no access to a doctor. And even when you have insurance or money the doctors ignore lab tests, or won't do the right tests, and THEN to top it off, they let their personal prejudices, and opinions, dictate treatment to the detriment of the patient. This isn't anything new, it has been happening since the dawn of formal medicine. Now they're working with the backers of the Codex to get supplements made by law " prescription only " , which leaves those who can't afford doctors in a black hole again. And it has the pharm companies dancing jigs counting their profits all the way to the bank. It's none of the government's business what supplements I do or do not consume. And when they passed the no smoking in public laws, I knew then that they had their foot in the door. They allow the big companies to poison us, but we're not allowed to buy Vit C OTC? It's insane. They want a captive audience held ransom by their health. They make us sick and then offer more poisons to mask the symptoms. It's a great money making scheme. Billions of dollar signs are in their piggy little eyes. It has nothing to do with what is best for anyone. It's all about money. That's why I read and research all I can, when the day comes, I can grow my own herbs unless they outlaw those too. And should such a stupid thing be passed I will be purchasing as much of the stuff that does me good as I can before it goes into effect, including Lugol's and magnesium. Bethann If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires. Abigail Van Buren Bonnie wrote: > > >  > > Bruce, > To what you state, I can attest to from personal experience. > > You are not 'The Lone Ranger " , the medical system by and large has > failed us. > > Bonnie > > > > * Re: Mag and leg cramps > > > > No one says it is an end all except you. > Doctors have been : " taking everything into consideration " for thirty > years > and more, yet the death rate and sickness is going through the ceiling. > The medical system has not only failed us, it is in many cases criminal. > > WE are going to take our health back. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier > > Absolutely, . But we must be careful in making one supplement > seem to > be the “end-all†especially when talking about cancer. > > No one is a cookie-cutter and there are so many more things that > need to be > taken into conideration: lifestyle, other supplementation, gut issues, > toxicity, diet, etc. > > Be Well > Dr.L > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 The Well Being Journal published an article March/April 2006 by Earl Staelin about this very subject. It is a three piece article and is based upon the French Chemist, Kervren's work concerning " biological transmutations " . Strong Bones or Osteoporosis " Kervran believed that the evidence indicates that thyroid activity is involved in the transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium into calcium based upon research by others involving fish, though he felt the relation applies to all vertebrates. Silicon, magnesium and potassium increase the activity of the thyroid gland, while clcium does not. On the other hand, studies show that calcium may sbustantially reduce the absorption of thyroid medications. It may be that by a feedback mechanism, high calcium intake may impede the production of hormones by the thyroid gland, which in turn may reduce the formation of calcium in bone through a transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium. " " Cows produce milk containing large amounts of calcium, even though they don't drink milk or take calcium supplements, and they obtain relatively little calcium from the grasses and other plant foods in their diet. However, their bones and teeth remain strong and they don't suffer any signs of calcium deficiency, despite excreting more calcium than they ingest. Interestingly, they take in substantial quantities of magnesium, silica, and potassium in the grasses they eat, and excrete less magnesium than they ingest. " One used to be able to download the first part of this article. There is much more covered than what I quoted. This is one of the best articles I have read. It can be purchased. I take Maca which is high in calcium. As far as the magnesium and cancer goes, I get it that the very first plan of action is to up one's magnesium levels. I doubt that one can overdo it. The body's need for minerals go up. The wrong kind of calcium has a strange relationship with estrogen where magnesium doesn't. We have to start somewhere. The article suggest 500 mg of calcium and nearly twice that of magnesium. http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.-2/ I would love some feedback on this article. Very few people have read it. Joan > > Yes, Bruce, the article implies that magnesium will “do it all.†“That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer.†> > I am very familiar with Mark and his books and he has been on some of the same forums that I am on. I am sure he is a good practitioner but many times information is given out that makes a supplement look like an end-all. Calcium is still needed and is very important and like I said it is more about using absorbable forms that actually get to where they will be utilized effectively. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Part 1 is posted here; http://tinyurl.com/yfp8kqr http://ayurveda-florida.com had in one of their newsletters. I would have bought the article but not giving them my c'd for 4.00, no paypal, no pay for them lol. Thanks, will look for more, sounds familiar... Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: coloredoctave The Well Being Journal published an article March/April 2006 by Earl Staelin about this very subject. It is a three piece article and is based upon the French Chemist, Kervren's work concerning " biological transmutations " . Strong Bones or Osteoporosis " Kervran believed that the evidence indicates that thyroid activity is involved in the transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium into calcium based upon research by others involving fish, though he felt the relation applies to all vertebrates. Silicon, magnesium and potassium increase the activity of the thyroid gland, while clcium does not. On the other hand, studies show that calcium may sbustantially reduce the absorption of thyroid medications. It may be that by a feedback mechanism, high calcium intake may impede the production of hormones by the thyroid gland, which in turn may reduce the formation of calcium in bone through a transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium. " " Cows produce milk containing large amounts of calcium, even though they don't drink milk or take calcium supplements, and they obtain relatively little calcium from the grasses and other plant foods in their diet. However, their bones and teeth remain strong and they don't suffer any signs of calcium deficiency, despite excreting more calcium than they ingest. Interestingly, they take in substantial quantities of magnesium, silica, and potassium in the grasses they eat, and excrete less magnesium than they ingest. " One used to be able to download the first part of this article. There is much more covered than what I quoted. This is one of the best articles I have read. It can be purchased. I take Maca which is high in calcium. As far as the magnesium and cancer goes, I get it that the very first plan of action is to up one's magnesium levels. I doubt that one can overdo it. The body's need for minerals go up. The wrong kind of calcium has a strange relationship with estrogen where magnesium doesn't. We have to start somewhere. The article suggest 500 mg of calcium and nearly twice that of magnesium. http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.-2/ I would love some feedback on this article. Very few people have read it. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 http://www.life-enthusiast.com/ormus/orm_bio_transmut.htm An article by Kervren, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: coloredoctave The Well Being Journal published an article March/April 2006 by Earl Staelin about this very subject. It is a three piece article and is based upon the French Chemist, Kervren's work concerning "biological transmutations". Strong Bones or Osteoporosis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010  Yes they do. google magnesium asthma and one gets a lot on that. Iodine will as well I am sure, the mucus in the lungs can use iodine for protection from inflammation and infection. " It has been noted repeatedly that asthma incidence is increasing in all age groups. I feel this is the result of a lower intake of iodine occurring in many families from decrease consumption of table salt. (3-6) The lower intake of iodine tends to make thyroid glands work poorly and cause hypothyroidism and thus increase the chances of asthma in those who are susceptible... Also for a good 100 years iodine preparations have been used on chronic chest problems and asthmatics. Iodine is excreted in the lung mucus. In fact iodine in excreted in all mucous secretions such as the mouth(saliva) stomach, bowels, cervix, and lungs. The iodine in the mucous likely helps to kill any bacteria or viruses. Thus both iodine and thyroid hormone are involved in lung physiology. For example most, if not all, sleep apnea patients are fixed with adequate doses of thyroid. Chronic obstructive lung disease (COPD) also is helped by thyroid hormone treatment. The amount of iodine in the lung mucus possibly explains the paradox that the Japanese who are amongst the heaviest smokers in the world also have one the lowest lung cancer rates. It is likely the high levels of iodine in their blood is excreted in the lung mucus. This iodine then by apoptosis (natural cell death)could be killing off any abnormal cells as they develop that are caused by the cigarette carcinogens. In addition iodine reacts directly with carcinogens and chemical to render them inactive. (7) The Japanese have had an average dietary iodine intake of about 10 mg for many centuries. If the level of iodine intake is above 2-3 mg daily then the thyroid gland becomes saturated within two weeks and does not take iodine up anymore. Thus the most of the iodine can then go to the other parts of the body to carry out iodine's mulitple important functions. The most important of these is relataed to killing off of pre-cancerous abnormal cells. " http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl10.htm Dr Derry Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Tchwrtr@... Don't they also use IV magnesium as an emergency treatment for severe asthma attacks? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. I have asthma, so this is interesting to me. I'm wondering if magnesium supplements would help my asthma. So far I don't recall seeing anything about iodine helping asthma, but I may have missed it. In a message dated 1/3/2010 3:33:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, brucebkdesign (DOT) ca writes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 To add to this, remember that when supplementing without first determining a deficiency, you can inadvertently affect another mineral. For example, calcium can suppress copper and zinc, copper can affect zinc, a calcium/magnesium imbalance can affect zinc, copper, iron, selenium, etc. Point taken. > > Yes, Bruce, the article implies that magnesium will “do it all.†“That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer.†> > I am very familiar with Mark and his books and he has been on some of the same forums that I am on. I am sure he is a good practitioner but many times information is given out that makes a supplement look like an end-all. Calcium is still needed and is very important and like I said it is more about using absorbable forms that actually get to where they will be utilized effectively. > > Do you have proof that most are deficient? Because I see labs all the time that just do not indicate this. However, if we are talking just about cancer, then the percentages will be high that one is deficient but then those with cancer are deficient in a lot of important vitamins/minerals because the body is in a state of dis-ease. The diary industry has never used a truly absorbable form of calcium and in fact people who consume a lot of what I call grocery-store dairy will have calcium leached from their bones. > > I am a nine year cancer survivor that used Calcium Orotate every single day. Did not use iodine….nor tremendous amounts of magnesium. I know many cancer survivors that have not used iodine but that doesn’t mean it is not needed. We are finding pieces to the puzzle all the time, but it still must be an individual thing as none of us are cookie-cutters. > > Yes, many on this list do think that iodine is the end-all answer to everything or they hope that it will be for them. And for some it will be the answer they need, but not for everyone and we see this played out every once-in-a-while. Some use it like a pharmaceutical drug in that nothing in their lifestyle is being changed. They are adding supplementation only. > > Please don’t assume that all doctors are uniformed, Bruce. I am a traditional naturopath and deal with cancer clients often. There are no magic bullets and I think you know this so please don’t be on the attack. We are on the same side. :-) It is difficult to undo misconceptions of clients coming in with misinformation that magnesiums is the end-all or iodine is the end-all or D3. Again, it’s all about balance which is not always conveyed or reminded and thus many do not realize this concept. They go from one supplement to another to another and one forum to another to another. Healing must involve the whole body because if one part is unwell then the entire body suffers. We are not just thyroids, adrenal glands, digestive tracts, stomachs, breasts, etc. > > Again, we are on the same side. Please hear where I am coming from. If you felt attacked, I apologize as that was not my intention at all. :-) > > Be Well > Dr.L > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Joan, Thank you for bringing this up! I read the part 1 and am looking to get the rest. It makes incredible sense and has solid science behind it. The rda's can be interesting, I wonder if the fact that the rda for ca is double what it should be is from the dairy lobby, very very likely. " It is dangerous to ignore the epidemiological data. The first rule in formulating public health policy should be the assurance that the recommendations are not detrimental. It will be embarrassing enough if the current calcium hype is simply useless, it will be immeasurably worse if the recommendations are actually detrimental to health. " Hegsted, chairman of nutrition at Harvard at the time. (They will make sure not to get another that thinks like him lol.) Interesting to see Dr Abraham in there, he does get around. Looking for part 2. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: coloredoctave The Well Being Journal published an article March/April 2006 by Earl Staelin about this very subject. It is a three piece article and is based upon the French Chemist, Kervren's work concerning " biological transmutations " . Strong Bones or Osteoporosis " Kervran believed that the evidence indicates that thyroid activity is involved in the transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium into calcium based upon research by others involving fish, though he felt the relation applies to all vertebrates. Silicon, magnesium and potassium increase the activity of the thyroid gland, while clcium does not. On the other hand, studies show that calcium may sbustantially reduce the absorption of thyroid medications. It may be that by a feedback mechanism, high calcium intake may impede the production of hormones by the thyroid gland, which in turn may reduce the formation of calcium in bone through a transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium. " " Cows produce milk containing large amounts of calcium, even though they don't drink milk or take calcium supplements, and they obtain relatively little calcium from the grasses and other plant foods in their diet. However, their bones and teeth remain strong and they don't suffer any signs of calcium deficiency, despite excreting more calcium than they ingest. Interestingly, they take in substantial quantities of magnesium, silica, and potassium in the grasses they eat, and excrete less magnesium than they ingest. " One used to be able to download the first part of this article. There is much more covered than what I quoted. This is one of the best articles I have read. It can be purchased. I take Maca which is high in calcium. As far as the magnesium and cancer goes, I get it that the very first plan of action is to up one's magnesium levels. I doubt that one can overdo it. The body's need for minerals go up. The wrong kind of calcium has a strange relationship with estrogen where magnesium doesn't. We have to start somewhere. The article suggest 500 mg of calcium and nearly twice that of magnesium. http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.-2/ I would love some feedback on this article. Very few people have read it. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Very interesting article. More pieces of the puzzle:) Bethann If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires. Abigail Van Buren Bruce wrote: > > > Joan, Thank you for bringing this up! > > I read the part 1 and am looking to get the rest. It makes incredible sense > and has solid science behind it. > The rda's can be interesting, I wonder if the fact that the rda for ca is > double what it should be is from the dairy lobby, very very likely. > > " It is dangerous to ignore the epidemiological data. The first rule in > formulating public health policy should be the assurance that the > recommendations are not detrimental. It will be embarrassing enough if the > current calcium hype is simply useless, it will be immeasurably worse if > the > recommendations are actually detrimental to health. " > Hegsted, chairman of nutrition at Harvard at the time. (They will make sure > not to get another that thinks like him lol.) > > Interesting to see Dr Abraham in there, he does get around. > > Looking for part 2. > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: coloredoctave > > The Well Being Journal published an article March/April 2006 by Earl > Staelin > about this very subject. It is a three piece article and is based upon the > French Chemist, Kervren's work concerning " biological transmutations " . > > Strong Bones or Osteoporosis > > " Kervran believed that the evidence indicates that thyroid activity is > involved in the transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium into > calcium based upon research by others involving fish, though he felt the > relation applies to all vertebrates. Silicon, magnesium and potassium > increase the activity of the thyroid gland, while clcium does not. On the > other hand, studies show that calcium may sbustantially reduce the > absorption of thyroid medications. It may be that by a feedback mechanism, > high calcium intake may impede the production of hormones by the thyroid > gland, which in turn may reduce the formation of calcium in bone through a > transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium. " > > " Cows produce milk containing large amounts of calcium, even though they > don't drink milk or take calcium supplements, and they obtain relatively > little calcium from the grasses and other plant foods in their diet. > However, their bones and teeth remain strong and they don't suffer any > signs > of calcium deficiency, despite excreting more calcium than they ingest. > Interestingly, they take in substantial quantities of magnesium, silica, > and > potassium in the grasses they eat, and excrete less magnesium than they > ingest. " > > One used to be able to download the first part of this article. There is > much more covered than what I quoted. This is one of the best articles I > have read. It can be purchased. > > I take Maca which is high in calcium. > > As far as the magnesium and cancer goes, I get it that the very first plan > of action is to up one's magnesium levels. I doubt that one can overdo it. > The body's need for minerals go up. The wrong kind of calcium has a strange > relationship with estrogen where magnesium doesn't. We have to start > somewhere. The article suggest 500 mg of calcium and nearly twice that of > magnesium. > > http://www.wellbein gjournal. com/health/ Vol.-15-No. -2/ > <http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.-2/> > > I would love some feedback on this article. Very few people have read it. > Joan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Nice too, Beekman Books in NY has both of his books translated to English, getting these. http://www.beekmanbooks.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=kervran Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: " YardBirdMail " <yardbirdmail@...> > Very interesting article. More pieces of the puzzle:) > > Bethann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Bruce, Brilliant. How do they make up the RDA. Rda for Ca"double what it should be is from the dairy lobby, very very likely." and did you know that the CDC hold 36 patents on vaccines. Imagine them advise people the best way to go with swine flu or flu vaccine. Conflict of interest doesn't begin to describe what Pharma and their fertiliser and food inc buddies are getting up to and destroying the health of the country in the process. From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 20:58 Joan, Thank you for bringing this up!I read the part 1 and am looking to get the rest. It makes incredible sense and has solid science behind it.The rda's can be interesting, I wonder if the fact that the rda for ca is double what it should be is from the dairy lobby, very very likely."It is dangerous to ignore the epidemiological data. The first rule in formulating public health policy should be the assurance that the recommendations are not detrimental. It will be embarrassing enough if the current calcium hype is simply useless, it will be immeasurably worse if the recommendations are actually detrimental to health."Hegsted, chairman of nutrition at Harvard at the time. (They will make sure not to get another that thinks like him lol.)Interesting to see Dr Abraham in there, he does get around.Looking for part 2.Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: coloredoctaveThe Well Being Journal published an article March/April 2006 by Earl Staelin about this very subject. It is a three piece article and is based upon the French Chemist, Kervren's work concerning "biological transmutations" .Strong Bones or Osteoporosis" Kervran believed that the evidence indicates that thyroid activity is involved in the transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium into calcium based upon research by others involving fish, though he felt the relation applies to all vertebrates. Silicon, magnesium and potassium increase the activity of the thyroid gland, while clcium does not. On the other hand, studies show that calcium may sbustantially reduce the absorption of thyroid medications. It may be that by a feedback mechanism, high calcium intake may impede the production of hormones by the thyroid gland, which in turn may reduce the formation of calcium in bone through a transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium.""Cows produce milk containing large amounts of calcium, even though they don't drink milk or take calcium supplements, and they obtain relatively little calcium from the grasses and other plant foods in their diet. However, their bones and teeth remain strong and they don't suffer any signs of calcium deficiency, despite excreting more calcium than they ingest. Interestingly, they take in substantial quantities of magnesium, silica, and potassium in the grasses they eat, and excrete less magnesium than they ingest."One used to be able to download the first part of this article. There is much more covered than what I quoted. This is one of the best articles I have read. It can be purchased.I take Maca which is high in calcium.As far as the magnesium and cancer goes, I get it that the very first plan of action is to up one's magnesium levels. I doubt that one can overdo it. The body's need for minerals go up. The wrong kind of calcium has a strange relationship with estrogen where magnesium doesn't. We have to start somewhere. The article suggest 500 mg of calcium and nearly twice that of magnesium.http://www.wellbein gjournal. com/health/ Vol.-15-No. -2/I would love some feedback on this article. Very few people have read it.Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 So are we designed to be able to transmute silicon,potassium, magnesium into calcium? From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 20:58 Joan, Thank you for bringing this up!I read the part 1 and am looking to get the rest. It makes incredible sense and has solid science behind it.The rda's can be interesting, I wonder if the fact that the rda for ca is double what it should be is from the dairy lobby, very very likely."It is dangerous to ignore the epidemiological data. The first rule in formulating public health policy should be the assurance that the recommendations are not detrimental. It will be embarrassing enough if the current calcium hype is simply useless, it will be immeasurably worse if the recommendations are actually detrimental to health."Hegsted, chairman of nutrition at Harvard at the time. (They will make sure not to get another that thinks like him lol.)Interesting to see Dr Abraham in there, he does get around.Looking for part 2.Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: coloredoctaveThe Well Being Journal published an article March/April 2006 by Earl Staelin about this very subject. It is a three piece article and is based upon the French Chemist, Kervren's work concerning "biological transmutations" .Strong Bones or Osteoporosis" Kervran believed that the evidence indicates that thyroid activity is involved in the transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium into calcium based upon research by others involving fish, though he felt the relation applies to all vertebrates. Silicon, magnesium and potassium increase the activity of the thyroid gland, while clcium does not. On the other hand, studies show that calcium may sbustantially reduce the absorption of thyroid medications. It may be that by a feedback mechanism, high calcium intake may impede the production of hormones by the thyroid gland, which in turn may reduce the formation of calcium in bone through a transmutation of silicon, magnesium, and potassium.""Cows produce milk containing large amounts of calcium, even though they don't drink milk or take calcium supplements, and they obtain relatively little calcium from the grasses and other plant foods in their diet. However, their bones and teeth remain strong and they don't suffer any signs of calcium deficiency, despite excreting more calcium than they ingest. Interestingly, they take in substantial quantities of magnesium, silica, and potassium in the grasses they eat, and excrete less magnesium than they ingest."One used to be able to download the first part of this article. There is much more covered than what I quoted. This is one of the best articles I have read. It can be purchased.I take Maca which is high in calcium.As far as the magnesium and cancer goes, I get it that the very first plan of action is to up one's magnesium levels. I doubt that one can overdo it. The body's need for minerals go up. The wrong kind of calcium has a strange relationship with estrogen where magnesium doesn't. We have to start somewhere. The article suggest 500 mg of calcium and nearly twice that of magnesium.http://www.wellbein gjournal. com/health/ Vol.-15-No. -2/I would love some feedback on this article. Very few people have read it.Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 yes there is "a wheel of mineral uptake ". Looked at it but don't have the reference now. From: <angelalee0511@...>Subject: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 19:47 To add to this, remember that when supplementing without first determining a deficiency, you can inadvertently affect another mineral. For example, calcium can suppress copper and zinc, copper can affect zinc, a calcium/magnesium imbalance can affect zinc, copper, iron, selenium, etc.Point taken.>> Yes, Bruce, the article implies that magnesium will “do it all.†“That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer.â€> > I am very familiar with Mark and his books and he has been on some of the same forums that I am on. I am sure he is a good practitioner but many times information is given out that makes a supplement look like an end-all. Calcium is still needed and is very important and like I said it is more about using absorbable forms that actually get to where they will be utilized effectively. > > Do you have proof that most are deficient? Because I see labs all the time that just do not indicate this. However, if we are talking just about cancer, then the percentages will be high that one is deficient but then those with cancer are deficient in a lot of important vitamins/minerals because the body is in a state of dis-ease. The diary industry has never used a truly absorbable form of calcium and in fact people who consume a lot of what I call grocery-store dairy will have calcium leached from their bones. > > I am a nine year cancer survivor that used Calcium Orotate every single day. Did not use iodine….nor tremendous amounts of magnesium. I know many cancer survivors that have not used iodine but that doesn’t mean it is not needed. We are finding pieces to the puzzle all the time, but it still must be an individual thing as none of us are cookie-cutters.> > Yes, many on this list do think that iodine is the end-all answer to everything or they hope that it will be for them. And for some it will be the answer they need, but not for everyone and we see this played out every once-in-a-while. Some use it like a pharmaceutical drug in that nothing in their lifestyle is being changed. They are adding supplementation only.> > Please don’t assume that all doctors are uniformed, Bruce. I am a traditional naturopath and deal with cancer clients often. There are no magic bullets and I think you know this so please don’t be on the attack. We are on the same side. :-) It is difficult to undo misconceptions of clients coming in with misinformation that magnesiums is the end-all or iodine is the end-all or D3. Again, it’s all about balance which is not always conveyed or reminded and thus many do not realize this concept. They go from one supplement to another to another and one forum to another to another. Healing must involve the whole body because if one part is unwell then the entire body suffers. We are not just thyroids, adrenal glands, digestive tracts, stomachs, breasts, etc.> > Again, we are on the same side. Please hear where I am coming from. If you felt attacked, I apologize as that was not my intention at all. :-)> > Be Well> Dr.L> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Oh big time, far more than we know, and worse. Some patents were on the swine flu, before it started! " You've heard it before, how the pharmaceutical industry has a giant " revolving door " through which corporations and government agencies frequently exchange key employees. That reality was driven home in a huge way today when news broke that Dr. Gerberding, who headed the CDC from 2002 through 2009, landed a top job with Merck, one of the largest drug companies in the world. Her job there? She's the new president of the vaccine division. " http://www.naturalnews.com/027789_Dr__Gerberding_Merck.html Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: david kenna Bruce, Brilliant. How do they make up the RDA. Rda for Ca " double what it should be is from the dairy lobby, very very likely. " and did you know that the CDC hold 36 patents on vaccines. Imagine them advise people the best way to go with swine flu or flu vaccine. Conflict of interest doesn't begin to describe what Pharma and their fertiliser and food inc buddies are getting up to and destroying the health of the country in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 effects of one mineral on another...Iodine/Tin.... iodine From: davidjohnkenna@...Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:39:18 +0000Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps yes there is "a wheel of mineral uptake ". Looked at it but don't have the reference now. From: <angelalee0511gmail>Subject: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 19:47 To add to this, remember that when supplementing without first determining a deficiency, you can inadvertently affect another mineral. For example, calcium can suppress copper and zinc, copper can affect zinc, a calcium/magnesium imbalance can affect zinc, copper, iron, selenium, etc.Point taken.>> Yes, Bruce, the article implies that magnesium will “do it all.” “That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer.”> > I am very familiar with Mark and his books and he has been on some of the same forums that I am on. I am sure he is a good practitioner but many times information is given out that makes a supplement look like an end-all. Calcium is still needed and is very important and like I said it is more about using absorbable forms that actually get to where they will be utilized effectively. > > Do you have proof that most are deficient? Because I see labs all the time that just do not indicate this. However, if we are talking just about cancer, then the percentages will be high that one is deficient but then those with cancer are deficient in a lot of important vitamins/minerals because the body is in a state of dis-ease. The diary industry has never used a truly absorbable form of calcium and in fact people who consume a lot of what I call grocery-store dairy will have calcium leached from their bones. > > I am a nine year cancer survivor that used Calcium Orotate every single day. Did not use iodine….nor tremendous amounts of magnesium. I know many cancer survivors that have not used iodine but that doesn’t mean it is not needed. We are finding pieces to the puzzle all the time, but it still must be an individual thing as none of us are cookie-cutters.> > Yes, many on this list do think that iodine is the end-all answer to everything or they hope that it will be for them. And for some it will be the answer they need, but not for everyone and we see this played out every once-in-a-while. Some use it like a pharmaceutical drug in that nothing in their lifestyle is being changed. They are adding supplementation only.> > Please don’t assume that all doctors are uniformed, Bruce. I am a traditional naturopath and deal with cancer clients often. There are no magic bullets and I think you know this so please don’t be on the attack. We are on the same side. :-) It is difficult to undo misconceptions of clients coming in with misinformation that magnesiums is the end-all or iodine is the end-all or D3. Again, it’s all about balance which is not always conveyed or reminded and thus many do not realize this concept. They go from one supplement to another to another and one forum to another to another. Healing must involve the whole body because if one part is unwell then the entire body suffers. We are not just thyroids, adrenal glands, digestive tracts, stomachs, breasts, etc.> > Again, we are on the same side. Please hear where I am coming from. If you felt attacked, I apologize as that was not my intention at all. :-)> > Be Well> Dr.L> > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Maybe, most will likely think it's insane, but not thinking so creates questons without answers as well as per article, which is worth rereading . I'm ordering the books, and looking elsewhere, there's enough science here to look into it for sure. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: david kenna So are we designed to be able to transmute silicon,potassium, magnesium into calcium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 yes,exactly. but what does it take to see that...and then be able to do something? of course not following conventional ideas about food and health is one way of supporting what Pharma et al are opposed to. Let the word be heard and heeded. From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 23:42 Oh big time, far more than we know, and worse. Some patents were on the swine flu, before it started!"You've heard it before, how the pharmaceutical industry has a giant "revolving door" through which corporations and government agencies frequently exchange key employees. That reality was driven home in a huge way today when news broke that Dr. Gerberding, who headed the CDC from 2002 through 2009, landed a top job with Merck, one of the largest drug companies in the world. Her job there? She's the new president of the vaccine division."http://www.naturaln ews.com/027789_ Dr__ Gerberding_ Merck.htmlBruce----- Original Message ----- From: david kennaBruce,Brilliant.How do they make up the RDA.Rda for Ca"double what it should be is from the dairy lobby, very very likely."and did you know that the CDC hold 36 patents on vaccines.Imagine them advise people the best way to go with swine fluor flu vaccine.Conflict of interest doesn't begin to describe what Pharma and theirfertiliser and food inc buddies are getting up to and destroying thehealth of the country in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 that may well be but the wheel to which I refer is a very complex thing indeed which attempts to give the viewer a visual map of mineral relationships. Will try and root it out. From: <angelalee0511@ gmail.com>Subject: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 19:47 To add to this, remember that when supplementing without first determining a deficiency, you can inadvertently affect another mineral. For example, calcium can suppress copper and zinc, copper can affect zinc, a calcium/magnesium imbalance can affect zinc, copper, iron, selenium, etc.Point taken.>> Yes, Bruce, the article implies that magnesium will “do it all.†“That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer.â€> > I am very familiar with Mark and his books and he has been on some of the same forums that I am on. I am sure he is a good practitioner but many times information is given out that makes a supplement look like an end-all. Calcium is still needed and is very important and like I said it is more about using absorbable forms that actually get to where they will be utilized effectively. > > Do you have proof that most are deficient? Because I see labs all the time that just do not indicate this. However, if we are talking just about cancer, then the percentages will be high that one is deficient but then those with cancer are deficient in a lot of important vitamins/minerals because the body is in a state of dis-ease. The diary industry has never used a truly absorbable form of calcium and in fact people who consume a lot of what I call grocery-store dairy will have calcium leached from their bones. > > I am a nine year cancer survivor that used Calcium Orotate every single day. Did not use iodine….nor tremendous amounts of magnesium. I know many cancer survivors that have not used iodine but that doesn’t mean it is not needed. We are finding pieces to the puzzle all the time, but it still must be an individual thing as none of us are cookie-cutters.> > Yes, many on this list do think that iodine is the end-all answer to everything or they hope that it will be for them. And for some it will be the answer they need, but not for everyone and we see this played out every once-in-a-while. Some use it like a pharmaceutical drug in that nothing in their lifestyle is being changed. They are adding supplementation only.> > Please don’t assume that all doctors are uniformed, Bruce. I am a traditional naturopath and deal with cancer clients often. There are no magic bullets and I think you know this so please don’t be on the attack. We are on the same side. :-) It is difficult to undo misconceptions of clients coming in with misinformation that magnesiums is the end-all or iodine is the end-all or D3. Again, it’s all about balance which is not always conveyed or reminded and thus many do not realize this concept. They go from one supplement to another to another and one forum to another to another. Healing must involve the whole body because if one part is unwell then the entire body suffers. We are not just thyroids, adrenal glands, digestive tracts, stomachs, breasts, etc.> > Again, we are on the same side. Please hear where I am coming from. If you felt attacked, I apologize as that was not my intention at all. :-)> > Be Well> Dr.L> > > > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 It would be amazing to discover means of getting what we need in the quantities required from food, hebs, seaweed..etc. From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Monday, 4 January, 2010, 23:57 Maybe, most will likely think it's insane, but not thinking so creates questons without answers as well as per article, which is worth rereading .I'm ordering the books, and looking elsewhere, there's enough science here to look into it for sure.Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: david kennaSo are we designed to be able to transmute silicon,potassium, magnesium into calcium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 You'll have to purchase it and part 3 in order to read them. Part II is called The Central Roles of Hormones and Natural Light. Here are some highlights. http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.3/ " A significant amount of research suggests that an additional way to optimize hormonal levels may be to increase one's exposure to natural " full spectrum " light. " " Light received by the eyes also has a highly beneficial effect upon the formation of strong teeth and bones. " By eliminating ultraviolet light we weaken calcium absorption and adversely affect numerous other health functions, including strengthening the immune system and protecting against cancer. " " The present practice of blocking all or most ultraviolet to the eyes may actually expose the eyes to more harmful light. " " It appears that most men, women, and children do not require the high levels of calcium recommended in the present RDA. " Part III is called " Individual Variations in Calcium Need, and the Roles of Other Nutrients " http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.-4/ Highlights in boxes: " Some of the best epidemiological evidence suggests that for most people high consumption of milk product and calcium probably contributes significantly to osteoporosis. " " Addictive allergies rob the bones of calcium in order to overcome the acidity and maintain a constant level of calcium in the blood. " There's more. It's great stuff! Joan > Looking for part 2. > Bruce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 That's what is says. My husband says its impossible. Joan > > So are we designed to be able to transmute silicon,potassium, magnesium into calcium? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 My 6 yr old gets leg cramps too.The NAET doctor just moved her energy & got rid of them .AliOn Jan 4, 2010, at 4:34 PM, coloredoctave wrote:You'll have to purchase it and part 3 in order to read them. Part II is called The Central Roles of Hormones and Natural Light. Here are some highlights.http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.3/"A significant amount of research suggests that an additional way to optimize hormonal levels may be to increase one's exposure to natural "full spectrum" light.""Light received by the eyes also has a highly beneficial effect upon the formation of strong teeth and bones."By eliminating ultraviolet light we weaken calcium absorption and adversely affect numerous other health functions, including strengthening the immune system and protecting against cancer.""The present practice of blocking all or most ultraviolet to the eyes may actually expose the eyes to more harmful light.""It appears that most men, women, and children do not require the high levels of calcium recommended in the present RDA."Part III is called "Individual Variations in Calcium Need, and the Roles of Other Nutrients"http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/health/Vol.-15-No.-4/Highlights in boxes:"Some of the best epidemiological evidence suggests that for most people high consumption of milk product and calcium probably contributes significantly to osteoporosis.""Addictive allergies rob the bones of calcium in order to overcome the acidity and maintain a constant level of calcium in the blood."There's more. It's great stuff!Joan> Looking for part 2.> Bruce> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Hi, Just a bit off topic. Anyone found that taking Iodine has made them more sensitive to the sun? I never used to burn and had olive skin from being in the sun so much. Since taking Iodine I burn really easily from being out for a small amount of time. I have a really bad red belly and legs from being out on the beach yesterday. This has never been an issue before, right from when I was young? I have never taken vit d supplements ever. Lise From: coloredoctave <joanlulich@...>iodine Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 10:34:14 AMSubject: Re: Mag and leg cramps You'll have to purchase it and part 3 in order to read them. Part II is called The Central Roles of Hormones and Natural Light. Here are some highlights.http://www.wellbein gjournal. com/health/ Vol.-15-No. 3/"A significant amount of research suggests that an additional way to optimize hormonal levels may be to increase one's exposure to natural "full spectrum" light.""Light received by the eyes also has a highly beneficial effect upon the formation of strong teeth and bones."By eliminating ultraviolet light we weaken calcium absorption and adversely affect numerous other health functions, including strengthening the immune system and protecting against cancer.""The present practice of blocking all or most ultraviolet to the eyes may actually expose the eyes to more harmful light.""It appears that most men, women, and children do not require the high levels of calcium recommended in the present RDA."Part III is called "Individual Variations in Calcium Need, and the Roles of Other Nutrients"http://www.wellbein gjournal. com/health/ Vol.-15-No. -4/Highlights in boxes:"Some of the best epidemiological evidence suggests that for most people high consumption of milk product and calcium probably contributes significantly to osteoporosis. ""Addictive allergies rob the bones of calcium in order to overcome the acidity and maintain a constant level of calcium in the blood."There's more. It's great stuff!Joan> Looking for part 2.> Bruce> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 I haven't noticed any difference. I regularly get sun exposure (in Florida). Use some fresh aloe on your burns and maybe increase your Vit. C intake. How much are you on?~WOn Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Lise Brown <lise.brown@...> wrote: Hi, Just a bit off topic. Anyone found that taking Iodine has made them more sensitive to the sun? I never used to burn and had olive skin from being in the sun so much. Since taking Iodine I burn really easily from being out for a small amount of time. I have a really bad red belly and legs from being out on the beach yesterday. This has never been an issue before, right from when I was young? I have never taken vit d supplements ever. Lise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 No vit c, as I was having it with my iodine and the symptoms came back. I really have trouble taking supplements throughout the day. I just forget to take them unless I do it all in one go. I am lazy I guess and I only do the bare minimum that I have to on that score. I also thought that vit c also gives the runs and I have far to much trouble with that anyway from the magnesium (even the ones that are not supposed to give you that problem). My logic was that vit c was only for iodine transport issues and I was not sure that I had that problem anyway, so as I had problems with it , I let it go. As for the other companion nutrients I am not really sure what they are for, Dr Abraham only really mentions Iodine, selenium and magnesium. I only heard of vit B, celtic sea salt, I cant remember the rest... on this iodine group and I don't really know what they are for? Lise From: wendy 56789 <wendy56789@...>iodine Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 9:00:54 AMSubject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps I haven't noticed any difference. I regularly get sun exposure (in Florida). Use some fresh aloe on your burns and maybe increase your Vit. C intake. How much are you on?~W On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Lise Brown <lise.brown (DOT) com> wrote: Hi, Just a bit off topic. Anyone found that taking Iodine has made them more sensitive to the sun? I never used to burn and had olive skin from being in the sun so much. Since taking Iodine I burn really easily from being out for a small amount of time. I have a really bad red belly and legs from being out on the beach yesterday. This has never been an issue before, right from when I was young? I have never taken vit d supplements ever. Lise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Vitamin C is a powerful antioxidant that can help keep you healthy, preventing and/or healing sunburns. Obviously your skin needs something since it started burning.The sea salt is to bind to the bromides that the iodine displaces so they can be flushed from you body. ~WOn Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Lise Brown <lise.brown@...> wrote: No vit c, as I was having it with my iodine and the symptoms came back. I really have trouble taking supplements throughout the day. I just forget to take them unless I do it all in one go. I am lazy I guess and I only do the bare minimum that I have to on that score. I also thought that vit c also gives the runs and I have far to much trouble with that anyway from the magnesium (even the ones that are not supposed to give you that problem). My logic was that vit c was only for iodine transport issues and I was not sure that I had that problem anyway, so as I had problems with it , I let it go. As for the other companion nutrients I am not really sure what they are for, Dr Abraham only really mentions Iodine, selenium and magnesium. I only heard of vit B, celtic sea salt, I cant remember the rest... on this iodine group and I don't really know what they are for? Lise From: wendy 56789 <wendy56789@...>iodine Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 9:00:54 AMSubject: Re: Re: Mag and leg cramps I haven't noticed any difference. I regularly get sun exposure (in Florida). Use some fresh aloe on your burns and maybe increase your Vit. C intake. How much are you on?~W On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Lise Brown <lise.brown (DOT) com> wrote: Hi, Just a bit off topic. Anyone found that taking Iodine has made them more sensitive to the sun? I never used to burn and had olive skin from being in the sun so much. Since taking Iodine I burn really easily from being out for a small amount of time. I have a really bad red belly and legs from being out on the beach yesterday. This has never been an issue before, right from when I was young? I have never taken vit d supplements ever. Lise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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