Re: Mag and leg cramps

[Guest guest]

Take 3000 to 6000 mgs of cal-mag citrate. This ought to help your leg cramps and such. Also, drink lots of water. Potassium and zinc. This takes care of macro-minerals. Trace minerals are also important. Concentrace is a good product. Sounds like your electrolytes are out of balance!

Jag

> > > From: crouth2 <crouth1email (DOT) com>> Subject: Re: Mercola bashes Lugol's on October 6, 2009> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 4:15> > > The Bible says in 1 Thess 3 to "challenge everything, put it to the> test to see what is Holy and True." Paraphrasing of course, but> everything, here and everywhere. As you research, you'll see> people's truth, non-truth, motives, agendas and such, especially> when they are questioned on it, and won't come clean. I'm fairly new> here, and have read through Dr. Mercola's article probably 10 times,> and read through all 115 comments there.

Many of the comments> question him on Lugols/Iodoral, and he never replies! There are> several commenters that do supplement with iodine, and several with> Lugols/Iodoral. He does reply to one person, that the adrenals are> almost always having a problem right along with the thryroid. In my> case with my heart skipping beats, I've also researched many pages> and many hours, and I believe my main problem is my adrenals,> however mine and my wife's tsh's have been high, so we did the> iodine patch test, and it was bad.....gone in less than an hour!> Iodine is also used by the adrenals, so we are starting with only a> little bit, because we don't have anything real serious as some of> you have discussed. After just a few days using iodine/seaweed we> felt great, but then about a week later, some side> effects/headaches, even though we are using the suggested>

supplements. After much reading, I agree with Steph's comments on> seaweed that there is too much of a chance/risk of arsenic, bromine,> flourine, and such in seaweed, so we stopped. We have tried World> Organic Liquid Kelp with potassium iodide, with no problems, and now> we have added our dosage by using Standard Process Iodomere, and> next we'll try Standard Process Prolamine Iodine, which a lot of> chiropractors use, and recommended to me. So for us this works.> Remember supplements are just supplements, and food is always best.> In Dr. Mercola's article he does state that the 3 common> deficiencies are Vitamin D, Magnesium, and Iodine, which almost no> one will argue. We take these with along with a good whole food> multivitamin/ antioxidants, fish oil, and probiotic. These are the> necessities that most including Dr. Mercola agree with. After this>

supplements should be used sparingly to help with certain> symptoms/diagnoses, to restore the body to optimal health, then stop> taking them, and back to the basics. Dr. Mercola and many will tell> you this. I don't know why Dr. Mercola won't just state why he> doesn't like Lugols/Iodoral, I emailed them with just that question,> and they only stated the same thing that was in the article, I> emailed back and drilled them, on my health issues, and relied on> Dr. M's suggestions, but was baffled, and confused on this. I still> got the same reply, but a little more vague. I replied, with does> Dr. Mercola's team need to research this more before making a sound> statement on Iodine suggestions and dosages, and they said yes that> he does want to be sure before giving his opinions, but they didn't> say for Lugols specifically. As you can see I am a detailed person,>

and diligent as are most of you, especially to be using Iodine,> which might be the most touchiest supplement to use out there. I was> using an adrenal supplement for almost 6 years for extra energy,> which worked great for a wile, then it was a roller coaster ride,> then I believe a crash this past year with my heart skipping. My> chiropractor who sells Standard Process and follows Dr. Stuart> White's practice in Houston, told me what I stated above about> supplementation, but he also says if you don't get good somewhat> timely results from your supplements above, then stop taking it and> try some other brand, but only the above stuff unless guided by a> practitioner, or very experienced. Crashing my adrenals got me> experienced! !! Stay diligent as you are, and keep reading asking> and challenging for truth and knowledge, and you'll always at least> be heading

in the right direction, and hopefully faster than slower.> I would've rather gone through what I've gone through over the last> 6 years as opposed to people I know mainly my family members that> have terrible health, and a father that died of esophageal cancer,> and would not change his ways. When you find truth, change your> ways, fix it and keep it fixed, as I tell my 6 and 4 year old. There> is a wealth of info on this site, including Dr. Lam which I read a> ton on his site. Thanks to Steph and others that have contributed> and developed one of my top sites for gathering info now! Happy New> Year, and as our pastor said tonight, it's going to be your best> year ever! Chris> > > > >> > >> > >> > > I've been taking Lugols for over a year, (have hashis/on> Armour), stopped> > > for few months, but have been back now for several months......> > > But the bottom line is---is there any real evidence that Lugols> is harmful> >

> to thyroids.... .????> > > I know there has been one poster who said a child developed> thyroid> > > problem after taking Iodine, but HAS ANYONE ELSE experienced> negative thyroid> > > effects, either on this forum or anywhere else.....???> > >> > > Blessings, Margaret> > > "We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the> past, but by> > > the love we're not extending in the present."> > > nne on> > >> >> > >

[Guest guest]



Take magnesium alone as the cramps are usually too much ca in relationship to mg.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Yep, that's what I do. Although I do take a

minimal amount of calcium with my S3 for

absorption. I usually don't take but 300 mg

calcium with the D3.

Bethann

If we could sell our experiences for what they

cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Bruce wrote:

>

>

> 

>

> Take magnesium alone as the cramps are usually too much ca in

> relationship to mg.

>

> Bruce

>

[Guest guest]



To not replete cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the case of cancer where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores his patient's magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room physician not rushing resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to have or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to pay attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full magnesium cellular stores.Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's cancer treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion from the first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes about three to four months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be when treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will commonly experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many people whose bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too much different than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water. It is that basic to life, that important, that necessary.That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or spray it right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally absorbed and has analmost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer. "There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an important role in the development of prostate cancer," says Dr. Carmen , senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500 mg.

Later in 1998, Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic, published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and found men consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of developing prostate cancer than those consuming the least.The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood calcium levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated calcium levels are also associated with arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration, calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders, chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium, zinc, iron and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with Vitamin D and subsequently inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin D are supplemented.

Recommendations of magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in preventing cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first six months of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one part calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the first months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels comes with patients suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper assimilation and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we consume too much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is not utilized correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful conditions in the body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of magnesium depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration (Fatemi et al., 1991).Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book "Winning the War On Cancer".Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/) .

http://www.naturalnews.com/023279.html

Bruce

[Guest guest]



On magnesium, also mentions iodine:

http://www.naturalnews.com/024847_magnesium_insulin_medicine.html

Hormones, DHEA, and much more. Dr Sircus wrote this which Mike states is the most comprehensive article on magnesium.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

It’s all

about balance and while I agree that magnesium is important; it is not

something, in and of itself, that is going to save someone from cancer.  We need to be very careful about using

discernment, especially when talking about cancer.

Calcium is just as important; however if one tests high for calcium or anything

else for that matter then we need to find out why.  And the reason is not always because they are

supplementing with high levels of calcium supplements.  I wouldn’t rely too much on conventional

studies about calcium as usually they have absolutely no idea what type of

calcium is best.  Those getting their

calcium from dairy most likely have more cancer because of the dairy!

In my opinion way too much emphasis is put on one or two supplements as being

the “end all†for a health concern or disease. 

As far as the calcium requirement for men and women being lower than

previously estimated – highly debatable – since it depends on what form of calcium

is being used.  If one is using a very

absorbable/useable form then of course one will need less than the recommended

amount of calcium carbonate that has been pushed for so long.  But if one has difficultly absorbing or utilizing

calcium then one would have to use more or better yet get to the root of the

concern and heal the digestive tract.

This goes on way too much in natural medicine as a “star†nutrient is created

about every two-three years.  First

calcium, then magnesium, then iodine, then Vitamin D.  They are all VERY important.  Because of gut issues, poor assimilation

issues caused by the SAD and  the RDA

recommendations which have been ridiculous for a long, long time many find that

they are fighting a health concern that has its roots in vitamin/mineral

deficiency.  Don’t just assume that you

are low because of the hype.  Look for

symptoms of deficiency, do some lab work, supplement if low and then stay

balanced through healthy diet, digestive tract clean-up and absorbable

supplementation. 

Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bruce

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010

3:33 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Mag and leg

cramps

To

not replete cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the

case of cancer where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores

his patient's magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room

physician not rushing resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one

elects to have or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason

to pay attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full

magnesium cellular stores.

Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's cancer

treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion from the

first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself

in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the

last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes about three to four

months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be when

treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will commonly

experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many people whose

bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too much different

than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water. It is that basic

to life, that important, that necessary.

That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency

room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if

administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if

one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or spray it

right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?

Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally

absorbed and has an

almost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.

Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:

Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies

showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer.

" There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an

important role in the development of prostate cancer, " says Dr. Carmen

, senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research

department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998

Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming

between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of

being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the

body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking

in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of developing metastatic

prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500 mg.

Later in 1998, Harvard

researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men diagnosed

with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the disease. That

study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling of risk

of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy

products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount of calcium

in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic, published in

October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and found men

consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of developing

prostate cancer than those consuming the least.

The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood calcium

levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated calcium

levels are also associated with arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration,

calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL

triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders,

chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium, zinc, iron

and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with Vitamin D and subsequently

inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin

D are supplemented.

Recommendations of magnesium

to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in preventing

cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first six months

of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one part calcium.

In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the first months for the

only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels comes with patients

suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical wisdom that

tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper assimilation

and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we consume too

much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is not utilized

correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful conditions in the

body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium deficiency in

humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of magnesium depletion

significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration (Fatemi et al., 1991).

Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.

This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book " Winning the

War On Cancer " .

Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/)

..

http://www.naturalnews.com/023279.html

Bruce

[Guest guest]



No one said it will save anyone from cancer. The article was specifically speaking about magnesium.

One usually doesn't discuss every mineral in creation when talking about one.

I suggest you read the IMVA site and Mark's books.

Magnesium chloride is the best form,

Most are mg deficient, yet taking calcium is all too often given. No one is saying one or two supplements are the answer.

To look at supplements one has to by necessity explain the importance of each and the facts about ballance.

When one has a ratio of 20:1 of omega 6 to omega 3, one does not tell those to take more omega 3 AND 6.

Some are taking over 1,000mg calcium and little magnesium, or even some magnesium oxide which has low bioavailability.

Just like this site is on iodine, its all about taking iodine, no-one (hopefully) thinks that means iodine is everything.

So if one mentions the benefits of magnesium, the fact that most are deficient, and what it contributes to in the body, one gives information on that.

As a doctor you seem uninformed on magnesium. That is ok, the vast majority are.

Perhaps on magnesium you can discuss it with Dr Sircus what he means. No one is emphasizing any one or two supplements here.

The dairy industry has brainwashed way too many, including doctors, into thinking more calcium is the answer in way too many cases.

Bruce

RE: Mag and leg cramps

It’s all about balance and while I agree that magnesium is important; it is not something, in and of itself, that is going to save someone from cancer. We need to be very careful about using discernment, especially when talking about cancer.Calcium is just as important; however if one tests high for calcium or anything else for that matter then we need to find out why. And the reason is not always because they are supplementing with high levels of calcium supplements. I wouldn’t rely too much on conventional studies about calcium as usually they have absolutely no idea what type of calcium is best. Those getting their calcium from dairy most likely have more cancer because of the dairy!In my opinion way too much emphasis is put on one or two supplements as being the “end all†for a health concern or disease. As far as the calcium requirement for men and women being lower than previously estimated – highly debatable – since it depends on what form of calcium is being used. If one is using a very absorbable/useable form then of course one will need less than the recommended amount of calcium carbonate that has been pushed for so long. But if one has difficultly absorbing or utilizing calcium then one would have to use more or better yet get to the root of the concern and heal the digestive tract.This goes on way too much in natural medicine as a “star†nutrient is created about every two-three years. First calcium, then magnesium, then iodine, then Vitamin D. They are all VERY important. Because of gut issues, poor assimilation issues caused by the SAD and the RDA recommendations which have been ridiculous for a long, long time many find that they are fighting a health concern that has its roots in vitamin/mineral deficiency. Don’t just assume that you are low because of the hype. Look for symptoms of deficiency, do some lab work, supplement if low and then stay balanced through healthy diet, digestive tract clean-up and absorbable supplementation.

Be WellDr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of BruceSent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:33 PMiodine Subject: Re: Mag and leg cramps

To not replete cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the case of cancer where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores his patient's magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room physician not rushing resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to have or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to pay attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full magnesium cellular stores.Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's cancer treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion from the first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes about three to four months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be when treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will commonly experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many people whose bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too much different than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water. It is that basic to life, that important, that necessary.That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or spray it right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally absorbed and has analmost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer. "There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an important role in the development of prostate cancer," says Dr. Carmen , senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500 mg.

Later in 1998, Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic, published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and found men consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of developing prostate cancer than those consuming the least.The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood calcium levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated calcium levels are also associated with arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration, calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders, chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium, zinc, iron and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with Vitamin D and subsequently inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin D are supplemented.

Recommendations of magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in preventing cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first six months of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one part calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the first months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels comes with patients suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper assimilation and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we consume too much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is not utilized correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful conditions in the body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of magnesium depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration (Fatemi et al., 1991).Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book "Winning the War On Cancer".Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/) .

http://www.naturalnews.com/023279.html

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Dr L.

There is often the danger of raising the importance of one or several nutrients without

reference to the bigger picture, the person with all their issues,diet,history,exercise

psychology etc.

Yet for reasons of convenience and expedience the question of which type of nutrient

which type of magnesium, or calcium or vitamin D or C etc etc becomes the topic of

conversation.

individuals have to discover for themselves what works for their body, what diet, what

supplements, indeed what doctor.

From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...>Subject: RE: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 22:14

It’s all about balance and while I agree that magnesium is important; it is not something, in and of itself, that is going to save someone from cancer. We need to be very careful about using discernment, especially when talking about cancer.Calcium is just as important; however if one tests high for calcium or anything else for that matter then we need to find out why. And the reason is not always because they are supplementing with high levels of calcium supplements. I wouldn’t rely too much on conventional studies about calcium as usually they have absolutely no idea what type of calcium is best. Those getting their calcium from dairy most likely have more cancer because of the dairy!In my opinion way too much emphasis is put on one or two supplements as

being the “end all†for a health concern or disease. As far as the calcium requirement for men and women being lower than previously estimated – highly debatable – since it depends on what form of calcium is being used. If one is using a very absorbable/useable form then of course one will need less than the recommended amount of calcium carbonate that has been pushed for so long. But if one has difficultly absorbing or utilizing calcium then one would have to use more or better yet get to the root of the concern and heal the digestive tract.This goes on way too much in natural medicine as a “star†nutrient is created about every two-three years. First calcium, then magnesium, then iodine, then Vitamin D. They are all VERY important. Because of gut issues, poor assimilation issues caused by the SAD and

the RDA recommendations which have been ridiculous for a long, long time many find that they are fighting a health concern that has its roots in vitamin/mineral deficiency. Don’t just assume that you are low because of the hype. Look for symptoms of deficiency, do some lab work, supplement if low and then stay balanced through healthy diet, digestive tract clean-up and absorbable supplementation.

Be WellDr.L

From: iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of BruceSent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 3:33 PMiodinegroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: Mag and leg cramps

To not replete cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the case of cancer where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores his patient's magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room physician not rushing resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to have or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to pay attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full magnesium cellular stores.Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's cancer treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion from the first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes

about three to four months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be when treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will commonly experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many people whose bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too much different than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water. It is that basic to life, that important, that necessary.That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or spray it right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally absorbed and has analmost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer. "There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an important role in the development of prostate cancer," says Dr. Carmen , senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500

mg.

Later in 1998, Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic, published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and found men consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of developing prostate cancer than those consuming the least.The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood calcium levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated calcium levels are also associated with

arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration, calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders, chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium, zinc, iron and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with Vitamin D and subsequently inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin D are supplemented.

Recommendations of magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in preventing cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first six months of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one part calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the first months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels comes with patients suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper assimilation and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we consume too much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is not utilized correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful conditions in the body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of magnesium depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration (Fatemi et al., 1991).Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book "Winning the War On Cancer".Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiu mforlife.

com/) .

http://www.naturaln ews.com/023279. html

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Yes, Bruce, the article implies that magnesium will “do it

all.â€Â  “That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the

emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if

administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if

one has cancer.â€

I am very familiar with Mark and his books and he has been on

some of the same forums that I am on.  I

am sure he is a good practitioner but many times information is given out that

makes a supplement look like an end-all. 

Calcium is still needed and is very important and like I said it is more

about using absorbable forms that actually get to where they will be utilized

effectively.   

Do you have proof that most are deficient? 

Because I see labs all the time that just do not indicate this.  However, if we are talking just about cancer,

then the percentages will be high that one is deficient but then those with

cancer are deficient in a lot of important vitamins/minerals because the body

is in a state of dis-ease.  The diary

industry has never used a truly absorbable form of calcium and in fact people

who consume a lot of what I call grocery-store dairy will have calcium leached

from their bones. 

I am a nine year cancer survivor that used Calcium Orotate every single day.  Did not use iodine….nor tremendous amounts of

magnesium.  I know many cancer survivors

that have not used iodine but that doesn’t mean it is not needed.  We are finding pieces to the puzzle all the

time, but it still must be an individual thing as none of us are

cookie-cutters.

Yes, many on this list do think that iodine is the end-all answer to everything

or they hope that it will be for them. 

And for some it will be the answer they need, but not for everyone and

we see this played out every once-in-a-while. 

Some use it like a pharmaceutical drug in that nothing in their lifestyle

is being changed.  They are adding

supplementation only.

Please don’t assume that all doctors are uniformed, Bruce.  I am a traditional naturopath and deal with

cancer clients often.  There are no magic

bullets and I think you know this so please don’t be on the attack.  We are on the same side. J  It is

difficult to undo misconceptions of clients coming in with misinformation that

magnesiums is the end-all or iodine is the end-all or D3.  Again, it’s all about balance which is not always

conveyed or reminded and thus many do not realize this concept.  They go from one supplement to another to

another and one forum to another to another. 

Healing must involve the whole body because if one part is unwell then

the entire body suffers.  We are not just

thyroids, adrenal glands, digestive tracts, stomachs, breasts, etc.

Again, we are on the same side.  Please

hear where I am coming from. If you felt attacked, I apologize as that was not

my intention at all.  J

Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bruce

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010

4:29 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Mag and leg

cramps



No

one said it will save anyone from cancer. The article was specifically speaking

about magnesium.

One

usually doesn't discuss every mineral in creation when talking about one.

I

suggest you read the IMVA site and Mark's books.

Magnesium

chloride is the best form,

Most

are mg deficient, yet taking calcium is all too often given. No one is saying

one or two supplements are the answer.

To

look at supplements one has to by necessity explain the importance of each and

the facts about ballance.

When

one has a ratio of 20:1 of omega 6 to omega 3, one does not tell those to take

more omega 3 AND 6.

Some

are taking over 1,000mg calcium and little magnesium, or even some magnesium

oxide which has low bioavailability.

Just

like this site is on iodine, its all about taking iodine, no-one (hopefully)

thinks that means iodine is everything.

So

if one mentions the benefits of magnesium, the fact that most are deficient,

and what it contributes to in the body, one gives information on that.

As

a doctor you seem uninformed on magnesium. That is ok, the vast majority are.

Perhaps

on magnesium you can discuss it with Dr Sircus what he means. No one is

emphasizing any one or two supplements here.

The

dairy industry has brainwashed way too many, including doctors, into

thinking more calcium is the answer in way too many cases.

Bruce

-----

Original Message -----

From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier

iodine

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:14 PM

Subject: RE: Mag and leg cramps

It’s all about balance and while I agree

that magnesium is important; it is not something, in and of itself, that is

going to save someone from cancer. We need to be very careful about using

discernment, especially when talking about cancer.

Calcium is just as important; however if one tests high for calcium or anything

else for that matter then we need to find out why. And the reason is not

always because they are supplementing with high levels of calcium

supplements. I wouldn’t rely too much on conventional studies about calcium

as usually they have absolutely no idea what type of calcium is best.

Those getting their calcium from dairy most likely have more cancer because of

the dairy!

In my opinion way too much emphasis is put on one or two supplements as being

the “end all†for a health concern or disease. As far as the calcium

requirement for men and women being lower than previously estimated – highly

debatable – since it depends on what form of calcium is being used. If

one is using a very absorbable/useable form then of course one will need less

than the recommended amount of calcium carbonate that has been pushed for so

long. But if one has difficultly absorbing or utilizing calcium then one

would have to use more or better yet get to the root of the concern and heal the

digestive tract.

This goes on way too much in natural medicine as a “star†nutrient is created

about every two-three years. First calcium, then magnesium, then iodine,

then Vitamin D. They are all VERY important. Because of gut issues,

poor assimilation issues caused by the SAD and the RDA recommendations

which have been ridiculous for a long, long time many find that they are

fighting a health concern that has its roots in vitamin/mineral

deficiency. Don’t just assume that you are low because of the hype.

Look for symptoms of deficiency, do some lab work, supplement if low and then

stay balanced through healthy diet, digestive tract clean-up and absorbable

supplementation.

Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine

[mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bruce

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010

3:33 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Mag and leg

cramps

To not replete

cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the case of cancer

where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores his patient's

magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room physician not rushing

resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to have or has

already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to pay attention to a

concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full magnesium cellular stores.

Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's cancer

treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion from the

first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself

in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the

last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes about three to four

months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be when

treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will commonly

experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many people whose

bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too much different

than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water. It is that basic

to life, that important, that necessary.

That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency

room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if

administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if

one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or spray it

right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?

Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally

absorbed and has an

almost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.

Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:

Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies

showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer.

" There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an

important role in the development of prostate cancer, " says Dr. Carmen

, senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research

department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998

Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming

between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of

being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the

body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking

in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of developing metastatic

prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500 mg.

Later in 1998,

Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men

diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the

disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling

of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy

products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount of calcium

in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic, published in

October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and found men

consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of developing

prostate cancer than those consuming the least.

The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood calcium

levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated calcium

levels are also associated with arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration,

calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL

triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders,

chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium, zinc, iron

and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with Vitamin D and subsequently

inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin

D are supplemented.

Recommendations of

magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in

preventing cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first

six months of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one

part calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the first

months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels comes with

patients suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical

wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper

assimilation and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we

consume too much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is

not utilized correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful

conditions in the body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium

deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of magnesium

depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration (Fatemi et

al., 1991).

Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.

This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book " Winning the

War On Cancer " .

Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/)

..

http://www.naturalnews.com/023279.html

Bruce

[Guest guest]



As for testing, I wish everyone would, but many here cannot afford it, and most doctors have no clue about the below type of measuring it.

"Magnesium is an important element for health and disease. Magnesium, the second most abundant intracellular cation, has been identified as a cofactor in over 300 enzymatic reactions involving energy metabolism and protein and nucleic acid synthesis. Approximately half of the total magnesium in the body is present in soft tissue, and the other half in bone.

** Less than 1% of the total body magnesium is present in blood.

Nonetheless, the majority of our experimental information comes from determination of magnesium in serum and red blood cells. At present, we have little information about equilibrium among and state of magnesium within body pools. Magnesium is absorbed uniformly from the small intestine and the serum concentration controlled by excretion from the kidney.

The clinical laboratory evaluation of magnesium status is primarily limited to the serum magnesium concentration, 24-hour urinary excretion, and percent retention following parenteral magnesium. However, results for these tests do not necessarily correlate with intracellular magnesium.

Thus, there is no readily available test to determine intracellular/total body magnesium status

A large segment of the U.S. population may have an inadequate intake of magnesium and may have a chronic latent magnesium deficiency that has been linked to atherosclerosis, myocardial infarction, hypertension,

cancer,

kidney stones, premenstrual syndrome, and psychiatric disorders. Hypermagnesemia is primarily seen in acute and chronic renal failure, and is treated effectively by dialysis."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282851

One example of hundreds

Bruce

[Guest guest]

well said Bruce.

Exactly my point.

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 22:29

 No one said it will save anyone from cancer. The article was specifically speaking about magnesium.

One usually doesn't discuss every mineral in creation when talking about one.

I suggest you read the IMVA site and Mark's books.

Magnesium chloride is the best form,

Most are mg deficient, yet taking calcium is all too often given. No one is saying one or two supplements are the answer.

To look at supplements one has to by necessity explain the importance of each and the facts about ballance.

When one has a ratio of 20:1 of omega 6 to omega 3, one does not tell those to take more omega 3 AND 6.

Some are taking over 1,000mg calcium and little magnesium, or even some magnesium oxide which has low bioavailability.

Just like this site is on iodine, its all about taking iodine, no-one (hopefully) thinks that means iodine is everything.

So if one mentions the benefits of magnesium, the fact that most are deficient, and what it contributes to in the body, one gives information on that.

As a doctor you seem uninformed on magnesium. That is ok, the vast majority are.

Perhaps on magnesium you can discuss it with Dr Sircus what he means. No one is emphasizing any one or two supplements here.

The dairy industry has brainwashed way too many, including doctors, into thinking more calcium is the answer in way too many cases.

Bruce

Re: Mag and leg cramps

To not replete cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the case of cancer where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores his patient's magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room physician not rushing resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to have or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to pay attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full magnesium cellular stores.Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's cancer treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion from the first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes

about three to four months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be when treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will commonly experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many people whose bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too much different than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water. It is that basic to life, that important, that necessary.That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or spray it right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally absorbed and has analmost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer. "There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an important role in the development of prostate cancer," says Dr. Carmen , senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500

mg.

Later in 1998, Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic, published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and found men consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of developing prostate cancer than those consuming the least.The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood calcium levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated calcium levels are also associated with

arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration, calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders, chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium, zinc, iron and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with Vitamin D and subsequently inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin D are supplemented.

Recommendations of magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in preventing cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first six months of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one part calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the first months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels comes with patients suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper assimilation and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we consume too much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is not utilized correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful conditions in the body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of magnesium depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration (Fatemi et al., 1991).Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book "Winning the War On Cancer".Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiu mforlife.

com/) .

http://www.naturaln ews.com/023279. html

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, .  But

we must be careful in making one supplement seem to be the “end-all†especially

when talking about cancer.

No one is a cookie-cutter and there are so many more things that need to be

taken into conideration: lifestyle, other supplementation, gut issues, toxicity,

diet, etc. 

Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of david kenna

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010

5:00 PM

iodine

Subject: RE: Mag and leg

cramps

Dr L.

There is

often the danger of raising the importance of one or several nutrients

without

reference

to the bigger picture, the person with all their issues,diet,history,exercise

psychology

etc.

Yet for

reasons of convenience and expedience the question of which type of nutrient

which type

of magnesium, or calcium or vitamin D or C etc etc becomes the topic of

conversation.

individuals

have to discover for themselves what works for their body, what diet, what

supplements,

indeed what doctor.

From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier <drlanphier@...>

Subject: RE: Mag and leg cramps

iodine

Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 22:14

It’s all about balance and while I

agree that magnesium is important; it is not something, in and of itself,

that is going to save someone from cancer. We need to be very careful

about using discernment, especially when talking about cancer.

Calcium is just as important; however if one tests high for calcium or

anything else for that matter then we need to find out why. And the

reason is not always because they are supplementing with high levels of

calcium supplements. I wouldn’t rely too much on conventional studies

about calcium as usually they have absolutely no idea what type of calcium is

best. Those getting their calcium from dairy most likely have more

cancer because of the dairy!

In my opinion way too much emphasis is put on one or two supplements as being

the “end all†for a health concern or disease. As far as the calcium

requirement for men and women being lower than previously estimated – highly

debatable – since it depends on what form of calcium is being used. If

one is using a very absorbable/useable form then of course one will need less

than the recommended amount of calcium carbonate that has been pushed for so

long. But if one has difficultly absorbing or utilizing calcium then

one would have to use more or better yet get to the root of the concern and

heal the digestive tract.

This goes on way too much in natural medicine as a “star†nutrient is created

about every two-three years. First calcium, then magnesium, then

iodine, then Vitamin D. They are all VERY important. Because of

gut issues, poor assimilation issues caused by the SAD and the RDA

recommendations which have been ridiculous for a long, long time many find that

they are fighting a health concern that has its roots in vitamin/mineral

deficiency. Don’t just assume that you are low because of the

hype. Look for symptoms of deficiency, do some lab work, supplement if

low and then stay balanced through healthy diet, digestive tract clean-up and

absorbable supplementation.

Be Well

Dr.L

From:

iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of Bruce

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010

3:33 PM

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Mag and

leg cramps

To not replete

cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the case of

cancer where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores his

patient's magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room physician

not rushing resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to

have or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to pay

attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full magnesium

cellular stores.

Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's

cancer treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion

from the first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost

drown oneself in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the

first, not the last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes

about three to four months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where

they should be when treated intensely transdermally but within days patients

will commonly experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many

people whose bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too

much different than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water.

It is that basic to life, that important, that necessary.

That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency

room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if

administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life

if one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or

spray it right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?

Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally

absorbed and has an

almost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.

Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:

Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies

showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate

cancer. " There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play

an important role in the development of prostate cancer, " says Dr.

Carmen , senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance

research department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that

a 1998 Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those

consuming between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the

risk of being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other

parts of the body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less.

And those taking in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of

developing metastatic prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500 mg.

Later in 1998,

Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men

diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the

disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near

doubling of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high

amounts of dairy products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total

amount of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic,

published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men

and found men consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of

developing prostate cancer than those consuming the least.

The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood

calcium levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated

calcium levels are also associated with arthritic/joint and vascular

degeneration, calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and

increase in VLDL triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and

depressive disorders, chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances

including magnesium, zinc, iron and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere

with Vitamin D and subsequently inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective

effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin D are supplemented.

Recommendations

of magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in

preventing cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the

first six months of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium

to one part calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the

first months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels

comes with patients suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical

wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper

assimilation and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we

consume too much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is

not utilized correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful

conditions in the body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of

magnesium deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of

magnesium depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration

(Fatemi et al., 1991).

Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.

This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book " Winning the

War On Cancer " .

Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiu

mforlife. com/) .

http://www.naturaln

ews.com/023279. html

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Don't they also use IV magnesium as an emergency treatment for severe asthma attacks? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. I have asthma, so this is interesting to me. I'm wondering if magnesium supplements would help my asthma. So far I don't recall seeing anything about iodine helping asthma, but I may have missed it.

In a message dated 1/3/2010 3:33:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, bruce@... writes:

 To not replete cellular magnesium levels would be negligent, especially in the case of cancer where a person's life is on the line. An oncologist who ignores his patient's magnesium levels would be analogous to an emergency room physician not rushing resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to have or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to pay attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full magnesium cellular stores.Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any person's cancer treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms possible, our suggestion from the first day on the Survival Medicine Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself in transdermally applied magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the last thing, we think of when it comes to cancer. It takes about three to four months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be when treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will commonly experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For many people whose bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience is not too much different than for a person coming out of a desert desperate for water. It is that basic to life, that important, that necessary.That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has cancer. All a patient has to do is pour it into their baths or spray it right onto their bodies. What could be simpler?Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is transdermally absorbed and has analmost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of recent studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase risk of prostate cancer. "There is reasonable evidence to suggest that calcium may play an important role in the development of prostate cancer," says Dr. Carmen , senior epidemiologist in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the risk of being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more had over four times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those taking in less than 500 mg.

Later in 1998, Harvard researchers published a study of dairy product intake among 526 men diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536 similar men not diagnosed with the disease. That study found a 50% increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling of risk of metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the topic, published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake among 20,885 men and found men consuming the most dairy products had about 32% higher risk of developing prostate cancer than those consuming the least.The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high blood calcium levels, kidney stone formation and kidney complications. Elevated calcium levels are also associated with arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration, calcification of soft tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL triglycerides, gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders, chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium, zinc, iron and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with Vitamin D and subsequently inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin D are supplemented.

Recommendations of magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to 1:1. For those interested in preventing cancer, one should look closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first six months of treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one part calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the first months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium levels comes with patients suffering from kidney failure.

It is medical wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the key to the body's proper assimilation and use of calcium, as well as other important nutrients. If we consume too much calcium, without sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is not utilized correctly and may actually become toxic, causing painful conditions in the body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of magnesium depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium concentration (Fatemi et al., 1991).Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously estimated.This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book "Winning the War On Cancer".Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/) .

http://www.naturalnews.com/023279.html

Bruce

[Guest guest]

read Mike's article and subscribe tio his excellent site.

From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Mag and leg crampsiodine Date: Sunday, 3 January, 2010, 22:08

 On magnesium, also mentions iodine:

http://www.naturaln ews.com/024847_ magnesium_ insulin_medicine .html

Hormones, DHEA, and much more. Dr Sircus wrote this which Mike states is the most comprehensive article on magnesium.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

No one says it is an end all except you.

Doctors have been : " taking everything into consideration " for thirty years

and more, yet the death rate and sickness is going through the ceiling.

The medical system has not only failed us, it is in many cases criminal.

WE are going to take our health back.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier

Absolutely, . But we must be careful in making one supplement seem to

be the “end-all†especially when talking about cancer.

No one is a cookie-cutter and there are so many more things that need to be

taken into conideration: lifestyle, other supplementation, gut issues,

toxicity, diet, etc.

Be Well

Dr.L

[Guest guest]

I have found it always very important to go by symptoms and

less important to go by labs…but I do believe they are necessary.  However, many times serum testing (for

instance in the case of hormones) does not match up with symptoms thus we must

look futher to find the root. 

Conventional medicine’s answer is to give out an anti-depressant because

if the labs don’t indicate a concern then there must not be a concern….right?  Of course, this is ridiculous. 

Magnesium deficiency “may†(operative word) truly play an

important part in atheroslerosis, myocardial infarction, hypertension, cancer….but

so “may†(operative word) diet, stress, negative emotions, exercise, etc.

I have seen people get on a very healthy diet plus exercise plus stress

reduction and absolutely every one of their health concerns go away.  I have seen the same thing with diet only.  Most natural doctors will tell you they see

the same thing.

Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Bruce

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010

5:11 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Mag and leg

cramps



As for testing, I wish

everyone would, but many here cannot afford it, and most doctors have no clue

about the below type of measuring it.

" Magnesium is an

important element for health and disease. Magnesium, the second most abundant

intracellular cation, has been identified as a cofactor in over 300 enzymatic

reactions involving energy metabolism and protein and nucleic acid synthesis.

Approximately half of the total magnesium in the body is present in soft

tissue, and the other half in bone.

** Less than 1% of the total

body magnesium is present in blood.

Nonetheless, the

majority of our experimental information comes from determination of magnesium

in serum and red blood cells. At present, we have little information about

equilibrium among and state of magnesium within body pools. Magnesium is

absorbed uniformly from the small intestine and the serum concentration

controlled by excretion from the kidney.

The clinical laboratory

evaluation of magnesium status is primarily limited to the serum magnesium

concentration, 24-hour urinary excretion, and percent retention following

parenteral magnesium. However, results for these tests do not necessarily

correlate with intracellular magnesium.

Thus, there is no readily

available test to determine intracellular/total body magnesium status

A large segment of the U.S.

population may have an inadequate intake of magnesium and may have a chronic

latent magnesium deficiency that has been linked to atherosclerosis, myocardial

infarction, hypertension,

cancer,

kidney stones,

premenstrual syndrome, and psychiatric disorders. Hypermagnesemia is primarily

seen in acute and chronic renal failure, and is treated effectively by

dialysis. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282851

One

example of hundreds

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Can isn't the same as will.

I believe your words will have a tendency for people to ignore magnesium. It

is important.

What Mark is saying is important.

The quest ion was about leg cramps. We often state our experiences, in many

cases trying magnesium:

1) Will most likely work, it always has for me any everyone I know (mg

chloride transdermally)

2) If not effective, then go on to other things.

Stop diverting things away. If you don't know that most are deficient, there

are 2 reasons.

1) Doctors measure serum levels which indicate little.

2) Look it up.

And by the way, they DO use it in cardiac arrest AND strokes in many emerg

wards that have the sense to.

All the best

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier

Yes, Bruce, the article implies that magnesium will “do it all.†“That

same

power found in magnesium that will save your life in the emergency room

during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a stroke if administered

in a timely fashion, is the same power that can save one's life if one has

cancer.â€

[Guest guest]



may may may,

I have cramps, I try mg oil. It works.

Someone asks - they have leg cramps, I suggest trying mg alone (not WITH ca in this one instance.)

We are a self help group.

Supply interesting link to an article on a respected site by another respected researcher on mg RELATED to the question.

No one says it is the end all. period.

You come in and mix things up with all the other things inluding doubts, which while true, means I have to write a book with 2,000 ifs buts and maybes.

Let it go.

Bruce

RE: Mag and leg cramps

I have found it always very important to go by symptoms and less important to go by labs…but I do believe they are necessary. However, many times serum testing (for instance in the case of hormones) does not match up with symptoms thus we must look futher to find the root. Conventional medicine’s answer is to give out an anti-depressant because if the labs don’t indicate a concern then there must not be a concern….right? Of course, this is ridiculous.

Magnesium deficiency “may†(operative word) truly play an important part in atheroslerosis, myocardial infarction, hypertension, cancer….but so “may†(operative word) diet, stress, negative emotions, exercise, etc.I have seen people get on a very healthy diet plus exercise plus stress reduction and absolutely every one of their health concerns go away. I have seen the same thing with diet only. Most natural doctors will tell you they see the same thing. Be WellDr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of BruceSent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 5:11 PMiodine Subject: Re: Mag and leg cramps



As for testing, I wish everyone would, but many here cannot afford it, and most doctors have no clue about the below type of measuring it.

"Magnesium is an important element for health and disease. Magnesium, the second most abundant intracellular cation, has been identified as a cofactor in over 300 enzymatic reactions involving energy metabolism and protein and nucleic acid synthesis. Approximately half of the total magnesium in the body is present in soft tissue, and the other half in bone.

** Less than 1% of the total body magnesium is present in blood.

Nonetheless, the majority of our experimental information comes from determination of magnesium in serum and red blood cells. At present, we have little information about equilibrium among and state of magnesium within body pools. Magnesium is absorbed uniformly from the small intestine and the serum concentration controlled by excretion from the kidney.

The clinical laboratory evaluation of magnesium status is primarily limited to the serum magnesium concentration, 24-hour urinary excretion, and percent retention following parenteral magnesium. However, results for these tests do not necessarily correlate with intracellular magnesium.

Thus, there is no readily available test to determine intracellular/total body magnesium status

A large segment of the U.S. population may have an inadequate intake of magnesium and may have a chronic latent magnesium deficiency that has been linked to atherosclerosis, myocardial infarction, hypertension,

cancer,

kidney stones, premenstrual syndrome, and psychiatric disorders. Hypermagnesemia is primarily seen in acute and chronic renal failure, and is treated effectively by dialysis."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3282851

One example of hundreds

Bruce

[Guest guest]



Bruce,

To what you state, I can attest to from personal experience.

You are not 'The Lone Ranger", the medical system by and large has failed us.

Bonnie

Re: Mag and leg cramps

No one says it is an end all except you.Doctors have been :"taking everything into consideration" for thirty years and more, yet the death rate and sickness is going through the ceiling.The medical system has not only failed us, it is in many cases criminal.WE are going to take our health back.Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Loretta LanphierAbsolutely, . But we must be careful in making one supplement seem to be the “end-all†especially when talking about cancer.No one is a cookie-cutter and there are so many more things that need to be taken into conideration: lifestyle, other supplementation, gut issues, toxicity, diet, etc.Be WellDr.L

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bonnie.

Yes it has, and continues to do so.

I mention mg often as it is misunderstood, little used properly, and not

known.

If it goes too far I'll mention calcium lol

Drs have no clue.they check mg like they check tsh...lost in lala land.

B

----- Original Message -----

From: Bonnie



Bruce,

To what you state, I can attest to from personal experience.

You are not 'The Lone Ranger " , the medical system by and large has failed

us.

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

You have a right to your belief or opinion and so do I.  I did not indicate to ignore magnesium.  I said " balance. "  

When people use a calcium that is not absorbable and possibly even harmful like

is in most grocery-store vitamins and dairy, then of course we can expect

health concerns because the body cannot use it effectively.  But it is not because of the calcium it is

because the “form†of calcium being used. 

  

I did not say that magnesium was not effective. 

In fact we use Ancient Minerals in our clinic.  But we also use Calcium Orotate which also

contains magnesium aspartate and has actually been studied by Dr. Hans Nieper

(Germany) who used it as a part of a cancer protocol as well as many other

health concerns and had good success.  And it works for leg cramps as well.

I do understand your anger, Bruce, but it is very misdirected. 

Be Well

Dr.L

-----Original Message-----

Can isn't the same as will.

I believe your words will have a tendency for

people to ignore magnesium. It

is important.

What Mark is saying is important.

The quest ion was about leg cramps. We often

state our experiences, in many

cases trying magnesium:

1) Will most likely work, it always has for

me any everyone I know (mg

chloride transdermally)

2) If not effective, then go on to other

things.

Stop diverting things away. If you don't know

that most are deficient, there

are 2 reasons.

1) Doctors measure serum levels which

indicate little.

2) Look it up.

And by the way, they DO use it in cardiac

arrest AND strokes in many emerg

wards that have the sense to.

All the best

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Loretta Lanphier

Yes, Bruce, the article implies that

magnesium will “do it all.â€Â  “That same

power found in magnesium that will save your

life in the emergency room

during cardiac arrest, that will diminish

damage of a stroke if administered

in a timely fashion, is the same power that

can save one's life if one has

cancer.â€

[Guest guest]



I have no anger, I was trying to answer one simple question on leg cramps and not write a book on it with 4,000 if but maybe's.

This has gone far off topic and way too mixed up with 200 conditionals.

Not writing more on it

Nothing to do with opinions, I keep mine to myself, though everyone is ebtitled to my opinion lol.

B

[Guest guest]

Dr. L

I think on this particular forum when we say most people are magnesium deficient it is because most of the people who present their health issues here on this forum and ask for input pretty consistently have a long list of complaints many of which are well known in magnesium deficiency. We have no proof at this point but observation would at least make one question whether iodine deficiency and magnesium deficiency may go hand in hand for some reason. Obviously many of us have stressed adrenals and there is a lot of research to show the body uses more magnesium during times of high stress and having thyroid and adrenal issues for years at a time is continual high stress.

I had classic magnesium deficiency symptoms but because I had been using a cal /mag supplement for years it never occurred to me that I could possibly be magnesium deficient and that my calcium magnesium ratio was completely out of balance. Only stopping all calcium supplementation and not drinking our well water which is really high in calcium coupled with high magnesium only supplementation has begun to rectify this imbalance.

Recently there was information presented about using epsom salts in bath to help prevent the body from transdermal uptake of fluoride in the bath water. There was some information presented that indicated the magnesium bound with the fluoride *if* this is true then it would call into question whether those on the iodine protocol may need an even higher than normal amount of magnesium. Like we use salt loading currently to help us carry the bromide out of the body it is possible that the magnesium we take may not all be available for use by the body if we are detoxing large amounts of fluoride, and that one day we *may* find out that those on the iodine protocol should be magnesium loading as well as salt loading. This is all new and we are learning more every day. I think we tend to think of cancer as if it is some unique threat any different than the threats of hypothyroid, adrenal issues, fibromyalgia ect. We are all here because we, or someone we love are sick and all these illnesses stem from deficiencies, diet and chemical exposures. In my mind they are all one in the same, an out of balance system that needs to be restored. Each person needs to look at their own diet and exposures and see what is missing and not just rely on the status quo perspective. Calcium and magnesium should not automatically be taken together IMO. You may need both but not necessarily in the ratio provided by the manufacturer of the supplement and some people will need one but not the other.

I hope that the iodine docs will be looking into the fluoride detox issue as time goes by. We know quite a bit about the bromide and very little about the fluoride in terms of getting it out of us effectively. Until then it seems magnesium is a consistent topic that comes up in relation to the iodine protocol and that is certainly not coincidence. There has to be a reason why the majority of us have as much need of high levels of magnesium as we do high levels of iodine. Perhaps as a doctor you may be in a position to research this possible fluoride magnesium connection yourself.

Engtovo

Re: Mag and leg cramps

Posted by: "Dr. Loretta Lanphier" drlanphier@... lanphierfamily

Sun Jan 3, 2010 2:14 pm (PST)

It’s all about balance and while I agree that magnesium is important; it is not something, in and of itself, that is going to save someone from cancer. We need to be very careful about using discernment, especially when talking about cancer.Calcium is just as important; however if one tests high for calcium or anything else for that matter then we need to find out why. And the reason is not always because they are supplementing with high levels of calcium supplements. I wouldn’t rely too much on conventional studies about calcium as usually they have absolutely no idea what type of calcium is best. Those getting their calcium from dairy most likely have more cancer because of the dairy!In my opinion way too much emphasis is put on one or two supplements as being the “end all” for a health concern or disease. As far as the calcium requirement for men and women being lower than previously estimated – highly debatable – since it depends on what form of calcium is being used. If one is using a very absorbable/useable form then of course one will need less than the recommended amount of calcium carbonate that has been pushed for so long. But if one has difficultly absorbing or utilizing calcium then one would have to use more or better yet get to the root of the concern and heal the digestive tract.This goes on way too much in natural medicine as a “star” nutrient is created about every two-three years. First calcium, then magnesium, then iodine, then Vitamin D. They are all VERY important. Because of gut issues, poor assimilation issues caused by the SAD and the RDA recommendations which have been ridiculous for a long, long time many find that they are fighting a health concern that has its roots in vitamin/mineral deficiency. Don’t just assume that you are low because of the hype. Look for symptoms of deficiency, do some lab work, supplement if low and then stay balanced through healthy diet, digestive tract clean-up and absorbable supplementation. Be Well

[Guest guest]

Thank you Engtovo for a well thought out response. J

Be Well

Dr.L

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Engtovo

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010

6:42 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Mag and leg

cramps

Dr.

L

I

think on this particular forum when we say most people are magnesium deficient

it is because most of the people who present their health issues here on this

forum and ask for input pretty consistently have a long list of complaints many

of which are well known in magnesium deficiency. We have no proof at this

point but observation would at least make one question whether iodine

deficiency and magnesium deficiency may go hand in hand for some reason.

Obviously many of us have stressed adrenals and there is a lot of research to

show the body uses more magnesium during times of high stress and having

thyroid and adrenal issues for years at a time is continual high stress.

I

had classic magnesium deficiency symptoms but because I had been using a cal

/mag supplement for years it never occurred to me that I could possibly be

magnesium deficient and that my calcium magnesium ratio was completely

out of balance. Only stopping all calcium supplementation and not

drinking our well water which is really high in calcium coupled with high

magnesium only supplementation has begun to rectify this imbalance.

Recently

there was information presented about using epsom salts in bath to help prevent

the body from transdermal uptake of fluoride in the bath water. There was

some information presented that indicated the magnesium bound with the fluoride

*if* this is true then it would call into question whether those on the iodine

protocol may need an even higher than normal amount of magnesium. Like we

use salt loading currently to help us carry the bromide out of the body it is

possible that the magnesium we take may not all be available for use by the

body if we are detoxing large amounts of fluoride, and that one day we *may*

find out that those on the iodine protocol should be magnesium loading as well

as salt loading. This is all new and we are learning more every

day. I think we tend to think of cancer as if it is some unique threat

any different than the threats of hypothyroid, adrenal issues, fibromyalgia

ect. We are all here because we, or someone we love are sick and all

these illnesses stem from deficiencies, diet and chemical exposures. In

my mind they are all one in the same, an out of balance system that needs to be

restored. Each person needs to look at their own diet and exposures and

see what is missing and not just rely on the status quo perspective.

Calcium and magnesium should not automatically be taken together IMO. You

may need both but not necessarily in the ratio provided by the manufacturer of

the supplement and some people will need one but not the other.

I

hope that the iodine docs will be looking into the fluoride detox issue as time

goes by. We know quite a bit about the bromide and very little

about the fluoride in terms of getting it out of us effectively. Until

then it seems magnesium is a consistent topic that comes up in relation to the

iodine protocol and that is certainly not coincidence. There has to be a

reason why the majority of us have as much need of high levels of magnesium as

we do high levels of iodine. Perhaps as a doctor you may be in a position

to research this possible fluoride magnesium connection yourself.

Engtovo

Re: Mag and leg

cramps

Posted by: " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " drlanphier@...

lanphierfamily

Sun Jan 3, 2010 2:14 pm (PST)

It’s all about balance and while I agree that magnesium is important; it

is not something, in and of itself, that is going to save someone from cancer.

We need to be very careful about using discernment, especially when talking

about cancer.

Calcium is just as important; however if one tests high for calcium or anything

else for that matter then we need to find out why. And the reason is not always

because they are supplementing with high levels of calcium supplements. I

wouldn’t rely too much on conventional studies about calcium as usually

they have absolutely no idea what type of calcium is best. Those getting their

calcium from dairy most likely have more cancer because of the dairy!

In my opinion way too much emphasis is put on one or two supplements as being

the “end all” for a health concern or disease. As far as the

calcium requirement for men and women being lower than previously estimated

– highly debatable – since it depends on what form of calcium is

being used. If one is using a very absorbable/useable form then of course one

will need less than the recommended amount of calcium carbonate that has been

pushed for so long. But if one has difficultly absorbing or utilizing calcium

then one would have to use more or better yet get to the root of the concern

and heal the digestive tract.

This goes on way too much in natural medicine as a “star” nutrient

is created about every two-three years. First calcium, then magnesium, then

iodine, then Vitamin D. They are all VERY important. Because of gut issues,

poor assimilation issues caused by the SAD and the RDA recommendations which

have been ridiculous for a long, long time many find that they are fighting a

health concern that has its roots in vitamin/mineral deficiency. Don’t

just assume that you are low because of the hype. Look for symptoms of

deficiency, do some lab work, supplement if low and then stay balanced through

healthy diet, digestive tract clean-up and absorbable supplementation.

Be Well

[Guest guest]

Ahhhhhmmmmennnnnn

(Not sarcastic. Sincere. I'm a member of the choir

)

Bethann

If we could sell our experiences for what they

cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Bruce wrote:

>

>

> 

>

> No one said it will save anyone from cancer. The article was

> specifically speaking about magnesium.

> One usually doesn't discuss every mineral in creation when talking about

> one.

> I suggest you read the IMVA site and Mark's books.

> Magnesium chloride is the best form,

>

> Most are mg deficient, yet taking calcium is all too often given. No one

> is saying one or two supplements are the answer.

> To look at supplements one has to by necessity explain the importance of

> each and the facts about ballance.

> When one has a ratio of 20:1 of omega 6 to omega 3, one does not tell

> those to take more omega 3 AND 6.

>

> Some are taking over 1,000mg calcium and little magnesium, or even some

> magnesium oxide which has low bioavailability.

>

> Just like this site is on iodine, its all about taking iodine, no-one

> (hopefully) thinks that means iodine is everything.

> So if one mentions the benefits of magnesium, the fact that most are

> deficient, and what it contributes to in the body, one gives information

> on that.

>

> As a doctor you seem uninformed on magnesium. That is ok, the vast

> majority are.

>

> Perhaps on magnesium you can discuss it with Dr Sircus what he means. No

> one is emphasizing any one or two supplements here.

> The dairy industry has brainwashed way too many, including doctors,

> into thinking more calcium is the answer in way too many cases.

>

> Bruce

>

>

> * Re: Mag and leg cramps

>

>  To not replete cellular magnesium levels would be negligent,

> especially in the case of cancer where a person's life is on the

> line. An oncologist who ignores his patient's magnesium levels would

> be analogous to an emergency room physician not rushing

> resuscitation when a person stops breathing. If one elects to have

> or has already had chemotherapy, they have four times the reason to

> pay attention to a concentrated protocol aimed at replenishing full

> magnesium cellular stores.

>

> Magnesium chloride is the first and most important item in any

> person's cancer treatment strategy. Put in the clearest terms

> possible, our suggestion from the first day on the Survival Medicine

> Cancer Protocol is to almost drown oneself in transdermally applied

> magnesium chloride. It should be the first, not the last thing, we

> think of when it comes to cancer. It takes about three to four

> months to drive up cellular magnesium levels to where they should be

> when treated intensely transdermally but within days patients will

> commonly experience its life saving medical/healing effects. For

> many people whose bodies are starving for magnesium, the experience

> is not too much different than for a person coming out of a desert

> desperate for water. It is that basic to life, that important, that

> necessary.

>

> That same power found in magnesium that will save your life in the

> emergency room during cardiac arrest, that will diminish damage of a

> stroke if administered in a timely fashion, is the same power that

> can save one's life if one has cancer. All a patient has to do is

> pour it into their baths or spray it right onto their bodies. What

> could be simpler?

>

> Magnesium chloride, when applied directly to the skin, is

> transdermally absorbed and has an

> almost immediate effect on chronic and acute pain.

>

> *Special Note on Calcium and Cancer:*

>

> Experts say excessive calcium intake may be unwise in light of

> recent studies showing that high amounts of the mineral may increase

> risk of prostate cancer. " There is reasonable evidence to suggest

> that calcium may play an important role in the development of

> prostate cancer, " says Dr. Carmen , senior epidemiologist

> in the epidemiology and surveillance research department of the

> American Cancer Society (ACS). says that a 1998 Harvard

> School of Public Health study of 47,781 men found those consuming

> between 1,500 and 1,999 mg of calcium per day had about double the

> risk of being diagnosed with metastatic (cancer that has spread to

> other parts of the body) prostate cancer as those getting 500 mg per

> day or less. And those taking in 2,000 mg or more had over four

> times the risk of developing metastatic prostate cancer as those

> taking in less than 500 mg.

>

> Later in 1998, Harvard researchers published a study of dairy

> product intake among 526 men diagnosed with prostate cancer and 536

> similar men not diagnosed with the disease. That study found a 50%

> increase in prostate cancer risk and a near doubling of risk of

> metastatic prostate cancer among men consuming high amounts of dairy

> products, likely due, say the researchers, to the high total amount

> of calcium in such a diet. The most recent Harvard study on the

> topic, published in October 2001, looked at dairy product intake

> among 20,885 men and found men consuming the most dairy products had

> about 32% higher risk of developing prostate cancer than those

> consuming the least.

>

> The adverse effects of excessive calcium intake may include high

> blood calcium levels, kidney stone formation and kidney

> complications. Elevated calcium levels are also associated with

> arthritic/joint and vascular degeneration, calcification of soft

> tissue, hypertension and stroke, and increase in VLDL triglycerides,

> gastrointestinal disturbances, mood and depressive disorders,

> chronic fatigue, and general mineral imbalances including magnesium,

> zinc, iron and phosphorus. High calcium levels interfere with

> Vitamin D and subsequently inhibit the vitamin's cancer protective

> effect unless extra amounts of Vitamin D are supplemented.

>

> Recommendations of magnesium to calcium ratios range from 1:2 to

> 1:1. For those interested in preventing cancer, one should look

> closely at the 1:1 camp and during the first six months of

> treatment, one should be looking at ten parts magnesium to one part

> calcium. In reality, one need not even count the ratio during the

> first months for the only real danger of extremely high magnesium

> levels comes with patients suffering from kidney failure.

>

> It is medical wisdom that tells us that magnesium is actually the

> key to the body's proper assimilation and use of calcium, as well as

> other important nutrients. If we consume too much calcium, without

> sufficient magnesium, the excess calcium is not utilized correctly

> and may actually become toxic, causing painful conditions in the

> body. Hypocalcemia is a prominent manifestation of magnesium

> deficiency in humans (Rude et al., 1976). Even mild degrees of

> magnesium depletion significantly decreases the serum calcium

> concentration (Fatemi et al., 1991).

>

> Calcium requirement for men and women is lower than previously

> estimated.

>

> This is an excerpt from Dr. Mark Sircus' excellent new book " Winning

> the War On Cancer " .

>

> Fully referenced article available at: (http://www.magnesiu

> mforlife. com/ <http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/>) .

>

> http://www.naturaln ews.com/023279. html

> <http://www.naturalnews.com/023279.html>

>

> Bruce

>

>

>

>

>

>

>