Re: Hashimoto's & Vitamin K

[Guest guest]

it should be K2 and not k

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Nuss <cuarrech@...> wrote:

 

I was reading this http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=913800#i And assuming that it's true, that excess free calcium (which also causes artery hardening ) is the, or one of the, catalysts to producing damaged thyroid tissue via excess H202 and so on when in the presence of iodine deficiency and possibly also goitrogens.. I understand this is the reason behind supplementing with magnesium in the protocol, because it is also involved in clearing calcium from the blood. I've also been reading Dr. Weston A. Price's (and related) research, which newer information (out now, even mainstream) indicates vitamin K is THE vitamin that has the most control over calcium in the blood. It pushes it into bones. Vitamin K is his " price factor " that he discovered that reversed and prevented the degeneration he was observing (skeletal, facial) in " modern " children of his time, when combined with A & D all in the form of whole food supplements. Indications are now, as I understand it, that vitamin K deficiency could be a significant factor behind artery calcification and heart disease etc. The calcium can't go into the bones, so it floats around and lodges in soft tissues... like arteries, and maybe, thyroids. If vitamin K is what the research says, that it assists in clearing calcium from the blood, and if excess blood calcium is a major factor in autoimmune thyroiditis. I'm thinking Hashimoto's disease could be a result of vitamin K deficiency and other factors, perhaps especially when combined with calcium supplements. Maybe women get Hashimoto's more often because women are often more health food minded (so they'd eat more brassicas and other goitrogenic veggies) (at least the ones I've known), and have been targeted as a group for calcium supplementation to avoid osteoporosis.

Just some thoughts.

[Guest guest]

I do take vitamin K2 because it's so important for health. Here's some

information about a couple things you mentioned:

Women have more thyroid problems because, according to the lecture Steph

recently posted by Dr Flechas, estrogen interferes with thyroid hormone

production. So in an age when estrogen mimickers in the environment are

causing estrogen overbalance in both women and men, women still get it more

but the numbers across the board are escalating. Estrogen is common

denominator among women.

Hashi's isn't the result of damaged thyroid tissue-- it's the result of an

autoimmune response in which the body perceives the thyroid tissue and its

own thyroid hormones as foreign substances and attacks it. That is, there's

nothing " wrong " with the thyroid which causes the body to attack it,

there's something wrong with the immune system that causes the body to

attack the thyroid. I believe that iodine deficiency is probably a root

cause of autoimmune problems because it is required for so many bodily

processes and the thyroid is the metabolic engine of the body-- mess with

that engine, and nothing else is going to run right either.

--

At 02:06 PM 10/16/2010, you wrote:

>I was reading this

><http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=913800#i>http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp\

?i=913800#i

>And assuming that it's true, that excess free calcium (which also causes

>artery hardening ) is the, or one of the, catalysts to producing damaged

>thyroid tissue via excess H202 and so on when in the presence of iodine

>deficiency and possibly also goitrogens.. I understand this is the reason

>behind supplementing with magnesium in the protocol, because it is also

>involved in clearing calcium from the blood. I've also been reading Dr.

>Weston A. Price's (and related) research, which newer information (out

>now, even mainstream) indicates vitamin K is THE vitamin that has the most

>control over calcium in the blood. It pushes it into bones. Vitamin K is

>his " price factor " that he discovered that reversed and prevented the

>degeneration he was observing (skeletal, facial) in " modern " children of

>his time, when combined with A & D all in the form of whole food

>supplements. Indications are now, as I understand it, that vitamin K

>deficiency could be a significant factor behind artery calcification and

>heart disease etc. The calcium can't go into the bones, so it floats

>around and lodges in soft tissues... like arteries, and maybe, thyroids.

>If vitamin K is what the research says, that it assists in clearing

>calcium from the blood, and if excess blood calcium is a major factor in

>autoimmune thyroiditis. I'm thinking Hashimoto's disease could be a result

>of vitamin K deficiency and other factors, perhaps especially when

>combined with calcium supplements. Maybe women get Hashimoto's more often

>because women are often more health food minded (so they'd eat more

>brassicas and other goitrogenic veggies) (at least the ones I've known),

>and have been targeted as a group for calcium supplementation to avoid

>osteoporosis.

>Just some thoughts.

>

>

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Health Benefits of Vitamin K2: A Revolutionary Natural Treatment for Heart Disease And Bone Loss

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

 

I do take vitamin K2 because it's so important for health. Here's some information about a couple things you mentioned:Women have more thyroid problems because, according to the lecture Steph

recently posted by Dr Flechas, estrogen interferes with thyroid hormone production. So in an age when estrogen mimickers in the environment are causing estrogen overbalance in both women and men, women still get it more

but the numbers across the board are escalating. Estrogen is common denominator among women.Hashi's isn't the result of damaged thyroid tissue-- it's the result of an autoimmune response in which the body perceives the thyroid tissue and its

own thyroid hormones as foreign substances and attacks it. That is, there's nothing " wrong " with the thyroid which causes the body to attack it, there's something wrong with the immune system that causes the body to

attack the thyroid. I believe that iodine deficiency is probably a root cause of autoimmune problems because it is required for so many bodily processes and the thyroid is the metabolic engine of the body-- mess with

that engine, and nothing else is going to run right either.-- At 02:06 PM 10/16/2010, you wrote:>I was reading this ><http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=913800#i>http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=913800#i

>And assuming that it's true, that excess free calcium (which also causes >artery hardening ) is the, or one of the, catalysts to producing damaged >thyroid tissue via excess H202 and so on when in the presence of iodine

>deficiency and possibly also goitrogens.. I understand this is the reason >behind supplementing with magnesium in the protocol, because it is also >involved in clearing calcium from the blood. I've also been reading Dr.

>Weston A. Price's (and related) research, which newer information (out >now, even mainstream) indicates vitamin K is THE vitamin that has the most >control over calcium in the blood. It pushes it into bones. Vitamin K is

>his " price factor " that he discovered that reversed and prevented the >degeneration he was observing (skeletal, facial) in " modern " children of >his time, when combined with A & D all in the form of whole food

>supplements. Indications are now, as I understand it, that vitamin K >deficiency could be a significant factor behind artery calcification and >heart disease etc. The calcium can't go into the bones, so it floats

>around and lodges in soft tissues... like arteries, and maybe, thyroids. >If vitamin K is what the research says, that it assists in clearing >calcium from the blood, and if excess blood calcium is a major factor in

>autoimmune thyroiditis. I'm thinking Hashimoto's disease could be a result >of vitamin K deficiency and other factors, perhaps especially when >combined with calcium supplements. Maybe women get Hashimoto's more often

>because women are often more health food minded (so they'd eat more >brassicas and other goitrogenic veggies) (at least the ones I've known), >and have been targeted as a group for calcium supplementation to avoid

>osteoporosis.>Just some thoughts.>>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Yes, of course it's k2, you're right. Menaquinone-4 to be more precise. ---The estrogen theory is interesting, thanks. I didn't see the lecture.As I understand it, one theory is that Hashi's, as an autoimmune disease, is a result of oxidative damage to thyroid tissue. As the white blood cells are drawn to the damage by chemical signals from the (altered) cells, they begin to recognize those tissues as foreign. That's one theory anyway.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 1:34 AM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 it should be K2 and not kOn Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

 

I do take vitamin K2 because it's so important for health. Here's some

information about a couple things you mentioned:

Women have more thyroid problems because, according to the lecture Steph

recently posted by Dr Flechas, estrogen interferes with thyroid hormone

production. So in an age when estrogen mimickers in the environment are

causing estrogen overbalance in both women and men, women still get it more

but the numbers across the board are escalating. Estrogen is common

denominator among women.

Hashi's isn't the result of damaged thyroid tissue-- it's the result of an

autoimmune response in which the body perceives the thyroid tissue and its

own thyroid hormones as foreign substances and attacks it. That is, there's

nothing " wrong " with the thyroid which causes the body to attack it,

there's something wrong with the immune system that causes the body to

attack the thyroid. I believe that iodine deficiency is probably a root

cause of autoimmune problems because it is required for so many bodily

processes and the thyroid is the metabolic engine of the body-- mess with

that engine, and nothing else is going to run right either.

--

[Guest guest]

probably all auto-immune begin with leaky gut.therefore there is strong connection of gluten and hashimoto.

One Cause, Many Ailments: Leaky Gut Syndrome: What It Is and How It May Be Affecting Your Health

 

out personal experience ,one of the best way to get auto-immune undercontrol is to try to stop the leaky gut,not to eat the proteins that can go through the leaky gut and low dose naltrexone which modulate the immune system..works also for hashimoto.

 

here in the netherlands ,when you eat gluten free ,you have to take iodine ,because the calculation ,is that you get the iodine via the bread

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Nuss <cuarrech@...> wrote:

 

Yes, of course it's k2, you're right. Menaquinone-4 to be more precise.  ---

The estrogen theory is interesting, thanks. I didn't see the lecture.

As I understand it, one theory is that Hashi's, as an autoimmune disease, is a result of oxidative damage to thyroid tissue. As the white blood cells are drawn to the damage by chemical signals from the (altered) cells, they begin to recognize those tissues as foreign. That's one theory anyway.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 1:34 AM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 

it should be K2 and not k

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Baker <vbaker@...> wrote:

 

I do take vitamin K2 because it's so important for health. Here's some information about a couple things you mentioned:Women have more thyroid problems because, according to the lecture Steph

recently posted by Dr Flechas, estrogen interferes with thyroid hormone production. So in an age when estrogen mimickers in the environment are causing estrogen overbalance in both women and men, women still get it more

but the numbers across the board are escalating. Estrogen is common denominator among women.Hashi's isn't the result of damaged thyroid tissue-- it's the result of an autoimmune response in which the body perceives the thyroid tissue and its

own thyroid hormones as foreign substances and attacks it. That is, there's nothing " wrong " with the thyroid which causes the body to attack it, there's something wrong with the immune system that causes the body to

attack the thyroid. I believe that iodine deficiency is probably a root cause of autoimmune problems because it is required for so many bodily processes and the thyroid is the metabolic engine of the body-- mess with

that engine, and nothing else is going to run right either.--

[Guest guest]

I'm going to post my reply in the iodine OT group. See you there. :)On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:31 AM, ido zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

 

probably all auto-immune begin with leaky gut.therefore there is strong connection of gluten and hashimoto.

[Guest guest]

But the question is, why is there oxidative damage to the thyroid? At

base, it is lack of protective iodine.

It can't be a behavioral reason, like dietary differences, because the

difference between male/female bodies and thyroid problems is worldwide.

--V

>Yes, of course it's k2, you're right. Menaquinone-4 to be more precise.

>---

>The estrogen theory is interesting, thanks. I didn't see the lecture.

>As I understand it, one theory is that Hashi's, as an autoimmune disease,

>is a result of oxidative damage to thyroid tissue. As the white blood

>cells are drawn to the damage by chemical signals from the (altered)

>cells, they begin to recognize those tissues as foreign. That's one theory

>anyway.

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>On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 1:34 AM, ido zahavi

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>it should be K2 and not k

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste