Re: bromine in bread

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Mike .

"A poster as asked the question (paraphrased ), is there an infinite amount of bromine in the body? I've just been asking the same question. I want a quantitative number answer, and see no reason why worst case numbers cannot be found."

to establish actual figures for toxins inside us is an expensive business.

you would have to do a before and after. and monitor everything you put

in your mouth,

The number for bromine will differ from person to person depending on exposure.

No one actually knows the amount they have inside unless they get a test.

Also tests are not very reliable in some cases. The meanings a doctor

may attach to them may or may not be correct!!

What do they know about the body? A great deal less than they are

prepared to admit.

There are no tests for many chemicals and combinations of chemicals

which are unidentifiable, in the water table.

Life is complicated. The amount that is known for sure small and made

worse by the fact that many are only in the health/sickness business

for the money.

So for you if you want to find out it would require money and tests.

To get better there are many proocols that have helped people heal.

They need implementing to find the value in them as many here have

found out.

Good luck,

david

From: mmurra777 <mmurra777@...>Subject: Re: bromine in breadiodine Date: Sunday, 21 February, 2010, 21:06

You appear to have mis-read my post.It addressed only the bromide issue because I had a statement of the amount of bromine found to be excreted before and after iodine supplementation.If you re-read my post you should realize that I took an impossible worst case consumption of baked goods scenario. In addition to using a total in all baked goods assumption (used the replaced iodine number; bromine having a sp. mass less than I may even be a lower number than the one I used), and I assumed the impossible case that 100% of the bromide potentially consumed was never excreted.I have been getting on these lists the same defensive postures that I received from the senior medical specialists I was obliged (to placate those close) to see two years ago (Valentine's Day '08) when I informed them that their case for their option of thyroid removal, liver resection (20 to 33% removed), RIA, and possible external radiotherapy was

completely void of factual information as to even medium term results. Senior oncologist response was that the cancer will kill me, I will probably chock to death (thyroid swelling), if I do not do as I have been told.I have stage IV thyroid met to liver, and (found independently four months later) Waldenstrom macroglobulinemia, a rare incipient NHL (not the hockey league). Current condition; liver mets slowly growing, general health presentation unchanged good. Why?A poster as asked the question (paraphrased ), is there an infinite amount of bromine in the body? I've just been asking the same question. I want a quantitative number answer, and see no reason why worst case numbers cannot be found.MikeM> > For what it's worth,> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Potassium_ bromate > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Potassium_ bromate>> MikeM>

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It isn't as simple as you make it sound. How do you measure what is coming off of the car? There are many different options that can be added (electronics, fabrics, etc) that would change the amount. It's not that we wouldn't like to know it is just that there is NO WAY to measure it. The only way to get things labeled is to have the government take it seriously that it is an issue - that comes down to money. Who pays whom for what.

There are no regulations of using bromide in flours / breads / foods. It's accepted as safe.

Where would you suggest we look for this information?

Re: bromine in bread

I hear the sound of silence in this and the posts that have followed.My point is that nobody here has shown the slightest interest in knowing the truth. I am fully aware, qualitatively, of the toxic environment we have, and continue to, produced.Now I am asking (challenging) a group of those who believe that they have been harmed by the environment that they greedily embraced to start seeking the facts.Why should be difficult to estimate what is entering a body?Example; one buys a new car.That car has x kg of plastic A, y Kg of B, etc..Each of those has a know amount of chemical/metal a, b, c, etc.Off gassing studies have been done, find them.Why are people not demanding that a car (tv, dvd, etc.) come with a label like a loaf of bread.Instead all I am seeing is copy paste noise.How do you measure?Using flour as an example. What are your country's, and state's, regulations on food treatments and additives? If voluntary compliance is the policy, what is the practice of your supplier? Start lists, and publish them.Next; let us assume that one is knowingly consuming brominated bread and has calculated the amount of bromide in a loaf. What amount (percentage) of a loaf is consumed daily? That is very easy to determine and calculate as I showed for the general case in my previous post.Regarding flame retardants; one could start with the total amount of retardant produced annually, determine the percentage of that you consume (new car every ..., cell phone, cloths, etc.). Next, determine the amount of bromide in the retardant you are being exposed to. Take a percentage of that as the amount of bromine ingested per annum.Follow the same procedure for other chemicals.MikeMP.S. As you have brought it up, I am interested in reading the original account, please provide reference to the source of Brownstein's new car story.> > >> >> > As I have said, I issued a challenge.> > I've given some numbers.> > I expect an equal contribution from others.> > I expect even the most ill-informed members of this group have repeatedly> > previously read the hearsay you chose to again waste space repeating.> >> > My challenge to you Bruce.> > How much bromine have you ingested in the last 365 days?> > Breakout intake amounts by source.> > Show your sources of information.> >> > To anyone on the Celtic salt intake, how much bromine do you ingest in 365> > days?> >> > MikeM> >> >> >>

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Mike,

Your question indicates a lack of knowledge.

No one can tell you how long your body will take to heal?

How long did it take to get sick?

How did it happen.?

.

From: mmurra777 <mmurra777@...>Subject: Re: bromine in breadiodine Date: Sunday, 21 February, 2010, 21:53

I totally agree with you re lifestyle. I leave the buggies to the local old order mennonites, my car was 26 months old when I purchased it nine years ago. I rarely use it for any trip that is shorter than a 40 minute walk. To your very important question.Why? Knowledge is power.If I am doing a drug (taking iodine and salt to 'detox' constitutes a drug type usage)protocol to remove toxins I want to know when I should expect to complete that protocol, and if not why not.In our little case of bromine we are assuming that excretion amounts can be easily measured. I am asking how much bromine is in me, how much is being added each day, am I excreting more than my daily consumption, and given that information how long will it take to get that one toxin out.Having done so, will I not then be over-medicating? We now accept that the mis-use and over use of antibiotics is now creating a super-bug potential nightmare, why should we

continue blissfully down the same road.MikeM P.S. Brominated flour has been banned here in Canada for many years.None the less, it would not surprise me to discovery that many Canadian list members assume brominated baked goods to be a significant contributor to their problems. If they could just get that bromine out of their system they could continue to consume their favourite refined flour, high sugar, paragraph long list of preservatives (I barely know what most of the list is for, and I have studied biochemistry) goodies.>> You ask for seeking of facts, generating numbers. Why is that important > to you? I don't understand why I need to try to figure out how much >

poison I'm getting. Why waste time on figuring that out and instead > concentrate on eliminating the poison from my home and life instead?> > Why would anyone be knowingly eating bread with bromine in it? I no > longer buy baked goods unless it's organic. We make our own food from > scratch as much as possible.

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With your diagnosis you need to be concerned with more than just bromide. You need to be detoxing your entire body of everything you can find to get out. Have you done environmental toxin testing? Have you done the Iodine loading test with halide levels (there is fluoride, bromide, and mercury available). Do you have mercury amalgam fillings? Do you have root canal teeth?

The problem of thyroid cancer with mets to the liver is so much bigger than bromide and if I were in your shoes (having been in a similar state with 3 RAI's that failed under my belt for thyroid cancer and markers rising). I have detoxed and detoxed and detoxed, remove amalgams, root canal teeth and chelated, eat organic, bake my own breads, the list is endless as to the amount of things I have done to heal. But I have and I didn't zoom in on one thing. I cleaned my body and balanced the nutrients and hormones and life came into line. Have you investigated Gerson therapies? They are very sucessful with liver cancer.

Re: bromine in bread

A poster as asked the question (paraphrased ), is there an infinite amount of bromine in the body? I've just been asking the same question. I want a quantitative number answer, and see no reason why worst case numbers cannot be found.MikeM

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Mike -

I am afraid you are going to be disappointed. What you are seeking is not obtainable. There are too many variables that cannot be measured. You cannot micromanage your healing. The body is in control of that - you need to give it the tools to do so.

Re: bromine in bread

I totally agree with you re lifestyle. I leave the buggies to the local old order mennonites, my car was 26 months old when I purchased it nine years ago. I rarely use it for any trip that is shorter than a 40 minute walk. To your very important question.Why? Knowledge is power.If I am doing a drug (taking iodine and salt to 'detox' constitutes a drug type usage)protocol to remove toxins I want to know when I should expect to complete that protocol, and if not why not.In our little case of bromine we are assuming that excretion amounts can be easily measured. I am asking how much bromine is in me, how much is being added each day, am I excreting more than my daily consumption, and given that information how long will it take to get that one toxin out.Having done so, will I not then be over-medicating? We now accept that the mis-use and over use of antibiotics is now creating a super-bug potential nightmare, why should we continue blissfully down the same road.MikeM P.S. Brominated flour has been banned here in Canada for many years.None the less, it would not surprise me to discovery that many Canadian list members assume brominated baked goods to be a significant contributor to their problems. If they could just get that bromine out of their system they could continue to consume their favourite refined flour, high sugar, paragraph long list of preservatives (I barely know what most of the list is for, and I have studied biochemistry) goodies.>> You ask for seeking of facts, generating numbers. Why is that important > to you? I don't understand why I need to try to figure out how much > poison I'm getting. Why waste time on figuring that out and instead > concentrate on eliminating the poison from my home and life instead?> > Why would anyone be knowingly eating bread with bromine in it? I no > longer buy baked goods unless it's organic. We make our own food from > scratch as much as possible.

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>> How does one know if bromine is added? Is it in the ingredients? My > mom looked at her bread package and said it didn't have but I'm > questioning that.>> Thanks,> Joan>> >

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It would have made my journey so much easier if it were. Especially as I try to maintain the health of my children. I have had to just give my body the tools and trust that it knows what to do with it.

I am a control freak so it is hard to do that sometimes. I could be a lab tests junkie.

Steph

Re: bromine in bread

For what it's worth,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_bromateAlso, some crude numbers;Assume the same amount of bromine from bread as iodine, 726 ug (0.726 mg) ingested per dayconsumed over a 30 year (1980 to 2010) periodgives a total consumption of bromine as 7,950 mg (.726 *365*30)Given a daily urinary excretion on using Lugol's of 66 mg/Lassume only 1 liter of urine excreted per dayover 2 yearstotal bromine excreted is 48,180 mgPlease correct me if I am wrong, or unreasonable in my worst case scenario estimates. If 's lab work is valid (66 mg/l), then in two years, 6 times as much bromine will have been excreted in urine alone as may have been consumed (and assumed to have retained all) from baked goods in 30 years.To further add to this;we have been quoted a baseline urine excretion of 24 mg/l,again assuming 1 liter urine excretion per day,in only 10 years that gives 87,600 mg excreted.That is 11 times (87,600/7,950)the total intake, over a 30 year period, from baked goods. Am I the only one on these lists seeking fact, not hearsay and out right untruths. MikeMP.S. I have issued a challenge on the OT sight to all to assist me in determine what are reasonable assumptions about total intake and total body of of toxins. I have yet to receive a response.>> How does one know if bromine is added? Is it in the ingredients? My mom looked at her bread package and said it didn't have but I'm questioning that.> > Thanks,> Joan>

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A friends father had cancer and she passed this site on to me.I found it interesting.

A Theory of Cancer

http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Theory/CancerTheory.html

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:28:03 -0500Subject: Re: Re: bromine in bread

With your diagnosis you need to be concerned with more than just bromide. You need to be detoxing your entire body of everything you can find to get out. Have you done environmental toxin testing? Have you done the Iodine loading test with halide levels (there is fluoride, bromide, and mercury available). Do you have mercury amalgam fillings? Do you have root canal teeth?

The problem of thyroid cancer with mets to the liver is so much bigger than bromide and if I were in your shoes (having been in a similar state with 3 RAI's that failed under my belt for thyroid cancer and markers rising). I have detoxed and detoxed and detoxed, remove amalgams, root canal teeth and chelated, eat organic, bake my own breads, the list is endless as to the amount of things I have done to heal. But I have and I didn't zoom in on one thing. I cleaned my body and balanced the nutrients and hormones and life came into line. Have you investigated Gerson therapies? They are very sucessful with liver cancer.

Re: bromine in bread

A poster as asked the question (paraphrased ), is there an infinite amount of bromine in the body? I've just been asking the same question. I want a quantitative number answer, and see no reason why worst case numbers cannot be found.MikeM

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I have observed that when people get defensive a nerve have been touched.

I assume nothing; that I would not be surprised at ignorant assumptions based on

incomplete and hearsay postings is an entirely different matter.

I have been over the last day presented with what I would describe as sound bite

fluff, the 60 second health entertainment segment or local rag health column

(weekly pulled off the wire). I sense that each writer believes that they are

enlightening we with information that I there to for did not possess.

Regarding my statements regarding the use of iodine as a drug.

Please re-read what I has written.

As an extension of my use of the word in the context applied;

if I apply neosporin (antibiotic) to a wound, is that not the application of a

drug;

same wound, but instead I apply tincture of iodine as my grandmother would have

done;

is that too not a drug (iodine and methyl or ethyl alcohol).

Iodine, symbol I, is an element as we all know.

I, like some of this group, consume it in the form of a solution (ionic form) of

of I2, metallic iodine, and KI, potassium iodide, a salt of the halide iodine.

Between Oct '08 and Aug '09 (end of 100 ml bottle) 50 mg of a standard 5%

Lugol's. Since then I've been ingesting, I guess (brain fog and laziness) 25

mg, a 0.1 N solution that I obtained (a near liter) as part of a Health Canada

Food Protection Agency (Scarborough lab) Crown Assets purchase of the contents

of a lab (HPLC unit, ancillary equipment, glassware, and a few

reagents/solvents). My apologies to non Canadian readers; Crown Assets is the

Canadian government responsible for the orderly liquidation for surplus

government assets. US government food and drug administration food safety

branch is approximately the equivalently to the Health Canada Food Protection

Agency.

I am consuming this iodine solution to study its effects on my malfunctioning

thyroid. Others are taking it in amounts observed to correct, by displacement,

imbalances in 'toxic' halides. These are therapeutic (i.e. drug) applications.

When I obtain my iodine from natural sources (fish, dulse, etc.), KI treated

table salt, or supplementation to normal health required levels (what ever those

may be) in the normal course of a healthy diet then I am consuming an element

necessary for my health and survival.

I would thank you for the URL references were it not that I have, many months

past already, read the content there in.

MikeM

>

> " P.S. Brominated flour has been banned here in Canada for many years.

> None the less, it would not surprise me to discovery that many Canadian list

members assume brominated baked goods to be a significant contributor to their

problems. If they could just get that bromine out of their system they could

continue to consume their favourite refined flour, high sugar, paragraph long

list of preservatives (I barely know what most of the list is for, and I have

studied biochemistry) goodies. "

>

> As a Canadian I can answer in part. First, I assume nothing of the kind. I am

aware it is not used in baked goods here.

> Secondly, I purchase little food in stores, as little as possible including

meat. No bread products whatsoever. No pasta almost.

> What's sugar? I use very little and basically no boxed/processed " food " \

>

> Thirdly, iodine is not a drug. It is an element that is essential to health

that has been depleted from our soil through a number of processes.

> then it's also a natural medicine to detox the halides industry has added to

our food, soil, and water. Higher amounts aid immunty and a number of other

things in our system.

>

> I see you have not studied it. Please do so;

> http://www.iodine4health.com/index.htm

> See left menu, there is an enormous amount here.

>

> http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

> See the 24 documents there.

>

> When done all these two sites I can answer questions

>

> Bruce

>

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Mike,

have you tried ph strips.

An inexpensive way of testing saliva and urine as a guide to altering you diet to achieve a more alkaline condition.

In Dr Brownsteins book on salt he gives a very interesting example of a woman with many

health challenges which vanished witht the improvemnet of ph levels.

She used the strips to guide her. many people could beefit from this simple inexpensive

method.

He makes the point that if you take a teaspoon of ordinary salt and put in a half glass of water the water becomes more acidic.

Conversely when you do the same using celtic seasalt with all its minerals the ph levels move sharply in the alkaline direction.

From: mmurra777 <mmurra777@...>Subject: Re: bromine in breadiodine Date: Sunday, 21 February, 2010, 23:11

I have not been asking for exact figures, just worst case scenarios.Why should I do anything without question and thought.Focusing on a solution without specifying the problem was a guaranteed method for the receipt a failing grade when I was in school, and continuing failures on the job and in life.List members are having excretion tests done, some on a regular basis.I am saying put the information to use.As observed about the bromine mine.Can one trust the tests?I have 'severe chronic kidney disease'. That is, based solely on blood creatinine levels. That finding is what led to the discoveries of the cancers that I actually do have. Long story, not so long; companion drags me to her doctor, in July '07, because of minor ongoing mid -back pain in the area of where we thought kidney is. Doctor runs blood work - creatinine through the roof (295 ref: 60 - 110 umol/L). To verify, has me repeat blood work - result is

normal level. Arranges for specialist and has me do a 'tie breaker' (less than a month has passed) - creatinine again through the roof. Months pass, specialist runs full battery, urinary system in excellent condition, other things found in passing not so good, including two lesions on liver. Time goes by, about 14 months after last previous visit to her/my doctor (his practice is a two hr drive from my place, he was just one of her many, I avoid doctors like the plague) I visit to get some tests (I'm a test junkie) that I cannot wrangle from the hematologist (see other posts), he includes the creatinine. It comes back again through the roof. Here's the kicker. I inform the Dr. during our visit that I am scheduled for routine tracking blood work at the cancer centre within the week. He tells me to take his req. to the clinic and have them add his tests to their work. They politely refuse (a funding thing) as I knew they would. Took his req to a local

private lab (national organization) , had that blood draw less than three hours after the cancer centre draw. Creatinine is always included on my quarterly centre blood work.Next visit to Dr. (to pick up special order of fish oil (waste of money for me), he means well, has very best prices (must be at or near cost) on the supps he stocks, and is very open minded to alternative treatments, he's and M.D.) a few weeks later. His first words; "We have to get you into a hospital now". His lab report - creatinine through the roof. I had no symptoms, even the back discomfort has disappeared months ago. Plus, I had received no calls from the clinic about the result of their blood work. Emergency call from Dr. to hematologist back home. More blood work same day here at my home town cancer clinic (hemo and oncology work together at clinic). Creatinine normal. Other lab anomalies have occurred.Bottom line. If you do not know what is in you how can

you believe anything about what you are being told about what is being excreted out of you.MikeMP.S. My apologies to all for the long winded posts and my disturbing the status quo.>> sorry, that sounded rude.> I don't think anyone can give an exact figure.> All we can do is avoid the halogens and use iodine to detox it.> If needed you can have urine tests done to see amount excreted over time> > Bruce> > Re: Re: bromine in bread> > > > I want? Send me 10,000.00 and I'll do the tests/measurements.> Or for free I'll guess -- .> > Bruce> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mmurra777> > A poster as asked the question (paraphrased ), is there an infinite amount > of bromine in the body? I've just been asking the same question. I want a > quantitative number answer, and see no reason why worst case numbers cannot > be found.> > MikeM>

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Mike, for most of us illness is a cumulative

effect of damage done by these " toxins " depending

on genetics and individual metabolisms. There may

not have to be that much present, but the presence

of even small amounts of the chemicals cause the

damage they have done over time. Drugs in

prescriptions are not taken in large doses yet

they have quite a large effect. The level of

toxins that will make me ill with cancer,

fibromyalgia, or whatever may not be the same

level that will make someone else ill.

But in most cases the body has struggled with the

load of multiple toxins for years. There is no

overnight cure. Sure you can begin to FEEL better

fairly soon but the the body takes much longer to

heal, and that varies with the individual.

Patience is required. No one got this way

overnight and the recovery isn't going to be fast.

It takes lifestyle changes and choices to get better.

Demanding that people give you a " firm number " of

how much is in everything is a defense mechanism.

It is not productive. That is concentrating on

everything but the solution to the problem.

Excretion tests show that they are in the body

where they shouldn't be. And unfortunately bromide

is just one of several hundred toxic substances

that can be found in our bodies.

It's not so much how much is in everything but how

much we can get rid of. That is what causes

illness the body's elimination pathways become

overwhelmed, the toxins build up in tissues and

organs, and the exposure to these substances

causes more and more damage until serious illness

occurs.

I truthfully don't care how much is in the off

gassing from a new car, it's enough for me to know

that it's there, and avoid it, or help the body

get rid of it. The same with bromides in flour, I

don't care, it doesn't belong in the body in any

amount, so I don't buy breads that contain

bromides, simple. I filter my water so I don't get

more fluoride and chlorine and other water born

chemicals. I do everything that I am able to do to

reduce the chemicals in my environment to reduce

the load and increase excretion. That's all we can

do.

It would take very expensive equipment to measure

the off gassing of bromine and formaldehyde in a

new car, and or a home. I don't know about you but

I don't have that kind of money.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

mmurra777 wrote

> I have not been asking for exact figures, just worst case scenarios.

> Why should I do anything without question and thought.

> Focusing on a solution without specifying the problem was a guaranteed

> method for the receipt a failing grade when I was in school, and

> continuing failures on the job and in life.

>

> List members are having excretion tests done, some on a regular basis.

> I am saying put the information to use.

> As observed about the bromine mine.

> Can one trust the tests?

> I have 'severe chronic kidney disease'. That is, based solely on blood

> creatinine levels. That finding is what led to the discoveries of the

> cancers that I actually do have. Long story, not so long; companion

> drags me to her doctor, in July '07, because of minor ongoing mid -back

> pain in the area of where we thought kidney is. Doctor runs blood work -

> creatinine through the roof (295 ref: 60 - 110 umol/L). To verify, has

> me repeat blood work - result is normal level. Arranges for specialist

> and has me do a 'tie breaker' (less than a month has passed) -

> creatinine again through the roof. Months pass, specialist runs full

> battery, urinary system in excellent condition, other things found in

> passing not so good, including two lesions on liver. Time goes by, about

> 14 months after last previous visit to her/my doctor (his practice is a

> two hr drive from my place, he was just one of her many, I avoid doctors

> like the plague) I visit to get some tests (I'm a test junkie) that I

> cannot wrangle from the hematologist (see other posts), he includes the

> creatinine. It comes back again through the roof. Here's the kicker. I

> inform the Dr. during our visit that I am scheduled for routine tracking

> blood work at the cancer centre within the week. He tells me to take his

> req. to the clinic and have them add his tests to their work. They

> politely refuse (a funding thing) as I knew they would. Took his req to

> a local private lab (national organization) , had that blood draw less

> than three hours after the cancer centre draw. Creatinine is always

> included on my quarterly centre blood work.

>

> Next visit to Dr. (to pick up special order of fish oil (waste of money

> for me), he means well, has very best prices (must be at or near cost)

> on the supps he stocks, and is very open minded to alternative

> treatments, he's and M.D.) a few weeks later. His first words; " We have

> to get you into a hospital now " . His lab report - creatinine through the

> roof. I had no symptoms, even the back discomfort has disappeared months

> ago. Plus, I had received no calls from the clinic about the result of

> their blood work. Emergency call from Dr. to hematologist back home.

> More blood work same day here at my home town cancer clinic (hemo and

> oncology work together at clinic). Creatinine normal. Other lab

> anomalies have occurred.

>

> Bottom line. If you do not know what is in you how can you believe

> anything about what you are being told about what is being excreted out

> of you.

>

> MikeM

>

> P.S. My apologies to all for the long winded posts and my disturbing the

> status quo.

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And you are a legend in your own mind, not wasting my time with you

b

----- Original Message -----

From: mmurra777 I have been over the last day presented with what I would describe as sound bite fluff, the 60 second health entertainment segment or local rag health column (weekly pulled off the wire). I sense that each writer believes that they are enlightening we with information that I there to for did not possess.

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I will respond to a few more.

> Your question indicates a lack of knowledge.

On what informed grounds, and training, do you base the above statement?

> No one can tell you how long your body will take to heal?

Where did I ever address anything about healing?

I have been addressing only the specification of an input-output model. The

simple assessment of a 'toxin' being measured as eradicated from the body in no

way is to be construed as a guaranteed or a certification of new found health.

> How long did it take to get sick?

I have addressed my thoughts on this in others posts and on other sites over the

last two years. Using a Colin comment/description; the cancer may have

been initiated by a failed radiotherapy treatment of a deadly NHL

(lymphosarcoma, another story, and absolutely no sign of it today according to

my case chief oncologist, " cured " to used his words, unbelievable) in July 1955;

activated who knows when, detected when I was under extreme stress over the

impending breakup of a dream.

> How did it happen.?

I was told by both the radiation (case team lead) and the medical (med speak for

chemo) oncologists, neither having knowledge of the other's speaking, that it is

statistically almost certain that the thyroid is a direct result of the

radiotherapy. Only surprise is that I has not been diagnosed in my late

twenties to mid thirties, not at age 58.

MikeM

> >

> > You ask for seeking of facts, generating numbers. Why is that important

> > to you? I don't understand why I need to try to figure out how much

> > poison I'm getting. Why waste time on figuring that out and instead

> > concentrate on eliminating the poison from my home and life instead?

> >

> > Why would anyone be knowingly eating bread with bromine in it? I no

> > longer buy baked goods unless it's organic. We make our own food from

> > scratch as much as possible.

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

Your logic is faulty.

> >

> > How does one know if bromine is added? Is it in the ingredients? My mom

looked at her bread package and said it didn't have but I'm questioning that.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Joan

> >

>

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After being on a couple of these lists, I'm so overwhelmed to find out that

apparently almost nothing that you can buy at an ordinary supermarket is

healthy. I was a huge consumer of Mountain Dew (diet) for the past 20 years, and

I also ate a lot of store bought bread. For years, I went out of my way to drink

green tea everyday for the antioxidants, but then I found out about the fluoride

content. It's so disturbing to find out that I have been unknowingly poisoning

myself for so many years. And then there are the toxins from other items that I

even can't really control (cars, computer, phones)...It's very upsetting.

[Guest guest]

It is frustrating and can seem like "why bother" but you can't give up. Just do the best you can. We eat as much organic as we can, drink raw milk from an organic farm, and I bake from scratch (we are gluten free). We put in a full house water filtration system in to keep the toxins out. That is the best we can do.

But I often think - if I knew what I know now......

Re: bromine in bread

After being on a couple of these lists, I'm so overwhelmed to find out that apparently almost nothing that you can buy at an ordinary supermarket is healthy. I was a huge consumer of Mountain Dew (diet) for the past 20 years, and I also ate a lot of store bought bread. For years, I went out of my way to drink green tea everyday for the antioxidants, but then I found out about the fluoride content. It's so disturbing to find out that I have been unknowingly poisoning myself for so many years. And then there are the toxins from other items that I even can't really control (cars, computer, phones)...It's very upsetting.

[Guest guest]

That is exactly how I feel...Why bother...

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But you can't give up. It is worth the effort. I am feeling better than I every have in my life.

Steph

Re: bromine in bread

That is exactly how I feel...Why bother...

[Guest guest]

Me too! even despite everything, I am better now in my early 50s than

decades ago. --

>But you can't give up. It is worth the effort. I am feeling better than

>I every have in my life.

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>Steph

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>That is exactly how I feel...Why bother...

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[Guest guest]

Mike,

Just one

Your answer indicates a lack of knowledge.

Why. because the number of variables is likely endless.

It is very much trial and error.

Input output. leaves out whats already in. like say mercury

fillings and their effect on say digestion.

Or the type and quantity of the food you eat and the time.

Or the effect your stressing about your problem has on the

problem.

Or the state of your organs at present.

or the water you drink...it might have flouride in for example.

or whther you sleep well or not.

I could go on and on ...?

good luck

david

From: mmurra777 <mmurra777@...>Subject: Re: bromine in breadiodine Date: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 1:06

I will respond to a few more.> Your question indicates a lack of knowledge.On what informed grounds, and training, do you base the above statement?> No one can tell you how long your body will take to heal?Where did I ever address anything about healing?I have been addressing only the specification of an input-output model. The simple assessment of a 'toxin' being measured as eradicated from the body in no way is to be construed as a guaranteed or a certification of new found health.> How long did it take to get sick?I have addressed my thoughts on this in others posts and on other sites over the last two years. Using a Colin comment/description ; the cancer may have been initiated by a failed radiotherapy treatment of a deadly NHL (lymphosarcoma, another story, and absolutely no sign of it today according to my case chief oncologist, "cured" to used his words, unbelievable) in July 1955;

activated who knows when, detected when I was under extreme stress over the impending breakup of a dream.> How did it happen.?I was told by both the radiation (case team lead) and the medical (med speak for chemo) oncologists, neither having knowledge of the other's speaking, that it is statistically almost certain that the thyroid is a direct result of the radiotherapy. Only surprise is that I has not been diagnosed in my late twenties to mid thirties, not at age 58.MikeM> >> > You ask for seeking of facts, generating numbers. Why is that important > > to you? I don't understand why I need to try to figure out how much > > poison I'm getting. Why waste time on figuring that out and instead > > concentrate on eliminating the poison from my home and life instead?> > > > Why would anyone be knowingly eating bread with bromine in it? I no > > longer buy baked goods unless it's organic. We make our own food from > > scratch as much as possible.>

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me too and it only gets better and more wondrous.

From: Baker <vbaker@...>Subject: Re: Re: bromine in breadiodine Date: Monday, 22 February, 2010, 4:39

Me too! even despite everything, I am better now in my early 50s than decades ago. -->But you can't give up. It is worth the effort. I am feeling better than >I every have in my life. >>Steph>>> Re: bromine

in bread>>>>That is exactly how I feel...Why bother...>>>>>>No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com>Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2702 - Release Date: 02/21/10 >13:34:00>~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~--A.J. Muste

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we have to " bother " b/c the alternatives are worse.

gracia

lookonthebriteside wrote:

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It's not just about shortening your life if you do nothing -- it is

about losing your life to illness & disability long before you

actually die. There are people who live in nursing homes for 20 years

before they check out, with progressive debilitating illnesses that

ultimately rob them of every human pleasure. That's why I bother. I

don't care how long I live, but I am working so that I will live

fully till I die.

Anne

On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Gracia wrote:

> we have to " bother " b/c the alternatives are worse.

> gracia

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> lookonthebriteside wrote:

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yes its a quality issue.

>>>> That is exactly how I feel...Why bother...>>>>>>>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>> All off topic posts should go to the IodineOT group http:// > health.groups. / group/IodineOT/>>> Commonly asked

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You've said this so well, Anne. hear hear! --

At 01:03 PM 2/22/2010, you wrote:

>It's not just about shortening your life if you do nothing -- it is

>about losing your life to illness & disability long before you

>actually die. There are people who live in nursing homes for 20 years

>before they check out, with progressive debilitating illnesses that

>ultimately rob them of every human pleasure. That's why I bother. I

>don't care how long I live, but I am working so that I will live

>fully till I die.

>

>Anne

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>On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Gracia wrote:

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> > we have to " bother " b/c the alternatives are worse.

> > gracia

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> > lookonthebriteside wrote:

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> >> That is exactly how I feel...Why bother...

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste