Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type diets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 I read about that doctor a while back, he said he ate lots of baked goods that were fat free. So, the guy was a Chocolate Donut-arian and blamed his ill health on not eating meat and dairy. I remember reading his blog about how bad he did on a " vegan " diet and thought " I'd like to feed him from my kitchen for a week, so he knew what whole foods were. " No one is healthy eating cookies and cake and muffins and not eating lots of whole plant foods. I've eaten mostly " vegan " for the past 6 years and my health has improved greatly, used to take Prevacid and lived on Maalox and Tums. When I gave up meat and dairy and extra fats, I suddenly felt so much better and couldn't figure out why, until I realized one day that I had not had heartburn in a long time. I occasionally have a taste of something like venison, turkey, fish, etc., and occasionally a taste of cheese, I guess it would be about once a month that I have an ounce or two of some animal protein. I occasionally use soy but avoid it as much as possible other than Bragg's. I eat mostly whole foods and gluten free. I do supplement with B12 and of course now all the Iodoral and companion supplements. Two years ago when I was first diagnosed hypothyroid, my new doctor who treated me with dessicated thyroid (after another doc put me on Synthroid - long story) told me to eat chicken and fish, organic if possible, and season my food liberally with olive oil. I did what he said, and started feeling worse. Then I tried eliminating the protein and just using " good fats " - still not good. Now I'm back to my potatoes, beans, rice, greens, and fruit and I feel just great. ladybugsandbees wrote: > > Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to > eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron > that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used > to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I > think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great > on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to > body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type > diets. > Steph > > * Iodine and lymphoma > > I have a friend--39 years old, yoga master, vegan, gluten-free, no > sugar, no dairy (I think she eats yogurt), no alcohol--who just > had her final R-CHOP chemo treatment for non-Hodgkins lymphoma. > (She went in to chemo immediately, although the second pathology > opinion contradicted the first, and the tie-breaker contradicted > both of them--she has EITHER grade 1, grade 2, or grade 3A > non-Hodgkins, large cell--and it's either aggressive or indolent, > they don't agree on that either!!) > > She eats tons of soy, and I'd really like to try to get her on the > iodine protocol. She is very thin, but has always complained of > being cold all the time, very cold hands and feet, always tired > despite " eating right " and exercising etc. etc. But of course her > TSH is " normal. " > > She had a lot of problems with chemo and has begun to lose her > complete trust in conventional medicine, and certainly the > prescription drug industry. My thought was to make up an " iodine > kit " that contains all the things she'd need to get on the > protocol--the iodine itself, selenium, magnesium, C, celtic salt, > and instructions for what to do. Whether she does it or not I > can't control, but it would help if I could point to anyone who > perhaps has dealt with iodine post-chemo and/or iodine and > lymphoma. I will try to get her to join the group too. > > There are some sources on lymphoma that suggest that grade 1 > sometimes resolves on its own (her only signs were swollen > glands); but instead she subjected her body to the worst insults > it could stand, and has no idea what caused it in the first place > (I know she used to take up to 12 ibuprofen a day, almost every > day, for sore muscles, because her doctor told her it was okay; > perhaps it wasn't :-(). Since now the issue is keeping the cancer > from coming back, I can't help but feel that iodine would perhaps > a) keep the abnormal cells from surviving long enough to cause > problems, and help heal all the horrible things that chemo does > to the body as a system. > > I imagine the detox symptoms will be quite awful, though; and I > would suggest that she start at 25 mg and work her way up to 50? > > Thanks for your help and any advice you can provide, > > Adrienne in Texas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Our bodies need protein throughout the day. I feel so much better when I eat three meals a day instead of just one. But I know for thyroid ad adrenal spport we do need some protein. from IllinoisFrom: Piwowarski <lpiwowarski@...>iodine Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 3:13:39 PMSubject: Re: Iodine and lymphoma I read about that doctor a while back, he said he ate lots of baked goods that were fat free. So, the guy was a Chocolate Donut-arian and blamed his ill health on not eating meat and dairy. I remember reading his blog about how bad he did on a "vegan" diet and thought "I'd like to feed him from my kitchen for a week, so he knew what whole foods were." No one is healthy eating cookies and cake and muffins and not eating lots of whole plant foods. I've eaten mostly "vegan" for the past 6 years and my health has improved greatly, used to take Prevacid and lived on Maalox and Tums. When I gave up meat and dairy and extra fats, I suddenly felt so much better and couldn't figure out why, until I realized one day that I had not had heartburn in a long time. I occasionally have a taste of something like venison, turkey, fish, etc., and occasionally a taste of cheese, I guess it would be about once a month that I have an ounce or two of some animal protein. I occasionally use soy but avoid it as much as possible other than Bragg's. I eat mostly whole foods and gluten free. I do supplement with B12 and of course now all the Iodoral and companion supplements. Two years ago when I was first diagnosed hypothyroid, my new doctor who treated me with dessicated thyroid (after another doc put me on Synthroid - long story) told me to eat chicken and fish, organic if possible, and season my food liberally with olive oil. I did what he said, and started feeling worse. Then I tried eliminating the protein and just using "good fats" - still not good. Now I'm back to my potatoes, beans, rice, greens, and fruit and I feel just great. ladybugsandbees wrote: > > Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to > eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron > that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used > to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I > think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great > on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to > body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type > diets. > Steph > > * Iodine and lymphoma > > I have a friend--39 years old, yoga master, vegan, gluten-free, no > sugar, no dairy (I think she eats yogurt), no alcohol--who just > had her final R-CHOP chemo treatment for non-Hodgkins lymphoma. > (She went in to chemo immediately, although the second pathology > opinion contradicted the first, and the tie-breaker contradicted > both of them--she has EITHER grade 1, grade 2, or grade 3A > non-Hodgkins, large cell--and it's either aggressive or indolent, > they don't agree on that either!!) > > She eats tons of soy, and I'd really like to try to get her on the > iodine protocol. She is very thin, but has always complained of > being cold all the time, very cold hands and feet, always tired > despite "eating right" and exercising etc. etc. But of course her > TSH is "normal." > > She had a lot of problems with chemo and has begun to lose her > complete trust in conventional medicine, and certainly the > prescription drug industry. My thought was to make up an "iodine > kit" that contains all the things she'd need to get on the > protocol--the iodine itself, selenium, magnesium, C, celtic salt, > and instructions for what to do. Whether she does it or not I > can't control, but it would help if I could point to anyone who > perhaps has dealt with iodine post-chemo and/or iodine and > lymphoma. I will try to get her to join the group too. > > There are some sources on lymphoma that suggest that grade 1 > sometimes resolves on its own (her only signs were swollen > glands); but instead she subjected her body to the worst insults > it could stand, and has no idea what caused it in the first place > (I know she used to take up to 12 ibuprofen a day, almost every > day, for sore muscles, because her doctor told her it was okay; > perhaps it wasn't :-(). Since now the issue is keeping the cancer > from coming back, I can't help but feel that iodine would perhaps > a) keep the abnormal cells from surviving long enough to cause > problems, and help heal all the horrible things that chemo does > to the body as a system. > > I imagine the detox symptoms will be quite awful, though; and I > would suggest that she start at 25 mg and work her way up to 50? > > Thanks for your help and any advice you can provide, > > Adrienne in Texas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Just make me wonder where did he think he waas getting the recommended daily allowance of vitamins and minerals. Proteins and fats. And even those values are supect as they fail to allow for the range of differences which people present with or there activity level. Great to read you have found what works for you. Very inspirational. david>> Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to > eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron > that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used > to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I > think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great > on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to > body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type > diets.> Steph>> * Iodine and lymphoma>> I have a friend--39 years old, yoga master, vegan, gluten-free, no> sugar, no dairy (I think she eats yogurt), no alcohol--who just> had her final R-CHOP chemo treatment for non-Hodgkins lymphoma. > (She went in to chemo immediately, although the second pathology> opinion contradicted the first, and the tie-breaker contradicted> both of them--she has EITHER grade 1, grade 2, or grade 3A> non-Hodgkins, large cell--and it's either aggressive or indolent,> they don't agree on that either!!)>> She eats tons of soy, and I'd really like to try to get her on the> iodine protocol. She is very thin, but has always complained of> being cold all the time, very cold hands and feet, always tired> despite "eating right" and exercising etc. etc. But of course her> TSH is "normal.">> She had a lot of problems with chemo and has begun to lose her> complete trust in conventional medicine, and certainly the> prescription drug industry. My thought was to make up an "iodine> kit" that contains all the things she'd need to get on the> protocol--the iodine itself, selenium, magnesium, C, celtic salt,> and instructions for what to do. Whether she does it or not I> can't control, but it would help if I could point to anyone who> perhaps has dealt with iodine post-chemo and/or iodine and> lymphoma. I will try to get her to join the group too.>> There are some sources on lymphoma that suggest that grade 1> sometimes resolves on its own (her only signs were swollen> glands); but instead she subjected her body to the worst insults> it could stand, and has no idea what caused it in the first place> (I know she used to take up to 12 ibuprofen a day, almost every> day, for sore muscles, because her doctor told her it was okay;> perhaps it wasn't :-(). Since now the issue is keeping the cancer> from coming back, I can't help but feel that iodine would perhaps> a) keep the abnormal cells from surviving long enough to cause> problems, and help heal all the horrible things that chemo does> to the body as a system.>> I imagine the detox symptoms will be quite awful, though; and I> would suggest that she start at 25 mg and work her way up to 50?>> Thanks for your help and any advice you can provide,>> Adrienne in Texas>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 What is interesting about Charlotte Gerson, is that she eats all organic , no soy whatsoever, no canned or processed foods,no grains, drinks live veggie juices, does one coffee enema a day (she told me this once). And she is almost 90. I do wonder though what her blood type is and perhaps she is A which is the true vegetarian(which she is by the way, as she eats yogurt, quark and butter), and that is why she does so well on this diet without meat or fish. Type O's are the original blood type, and do well with meat, B's do well with veggies and less meat than O's, and AB's are a combination of type A and B. Eat Right for Your Type by Dr. D'Adamo is a very interesting book on blood typing; however his father De D'Adamos book, which is now out of print, stressed that eating according to blood type means nothing unless one is detoxified, drinks pure water, etc. Kathleen Re: Iodine and lymphoma Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type diets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 I agree; soy is poison. Also, I believe your friend would do better off if she ate some animal protein. You cannot get all the essential amino acids from vegetable protein (IMO); even if she didn't want to eat meat, she could have whey protein, eggs, cheese, etc. I think this would be good for her. Beverly > > > > > > > I have a friend--39 years old, yoga master, vegan, gluten-free, no > > sugar, no dairy (I think she eats yogurt), no alcohol--who just had her > > final R-CHOP chemo treatment for non-Hodgkins lymphoma. (She went in to > > chemo immediately, although the second pathology opinion contradicted the > > first, and the tie-breaker contradicted both of them--she has EITHER grade > > 1, grade 2, or grade 3A non-Hodgkins, large cell--and it's either aggressive > > or indolent, they don't agree on that either!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 , I'd be curious to know your ancestry. Sometimes I think individuals are better off eating as their own particular ancestors did. Personally, whenever I give up cheese and yogurt, I get cranky and seem to crave carbs more. Eating them satisfies me and I feel good on them. But I'm Polish and German, so, if I think about my ancestral diets, it makes sense. Of course, now I try to only eat raw milk cheese and fermented dairy products. Beverly Then I tried eliminating the protein > and just using " good fats " - still not good. Now I'm back to my > potatoes, beans, rice, greens, and fruit and I feel just great. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I agree. I am allergic to dairy, soy and gluten and I honestly don't know how I could be healthy on a vegetarian diet. I so much better on meats of animals that have not been fed soy. > > I am a blood type A and when I tried the vegetarian route it almost killed me. I feel best on a mostly meat and fat diet so there has to be more to it then blood type alone. > > Engtovo > > > From: Kathleen Blake > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:43 PM > iodine > Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphoma > > > > > What is interesting about Charlotte Gerson, is that she eats all organic , no soy whatsoever, no canned or processed foods,no grains, drinks live veggie juices, does one coffee enema a day (she told me this once). And she is almost 90. I do wonder though what her blood type is and perhaps she is A which is the true vegetarian(which she is by the way, as she eats yogurt, quark and butter), and that is why she does so well on this diet without meat or fish. Type O's are the original blood type, and do well with meat, B's do well with veggies and less meat than O's, and AB's are a combination of type A and B. Eat Right for Your Type by Dr. D'Adamo is a very interesting book on blood typing; however his father De D'Adamos book, which is now out of print, stressed that eating according to blood type means nothing unless one is detoxified, drinks pure water, etc. Kathleen > Iodine and lymphoma > > > > I have a friend--39 years old, yoga master, vegan, gluten-free, no sugar, no dairy (I think she eats yogurt), no alcohol--who just had her final R-CHOP chemo treatment for non-Hodgkins lymphoma. (She went in to chemo immediately, although the second pathology opinion contradicted the first, and the tie-breaker contradicted both of them--she has EITHER grade 1, grade 2, or grade 3A non-Hodgkins, large cell--and it's either aggressive or indolent, they don't agree on that either!!) > > She eats tons of soy, and I'd really like to try to get her on the iodine protocol. She is very thin, but has always complained of being cold all the time, very cold hands and feet, always tired despite " eating right " and exercising etc. etc. But of course her TSH is " normal. " > > She had a lot of problems with chemo and has begun to lose her complete trust in conventional medicine, and certainly the prescription drug industry. My thought was to make up an " iodine kit " that contains all the things she'd need to get on the protocol--the iodine itself, selenium, magnesium, C, celtic salt, and instructions for what to do. Whether she does it or not I can't control, but it would help if I could point to anyone who perhaps has dealt with iodine post-chemo and/or iodine and lymphoma. I will try to get her to join the group too. > > There are some sources on lymphoma that suggest that grade 1 sometimes resolves on its own (her only signs were swollen glands); but instead she subjected her body to the worst insults it could stand, and has no idea what caused it in the first place (I know she used to take up to 12 ibuprofen a day, almost every day, for sore muscles, because her doctor told her it was okay; perhaps it wasn't :-(). Since now the issue is keeping the cancer from coming back, I can't help but feel that iodine would perhaps a) keep the abnormal cells from surviving long enough to cause problems, and help heal all the horrible things that chemo does to the body as a system. > > I imagine the detox symptoms will be quite awful, though; and I would suggest that she start at 25 mg and work her way up to 50? > > Thanks for your help and any advice you can provide, > > Adrienne in Texas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Bruce, Have you come across ionic/angsrom magnesium? Basically nanoised magnesium supposedly high bio availability? Also do you think the machine for nano ising powdered vitamin C would work with powdered magnesium? From: Bruce P <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodine Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 19:13 In this regard is good:http://www.westonap rice.org/ The-Vegetarian- Myth-by-Lierre- .htmlInteresting article from one who's been there;"So she dragged her weary body through each day, her life a testament to her desperate, noble commitment to life, justice and compassion. As she struggled to find answers to her deteriorating health, she also took another step along her path as an environmentalist and began trying to grow her own food. As she puts it, these two quests led her to an adult knowledge of the world that she had never learned before. It's that knowledge that she shares in her beautifully written book, which is organized into three main sections addressing moral vegetarians (those who are vegetarian because they believe that killing/oppressing animals is wrong), political vegetarians (those who believe that the grain fed to animals should feed starving humans), and nutritional vegetarians (those who believe that animal food is detrimental to human health). These chapters are bookended by an introduction ("Why This Book?") and a conclusion ("To Save the World")."Bruce----- Original Message ----- From: ladybugsandbeesVegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type diets.Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up with products to sell. I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and natural enough for me. The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lol I suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature? Bruce Re: Iodine and lymphoma Bruce, Have you come across ionic/angsrom magnesium? Basically nanoised magnesium supposedly high bio availability? Also do you think the machine for nano ising powdered vitamin C would work with powdered magnesium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Strangely enough it was Carolyn DeanMD who mentioned it in her blog? Don't know if there are any studies done on these types of magnesium yet? Only customer comments which could easily be manipulated. The reason for nano is the same as for C nano it gets throught the stomach lining and into the bloodstream in much greater volume.like magnesium oil. As you know many types of magnesium fall down in this regard. Certainly carolyn Dean makes that point in her blog and advises experimenting. which makes one wonder what type of magnesium is in say a fish? or nuts or other foods.david bruce@...> wrote: From: Bruce P <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodine Date: Wednesday, 24 February, 2010, 22:09 No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up with products to sell.I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and natural enough for me.The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lolI suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature?Bruce Re: Iodine and lymphomaBruce,Have you come across ionic/angsrom magnesium?Basically nanoised magnesium supposedly high bio availability?Also do you think the machine for nano ising powdered vitamin Cwould work with powdered magnesium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Myself, I'm not smarter than nature, and nano' is not natural. I now see liposomal glutathione, it is useless and a caon, the cell makes it, not " we are going to make the cell take it our way " We just had over 100 years of that attitude and look where it got us. Will we find out in another 5/10 years that bypassing the body's natural protective system isn't so smart after all? Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: david kenna Strangely enough it was Carolyn DeanMD who mentioned it in her blog? Don't know if there are any studies done on these types of magnesium yet? Only customer comments which could easily be manipulated. The reason for nano is the same as for C nano it gets throught the stomach lining and into the bloodstream in much greater volume.like magnesium oil. As you know many types of magnesium fall down in this regard. Certainly carolyn Dean makes that point in her blog and advises experimenting. which makes one wonder what type of magnesium is in say a fish? or nuts or other foods. david bruce@...> wrote: No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up with products to sell. I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and natural enough for me. The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lol I suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Steph,Thanks for starting the OT group, great idea.On body types, I am currently reading "Eat Right for Your Type" by , it's a complete guide and encyclopedia to disease based on blood type and it is so right on! I'm type A, and so far ALL of the peculiarities for Type A were seen by me early in life:- low stomach acid- iron anemia, blood tends to be too thick- alcoholism, ADD, anxiety, OCD, osteoarthritis- bronchitis- does poorly on high-protein diets or dairy- wheat gluten intolerantI'm only a third of the way through the book. I'm using 100mg iodine per day for the last year, seem to be getting better, gone through many of the detox stages/symptoms. Thanks for all your help!Mark From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodine Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:54 AM Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type diets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Mark, You would be surprised how close your body type is to what the author writes in that book. I wish I would of read it along time ago so I could avoid gluten. I'm type O. I can tolerate corn and dairy, but I just wish I read that book a long time ago. from IllinoisFrom: mark abbott <zen91351@...>iodine Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 12:25:41 AMSubject: Re: Iodine and lymphoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Since Magnesium was brought up, I thought I would mention this, not so much as a brand, but when or if a person's immune system is really down/ lyme disease - they need to use a topical Magnesuim oil. This by passing the gut this way. Lyme pts need more magnesium, seems it is wasted thru taking it by pill form, but the body uses it better when used topically. Allie > > No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up > with products to sell. > I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and > natural enough for me. > The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the > latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lol > I suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Does the body have a form of magnesium it likes best? Magnesium occurs in food. What forms of magnesium occur in what foods. Maybe if we understood this we could provide the body with what it needs. Anyone know the answer to this question? From: Heal1child <blessingsx10@...>Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodine Date: Thursday, 25 February, 2010, 15:07 Since Magnesium was brought up, I thought I would mention this, not so much as a brand, but when or if a person's immune system is really down/ lyme disease - they need to use a topical Magnesuim oil. This by passing the gut this way. Lyme pts need more magnesium, seems it iswasted thru taking it by pill form, but the body uses it better when used topically.Allie> > No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up> with products to sell.> I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and> natural enough for me.> The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the> latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lol> I suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010  I use the Magnesium Oil from www.magneticclay.com or I take the BalanCe product from www.vrp.com Here is a list of high Mg foods. http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/magnesium-foods.htm Steph Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodine Date: Thursday, 25 February, 2010, 15:07 Since Magnesium was brought up, I thought I would mention this, not so much as a brand, but when or if a person's immune system is really down/ lyme disease - they need to use a topical Magnesuim oil. This by passing the gut this way. Lyme pts need more magnesium, seems it iswasted thru taking it by pill form, but the body uses it better when used topically.Allie> > No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up> with products to sell.> I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and> natural enough for me.> The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the> latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lol> I suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Steph, Thanks for that list. What I wonder about the various foods represented is : Do they all have the same form of magnesium? It would make sense to supplement with those forms? From: Heal1child <blessingsx10@ aol.com>Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, 25 February, 2010, 15:07 Since Magnesium was brought up, I thought I would mention this, not so much as a brand, but when or if a person's immune system is really down/ lyme disease - they need to use a topical Magnesuim oil. This by passing the gut this way. Lyme pts need more magnesium, seems it iswasted thru taking it by pill form, but the body uses it better when used topically.Allie> > No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up> with products to sell.> I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and> natural enough for me.> The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the> latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lol> I suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010  Have a question on the food list here, I see these often. Under the present system of agriculture, if the farmers don't replace the minerals, and few do, very few, the list doesn't mean anything without where they tested, who they tested, and when, as the soils are depleted.. Little minerals in the soil = very little in produce nor in the meat. The USDA is as bad as the AMA. Bruce Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodine Date: Thursday, 25 February, 2010, 15:07 Since Magnesium was brought up, I thought I would mention this, not so much as a brand, but when or if a person's immune system is really down/ lyme disease - they need to use a topical Magnesuim oil. This by passing the gut this way. Lyme pts need more magnesium, seems it iswasted thru taking it by pill form, but the body uses it better when used topically.Allie> > No as I would have no interest. It seems a lot of companies are coming up> with products to sell.> I use ascorbic acid and magnesium citrate or mg chloride and thats good and> natural enough for me.> The rest to me are sales oriented. Why nano' anything, seems like the> latest and greatest sales and smart and wise stuff to me lol> I suspect most is a con. Are we now smarter than nature?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Hi laura, I realize I am replying very late, but your problem with meat, dairy, etc., could very much be a lack of the enzymes you need to digest it. I had problems with anemia despite eating lots of protein, and had continuing bowel problems. But when I started taking digestive enzymes, the bowel problems went away because I was now digesting the fat so my body could use it properly, instead of it going right through me. Maybe that is the real problem for you. Donna in IL From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Piwowarski Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:14 PM iodine Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphoma I read about that doctor a while back, he said he ate lots of baked goods that were fat free. So, the guy was a Chocolate Donut-arian and blamed his ill health on not eating meat and dairy. I remember reading his blog about how bad he did on a " vegan " diet and thought " I'd like to feed him from my kitchen for a week, so he knew what whole foods were. " No one is healthy eating cookies and cake and muffins and not eating lots of whole plant foods. I've eaten mostly " vegan " for the past 6 years and my health has improved greatly, used to take Prevacid and lived on Maalox and Tums. When I gave up meat and dairy and extra fats, I suddenly felt so much better and couldn't figure out why, until I realized one day that I had not had heartburn in a long time. I occasionally have a taste of something like venison, turkey, fish, etc., and occasionally a taste of cheese, I guess it would be about once a month that I have an ounce or two of some animal protein. I occasionally use soy but avoid it as much as possible other than Bragg's. I eat mostly whole foods and gluten free. I do supplement with B12 and of course now all the Iodoral and companion supplements. Two years ago when I was first diagnosed hypothyroid, my new doctor who treated me with dessicated thyroid (after another doc put me on Synthroid - long story) told me to eat chicken and fish, organic if possible, and season my food liberally with olive oil. I did what he said, and started feeling worse. Then I tried eliminating the protein and just using " good fats " - still not good. Now I'm back to my potatoes, beans, rice, greens, and fruit and I feel just great. ladybugsandbees wrote: > > Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to > eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron > that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used > to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I > think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great > on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to > body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type > diets. > Steph > > * Iodine and lymphoma > > I have a friend--39 years old, yoga master, vegan, gluten-free, no > sugar, no dairy (I think she eats yogurt), no alcohol--who just > had her final R-CHOP chemo treatment for non-Hodgkins lymphoma. > (She went in to chemo immediately, although the second pathology > opinion contradicted the first, and the tie-breaker contradicted > both of them--she has EITHER grade 1, grade 2, or grade 3A > non-Hodgkins, large cell--and it's either aggressive or indolent, > they don't agree on that either!!) > > She eats tons of soy, and I'd really like to try to get her on the > iodine protocol. She is very thin, but has always complained of > being cold all the time, very cold hands and feet, always tired > despite " eating right " and exercising etc. etc. But of course her > TSH is " normal. " > > She had a lot of problems with chemo and has begun to lose her > complete trust in conventional medicine, and certainly the > prescription drug industry. My thought was to make up an " iodine > kit " that contains all the things she'd need to get on the > protocol--the iodine itself, selenium, magnesium, C, celtic salt, > and instructions for what to do. Whether she does it or not I > can't control, but it would help if I could point to anyone who > perhaps has dealt with iodine post-chemo and/or iodine and > lymphoma. I will try to get her to join the group too. > > There are some sources on lymphoma that suggest that grade 1 > sometimes resolves on its own (her only signs were swollen > glands); but instead she subjected her body to the worst insults > it could stand, and has no idea what caused it in the first place > (I know she used to take up to 12 ibuprofen a day, almost every > day, for sore muscles, because her doctor told her it was okay; > perhaps it wasn't :-(). Since now the issue is keeping the cancer > from coming back, I can't help but feel that iodine would perhaps > a) keep the abnormal cells from surviving long enough to cause > problems, and help heal all the horrible things that chemo does > to the body as a system. > > I imagine the detox symptoms will be quite awful, though; and I > would suggest that she start at 25 mg and work her way up to 50? > > Thanks for your help and any advice you can provide, > > Adrienne in Texas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Vegans can be very healthy if they know how to properly combine foods. Some do and some don't. I thought that most would know and would also know to use supplements for things that are harder to get such as b-6 and b-12 vitamins. Oh, well.JagFrom: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Iodine and lymphomaiodine Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 1:54 PM Vegans are some of the most unhealthy people around. They do tend to eat a lot of soy and they miss out on the good B vitamins and Iron that are found in meats. I am trying to remember the doctor that used to be vegan and now is not because he wasn't doing very well. If I think of it I will post. I know that Charlotte Gerson is doing great on vegan and that makes me wonder how much of all this is related to body type - one day in my spare time I will learn more about body type diets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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