Giving Blood

[Guest guest]

Go to ph web sit www.josephjones.net he was discharged with

30% disability after taking the anthrax shots. You will find the site

interesting.

Deanna

giving blood

> From: Jamey Summa <jlsumma@...>

>

> There is a rumor going around here at Rota. Somebody told me that

> they heard that if you get the vaccine, you are not supposed to

> donate blood for a long time. Any truth to this? If it is true....

> sheesh...

>

> Also-- when I have my anthrax " training " on Friday, and I ask the

> doctor about long-term health effects, and he says- 'there's been no

> reports of long-term health effects', like I am sure he will, how can

> I respond? I know that there have obviously been more people with

> health problems than the DoD admits to. I hope I am not out of line

> by asking this, but are there any people out there on the list who

> wouldn't mind sending me a description of some of their symptoms? It

> would also help to have an age and rank...?

>

> thank you,

>

> Jamey

>

> --

> Jamey Summa

> jlsumma@...

> icq # 12035099

[Guest guest]

Could not find this site you referred to....can you recheck and repost?

In a message dated 12/6/1999 10:46:06 PM Mountain Standard Time,

dean1823@... writes:

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Date: 12/6/1999 10:46:06 PM Mountain Standard Time

From: dean1823@... (Deanna Austin)

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From: " Deanna Austin " <dean1823@...>

Go to ph web sit www.josephjones.net he was discharged with

30% disability after taking the anthrax shots. You will find the site

interesting.

Deanna

>>

[Guest guest]

Try this:

http://www.josephjones.net/petition.htm

http://www.josephjones.net/

Gretchen

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Could not find this site you referred to....can you recheck and repost?

In a message dated 12/6/1999 10:46:06 PM Mountain Standard Time,

dean1823@... writes:

<< Subj: Re: giving blood

Date: 12/6/1999 10:46:06 PM Mountain Standard Time

From: dean1823@... (Deanna Austin)

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HREF= " mailto:onelist " >onelist</A>

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From: " Deanna Austin " <dean1823@...>

Go to ph web sit www.josephjones.net he was discharged

with

30% disability after taking the anthrax shots. You will find the site

interesting.

[Guest guest]

I've never had bad effects from donating blood.

Dehydration? How much blood do they take from you in Sweden? Is it like

the taxes? (Sorry.) It's just a pint or so. Drink a couple of glasses of

water to replenish liquids.

Another warning I take seriously is to not lift anything heavy afterwards,

so as to not reopen the puncture. So I donate blood after training and

before a day off.

Your blood will be used to save a life. Nothing else can be substituted for

your blood. You may save the life of a premature baby, an accident victim,

or someone receiving a heart transplant.

And they usually give you cookies and juice afterwards.

Skip Dallen

Covina, CA

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> I am wondering how badly dehydrated will I be? Will I have a sort

of hangover, feeling lazy and sluggish after? Do athletes in general

give blood?

*** Well, I don't know about athletes in general, but I'm an avid

cyclist, I've given blood dozens of times, and I've never felt tired

or sluggish afterward. (Of course, I always did what I was told and

took the day off from training.) Try it--you might not feel

physically different, but you'll feel great about what you've done.

[Guest guest]

One comment here. It will vary with individuals. Friend of mine finds that

even giving blood for a sample/test, not for donation's larger quantities,

causes arm to bruise and is a problem with the bench press. He is careful

to schedule around his bench workout, to allow 1 day off.

So go with your own body's indicator. Personally fasting blood tests upset

me the remainder of the day, due to fast metabolism and not eating for 12

hours will help mess up my needs for a whole day thereafter.

The Phantom

Re: Giving Blood

> I am wondering how badly dehydrated will I be? Will I have a sort

of hangover, feeling lazy and sluggish after? Do athletes in general

give blood?

*** Well, I don't know about athletes in general, but I'm an avid

cyclist, I've given blood dozens of times, and I've never felt tired

or sluggish afterward. (Of course, I always did what I was told and

took the day off from training.) Try it--you might not feel

physically different, but you'll feel great about what you've done.

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Hi Patti!

With the improvement in health after having your blood drawn, you may

want to share this experience with your doctor the next time you see

him. You may also want to ask him about iron overload and blood

letting.

BILL SARDI (http://www.askbillsardi.com/) was interviewed by Dr.

Stanley Montheith of Radio Liberty yesterday. The interview can be

found in the second hour of the program and may be of particular

interest to you.

http://www.oneplace.com/PlayIt.asp?file=/rlt/rlt20010813.rm

Kind regards,

Trudy N.

Message: 13

Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:52:44 EDT

From: patbov4@...

Subject: Giving Blood

Today, I had 9 viles of blood drawn at the doctor's office for lots of

tests I wanted done. He laughingly said, " If you are not anemic, you

probably will be after this. " Well, I unexpectedly started feeling

great about an hour later and have kept this wonderful feeling for 8

hours now. I still have pain but I FEEL GOOD and HAPPY. I am usually

in the bed the rest of the day after traveling 1.5 hours both ways to

go to my doctor. Can anybody explain why I might be feeling so much

better after losing about 2 pints of blood? Do you think it is just a

coincidence?

Thanks.

Pattie in GA

sick since 95

FM/CFS/HHV-6

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Hi Pattie

>Today, I had 9 viles of blood drawn at the doctor's office for lots of tests

>I wanted done. He laughingly said, " If you are not anemic, you probably will

>be after this. " Well, I unexpectedly started feeling great about an hour

>later and have kept this wonderful feeling for 8 hours now. I still have

>pain but I FEEL GOOD and HAPPY. I am usually in the bed the rest of the day

>after traveling 1.5 hours both ways to go to my doctor. Can anybody explain

>why I might be feeling so much better after losing about 2 pints of blood?

>Do you think it is just a coincidence?

I've had a similar experience on two occasions. On both occasions I had

a lot of blood drawn (6 or 8 tubes of blood) and afterwards felt better

than I had when I sat down to have the blood taken - slightly more

energy and a much clearer head. The effect only lasted for an hour or

so but it was *very* noticeable and when it happened on the second

occasion I realised that it couldn't have been a coincidence.

If I only have 2 or 3 tubes taken I don't feel any benefit.

I know there is a theory that ME/CFIDS sufferers may have *low* blood

volume but I've never read anything along the lines of us having *too

much* blood.

Like you, I'd love to know if anyone can come up with an explanation.

I have very low ferritin levels and my iron levels are on the low side

of normal so for me at least it can't be connected with high iron

levels.

Please do let us know if you find any answers. I hope your good phase

continues!

best wishes

Vicky

[Guest guest]

Here's another thought -guess about large amounts of blood

letting.... If you have viruses or mycos that are still living in your

blood stream (not hiding in tissues, bones and organs as in

latter stages), sheerly unloading part of the disease-carrying

blood would lighten the stress on your body.

The newly manufactured blood would return fully within less than

2 weeks or less, and then become increasingly contaminated

again. They do complete blood transfusions and blood

cleansing successfully for some with other diseases or blood

conditions.

Have you had your iron levels tested to see if you do have an iron

problem?

Klo

> Hi Pattie

>

> >Today, I had 9 viles of blood drawn at the doctor's office for

lots of tests

> >I wanted done. He laughingly said, " If you are not anemic, you

probably will

> >be after this. " Well, I unexpectedly started feeling great about

an hour

> >later and have kept this wonderful feeling for 8 hours now. I

still have

> >pain but I FEEL GOOD and HAPPY. I am usually in the bed

the rest of the day

> >after traveling 1.5 hours both ways to go to my doctor. Can

anybody explain

> >why I might be feeling so much better after losing about 2

pints of blood?

> >Do you think it is just a coincidence?

>

> I've had a similar experience on two occasions. On both

occasions I had

> a lot of blood drawn (6 or 8 tubes of blood) and afterwards felt

better

> than I had when I sat down to have the blood taken - slightly

more

> energy and a much clearer head. The effect only lasted for an

hour or

> so but it was *very* noticeable and when it happened on the

second

> occasion I realised that it couldn't have been a coincidence.

>

> If I only have 2 or 3 tubes taken I don't feel any benefit.

>

> I know there is a theory that ME/CFIDS sufferers may have

*low* blood

> volume but I've never read anything along the lines of us having

*too

> much* blood.

>

> Like you, I'd love to know if anyone can come up with an

explanation.

>

> I have very low ferritin levels and my iron levels are on the low

side

> of normal so for me at least it can't be connected with high iron

> levels.

>

> Please do let us know if you find any answers. I hope your

good phase

> continues!

>

> best wishes

>

> Vicky

[Guest guest]

Several years ago Dr. Cheney actually gave me a script for a " porflin

dump " ... that's where they go in, draw a pint of blood, and then

dump it. I had to have it done at the hospital. I'm brain fogged

right now, and can't remember why he ordered it, but do remember

feeling lots better immediately afterwards.

Sheri

> Today, I had 9 viles of blood drawn at the doctor's office for lots

of tests

> I wanted done. He laughingly said, " If you are not anemic, you

probably will

> be after this. " Well, I unexpectedly started feeling great about

an hour

> later and have kept this wonderful feeling for 8 hours now. I

still have

> pain but I FEEL GOOD and HAPPY. I am usually in the bed the rest

of the day

> after traveling 1.5 hours both ways to go to my doctor. Can

anybody explain

> why I might be feeling so much better after losing about 2 pints of

blood?

> Do you think it is just a coincidence?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Pattie in GA

> sick since 95

> FM/CFS/HHV-6

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Several years ago Dr. Cheney actually gave me a script for

a " porflin

> dump " ... that's where they go in, draw a pint of blood, and then

> dump it.

Sure it was not a " porphyrin dump " ? Your post reminded me that I

have read that people who have porphyria feel better after

giving/losing blood. That is why King of England, a porphyria

sufferer, would feel better after 18th-century medical treatment of

blood letting.

There are several varieties of porphyria, some genetic and some

acquired through toxic exposures/poisoning. Some researchers feel

that more subtle forms (representing less dramatic results on

diagnostic testing) are clinically significant. The diagnostic

sampling and testing is susceptible to false negatives (if sample

shipped improperly, for example). Porphyria may be characterised by

periods of feeling well. In order to avoid an acute porphyria attack,

people with porphyria must avoid " porphyrigenic " (foods, medications,

toxic exposures, anaesthetics), some must avoid sunlight (rashes),

and many feel better on a high-carb diet and are sensitive to

perfumes and chemicals.

So what is porphyria? I will leave that to one of our med scientists

on list here. I can only remember that it is a disorder of the heme,

involving liver enzymes and detoxification processes. (Help??)

All above my best attempt despite horrid memory, pls research further

if interested.

Cheers,

Jo

[Guest guest]

Steve

You always have such cinic comments and I am sure you are a nice guy.

Did you love someone at least once in your life?

Elena

Giving blood

> If you have CFS you have so many other concerns why even bother to think

> about giving blood?

> Steve

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>If you have CFS you have so many other concerns why even bother to think

>about giving blood?

Steve,

I hardly read anything from the list any more but I happen to read this

thread and it is surprising that you should comment on something you just

haven't read properly. Pattie said she felt better after having a lot of

blood drawn for tests (not for the red cross!) and I find it well worth

discusing why she would have felt better from it. I think before you comment

you should read what people are saying, but if I remember well you usually

just ask questions.

Nelly

Giving Blood

> I am not offended because I never read any of the post. I just saw people

> talking about giving blood and I thinks the small change of passing of the

> disease makes it a moot subject. I only scan the digest for articles that

> interest me and probably only read 1% of all articles. MY only problem

with

> the discussion of blood giving is that it has been beaten to death before

> and I just do not understand, in light of the risk to others, why one with

> CFS would trouble themselves with this issue. I do not intend to go back

and

> read the articles so do not worry about offending me.

>

> And do not worry about giving blood. Plus I know Elena from another site

and

> I like her a lot.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Kids.......

I have donated blood before I knew I had M.E./CFS. Call your

local blood bank See what yours has to say about this subject....?

DaisyDog.......

[Guest guest]

I'm positive I posted already, asking about giving blood, but can't find it

anywhere. Can you still give blood when you have hashi's, since it's my body

producing the antibodies?? I have given since I was 17, except when I was

feeling particularly tired.

Jean

[Guest guest]

Hi

Ask the blood transfusion service, if you're unsure.

There are some infections that they don't like transmitting and that may include

periodontitis/oral infections along with some of the more obvious

ones......hepatitis A/B/C etc, HIV, tick-borne diseases (eg Lyme disease), 'flu

even, quite a long list.

Can't be certain about the autoimmune/immunoglobulin proteins.

best wishes

Bob

(as a former donor)

>

> I'm positive I posted already, asking about giving blood, but can't find it

anywhere. Can you still give blood when you have hashi's, since it's my body

producing the antibodies?? I have given since I was 17, except when I was

feeling particularly tired.

>

> Jean

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly what I was thinking Stephie.

Hope it didnt make other people ill, since it was my body producing them and not

my blood. Or is it??

Jean

" stephanie.trolle " <stephanie.trolle@...> wrote:

>

> >Hi Everyone,

> God I feel terrible now, I have Hashimoto's and Dr Peatfield thinks I have had

it for twelve to fourteen years, I only recently gave up being a blood donor.

This was because I had blood transfusions many years ago and there is a concern

re mad cow disease.

> I would hate to think I was giving happily all theses years hoping I was

helping but actualy making people ill.

> Gulity

> Stephie