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" Andrine C. Olson-Kirschenman " <midvale808@...> wrot

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi Janita,

>>>> That is, unless you use the " melt-n-pour " soap that

you get at the craft store. I won't touch that stuff, personally.

Go ahead and call me a soap snob, but I make my own because it's the

only stuff I can trust not to give me a rash.

>>>>>>>Andrine ..... hi..........that really does depend on where one

sources the melt and pour ..... I agree the standards vary..... but I have been

extremely happy with my source when researching perfume formulas for

soapmaking>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The only really sure way to get the most out of your scent is to

rebatch the soap (which is how the big commercial makers do it).

Unfortunately for the small soap maker, we don't have the giant

presses that enable to commercial soaps to be compressed and

rendered hard and long-lasting.

>>>>>>>>>>>The only way would be to cure for longer period with no scent then

remill then perfume as above.....

My efforts at rebatching have always proved disappointing because

the soap is softer than I would like and the bar doesn't last as

long.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>maybe again because you havn't left it long enough....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Which is why you don't use the

best EOs for your soaps.

>>>>>>>>>. I have used absolutes with OE in melt and pour very

successfully.......

There are several books that deal with rebatching soaps, and the end

products can look gorgeous, but I still can't get used to a squishy

bar that dissolves when you get it into the shower or tub. The

following books have been my best guides for the last 8-11 years.

They deal with all sorts of natural ingredients and have fantastic

scientific data as well:

>>Yes I am very familiar with all of those, Cavitch is an

excellent source if one wants to make soap from scratch.....Melinda Coss is also

very good and also I really like Sandy Maines little books...........

warm regards

Janitahaan

The Natural Soap Book: Making Herbal and Vegetable-Based Soaps

Cavitch, ~ Storey Publishing, LLC 08 January, 1995 ~

ISBN: 0882668889 ~ Paperback

Soapmaker's Companion: A Comprehensive Guide with Recipes,

Techniques & Know-How (Natural Body Series - The Natural Way to

Enhance Your Life)

Cavitch, ~ Storey Publishing, LLC 07 January, 1997 ~

ISBN: 0882669656 ~ Paperback

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As far as adding the EO once in container to set... it many times will

create spotting on your soaps. If you choose to do this make sure that you

will still have room to stir the eo sufficiently in the container you are

using for it to set in and always mix the eo with a small amount of

carrier to aid in avoidance of spotting.

Hope this helps!

Lesle

www.lesleabbottgifts.com

Dear Lesle

I think you have offered all soapmaker who are making from scratch some

wonderful tips that they will find extremely

useful..........................................

for me.......................... don't do soap from scratch .... I guess I am

just interested in the perfume.......... but I appreciate all the incredible

things you all do from the oils you choose to the correct temperatures and

trace etc and calculations you have to make

........

thanks again for sharing such important information for soapers............

Janita

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The only really sure way to get the most out of your scent is to

rebatch the soap (which is how the big commercial makers do it).

Unfortunately for the small soap maker, we don't have the giant

presses that enable to commercial soaps to be compressed and

rendered hard and long-lasting.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A hand press can be created and it has taken us some time to make ours to

our liking, but we do use a make-shift press we've designed ourselves. We

use PVC for soap molds and even bend the rounds into ovals. We press the

soap for 48 to 72 hours.

Once the soap is pressed you have a hard bar of soap that is not soggy! It

is quite lovely. True, it is a bit more work than your average bar of soap,

however, the final product is well worth it. We have set up about 8

presses that can handle a dozen bars a peice at 5 ounces per bar. Roughly.

They still have some shrinkage when moisture evaporates so we cut heavier.

We were managing up to 8 dozen every two days if we needed too. Granted

production is slower.

We don't have giant presses, but then we really don't need giant presses

since we are not a major company. The bars are not as hard as a triple

pressed bar of tallow soap, but they are far harder than a glycerine bar.

It also depends on the humidity and other factors.

A little ingenuity can do a lot. But sometimes it really isn't worth it

economically!

Robin

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Wow! This was a really active topic. I'm so glad that so many of you

folks chimed in. I've dabbled in hot process but have mostly used

cold process. Now I've got lots of new ammo to use in my next soap

batch. Thanks to each of you for the tons of new info. I'm looking

forward to some great new soaps!

And Robin, you mentioned your make-shift presses. What are they made

from -- how do they work? I think the idea is fascinating.

Cheers and lotsa suds,

Andrine

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>

> Due to various folks here warning about the dangers of bleach I

cleaned the tube sprouter for my last batch of clover sprouts with soap

and water. I rinsed it out and grew the sprouts as usual, rinsing twice

a day. When I tasted the sprouts they had an overwhelming flavor of

soap! . . . Anyone else ever have this problem?

I'm new to the list, but I have not had a problem using a very very

diluted mix of liquid soap and water. I have used this with the

containers for everything from the easiest to grow kinds of sprounts

like lentils to the more delicate sprouts that can be made in these

containers. I have not used this on my microgarden sprouter.

Anyway, I am new to the list, and I am glad to have found you because I

know I am going to ask a lot of questions.

Joyce

Dallas TX

>

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THIS POST WAS EDITED TO CORRECT TOPPOSTING:**

>From: janita morris <heartinmymouth@...>

>Temperature and soapmaking is always tenuous...... My personal feeling is

>that to create a superbly scented bar...(and I have according to my

>customers) is that temperature, yes plays a part..... If you add the oils

>when the melted soap is too hot you will boil it..... evaporate the good

SNIP**

> best

>

> Janita

>This is such a helpful tip...about boiling! Its been an error I've beeen

making, completely turns citrus eo's and sours earthy scents....can I ask

what you use to melt soap in and marry scents...I've been making soap for

about 2 yrs now and buy excellent quality base and make my work about

perfuming, but my results are unevevn, sometimes marvelous and wonderful,

others, well, nasty....

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Kleinman <lollybelle@...> wrote: THIS POST WAS EDITED TO

CORRECT TOPPOSTING:**

>From: janita morris

>Temperature and soapmaking is always tenuous...... My personal feeling is

>that to create a superbly scented bar...(and I have according to my

>customers) is that temperature, yes plays a part..... If you add the oils

>when the melted soap is too hot you will boil it..... evaporate the good

SNIP**

> best

>

> Janita

>This is such a helpful tip...about boiling! Its been an error I've beeen

making, completely turns citrus eo's and sours earthy scents....can I ask

what you use to melt soap in and marry scents...I've been making soap for

about 2 yrs now and buy excellent quality base and make my work about

perfuming, but my results are unevevn, sometimes marvelous and wonderful,

others, well, nasty....

Hi

a double boiler works well......

Janita

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Edited to trim..

<Big Snip>>

> There are several books that deal with rebatching soaps, and the

end

> products can look gorgeous, but I still can't get used to a squishy

> bar that dissolves when you get it into the shower or tub. The

> following books have been my best guides for the last 8-11 years.

> They deal with all sorts of natural ingredients and have fantastic

> scientific data as well:

>

> The Natural Soap Book: Making Herbal and Vegetable-Based Soaps

> Cavitch, ~ Storey Publishing, LLC 08 January, 1995 ~

> ISBN: 0882668889 ~ Paperback

>

> Soapmaker's Companion: A Comprehensive Guide with Recipes,

> Techniques & Know-How (Natural Body Series - The Natural Way to

> Enhance Your Life)

> Cavitch, ~ Storey Publishing, LLC 07 January, 1997 ~

> ISBN: 0882669656 ~ Paperback

<Snip>

Cheers!

> Andrine

>

I respectfully disagree. You can make cold process soaps without

boiling, gelling or rebatching.

You can even make cold process soaps without melting ANY of the oils

and use cold lye.

The scent stay true and doesn't morph.

Irena

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Do you or anyone else know that a by-product of making soap is a form

of bio diesel (glycerin) or so my husband has informed me. So

maybe I'll make soap and then run the car on the by-product : )

Is this true or false?

Ruth

Hi again, Ruth! is correct in that glycerin and biodiesel are related, but

it's sort of the other way around... it is glycerin that is a byproduct of

making biodiesel fuel (the fuel is generally made from " waste vegetable oil " ,

using lye and also, I believe, alcohol...). The glycerin that results from

biodiesel fuel making would probably not be a nice pure kind that you would want

to add to body care products.

Glycerin is also a natural byproduct of the chemical reaction when soap is made

- - that's a GOOD thing! ) Here is one of my favorite sites, that explains

what happens when lye and oils are combined to make soap:

http://www.canis-art.com/soaping.htm

Sue

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In a message dated 12/7/2007 9:36:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

karenrothfuss@... writes:

With the wineries who buy my grape soap, if they order 5 doz. bars I will

deliver it or cover shipping cost. However, in retrospect, covering the

shipping cost was not a smart idea

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In a message dated 12/7/2007 9:39:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

shaye@... writes:

Wow Susie congratulations! From what I have seen people usualy mark the

wholesale prices 40% to 50% down providing there is a minimum amount order.

What that is will be up to you and what you feel is fair to you and to them.

Sometimes it could bother you to know that you have done all the work and

someone else is making more money on your product than you are.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Don't forget to include a high enough volume requirement to make it worth

your time, Susie. Many soapmakers make the mistake of not doing that, and end

up not making any money.

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Susie, I sell my soap wholesale at 1/2 the retail price. My bars weigh between

4.5 and 5 oz.

and retail at $4.50 (or 3 for $12). I sell them wholesale at $2.25/bar. It

depends on what the business' typically expect as a profit margin. They may be

willing to make a smaller margin on an item that turns over more quickly than

one that will sit on the shelf a while. You also have to look at your cost of

materials and the cost of your time and determine what you need to make to make

it worth your while. Also, will you deliver the soap or ship it? Who will pay

for the cost of shipping? If you deliver it, there is gas and time. With the

wineries who buy my grape soap, if they order 5 doz. bars I will deliver it or

cover shipping cost. However, in retrospect, covering the shipping cost was not

a smart idea. That doesn't happen often thank goodness. On the hotel bars you

would probably want to charge

them more than 1/2 retail value as you have more labor in them.

Hope this helps.

Susie Miele <luvdatgoat13@...> wrote:

Hi all, I need help FAST! i have a few bussinessess interested in my

soap wholesale but I've never sold wholesale. If i sell my bars for $4.00 what

would be a fair price?What about Hotel bars at $1.00 ? Thanks

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Wow Susie congratulations! From what I have seen people usualy mark the

wholesale prices 40% to 50% down providing there is a minimum amount order.

What that is will be up to you and what you feel is fair to you and to them.

Sometimes it could bother you to know that you have done all the work and

someone else is making more money on your product than you are. I guess

sometimes thats how it goes. So think about it for a while and see what is

really fair to you. How big are your hotel bars vs your regular bar size?

Shaye

soap

Hi all, I need help FAST! i have a few bussinessess interested in my soap

wholesale but I've never sold wholesale. If i sell my bars for $4.00 what

would be a fair price?What about Hotel bars at $1.00 ? Thanks

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Thanks everybody for all your help! It makes me feel more confident coming from

all of you pros! shaye the hotel ones are 1oz. and the others appox.4oz.

Shaye <shaye@...> wrote: Wow Susie congratulations! From

what I have seen people usualy mark the

wholesale prices 40% to 50% down providing there is a minimum amount order.

What that is will be up to you and what you feel is fair to you and to them.

Sometimes it could bother you to know that you have done all the work and

someone else is making more money on your product than you are. I guess

sometimes thats how it goes. So think about it for a while and see what is

really fair to you. How big are your hotel bars vs your regular bar size?

Shaye

soap

Hi all, I need help FAST! i have a few bussinessess interested in my soap

wholesale but I've never sold wholesale. If i sell my bars for $4.00 what

would be a fair price?What about Hotel bars at $1.00 ? Thanks

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You're right Beth. With gas prices such as they are, this is an opportune time

to make

a policy change of that nature. Everyone is feeling the pinch.

My husband and I are thinking about buying one of those small " Smart Cars "

they are

selling in Europe. They will be available in the US in the first quarter of

2008. The one we

are looking at costs $13,000 and gets 40 miles per gallon. It only seats 2

people. My

husband would use it mainly for going back and forth to work. Now we trade

vehicles, whoever is going the greatest distance drives the vehicle that gets

the best mileage.

ByrneBunch@... wrote:

In a message dated 12/7/2007 9:36:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

karenrothfuss@... writes:

With the wineries who buy my grape soap, if they order 5 doz. bars I will

deliver it or cover shipping cost. However, in retrospect, covering the

shipping cost was not a smart idea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Not with the cost of shipping! You can always change your policies.

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Hi , sorry to but into your conversation, but have you driven one of

the Smart Cars? Tom and I were in Canada this past summer for a couple weeks

and had the opportunity to drive one. They are very inexpensive up there. We

tried to get one down here, but NY won't let them in just yet because of

emissions. Well, actually they would make less emissions than whatever is on

the

road right now.

The car may look tiny, and it is, but there is really quite a bit of room in

them. They are comfortable, move right along and keep up with traffic, even

on the expressways.

We figured maybe we could buy it in Canada, license, plate and insure it

there and just bring it back to NY. That plan didn't work to well.

Anyway, if you can get your hands on one, I would snap it right up. The

only draw back to it is - our winters. Not the hottest thing to drive up here.

I drive a small Subaru and that even makes me nutsy in our weather.

Anyhow, just my two cents. I figure they are the hottest thing you can

invest in.

My husband and I are thinking about buying one of those small " Smart Cars "

they are

selling in Europe

Donna

Notions Lotions and Soaps

Farmington, NY

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Hi Donna ~

No problem : ), I appreciate your input. I have not driven one of the Smart

Cars. They are not available in the US yet but will be in the first quarter of

08. The ones they are making for the US will be for the US market and will pass

our market emissions requirements (I assume or else they can't sell them here).

We have a put a reservation in on one ($99), which is refundable if we decide

not to buy. We will get first dibs on one though if we want it with that

reservation. We don't anticipate driving it on bad winter roads. But we have

good roads for almost 9 mos. out of the year and many days in the winter we

could still drive it

aro. town. We've anticipate buying a red one with black trim......will look

like a ladybug!

With gas prices climbing and US automakers stalling on building affordable

cars with good mileage, I figure buying one of these cars makes a statement. We

have to reduce our carbon emissions and we'll save money on gas to boot. I

expect gas prices to continue to climb.

Yes, the Smart Cars are small. My husband has lost 50 lbs. since being

diagnosed with type II diabetes this summer so he will fit in one better than he

would have last spring : ).

Thanks for sharing your experience with the car Donna.

notionslotions@... wrote:

Hi , sorry to but into your conversation, but have you driven one of

the Smart Cars? Tom and I were in Canada this past summer for a couple weeks

and had the opportunity to drive one. They are very inexpensive up there. We

tried to get one down here, but NY won't let them in just yet because of

emissions. Well, actually they would make less emissions than whatever is on the

road right now.

The car may look tiny, and it is, but there is really quite a bit of room in

them. They are comfortable, move right along and keep up with traffic, even

on the expressways.

We figured maybe we could buy it in Canada, license, plate and insure it

there and just bring it back to NY. That plan didn't work to well.

Anyway, if you can get your hands on one, I would snap it right up. The

only draw back to it is - our winters. Not the hottest thing to drive up here.

I drive a small Subaru and that even makes me nutsy in our weather.

Anyhow, just my two cents. I figure they are the hottest thing you can

invest in.

My husband and I are thinking about buying one of those small " Smart Cars "

they are

selling in Europe

Donna

Notions Lotions and Soaps

Farmington, NY

web page coming soon to:

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i went to the health food store and bought KEYS galleyon soap and i also got

REDICARE natual healing spray...its good for itching along with other benefits.

Has anyone heard of it before?

thanks,

terri

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jason,

I attended a short seminar at a local hospital to advise docs in infection prevention. They said to use anti-microbials only if you're doing surgical procedures or if you know a patient has a virulent infection of some sort. Otherwise use regular soap and wash for as long as it takes you to sing the happy birthday song. The slippery soap & rubbing takes off as much bacteria as any other method. And it won't kill the good bacteria on your skin that you need. They said constant use of anti-microbial soaps are bad. It can inhibit the good bacteria & help produce more virulent strains of bad bacteria.

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Soap

I was wondering if any of you are using special soap (ie antimicrobial or hospital grade) for yourselves and your massage therapists between patients?

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