Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Hello Merle, Has the Shiatsu remedies and acupuncture help/work? Mark and > > > has anyone had this and found a good remedy? My adrenal burnout is > > still > > > severe. Its like battle fatigue; like the spent feeling you get > > after a huge > > > adrenaline rush; causing me to feel like a zombie; completely > > burned out. I > > > tried immunopro and immunocal but they both gave me bad anxiety. > > > thanks > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 Re: Bancha Twig Tea Hi All, Bancha Tea has been mentioned a couple of times with regards to helping the adrenals. After taking 3tsp (instead of the 3tablespoons suggested on the packet) I felt overstimulated with my mind racing with a the sensation of wanting to do more but just burning myself out in the process. A similar sensation can be found by taking too much Korean Ginseng which I also take for my adrenals. I take about 1/3 tsp a day. Any more and I would feel as though I was going up the wall. If I felt understimulated and lethargic large amounts of Banch tea or Ginseng would be ideal. I would be interested to hear from patients who feel that Bancha tea has really helped them with their energy and adrenals (rather than the buzz and drop sensations I have been having) It would be good to get a reply as my last 3messages answering questions as well as raising issues have gone by without a response. Thanks Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2001 Report Share Posted March 15, 2001 Hi Adam, We don't have experience with Bancha Tea, but 's treatment thus far has revolved around resting and rejuvenating her adrenals. She has improved a great deal, but still needs consistent stamina/energy. We are reluctant to over stimulate her adrenals with various products because hers are exhausted to an extent. We are looking into other products, specifically for support and rebuilding purposes. In particular, Natcell Adrenals. We are waiting for the info packet in the mail. We have spoken with the folks that market it (it is actually part of a program that Dr. Cheney in experimenting with) and the gentleman there passed along a remarkable story of a man that had adrenal burnout to the point of being wheelchair bound. After using their product he has regained 60% of his adrenal function when Dr.s told him there was nothing to do that. Of course we don't want stories, we want recovery. So we'll post info when we receive it. Mark and > Re: Bancha Twig Tea > > Hi All, > > Bancha Tea has been mentioned a couple of times with regards to helping the > adrenals. > > After taking 3tsp (instead of the 3tablespoons suggested on the packet) I > felt overstimulated with my mind racing with a the sensation of wanting to > do more but just burning myself out in the process. > > A similar sensation can be found by taking too much Korean Ginseng which I > also take for my adrenals. I take about 1/3 tsp a day. Any more and I would > feel as though I was going up the wall. > > If I felt understimulated and lethargic large amounts of Banch tea or > Ginseng would be ideal. I would be interested to hear from patients who feel > that Bancha tea has really helped them with their energy and adrenals > (rather than the buzz and drop sensations I have been having) > > It would be good to get a reply as my last 3messages answering questions as > well as > raising issues have gone by without a response. > > Thanks > Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 Over time the adrenal glands reduce cortisol output in direct proportion to the level of hydrocortisone supplementation. If the hydro doses are high enough the adrenals shut down and a person becomes ian (s disease - JFK suffered from this). This was demonstrated in an AMJ study a few years ago and long ago by Dr. Jeffries who wrote the book on medical use of hydrocortisone back in the 1960's. Steve B. Re: Adrenal Exhaustion > Mark/, > > How do and others on the list know that your adrenals are a problem? > Does suffer from hypoadrenalism? Have you had your adrenal > hormone levels tested? If this is truly 's major problem why not > just take hydrocortisone? thanks > > > > > > Hi Adam, > > We don't have experience with Bancha Tea, but 's treatment thus > > far has revolved around resting and rejuvenating her adrenals. She > > has improved a great deal, but still needs consistent > > stamina/energy. We are reluctant to over stimulate her adrenals > with > > various products because hers are exhausted to an extent. We are > > looking into other products, specifically for support and > rebuilding > > purposes. In particular, Natcell Adrenals. We are waiting for the > > info packet in the mail. We have spoken with the folks that market > > it (it is actually part of a program that Dr. Cheney in > experimenting > > with) and the gentleman there passed along a remarkable story of a > > man that had adrenal burnout to the point of being wheelchair > bound. > > After using their product he has regained 60% of his adrenal > function > > when Dr.s told him there was nothing to do that. Of course we > don't > > want stories, we want recovery. So we'll post info when we receive > > it. > > Mark and > > > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 Mark/, How do and others on the list know that your adrenals are a problem? Does suffer from hypoadrenalism? Have you had your adrenal hormone levels tested? If this is truly 's major problem why not just take hydrocortisone? thanks > Hi Adam, > We don't have experience with Bancha Tea, but 's treatment thus > far has revolved around resting and rejuvenating her adrenals. She > has improved a great deal, but still needs consistent > stamina/energy. We are reluctant to over stimulate her adrenals with > various products because hers are exhausted to an extent. We are > looking into other products, specifically for support and rebuilding > purposes. In particular, Natcell Adrenals. We are waiting for the > info packet in the mail. We have spoken with the folks that market > it (it is actually part of a program that Dr. Cheney in experimenting > with) and the gentleman there passed along a remarkable story of a > man that had adrenal burnout to the point of being wheelchair bound. > After using their product he has regained 60% of his adrenal function > when Dr.s told him there was nothing to do that. Of course we don't > want stories, we want recovery. So we'll post info when we receive > it. > Mark and > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 I just want to add that when I was first dxed w CFS my doctor put me on low dose cortef and it was just awful . The only thing worse than being tired constantly (sore throat,etc, phase 1) was being like that and amped up /exhausted at the same time. It also, even at low doses, in range w Jeffries, made my BP (like 180/110 the day I said that's enough) quite high. > Over time the adrenal glands reduce cortisol output in direct proportion to > the level of hydrocortisone supplementation. If the hydro doses are high > enough the adrenals shut down and a person becomes ian (s > disease - JFK suffered from this). This was demonstrated in an AMJ study a > few years ago and long ago by Dr. Jeffries who wrote the book on > medical use of hydrocortisone back in the 1960's. Steve B. > > > > Mark/, > > > > How do and others on the list know that your adrenals are a problem? > > Does suffer from hypoadrenalism? Have you had your adrenal > > hormone levels tested? If this is truly 's major problem why not > > just take hydrocortisone? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2001 Report Share Posted March 18, 2001 Hi Jonathon, We have utilized saliva tests, reading and research, and the knowledge of Dr. Poesnecker who has been working with the hypoadrenal patient for over 40 years. And after a year and 8 months is much improved. We wonder if there is something additionally she should be doing so we continue to learn and ponder. Generally steroid use simply atrophies the adrenals over time and would lead to dependance long term. We were more interested in naturally rejuvenating exhausted adrenals. Some have used low dose hydrocortisone in research with some success. Others say to use it on an every third day routine so as not to become dependent and avoid the pitfalls. At this point we are staying to the natural route, which does utilize Adrenal Cortical Extract to provide a little help to, in theory, allow the adrenals to rest (Dr. Poesnecker's theory). Mark and > > Hi Adam, > > We don't have experience with Bancha Tea, but 's treatment thus > > far has revolved around resting and rejuvenating her adrenals. She > > has improved a great deal, but still needs consistent > > stamina/energy. We are reluctant to over stimulate her adrenals > with > > various products because hers are exhausted to an extent. We are > > looking into other products, specifically for support and > rebuilding > > purposes. In particular, Natcell Adrenals. We are waiting for the > > info packet in the mail. We have spoken with the folks that market > > it (it is actually part of a program that Dr. Cheney in > experimenting > > with) and the gentleman there passed along a remarkable story of a > > man that had adrenal burnout to the point of being wheelchair > bound. > > After using their product he has regained 60% of his adrenal > function > > when Dr.s told him there was nothing to do that. Of course we > don't > > want stories, we want recovery. So we'll post info when we receive > > it. > > Mark and > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 In a message dated 3/19/2001 12:08:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, writes: > . At this point we are staying to the natural route, > which does utilize Adrenal Cortical Extract to provide a little help > to, in theory, allow the adrenals to rest (Dr. Poesnecker's theory). > Mark and Hi, I also have Adrenal Exhaustionm could you be more specific as to what you take , if Adrenal Cortical Extract how much do you take and where do you purchase it.Thanks, Marie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2001 Report Share Posted March 19, 2001 Hi All, A new doctor I saw prescribed Cortef -hydorcortisone (5mg/4x day) for the low cortisol on the 24 hr cortisol saliva test. He said his CFS patients have reported it works well. I did find an article on it for Cortef for CFS on immunesupport.com. Al Re: Adrenal Exhaustion > In a message dated 3/19/2001 12:08:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, > writes: > > > > . At this point we are staying to the natural route, > > which does utilize Adrenal Cortical Extract to provide a little help > > to, in theory, allow the adrenals to rest (Dr. Poesnecker's theory). > > Mark and > > Hi, I also have Adrenal Exhaustionm could you be more specific as to what > you take , if Adrenal Cortical Extract how much do you take and where do you > purchase it.Thanks, Marie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 Hi Marie, We don't suggest you self medicate when it comes to exhausted adrenals. We have leaned on Dr. Poesneckers wisdom in this area and suggest you read his website www.chronicfatigue.org. It is not as easy as taking a supplement. Understanding his approach and methods will be useful for you. We are sure there are other approaches, but his does help many folks and he has been doing it for over 40 years. Mark and > In a message dated 3/19/2001 12:08:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, > @y... writes: > > > > . At this point we are staying to the natural route, > > which does utilize Adrenal Cortical Extract to provide a little help > > to, in theory, allow the adrenals to rest (Dr. Poesnecker's theory). > > Mark and > > Hi, I also have Adrenal Exhaustionm could you be more specific as to what > you take , if Adrenal Cortical Extract how much do you take and where do you > purchase it.Thanks, Marie > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 Hi Al, Let us know how you do with it long term. Thanks, Mark and > Hi All, > A new doctor I saw prescribed Cortef -hydorcortisone (5mg/4x day) for > the low cortisol on the 24 hr cortisol saliva test. He said his CFS patients > have reported it works well. I did find an article on it for Cortef for CFS > on immunesupport.com. > Al > Re: Adrenal Exhaustion > > > > In a message dated 3/19/2001 12:08:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > @y... writes: > > > > > > > . At this point we are staying to the natural route, > > > which does utilize Adrenal Cortical Extract to provide a little help > > > to, in theory, allow the adrenals to rest (Dr. Poesnecker's theory). > > > Mark and > > > > Hi, I also have Adrenal Exhaustionm could you be more specific as to what > > you take , if Adrenal Cortical Extract how much do you take and where do > you > > purchase it.Thanks, Marie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Naomi, I first tried ace by Biomax. Than I switched to sub-adrene by American biologics because I would to take less of the solution which contained some alcohol if I used Sub-adrene.I am careful about impurities and additives as I have MCS. Sub adrene is more concentrated. You need to take 15 drops of it at full dosage level whereas you need to take 24 drops of Biomax Ace daily. And I felt better with it compared to ACE.So,I used ACE/Biomax for about two years than switched to Sub adrene.I used Sub-adrene for 3 years. I like to make changes at my supplements from time to time. There might be some problems related to a supplement and if I am taking the supplement at high dosage for long term.I am thinking that this might create a problem. I mean impurities or additives.That is what I always do. I rotate my calcium and magnesium,too. So,that is why at the beginning of this year I switched to Isocort and I am planning to take it for a while. My digestive system does not work well so that is the problem I am having with it. Other than that I have no problems. The former two are sublingual whereas isocort is in tablet form.I sometimes take little more than the top dosage to compensate and I also keep the tablets in my mouth until they completely dissolve there thinking that it would increase absorption.If I were you I would start with sub-adrene that contains only adrenal extract. It has less other ingredients than Isocort and will give you the best picture.Than if you decide that you want to continue taking adrenal cortex extracts than you may try Isocort.My opinion of course. Nil adrenal exhaustion > Hi Nil, > > You say you used Sub-adrene AND ACE AND isocourt. Why did you use all > three > adrenal extracts? Which one helped you most? Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 2000 mg and Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st-Century Stress SyndromeBevlyann <bevlyann@...> wrote: How much are you recommending daily? What is the name of the book? I must have missed that post... Re: input needed He has been taking for past month. Do you know how long it takes to kick in? Bartholomay <.Bartholomay@...> wrote: Try L-Carnitine supplementation>>> maghurtado@... 05/10/06 2:01 AM >>> Hello Groups, I have a patient that just got labs done and complains of drops in energy. He has to lie down every 3 hours from doing nothing. There are days when he just sleeps all day long from exhaustion--no source of, though. He's 63 yo, 5'5 and weighs 154#. His labs shown high in Hct/Hgb low in microalbumin, low in Ca high in testosterone-- but has no sex drive-- 1 time per month negative HIV, thyroid, chol, glu did show antibodies to CMV & EBV-but most people do anyway was not tested for iron His diet is healthful & walks daily-- any Rx? I have him taking DHEA. He does not smoke but plays billiards where he gets second hand smoke -- does not drink either. Thank you, Magnolia Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. This e-mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Section 2510-2521. This e-mail is confidential and may contain information that is privileged, or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. This e-mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Section 2510-2521. This e-mail is confidential and may contain information that is privileged, or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Been reading as suggested - situation almost certainly complicated by Adrenal Exhaustion (probably my mother too - I will never get her to take on the profession!).Haven't finished the article yet, but I have a question. Will my 200mcg thyroxine make it difficult for me to start treating with supplements.Thanks for the Dr Peatfield book suggestion via email - I will definitely search it out.Bridged - Holding down the panic, but getting campaigning angry now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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