Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 michael_vandelaar wrote: > I suggest the anti-cleanse. Eat only beneficial foods for 3 months so > that your body is getting optimal nutrition. If you are still getting > symptoms, remove a beneficial food one at a time and see if that > makes a difference. > > There's this bizarre idea that is rampant in alternative circles that > the body somehow needs a rest from doing what it's made to do. Your > gut doesn't work in isolation from the rest of your body. During > those 3 weeks how did you supply your immune system with the correct > nutrition? Did your nervous system function at 100%? > If your heart had problems like high blood pressure, would you stop > the flow of blood for 3 weeks to give it a rest? After 3 weeks, maybe > introduce white blood cells first, maybe some plasma next. > > I'm sorry if I'm getting facetious here. I've just had it with the > whole alternative fasting, cleansing business. > > Rant over. Not quite - I want to join it!!! Everything you said is spot on. " Cleanses " are a mistake. Any cell in the body without nutrients is in a state of cell death. ....I love your analogy with the heart. The rest of the body is just as dependent on nutrition. By the way - this is from your friendly full time homeopath person :-) My finding is that some alternative health professions teach too little about a lot of areas and not enough in depth on any. That is how misconceptions arise such as that any aspect of the metabolism " needs a rest " . Nothing could be further from the truth. It's like strangling the cells. They need fuel 24/7. The only cell " resting " is a dead one. It always surprises me how long it takes for people to get this. They will continue to cleanse and cleanse and cleanse - or fast (same thing) and still do not see by the unpleasant results that their bodies are getting damaged, instead of better. One can do only two things - build health or break it down. Fasting and cleansing and eating junk breaks it down. Building and repairing needs good nutrients. :-) There is such a thing as a good detoxification - but it NEVER involves a resting stage for cells. Instead one feeds special nutrients in addition to the necessary regular nutrition - such as individualized herbs - that HELP the skin, kidneys and liver with elimination of toxins - but never give cells a " rest " . In the cell world, rest and death are the same thing. So extra nutrients maybe - but from someone who knows what they are doing in their selection to suit an individual. Herbalists study for many years formally to be qualified to do that well. A good one would be a full time herbalist, not some other professional health category who " uses herbs " . I am leery of those jack of all trades alternative health people. I feel they know enough to be dangerous. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 In a message dated 7/14/2006 5:27:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: What do you suggest as a good cleanse method? Would it be wise to cleanse if you have been super naughty? Get on the BTD and eat beneficials like the other email said. The diet will detox you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 What do you suggest as a good cleanse method? Would it be wise to cleanse if you have been super naughty? Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote: michael_vandelaar wrote: > I suggest the anti-cleanse. Eat only beneficial foods for 3 months so > that your body is getting optimal nutrition. If you are still getting > symptoms, remove a beneficial food one at a time and see if that > makes a difference. > > There's this bizarre idea that is rampant in alternative circles that > the body somehow needs a rest from doing what it's made to do. Your > gut doesn't work in isolation from the rest of your body. During > those 3 weeks how did you supply your immune system with the correct > nutrition? Did your nervous system function at 100%? > If your heart had problems like high blood pressure, would you stop > the flow of blood for 3 weeks to give it a rest? After 3 weeks, maybe > introduce white blood cells first, maybe some plasma next. > > I'm sorry if I'm getting facetious here. I've just had it with the > whole alternative fasting, cleansing business. > > Rant over. Not quite - I want to join it!!! Everything you said is spot on. " Cleanses " are a mistake. Any cell in the body without nutrients is in a state of cell death. .....I love your analogy with the heart. The rest of the body is just as dependent on nutrition. By the way - this is from your friendly full time homeopath person :-) My finding is that some alternative health professions teach too little about a lot of areas and not enough in depth on any. That is how misconceptions arise such as that any aspect of the metabolism " needs a rest " . Nothing could be further from the truth. It's like strangling the cells. They need fuel 24/7. The only cell " resting " is a dead one. It always surprises me how long it takes for people to get this. They will continue to cleanse and cleanse and cleanse - or fast (same thing) and still do not see by the unpleasant results that their bodies are getting damaged, instead of better. One can do only two things - build health or break it down. Fasting and cleansing and eating junk breaks it down. Building and repairing needs good nutrients. :-) There is such a thing as a good detoxification - but it NEVER involves a resting stage for cells. Instead one feeds special nutrients in addition to the necessary regular nutrition - such as individualized herbs - that HELP the skin, kidneys and liver with elimination of toxins - but never give cells a " rest " . In the cell world, rest and death are the same thing. So extra nutrients maybe - but from someone who knows what they are doing in their selection to suit an individual. Herbalists study for many years formally to be qualified to do that well. A good one would be a full time herbalist, not some other professional health category who " uses herbs " . I am leery of those jack of all trades alternative health people. I feel they know enough to be dangerous. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 In a message dated 7/14/2006 8:45:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: What do you think about colonix? Humans have been around for a million years. Do you really think God made us so that we'd have to stick hoses up our rectums to stay healthy? Just stay on the diet. Forget all of the other stuff. In yoga, they swallow a long string with knots in it and collect it as it comes out the other end. Probably not for the bikini crowd. Keep the string, the garden hose, and the Noni juice away from me thank you. Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 danielle locke wrote: > What do you suggest as a good cleanse method? Your body is designed to " cleanse " itself if you just give it the right food - LOTS of antioxidants and no artificial anything. Use the type O diet and don't eat more carbohydrates or saturated fat than you plan to burn off before the next meal. Extras that help are fish oil supplements, VIt C, Vit E and alpha lipoic acid with biotin - those are all extra antioxidants. Antioxidants cancel toxic anything:-) Namaste, IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 >>They will continue to cleanse and cleanse and cleanse - or fast (same thing) and still do not see by the unpleasant results that their bodies are getting damaged, instead of better. **That's very interesting, my parents are mormons and they fast once a month for 12 hrs and brought us up doing it from the age of 8 also and they always said it had been shown somewhere that it was good for you - but I always felt ill as it was too long for me and I got blood sugar lows which for me leads to headaches and feeling really ill - btw, their fasting also includes no drinking all that time - even water, and that I feel is not good - especially in heat. ) http://tinyurl.com/g434u - independently certified organic personal care products. http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/ http://www.freewebs.com/amiva/ - dogs! -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 208 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 isn't that great!!! I love it. No more expensive kits. What do you think about colonix? I just cant imagine a garden hose up my exit. This lady at school swares by them Maddviking@... wrote: In a message dated 7/14/2006 5:27:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, tasdlocke@... writes: What do you suggest as a good cleanse method? Would it be wise to cleanse if you have been super naughty? Get on the BTD and eat beneficials like the other email said. The diet will detox you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 danielle locke wrote: > isn't that great!!! I love it. No more expensive kits. What do you think about colonix? I just cant imagine a garden hose up my exit. Ha ha love how you put that - My garden hoses - I am greedy and have two - are where they belong - in the garden:-) Anything " up the exit " can only damage the delicate cells there. What they need is propionate, butyrate and acetate as made by friendly bacteria - which should go in from the entry not the exit - along with their food, namely rice bran. DAILY. Starve them and yo start over, especially if you are nonsecretor. Seems harder to keep the gut bacteria healthy as a nonsecretor and something I read from D'Adamo somewhere, seems to agree. Those litle gut guys need " their daily bread " of rice bran. Beets are also good fiber sources for gut bacteria. NAmaste, IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 danielle locke wrote: > Fantastic!! Thank you Irene! Should I do anything or be concerned about not having ovaries at 32 yrs old. I hear so much about osteoperosis. I am not on anything AT ALL> No vitamins, nothing. > Sure - spinach and dandelions and asparagus and anything else with hordes of Vit K. I look at this a different way from the allopathic norm. Calcium is there in the bones. The normal thing is for it to be replaced every 10 years. that is ALL your bone cells you have nopw wetre not there ten years ago - as they are gradually replaced. Some things (like citric acid) leach the calcium out of the bone faster than normal. Other things (like Vit K) prevent it being leached out. So there are two options I see - let it leach out fast but keep putting it back with caklcium supplements that you HOPE will put it back and not just let it flush out or make kidney stones. OR keep the calcium from leaching out too fast by eating enough Vit K to keep it in the bones. I'm 57 and I do not use dairy since joining this list. Those who rememebr my joining will no doubt remember how much I kicked and screamed at giving up dairy. But I had a bone scan for osteoporosis and apparently my bones still look like those " of a 30 year old " . That was a relief after not using dairy. But I DO eat lots of Vit K, and I do so daily. I take a little bit of calcium supplement too, but bear in mind that anything antacid causes you to leach calcium - so above all avoid antacids. We O types would IMO be at higher risk for that - we NEED out stomach acid to do meat digestion. As you can imagine - Calcium antacids are a joke!! They leach more then they supply. So based on this - and/or other info - you may figure out what will work for you. By the way, the syndrome I have - inivolving very high cortisol - is supposed to make the bones worse than usual osteoporosis wise. Some people with this syndrome break ribs just coughing and break backs falling. So my good bones are really puzzling the doctors. I DO credit it to the daily high Vit K. Namaste, IRene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) " Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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