Suggestion

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, you slay me!!! Lol. Some of your latest posts have had me rolling. I

just dont understand, why have a debate board if you dont want a debate.

Welcome to clone world!! Some people are just so unwilling to let an actuall

thought invade their brains.

Christin

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At 11:29 PM 06/21/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>Just a suggestion. If we send a note that we copy to the vaccine list

>could it please be BCC (Blind Carbon Copy) that way we get a copy but

>the original person receiving does NOT know we got a copy. The last

>thing I want is some idiots coming over to our list and harassing us.

>This list is my haven from the medical/vaccine harassment of everyday

>life.

>Thanks.

>

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Yes, I noticed that someone didn't bcc it. A lot of people don't know

about that. But could always kick them off like they did me.

Sheri

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Shit, sorry, my intention was to bcc it, I guess I just missed.

S.

wrote:

> Just a suggestion. If we send a note that we copy to the vaccine list

> could it please be BCC (Blind Carbon Copy) that way we get a copy but

> the original person receiving does NOT know we got a copy. The last

> thing I want is some idiots coming over to our list and harassing us.

> This list is my haven from the medical/vaccine harassment of everyday

> life.

> Thanks.

>

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NO problem...wasn't sure if everyone knew about BCC.... Life will go on.

Shelby wrote:

>

> Shit, sorry, my intention was to bcc it, I guess I just missed.

> S.

>

> wrote:

>

> > Just a suggestion. If we send a note that we copy to the vaccine list

> > could it please be BCC (Blind Carbon Copy) that way we get a copy but

> > the original person receiving does NOT know we got a copy. The last

> > thing I want is some idiots coming over to our list and harassing us.

> > This list is my haven from the medical/vaccine harassment of everyday

> > life.

> > Thanks.

> >

> > --

> > @...

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> > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical

> > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you

> > implement that decision is yours and yours alone.

> >

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[Guest guest]

hi sophie.

i know exactly what you are going through. i was diagnosed with cp

two and a bit years ago now. i was an active player on the basketball

and football teams. i was going to the international karate

tornaments. and training three times a week sometimes more. now i am

lucky if i go swimming once a week, because of this condition. i

frequently have to take time out of work becasue of the pain. and get

quite depressed with not being able to participate in the sports that

i loved.

i am 21. but have been suffering from knee problems for about 9 years

now.

i went to the specitalist 2 months ago and am going for an mri scan

on wednesday the 1st. i have tried every thing. knee braces with the

hinges, magnets, accupuncture, hypnotherpay tapes, gels, pain

killers,ice, heat, ice gels, tens machines, massage, water massage,

accupressure, tiger balm. the list goes on...

for you some of the above might work. the problem for me is i have a

very low pain threshold.

please dont despare. here there are people who understand exactly

what you are going though.

i have been told that if nothing shows up on the scans then there is

nothing that they can do for me. and i have to give my favourite

sports a miss for the rest of my life, and i too will have to live

with the constant pain, that even plagues me in my sleep.

if you ever need to talk or vent your frustraions, you can email me ,

or vent to the group. many times this group has helped me when i have

been at my lowest.

were here for you.

Bellana1@...

[Guest guest]

Yes good Idea

janers OHIO

[Guest guest]

good idea! I hope I remember

J.C.

Colorado

-----Original Message-----From: MaggWho@... [mailto:MaggWho@...]Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:58 PMachalasia Subject: SuggestionI personally find it very hard to remember all the membersanymore and where each one are located. B. calledattention to the fact that there is more than one . Iwould like to see everyone sign there e-mail with their nameand location. It should would help me keep tract.What do you think?MaggAlabama

[Guest guest]

Kathy and others:

This is a good idea. The problem right now is that the process is somewhat different depending on the operating system and version of Excel you are using, and with some (e.g. Windows XP) it doesn't appear to make any difference what you do.

We are working on a way of overcoming these problems, but I'm dependent on Alvarez-Correa, who adapted my files, and he's doing all this for free.

Hopefully, if a lot of you respond to the poll, we'll get enough information to be able to determine the best way to go.

Pete

-----Original Message-----From: Kathy [mailto:kalex@...]Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: Suggestion

Pete,I thought it might be helpful if you had directions for people to download your files(forms) to a disc and then directions to install them from a disk to another computer. I did this for a couple of people that have internet at home but need the files at work so they can't just download them following your directions. Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the information notan.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

.... Is there research being done with DNA with people having Achalasia, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and Lou Garrick's to see if there is a gene that is the root cause of people having these diseases. Just a though.

Yes, all of these diseases and many other

neurological diseases have been and are being studied for genetic

factors. There are databases of genes and alleles which relate them to

diseases. When a gene if found to be a factor in a disease the

researchers can check the database and see how that gene is connected

to other diseases.

Swallowing is a problem with Parkinson's. There is another similarity

of achalasia to Parkinson's, Lewy bodies. Lewy bodies are sometimes

seen in achalasia, but not always. It is thought that they may just be

some sort of garbage collection in damage nerves, and that due to too

much distention of the esophagus, too often for too long, the nerves

are damaged. Lewy bodies in the brain would of course be from other

kinds of damage. The fact that only some achalasics have Lewy bodies

may imply that there is more of a connection between the two diseases

in these cases, but as far as I know this is not known.

You may have noticed in the article on electrical stimulation of the

vagus nerve that the researchers caused achalasia in the opossums by

putting a band around the esophagus. The band caused a restriction that

caused the esophagus to distend when the opossums ate. In time there

was permanent nerve damage. So, if the Lewy bodies are garbage

collections due to damage, it could just be the damage from distention

that causes them in the esophagus. However, some with achalasia also

have Lewy bodies in other areas typical of Parkinson's. It could be

that in these cases achalasia was the main symptom of an undiagnosed

Parkinson's.

notan

Esophageal Lewy bodies associated with

ganglion cell loss in achalasia.

Similarity to Parkinson's disease.

Qualman SJ, Haupt HM, Yang P, Hamilton SR.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=6088351 & dopt=Abstract

or

http://tinyurl.com/59khw

Repetitive proximal esophageal

contractions:

a new

manometric finding and

a possible further link between Parkinson's

disease and achalasia.

ston BT, Colcher A, Li Q, Gideon RM, Castell

JA, Castell DO.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=11453565 & dopt=Abstract

or

http://tinyurl.com/5slm7

[Guest guest]

Hello Notan:

Have you found anything relating Achalasia to PTOSIS? I can't find

anything. I had that question on the board. You were one of the

people I hoped might know.

Thanks in advance, just in case!!

Kathie in Pittsburgh

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , So funny you should say what you just did, because I have

been thinking the same thing, that if this is a neurological disorder

is there a bigger picture here. That I should get checked out by a

neurologist and also for autoimmune disease to see if this is

secondary to something else. You were saying that you didn't think

this was hereditary. I had read somewhere that achalasia can be

hereditary, because my daughter and I talked about it. i'm not sure

if that is what you meant or that what your grandma had wasn't

hereditary. Anyhow I'm glad you brought the subject up!

>

> I want to pass on some more information and possibly a

suggestion

> for everyone. My grandmother had some swallowing problems too.

The

> first thing that the doctors found was called Zenker's Diverticulum

> Zenker's Diverticulum - Otolaryngology Houston . See link. Then

she

> continued to have problem even after the surgery to fix that.

> Eventually a neurologist was called in and he figured out that she

> had Parkinson's disease but it was not typical Parkinson's. He

> classed it as Atypical Parkinson's. She never had the shaking like

> most people get with Parkinson's. Hers settled in her throat. At

> first she had a hard time eating and as it progressed she lost the

> ability to talk and in the end she had a stomach tube in so she

could

> eat. Also my great uncle, may grandmothers brother, started having

> problems eating he died from complications from pneumonia. Both my

> grandmother and her brother died in there early 80's and with n the

> last couple of years. I am 33 and have been dealing with Achalasia

> for about 15 years now. They say that this is not hereditary but

> looking at my family history I just have to wonder. Today I am

going

> to try to talk to my family doctor and see if there is a

neurologist

> here if not then I will see if I can get one involved when I go see

> the specialist on Wednesday. I think it might be a good idea to

have

> all of us see if we can get a neurologist involved with our

> Achalasia. I was also thinking if there is someone out there doing

a

> combined research on linking other disease to a gene. I have a

> feeling that this is a lot bigger (or SMALLER) than we know about

> right now. Is there research being done with DNA with people

having

> Achalasia, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and Lou Garrick's to see if

there

> is a gene that is the root cause of people having these diseases.

> Just a though.

>

> in Suffolk

[Guest guest]

Great Idea, . I was in a group that did something like this.

Like 8 glasses of water or no soda.

*~*Tammy*~*

> Okay, everyone knows that I'm pretty much a newbie and I

understand

> that. I try to look at every single post trying to suck up all

the

> information I can into my brain.

>

> My suggestion is this, and we could already be doing it and me not

> know it, is to have 1 day challenges. Of course, these wouldn't

be

> weight related. But, I do know that a 1wk, 2 wk, or even 3 wk...

> can be too much of a challenge sometimes if not all the time.

>

> So, what if we had daily challenges like:

>

> No fatty foods

> Have at least 3 servings of vegetables

>

> you know all those little things that we are supposed to do but

are

> hard to do.

>

> Let me know if I should shut my mouth.

> Thanks,

> Lynn

[Guest guest]

> My suggestion is this, and we could already be doing it and me not

> know it, is to have 1 day challenges.

A number of ladies are doing personal challanges. Pat, who is currently

off-line with computer troubles, was avoiding sugar, one day at a time.

Others, like Faye, are trying to get in healthy eating and exercise, one day

at a time. Before that one of her daily goals was to enter all her foods in

FitDay, a daily goal a few others have.

> So, what if we had daily challenges like:

>

> No fatty foods

> Have at least 3 servings of vegetables

Whatever helps is fine!

> Let me know if I should shut my mouth.

Never! That's what this list is FOR, to offer and receive support from each

other!

So, would you like to start up a challenge? If so, let 'er rip! What would

you like us all to achieve tomorrow (Friday)?

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

Let's see - I have a very hard one (at least for me it will be). No caffeine for Friday. Now this is coming from a lady that drinks 3 Rt 44 drinks from Sonic everyday. That's 132 oz. of Coke a day. But, if I could do it for one then maybe I could do it for two.

So, no caffeine for Friday

LynnSue in NJ <susang3@...> wrote:

So, would you like to start up a challenge? If so, let 'er rip! What wouldyou like us all to achieve tomorrow (Friday)?Sue in NJ100-Plus Files page 100-plus/files100-Plus Links page 100-plus/links

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[Guest guest]

super idea Lynn

Okay, everyone knows that I'm pretty much a newbie and I understand

that. I try to look at every single post trying to suck up all the

information I can into my brain.

My suggestion is this, and we could already be doing it and me not

know it, is to have 1 day challenges. Of course, these wouldn't be

weight related. But, I do know that a 1wk, 2 wk, or even 3 wk...

can be too much of a challenge sometimes if not all the time.

So, what if we had daily challenges like:

No fatty foods

Have at least 3 servings of vegetables

you know all those little things that we are supposed to do but are

hard to do.

Let me know if I should shut my mouth.

Thanks,

Lynn

100-Plus Files page 100-plus/files

100-Plus Links page 100-plus/links

[Guest guest]

Yep, can do that! Are there any articles I've sent recently that you'd like me to put an explanation to?

Qadoshyah

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From: Down Syndrome Treatment [mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of Kathy RatkiewiczSent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:05 AMDown Syndrome Treatment Subject: SUGGESTION

If at all possible, when people send in abstracts to the listserv, could you (and I know I haven’t done this either, but I will start) please include a brief, simple summary of what the article is saying? I can understand the ones I send (most of the time;-) but some of the very technical ones go right over my head, so I am really not getting any benefit from them.

From: Down Syndrome Treatment [mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of and BehnkeSent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:59 AMDown Syndrome Treatment Subject: Re: Refluxkids: beware of zinc deficiency due to use of PPIs (Prilosec etc.)

God Bless you for sending this. IT is simple and easyto understand!!!!! Thank you Thank you!!!!--- gldcst <gldcstcomcast (DOT) net> wrote:> Acid-Reducing Drug Nutrient Depletion> > > > > > > > > > Proton Pump Inhibitors1> > Omeprazole (Prilosec®)> > Lansoprazole (Prevacid®)> > Pantoprazole (Protonix®)> > Rabeprazole (Aciphex®)> > Esomeprazole (Nexium®)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Histamine2 Antagonists> Cimetidine (Tagamet®)> > Famotidine (Pepcid®)> > Nizatadine (Axid®)> > Ranitidine (Zantac®)> > > > > > > > Vitamin B121, 10,11,12> > Depletion of vitamin B12 includes: Fatigue,> Peripheral Neuropathy, Tongue and mouth> irregularities, Macrocytic anemia (abnormally> enlarged red blood cells), Depression, confusion and> memory loss (especially in the elderly), Poor blood> clotting and easy bruising, Dermatitis and skin> sensitivity, Loss of appetite, Nausea, and Vomiting.> > Beta-Carotene1, 13> > Beta-carotene depletion may cause a weaker immune> system, and cancer. > > > Vitamin B12 1, 2 > > Anemia, tiredness, weakness, peripheral neuropathy,> tongue and mouth irregularities, enlarged red blood> cells (macrocytic anemia), depression, confusion,> memory loss, poor blood clotting or easy bruising,> dermatitis, skin sensitivities, loss of appetite,> nausea, vomiting > > Folic Acid 1, 3 > > megaloblastic anemia, birth defects, cervical> dysplasia, elevated homocysteine, headache, fatigue,> hair loss, anorexia, insomnia, diarrhea, nausea,> increased infections> > Iron 1, 4 > > Menstrual bleeding, pagophagia (consuming large> quantities of ice), hypochlorhydria, diarrhea,> intestinal inflammation, hair loss> > Calcium 1, 6, 7 > > Rickets, osteoporosis, magnesium deficiency,> intestinal inflammation increased phosphorus> ingestion (with soft drinks etc.), increased> caffeine intake, excess dietary fat and fiber, lack> of exercise.> > Vitamin D 1, 8> > Rickets, low dietary Vitamin D intake, limited sun> exposure, kidney or liver malfunctions,> osteoporosis, osteomalacia, hearing loss, muscle> weakness, severe tooth decay, phosphorus retention> > Zinc 1 > > Acne, impaired sense of taste and smell, delayed> wound healing, anorexia, decreased immunity,> frequent infections, depression, photophobia, night> blindness, skin, hair, and nail problems, menstrual> problems, joint pain, involuntary eyeball movements> (nastagmuas).> > > > > > > Beta-Carotene1,5: No RDA has been established. Most> common supplemental dose is 25,000 IU/day. Dosage> range is 5000-30,000 IU/day. Sources include> colored fruits and vegetables (yellow, orange and> red). No known toxicities; carotenosis, orange> coloring of the skin, appears at large doses.> > > > Vitamin B12: 100-2000 mcg/d; Oral supplements are> not well absorbed. Intramuscular injection is best.> Food sources include organ meats, clams, oysters,> beef, eggs, milk, chicken, and cheese. > Contraindicated in patients with hypersensitivity to> cyanocobalamin, cobalt, or a hereditary optic nerve> atrophy. Avoid use in premature infants. An> intradermal test dose should prior to initial dose. > Use IM shots only when treating pernicious anemia.> > > Folic Acid: 200-800 mcg/d; severely deficient need> 5000-10000 mcg/d. Food sources include Dark green> leafy vegetables, brewer's yeast, liver, eggs,> beets, broccoli, Brussel sprouts, orange juice,> cabbage, cauliflower, cantaloupe, kidney and lima> wheat germ, whole grain cereals and breads. > Contraindications are pernicious, aplastic, or> normocytic anemias. Pernicious anemia may be masked> and irreversible nerve damage may progress with> doses >0.1mg/day. Alcoholism, depressed> hematopoiesis, and other vitamin deficiencies may> cause resistance to treatment.> > > > Iron: 10-50 mg/d elemental iron; Sources include> LIVER, organ meats, fish, poultry, dried beans,> vegetables, dried fruits, nuts, whole grain cereals> and breads. Contraindications are hemochromatosis> and hemolytic anemia. Avoid administration of iron> >6 months in patients with bleeding, monorrhagia,> repeated pregnancies. Caution in patients with> peptic ulcer disease, enteritis, or ulcerative> colitis.> > > > Calcium: 800-2000 mg/d of elemental calcium; Milk> and dairy products, dark green leafy vegetables,> broccoli, legumes, nuts, and whole grains are> excellent sources of calcium. Contraindications are> hypercalcemia, renal calculi, and hypophosphatemia. > Absorption may be altered in achlorhydria. There is> an increase in gastric acid with in two hours> following administration.> > > > Vitamin D: 200-800 IU/d; No significant amount in> many foods. There are small amounts in butter,> cream, egg yolks, and liver. Milk with added> vitamin D is the most common source in the United> States. Contraindications are hypercalcemia or> evidence of vitamin D toxicity. Administer with> great caution in patients with decreased renal> function, heart disease, renal stones, or> atherosclerosis. Maintain good fluid intake.> > > > Zinc: 10-50 mg/d; Sources include lean meats,> liver, eggs, seafood (especially oysters), and whole> grain cereal and breads An undiluted injection into> a peripheral vein will result in phlebitis, tissue> irritation, and increased renal loss of minerals. > Zinc administration without copper may result in> decrease plasma levels. HDL may increase and immune> system function may be impaired with excessive> doses.> >__________________________________________________________> > > > 1. Pelton R., La Valle JB, Hawkins EB, et al.> Drug === message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Just pick one and go for it;-)

That way, we all learn something. There have been a lot of articles that I

have found/seen posted that I have to go through them word by word, looking up

the definitions before I could understand what in the world they are talking

about. Others, I can understand without a problem. But if it is too hard, and I

am particularly busy that day, I just move on (I am not talking about the

articles that YOU send, just in general when I come across an article that it

really hard to wade through)

So, it would help me (and I am sure there are others here with the same

problem) if there were some short “Cliff’s Notes’ sort of thing

for some of these abstracts.

KathyR

From: Down Syndrome Treatment [mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of Hoppin' Herd of Hares

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:55

PM

Down Syndrome Treatment

Subject: RE:

SUGGESTION

Yep, can do that! Are

there any articles I've sent recently that you'd like me to put an

explanation to?

Qadoshyah

*Got Down

Syndrome?

www.gotdownsyndrome.net

From: Down Syndrome Treatment [mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ] On Behalf Of Kathy Ratkiewicz

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 9:05

AM

Down Syndrome Treatment

Subject:

SUGGESTION

If at all possible,

when people send in abstracts to the listserv, could you (and I know I

haven’t done this either, but I will start) please include a brief,

simple summary of what the article is saying? I can understand the ones I send

(most of the time;-) but some of the very technical ones go right over my head,

so I am really not getting any benefit from them.

From: Down Syndrome Treatment

[mailto:Down Syndrome Treatment ]

On Behalf Of and

Behnke

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:59

AM

Down Syndrome Treatment

Subject: Re:

Refluxkids: beware of zinc deficiency due to use of

PPIs (Prilosec etc.)

God Bless

you for sending this. IT is simple and easy

to understand!!!!! Thank you Thank you!!!!

--- gldcst <gldcstcomcast (DOT) net>

wrote:

> Acid-Reducing Drug Nutrient Depletion

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate,

There is already provision for recipes in the database section.

Thanks,

Marilyn

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:53 AM, kate20082002 <Wonderzzz@...> wrote:

>

> Hi, everyone! I haven't been making kefir very long and have found the

> group's messages helpful. I do have one suggestion (and you all let me

> know what you think). After making kefir a few days, I started having

> more than I knew what to do with. It probably can be used in various

> ways, but I couldn't find any recipes. Occasionally members will share

> how they are making something, but if we don't copy the instructions

> immediately, it can be difficult to locate their message later. Marilyn,

> would it be possible to create a folder labeled " RECIPES " in the " Files "

> section on the home page and let any member who wishes put their own

> recipe (which they have used and know will work) in the file for

> members' use? Maybe you would also want to give us a file for " BASIC

> GUIDELINES FOR MAKING KEFIR, " etc.? Thank you very much for your

> consideration.

>

> Kate

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure if this got posted. Chuck has suggested we need to express more

outrage - which I think is right. Here are his suggestions which give the

subject heading a bit of 'edge'

Victims Against Thyroid Abuse

Thyroid Malpractice Victims

Stop Thyroid Quackery

[Guest guest]

I would go for one of these, I think he's right. None of the other

ones really feel right.

Jean

" Sheila " <sheila@...> wrote:

Not sure if this got posted. Chuck has suggested we need to express more

outrage - which I think is right. Here are his suggestions which give

the subject heading a bit of 'edge'

> Victims Against Thyroid Abuse

> Thyroid Malpractice Victims

[Guest guest]

I agree! They need to know that you are a force to be reckon with and

that, YES, you are angry. Also that you have many in numbers. Victims

Against Thyroid Abuse is excellent.

Venizia

>

> Not sure if this got posted. Chuck has suggested we need to express more

> outrage - which I think is right. Here are his suggestions which

give the

> subject heading a bit of 'edge'

>

> Victims Against Thyroid Abuse

>

> Thyroid Malpractice Victims

>

> Stop Thyroid Quackery

>

[Guest guest]

I think 'edge' is needed but I really dont think we should be referring to ourselves as victims as I think this is demeaning and the wrong mindset. We need to be Warriors, campaigners, seekers, fighters - dont we?

Gill

Gill

I would go for one of these, I think he's right. None of the other ones really feel right.Jean"Sheila " <sheila@...> wrote:Not sure if this got posted. Chuck has suggested we need to express moreoutrage - which I think is right. Here are his suggestions which give the subject heading a bit of 'edge'> Victims Against Thyroid Abuse> Thyroid Malpractice Victims

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