Re: changing over too armour.

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Hi x

Welcome.

Cannot say Armour is for everyone. 300mg of thyroxine is quite big by comparison

to what I was on, and I am up to 3 1/4 grains of armour instead of 175mg

thyroxine, however you cannot work it out like that I know, just making an

observation.

Can you post your latest bloods?

Low T3 made me feel like the pits, I had high T4 also.

Anyway the way I went on to Armour I wouldn't do again. I stopped the thyroxine

for a week before starting and slowly raising the armour and I went so hypo it

was terrible. I also went mental at a certain dose but it was because I had low

adrenal function, and armour contains active T3.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

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Hi

Can

you post your last thyroid function test results and the reference range for

each test so we can see what might be happening.

The

approximate dosage you cold work out as follows:

60mg of Armour

is the same as 1 grain, which contains 36mcg of T4 and 9mcg of T3. Since

T3 is four times more active than T4, the T3 equivalent is 36mcg.

Therefore one grain of natural thyroid is “equivalent” to 72mcg of

T4.

Therefore

a patient stabilised on 75mcg of synthetic T4 could easily be swapped to one

grain of biologically identical hormone. Because T3 has a short half

life, this is given in two doses daily.

Hope this

helps you work it out. Also, go to our FILES section in the forum web site and

click on the FOLDER 'Armour Thyroid' and then open the file entitled 'How to

use natural thyroid extract' and that will tell you how you should take Armour.

When I stopped my levothyroxine only, I stopped one day, and started straight

on 1 grain of Armour. I was on 125 mcgs levothyroxine then. You need to start

slowly because your body needs to get used to the active hormone T3, plus indeed,

T2 and T1 that are also in Armour along with calcitonin. I would increase again

by half a grain of Armour in a couple of weeks if you have no adverse

reactions, and again by another half grain. Wait another 3 to 4 weeks before

increasing again. Give your body time to get used to these new hormones and

enzymes it has not been used to for a long time.

I would

not go down the road of decreasing your thyroxine and adding a bit of Armour,

it takes ages to do it that way, and I don't think it is an easy route to take.

I have never heard of anybody who did that way successfully without problems

arising somewhere along the line.

If you

were having problem with Armour before, this could be because you have another

associated condition that can go hand in hand with hypothyroidism and you need

to get these treated first. This could be because you have low adrenal reserve

or systemic candidiasis. If you have, no amount of Armour is going to work

until you get these treated. Healthy adrenals are required to help convert T4

to T3. Can you get the 24 hour salivary adrenal profile done through Genova

Diagnostics www.gdx.uk.net

before you start Armour. This test will tell you where your cortisol and DHEA

are at four specific times during the day. We can then take it from there

depending upon the result. Also, do ask your GP to test your blood to see if

any of the following are low in the reference range. Ferritin (stored iron),

Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, zinc, copper and magnesium. Again, if any of these are

low, your cells will not be able to absorb the hormones in Armour and you will

have problems again, so if any of these need supplementing, do this first

before starting Armour - then when everything is boosted and back where it

should be, Armour should work.

Luv -

Sheila

could anyone help me understand how i change from thyroxine

over too armour?

i am on 300 mg of thyroxine and still have a very low t3 and feel dreadfull.

how can i do it extreamly gradually?

do i drop a small dose of thyroxine and add some armour then wait 4 weeks for

the drop to register then add a bit more and drop some more thyroxine?

i did try armout 10 years ago and after 6 loverly weeks it made me mental and

very ill,the same happened last year on t3.

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When I stopped my levothyroxine only, I stopped one day,

> and started straight on 1 grain of Armour. I was on 125 mcgs levothyroxine

> then. You need to start slowly because your body needs to get used to the

> active hormone T3, plus indeed, T2 and T1 that are also in Armour along with

> calcitonin. I would increase again by half a grain of Armour in couple of

> weeks if you have no adverse reactions, and again by another half grain.

>

> Hi

Sheila also gave me this advice and it worked for me. After 15 years on

Levothyroxine I stopped my 175 mcgs one day and next day I took 1 grain of

Armour.

This was 11 weeks ago and I have slowly increased to 2 and three quarter grains

of Armour. I had a little blip when I increased to 3 grains and felt hyper and

on edge so I reduced the dose down to 2 and half grains for four days and then

just increased by a quarter.

I feel great, best thing I have ever done. I couldn't have done it with out the

support and advice from everyone on the forum.

Best Wishes

Judy

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Hi ,

See the instructions in the files written by Dr. P and if you

are nervous just leave it longer between increases. There may have been

a reason such as adrenal issues that meant that you could not tolerate

before.see files again. You can't really compare Armour and T4 because

although you can do the math it doesn't work that way unless you can

convert T4 to T3, and if you can then you wouldn't need the Armour in

the first place! Personally I would follow ( adrenals willing) the

instructions, but leave it longer between increases. But if you go too

slow then you can go too far downhill and undermedicated- tricky

balancing act!

Subject: changing over too armour.

could anyone help me understand how i change from thyroxine over too

armour?

i am on 300 mg of thyroxine and still have a very low t3 and feel

dreadfull.

how can i do it extreamly gradually?

do i drop a small dose of thyroxine and add some armour then wait 4

weeks for the drop to register then add a bit more and drop some more

thyroxine?

i did try armout 10 years ago and after 6 loverly weeks it made me

mental and very ill,the same happened last year on t3.

does this mean for me armour will never help me?

x

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practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

>

>

>

> Can you post your last thyroid function test results and the reference range

> for each test so we can see what might be happening.

>

>

>

> The approximate dosage you cold work out as follows:

>

> 60mg of Armour is the same as 1 grain, which contains 36mcg of T4 and 9mcg

> of T3. Since T3 is four times more active than T4, the T3 equivalent is

> 36mcg. Therefore one grain of natural thyroid is " equivalent " to 72mcg of

> T4.

>

> Therefore a patient stabilised on 75mcg of synthetic T4 could easily be

> swapped to one grain of biologically identical hormone. Because T3 has a

> short half life, this is given in two doses daily.

>

> Hope this helps you work it out. Also, go to our FILES section in the forum

> web site and click on the FOLDER 'Armour Thyroid' and then open the file

> entitled 'How to use natural thyroid extract' and that will tell you how you

> should take Armour. When I stopped my levothyroxine only, I stopped one day,

> and started straight on 1 grain of Armour. I was on 125 mcgs levothyroxine

> then. You need to start slowly because your body needs to get used to the

> active hormone T3, plus indeed, T2 and T1 that are also in Armour along with

> calcitonin. I would increase again by half a grain of Armour in a couple of

> weeks if you have no adverse reactions, and again by another half grain.

> Wait another 3 to 4 weeks before increasing again. Give your body time to

> get used to these new hormones and enzymes it has not been used to for a

> long time.

>

> I would not go down the road of decreasing your thyroxine and adding a bit

> of Armour, it takes ages to do it that way, and I don't think it is an easy

> route to take. I have never heard of anybody who did that way successfully

> without problems arising somewhere along the line.

>

> If you were having problem with Armour before, this could be because you

> have another associated condition that can go hand in hand with

> hypothyroidism and you need to get these treated first. This could be

> because you have low adrenal reserve or systemic candidiasis. If you have,

> no amount of Armour is going to work until you get these treated. Healthy

> adrenals are required to help convert T4 to T3. Can you get the 24 hour

> salivary adrenal profile done through Genova Diagnostics

> <http://www.gdx.uk.net> www.gdx.uk.net before you start Armour. This test

> will tell you where your cortisol and DHEA are at four specific times during

> the day. We can then take it from there depending upon the result. Also, do

> ask your GP to test your blood to see if any of the following are low in the

> reference range. Ferritin (stored iron), Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, zinc,

> copper and magnesium. Again, if any of these are low, your cells will not be

> able to absorb the hormones in Armour and you will have problems again, so

> if any of these need supplementing, do this first before starting Armour -

> then when everything is boosted and back where it should be, Armour should

> work.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

> could anyone help me understand how i change from thyroxine over too armour?

>

> i am on 300 mg of thyroxine and still have a very low t3 and feel dreadfull.

>

> how can i do it extreamly gradually?

> do i drop a small dose of thyroxine and add some armour then wait 4 weeks

> for the drop to register then add a bit more and drop some more thyroxine?

>

> i did try armout 10 years ago and after 6 loverly weeks it made me mental

> and very ill,the same happened last year on t3.

>

>

>

>

>

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thank you all for youre help my last 2 blood test was.......

april 10 weeks on 275mg thyroxine...t3..3.8== 3.0-6.2

t4...18.7-- 12.0-22

tsh...0.02== 0.4-4.0

upped thyroxine too 300 after 6 weeks tested

t3...3.2----3.0-6.2

t4...15.00--12.0-22.0

tsh....0.01-- 0.4-4.0

so my levels have dropped dispite the increase.

does anyone know why this would happed?

tanya.x

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Hi ,

In the last ten years there have been some updates of the research base that

indicate many people with psychiatric disorders may have steroid hormone

imbalances as between glucococorticoids ( cortisol etc) and mineralococorticoids

(aldosterone etc), in particular, the receptors in the brain to these two

steroid types ~ the glucocorticoid receptors and the mineralcocorticoid

receptors. (?Lightman et al 2008)

Improvements to adrenal function may help stabilise the response to thyroid

hormones.

Careful adjustment of adrenal function may indeed help convert to Armour or a T3

containing regime, but slowly.

Check the TPAUK website for conversion factors for Levothyroxine to Armour (or

similar).

best wishes

Bob

>

> could anyone help me understand how i change from thyroxine over too armour?

>

> i am on 300 mg of thyroxine and still have a very low t3 and feel dreadfull.

>

> how can i do it extreamly gradually?

> do i drop a small dose of thyroxine and add some armour then wait 4 weeks for

the drop to register then add a bit more and drop some more thyroxine?

>

> i did try armout 10 years ago and after 6 loverly weeks it made me mental and

very ill,the same happened last year on t3.

>

> does this mean for me armour will never help me?

>

> x

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Have you had the 24 hour adrenal profile done to see where your cortisol and

> DHEA levels are at four specific times during the day, if you are suffering

> with low adrenal reserve, it is likely that your thyroid hormone replacement

> is not getting absorbed and this could also be happening if any of the

> following are low in the reference range: Ferrition,B12, Vitamin D3,

> magnesium, zinc and copper. You can ask your GP to test the last five but

> would need to get the 24 hour adrenal test done privately through Genova

> Diagnostics. Go to our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk and check out 'Associated

> Conditions' under 'Hypothyroidism' and read up about these and their

> connection to hypothyroid disease.

>

>

>

> What ha\s your doctor said about these results?

>

>

>

> Luv -Sheila

>

>

> >

> thank you all for youre help my last 2 blood test was.......

>

> april 10 weeks on 275mg thyroxine...t3..3.8== 3.0-6.2

>

> t4...18.7-- 12.0-22

>

> tsh...0.02== 0.4-4.0

> upped thyroxine too 300 after 6 weeks tested

>

> t3...3.2----3.0-6.2

>

> t4...15.00--12.0-22.0

>

> tsh....0.01-- 0.4-4.0

>

> so my levels have dropped dispite the increase.

>

> does anyone know why this would happed?

>

> tanya.x

>

>

>

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ive lost faith in the drs and my endo because they go by the tsh only.

i do take hc for my adrenals but dont feel any benifit from it.

.x

[Guest guest]

>

> - you probably need to add in some synthetic T3 as you are obviously

> not converting the mainly inactive T3 to T3. It is the T3 that keeps your

> body and brain functioning, not T4. Ask your GP to give you a trial of

> lyothyronine and if he refuses, ask to be referred to another

> endocrinologist - somebody who specialises in thyroid disease and not

> diabetes. Would you be prepared to write out your thyroid story for me and

> tell me what you have gone through from the start and what you have been

> prescribed to date?

>

> Also how much HC are you taking and when was it last increased?

>

>

i did try t3 a year ago and went sooo crazy i had to have immergency psyciatric

care,i was then on 20 mg hc,so im scared of that happening again,especially as i

didnt know exactly why that happend.

do some people react badly too t3?

.x

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

>

> You probably went " crazy " trialling T3 because your adrenals were not up to

> it. If you have low adrenal reserve you cannot absorb the thyroid hormones

> properly and would get the adverse reactions associated with toxicity. Your

> adrenals are needed to help convert the mainly inactive hormone T4 to the

> active hormone T3. Other conditions that stop your thyroid hormones from

> being absorbed and therefore causing such awful reactions when taking them

> are systemic candidiasis, low B12, ferritin, vitamin D3, magnesium, zinc

> and copper. Ask your GP to test these - and have you been taking only 20 mgs

> HC for a year. You might need to increase this dose by 5 mgs and this might

> help. Others who are taking HC may be able to help you with this better than

> I, as I have never had to take it. Perhaps then you should start back on

> just 10mcgs T3, split twice daily and after 2 to 3 weeks, if no adverse

> reaction, increase by another 10mcgs. You shouldn't get those unpleasant

> symptoms you had a year ago because your adrenals should now be in a much

> better state to cope. However, do ensure us that you have been taking the

> 20mcgs of HC daily for the past year first.

>

> Luv - Sheila

> >

> > Also how much HC are you taking and when was it last increased?

>

> >

> >

> i did try t3 a year ago and went sooo crazy i had to have immergency

> psyciatric care,i was then on 20 mg hc,so im scared of that happening

> again,especially as i didnt know exactly why that happend.

>

> do some people react badly too t3?

> .x

>

>

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>yes i was on the 20mg last year when i tried t3 but am now taking 35mg

daily.how do you know youre on enough?

.x