very swollen ankles

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I don't fully understand all of this, but would this explain being on Armour & then switching to NT and feeling weird.Like when I exercise, I have severe muscle weakness andquivering, and a strong heartbeat.All of which I didn't have before Armour on NT.AliOn Jul 17, 2009, at 5:03 PM, ejojunk wrote:It can take 8-12 weeks to clear RT3, sometimes more, sometimes less. What can happen is you suddenly start to feel VERY hypER and this means that your receptors have cleared and you will need to reduce your thyroid dosage. You can also have labs drawn to see if your RT3 levels have decreased. Be aware, though, that your serum RT3 may be dropped to acceptable levels, but your receptors may not have cleared yet. This happened to me. I did new labs and my FT3/RT3 ratio was great, so I transitioned back to Armour. After being on Armour a while, I did new labs and the RT3 was back. So now I'm back on T3. Sooo, this time I'm going to stay on the T3 for a while longer even after labs show serum levels are okay. Heck, depending on how I feel on it, I may just stay on it permanently as the RT3 may have returned due to some issue that I haven't as yet identified that's causing me to keep converting T4 to RT3.ka>> Thanks ,How will I know when I've cleared RT3 and wether I should stop> taking T3?> Are there specific symptoms or lack of symptoms to be aware of?>

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Re: "real salt lowers BP. " (Diane's message):

Not always. My blood pressure day to day is 110/70, much to the astonishment of any doctors (I am over weight so they expect it to be high)..

When I salt load with the iodine, it goes up (the highest I've seen it is 140/80). If I quit the iodine, I quit doing the salt loading and it drops back down.

I wish I had money for Dr. B's salt book. I would like to read more but for now, what I know for sure is that when I salt load, it goes up. I am using Celtic Sea Salt, it is not processed.

I probably wouldn't have noticed because since it is always spot on textbook, it's not even been on my radar to check it but....I've had an injury and every time I go to the doctor's office they take it. On days I've salted it's definitely up and on days I've not, it's definitely normal (for me). I'm puzzled by that because I had read that salt really isn't a factor....but? Tressler Healthy Transitions Life Coaching 541-791-1464 Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch.com).

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well i take bp meds and i need it since my bp is all over the place otherwise. in fact i want to check on vit's that you take with magnesium. i am sick of foot cramping. and i am hydrated. i drink till i could float a battle ship. do you know if you need to take calcium with it? does calcium help with cramping? thanks. diane, near philly, pa On Jul 18, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Tressler wrote:Re: "real salt lowers BP. " (Diane's message): Not always. My blood pressure day to day is 110/70, much to the astonishment of any doctors (I am over weight so they expect it to be high).. When I salt load with the iodine, it goes up (the highest I've seen it is 140/80). If I quit the iodine, I quit doing the salt loading and it drops back down. I wish I had money for Dr. B's salt book. I would like to read more but for now, what I know for sure is that when I salt load, it goes up. I am using Celtic Sea Salt, it is not processed. I probably wouldn't have noticed because since it is always spot on textbook, it's not even been on my radar to check it but....I've had an injury and every time I go to the doctor's office they take it. On days I've salted it's definitely up and on days I've not, it's definitely normal (for me). I'm puzzled by that because I had read that salt really isn't a factor....but? Tressler Healthy Transitions Life Coaching 541-791-1464 Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch.com).

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Hey, Elyse... Your T4 is low because you're suppressing it intentinally by taking T3 only... This is what you'd expect to see on labs at this point and it's fine. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 17, 2009, at 12:06 PM, mec <macedgeca@...> wrote:

Thanks a,I had a blood test recently and it showed I had low T4. I don't know if that matters, is it ok for it to be low?ElyseOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM, ejojunk <ejojunk@...> wrote:

Elyse, any T4 you take would be converted to RT3 rather than FT3, so that's why you avoid T4 meds when trying to get rid of RT3.

ka

[Guest guest]

Hi  DaddyBob,I haven't heard of L-ascorbic acid before, I haven't noticed it on any labels either.  I'll see if I can try some and hopefully this will be more helpful.I would like C that is non-corn, what is the source of the vitamin C you use?

ElyseOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM, <ransley@...> wrote:

If you are talking about taking ascorbic acid alone then you are probably

only utilizing 10% of what you take plus it only stays in your body for

about an hour. If you are not taking L-Ascorbic Acid, or a C product that

was made with the L molecule, then you are not getting the right stuff. I

can't say if taking anything else caused your problem but my gut feeling is

that you have enliven your body by taking iodine and it may have quickly

used up all its Vitamin C performing its own maintenance.

However, there is one product that we have not tried and seems very

impressive and we hope to try before too long: Livon Labs Liposomal C. I

don't know where else it is sold but the Vitamin C Foundation has it.

We currently only use the L-Ascorbic Acid from the VCF because it is non GMO

and non corn. The L is important! There are four molecular forms of Ascorbic

Acid but only the L form prevents scurvy.

We never take L-AA straight, we mix it with either sodium bicarbonate or

potassium bicarbonate, 50/50, add water, stir and drink before it stops

fizzing. This makes fresh sodium ascorbate or potassium ascorbate. That

stays in your system for about 4 hours.

DaddyBob

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I agree on this. I was on Diuretics for over 20 years for idiopathic edema.

> > Started using Redmans sea salt and the edema went away and no more

> > diuretics. Kicking myself for not knowing this. So many fight it because of

> > what the doctors tell them about salt being bad for you. The right kind of

> > salt is good for you. People think I am crazy when I tell them this.

> > Irritates me when doctors do this kind of thing to people. GGGGRRRRR

> >

> > Chris

> >

>

I take a lot of diuretics for congested heart failure, have

just started on the good salts, how long before you think I could tell

the difference and get off the diurectis....how much salt do you take.

I made (soul) and take 1/2 tsp. in a glass of water every morning, plus put

plenty on my food.

Thanks, Violet

[Guest guest]

Violet I do not have congestive heart failure so hate to advise on that.

When I had the edema I started sprinkling some of the salt on my hand and

licking it off. I kept on the diuretics but cut my dose in half. I did not

measure anything. The lady that was helping me with other health issues told me

to keep taking in the salt until I could taste it on my skin. Weird I know. She

said to lick my arm. Even weirder. If I was getting enough salt into me I could

taste the salt on my skin. I think it was about a week. then I went all the way

off the diuretics and the swelling in my legs was gone. Never had any more

trouble with it.

I think I was also drinking more water when I started on the salt. Just be sure

it is not the mixed sea salt. The Redmonds I had was powdered and sort of pink.

I ran out and got some other and it is not as good. I need to order the Redmonds

again.

A little history. I am also low thyroid.For 25+ years. Edema came at the same

time. Went through a HUGE stress factor and then all this body stuff started to

happen to me. I felt like I was dying. So weird when I had been a super hyper

person before.So skinny. Now I am so fat. Sigh.

Also as a child adoptive father had heart trouble and was to be on low or no

salt diet so adoptive mother never salted anything so I was not used to any salt

in anything. From the time I was brought home I was on a low or no salt diet. So

did this set me up?? Who knows. I had to acquire a taste for it and it was not

easy. Now I love it but it has to be the real salts not Mortons salt. I have

been off the diuretics for over 4 years now. A very good thing. I was on

Hydrochlorizide 25MG one a day sometimes two. Potassium as needed.

Chris

Re: very swollen ankles

> >

> > I agree on this. I was on Diuretics for over 20 years for idiopathic edema.

> > Started using Redmans sea salt and the edema went away and no more

> > diuretics. Kicking myself for not knowing this. So many fight it because of

> > what the doctors tell them about salt being bad for you. The right kind of

> > salt is good for you. People think I am crazy when I tell them this.

> > Irritates me when doctors do this kind of thing to people. GGGGRRRRR

> >

> > Chris

> >

>

I take a lot of diuretics for congested heart failure, have

just started on the good salts, how long before you think I could tell

the difference and get off the diurectis....how much salt do you take.

I made (soul) and take 1/2 tsp. in a glass of water every morning, plus put

plenty on my food.

Thanks, Violet

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[Guest guest]

I wonder how much iodine you take and if you are on thyroid meds?

gracia

Tressler wrote:

>

>

> Re: " real salt lowers BP. " (Diane's message):

>

> Not always. My blood pressure day to day is 110/70, much to the

> astonishment of any doctors (I am over weight so they expect it to be

> high)..

>

> When I salt load with the iodine, it goes up (the highest I've seen it

> is 140/80). If I quit the iodine, I quit doing the salt loading and

> it drops back down.

>

> I wish I had money for Dr. B's salt book. I would like to read more

> but for now, what I know for sure is that when I salt load, it goes

> up. I am using Celtic Sea Salt, it is not processed.

>

> I probably wouldn't have noticed because since it is always spot on

> textbook, it's not even been on my radar to check it but....I've had

> an injury and every time I go to the doctor's office they take it. On

> days I've salted it's definitely up and on days I've not, it's

> definitely normal (for me). I'm puzzled by that because I had read

> that salt really isn't a factor....but?

>

> Tressler

> Healthy Transitions Life Coaching

> 541-791-1464

>

> Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet

> or shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch.com).

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

For what it's worth, a quick help with leg and foot cramps is eating beets. I

keep some canned beets and jars of cooked unseasoned beets in cupboard for those

middle of the night cramping emergencies. Although, if you prefer them pickled

or seasoned, it doesn't seem to make any difference. I just try to minimize

whatever negative variables may come with eating anything processed or canned.

I just sit down and eat about one can of beets. Eating them regularly with

cooked meals or in salads is a great preventive. I prefer to use fresh, organic

and prepare them various ways myself.

But in the middle of the nite, when I haven't had them in a while, and I'm

really struggling with a major cramp, this helps. It also reminds me to get

back to eating them regularly and that I'm still dealing with deficiencies.

D'Ann

>

> Diane,

>  

> Leg cramps can be caused by lacking any one or combination of:

>  

> Calcium

> Magnesium

> Potassium

> Vitamin D

>  

> All of those must be in balance.  If I get low in any one, I get leg cramps

that are horrific. 

>  

> To alleviate cramps, try:

>  

> Tonic water (quinine in it helps)

> Epson salts baths (magnesium in it helps)

> 1/2 bananna (potassium)

>  

> I take supplements as well.  I have to take calcium because I am gluten and

casein intolerant and have had problems getting enough (malnourished from the

CD).  In addition, I learned that if you don't have enough vitamin D, your body

cannot absorb calcium and when that was added things got better for me.

[Guest guest]

Hi there. My computer has been

acting up so I haven’t been on in a few days. Sorry about that!

It seems that others have already

answered, but I figured I’d add my thoughts just for support.

When taking T3, you should raise very

slowly and make sure your adrenals are well supported. If you get heart

racing, shakes, anxiety, you are taking too much T3 or your adrenals need more

support. It’s a bit of a balancing act. I was feeling great,

but had started getting the shakes, heart racing and anxiety out of the

blue. My Free T3 was 761! That’s a bit much! Having it

in the low 600’s while on just T3 is fine for most people. If you

are otherwise feeling good, then maybe you just need more adrenal support

(cortsiol).

You may or may not notice when RT3 has

finally cleared. Some see all their weird symptoms go away all of a

sudden, and some it’s so gradual they don’t notice. Testing

is the only way to know, but if you have an underlying infection or liver

issues or other problem that will make RT3 high again, it will come back if you

introduce T4 to your system. Mostly I’d watch for the shakes, heart

racing/beating hard and anxiety. You can take your temperature per Dr.

Rind’s method to keep track of how you are doing. (http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph)

Yes, it takes usually at least 8-12 weeks

to clear RT3. Mine didn’t even after 4-5 months. It seems I

have some underlying problem that has not been figured out so I will remain on T3!

I tried to switch to Armour and it just made things worse! T3 is working,

so I’ll just keep taking it!

Redmond’s Real Salt seems to be the favored salt. I’m on

a lot of different kinds of ‘health’ boards, and it seems that

everyone prefers it over all the others. I believe the main reason is

some of the others come from our very polluted oceans so you may be getting

some contaminants. Redmond’s

comes from an ‘antediluvian’ mine so it has none of the

contaminates of the ‘ocean’ ones.

Redmond’s is great for blood pressure! Some people’s BP

will go up initially while taking it, but will level out in the end. There

are a few that can’t take it, but they are very rare. It is

fantastic for the adrenals! Someone said that you should not think of Redmond’s as salt,

but as a naturally made mineral supplement! It has many trace elements

and such that the body needs.

I think that was it. This is a very

knowledgeable group! I’m glad I joined!

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of mec

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:54

PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: very

swollen ankles

Thanks

,

How will I know when I've cleared RT3 and wether I should stop taking

T3?

Are there specific symptoms or lack of symptoms to be aware of?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM, <vegasmomof3> wrote:

Yes, it’s ok for T4

to be low if you are just taking T3. T4 is converted to T3 or RT3, and if

you have high RT3 you shouldn’t take any T4 because (like ka said) it

will convert to RT3. You don’t want that! And it’s ok

if your T3 is well above the range. Since you aren’t taking T4 for

back up, it is actually better if it’s high (low 600’s where 420 is

the top of the scale).

[Guest guest]

Hi DaddyBob,

I haven't heard of L-ascorbic acid before, I haven't noticed it on any

labels either. I'll see if I can try some and hopefully this will be more

helpful.

I would like C that is non-corn, what is the source of the vitamin C you

use?

Elyse

Elyse- If Ascorbic Acid does not say L-Ascorbic Acid, then it is not the

correct form. Overwhelmingly, the Ascorbic Acid you will find will simply

say Ascorbic Acid. If a manufacturer has gone to the trouble of selling the

L- form, you can be sure they will say so. It is actually hard to find.

I use the product from the Vitamin C Foundation but you can find that

product if you search hard enough from other sources; it is " Quali-C " . To

get the best price from the VCF you have to go on standing order but you can

do that and then cancel anytime. We usually do it until we have a few

bottles on hand then we cancel for a while. They are very good to work with.

Again I want to emphasize and agree with others here that you must get

bioflavanoids to be getting the best use of C.

Something about salt too- for those having trouble with salt causing

swelling or BP gain, you just need to take in as much C as you do salt to

get this under control, at least usually that's how it works for us and we

both take and eat a LOT of salt, Redmond, Jeveda and others. I eat some sea

salts with nothing else but water. I nearly died from cardiac arrest a few

summers ago from experimenting with bad advice to decrease salt. I learned

my lesson but good. I really agree with the lady who said GRRRRRR!! about

salt.

One more thing- we experimented extensively with Inclined Bed Therapy and

had great results against edema with it. I had invisible edema in my knees

that was causing bad pain. This was before we learned enough about C to stop

al our edema. We still sleep at a 3.5 " incline though.

DaddyBob

[Guest guest]

the vitamin d can be done by 5 minutes a day in the sun, right? i am sick of these. i will say i feel stiff during the night, then when i stretch my foot or sometimes just move it, i get the cramps. i have had them in the muscles between the knee and the groin. THEY are awful. they are the most painful. but it is almost everyday. i can't take it ... maybe i should call for potassium pillls. thanks. diane, near philly, pa On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:56 PM, Tressler wrote:Diane, Leg cramps can be caused by lacking any one or combination of: CalciumMagnesiumPotassiumVitamin D All of those must be in balance. If I get low in any one, I get leg cramps that are horrific. To alleviate cramps, try: Tonic water (quinine in it helps)Epson salts baths (magnesium in it helps)1/2 bananna (potassium) I take supplements as well. I have to take calcium because I am gluten and casein intolerant and have had problems getting enough (malnourished from the CD). In addition, I learned that if you don't have enough vitamin D, your body cannot absorb calcium and when that was added things got better for me. Tressler Healthy Transitions Life Coaching 541-791-1464 Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch.com).

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epsom salts. does it get absorbed by the feet? diane, near philly, pa On Jul 19, 2009, at 12:33 AM, james fry wrote:Ms. Tressler. What do you figure is a maximal dosage for using Epsom salts as a source to replenish blood mg?Cups/galLength of soakfreq. etc.Thanks. JimFrom: Tressler <kartrss >Subject: Re: very swollen anklesiodine Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 11:56 PM Diane, Leg cramps can be caused by lacking any one or combination of: CalciumMagnesiumPotassiumVitamin D All of those must be in balance. If I get low in any one, I get leg cramps that are horrific. To alleviate cramps, try: Tonic water (quinine in it helps)Epson salts baths (magnesium in it helps)1/2 bananna (potassium) I take supplements as well. I have to take calcium because I am gluten and casein intolerant and have had problems getting enough (malnourished from the CD). In addition, I learned that if you don't have enough vitamin D, your body cannot absorb calcium and when that was added things got better for me. Tressler Healthy Transitions Life Coaching 541-791-1464 Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch. com).

[Guest guest]

Thanks DaddyBob,I will look for the L-ascorbic acid.  When you say have as much Vit C as salt, how do you know how much salt that is?  1/4 tsp salt would be how many mg?Elyse

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:17 PM, <ransley@...> wrote:

 

Elyse- If Ascorbic Acid does not say L-Ascorbic Acid, then it is not the

correct form. ...

I use the product from the Vitamin C Foundation but you can find that

product if you search hard enough from other sources; it is " Quali-C " .  

Something about salt too- for those having trouble with salt causing

swelling or BP gain, you just need to take in as much C as you do salt to

get this under control 

[Guest guest]

I've tried IBT as well.  For me it did not help, I know it does work for others so I tried i for along time to see if it would eventually.  Never did, my legs still hurt.  Elyse

On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:17 PM, <ransley@...> wrote:

 

One more thing- we experimented extensively with Inclined Bed Therapy and

had great results against edema with it. I had invisible edema in my knees

that was causing bad pain. This was before we learned enough about C to stop

al our edema. We still sleep at a 3.5 " incline though.

DaddyBob

[Guest guest]

No necessarily Diane. If you have the wrong skin type or missing some other nutrient your body may not be able to make it. Jim

Diane,

Leg cramps can be caused by lacking any one or combination of:

Calcium

Magnesium

Potassium

Vitamin D

All of those must be in balance. If I get low in any one, I get leg cramps that are horrific.

To alleviate cramps, try:

Tonic water (quinine in it helps)

Epson salts baths (magnesium in it helps)

1/2 bananna (potassium)

I take supplements as well. I have to take calcium because I am gluten and casein intolerant and have had problems getting enough (malnourished from the CD). In addition, I learned that if you don't have enough vitamin D, your body cannot absorb calcium and when that was added things got better for me. Tressler Healthy Transitions Life Coaching 541-791-1464 Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch. com).

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Gracia,

I am on between 75 and 100 mg. I'm kind of pulsing because I'm working my way to 100 mg per day (I think). I will do the Iodine/Bromine loading test this coming weekend.

I am not on thyroid mediciation. Depending on the results of my loading test, I may borrow money to go to a doc if I can find a good one in OR who does iodine. I'm tired of feeling low energy and since I work in a pool I'm very concerned about the toxicity of chlorine.

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Meletis in Beaverton does iodine. I met him at the Iodine conference which was hosted by the Institute for Healthy Aging - the ones who sponsored the conference. He is an NMD so he can do all MDs can but from a natural / holistic point. He is a sweet guy. I co-moderated the Professional Iodine group with him. His contact info is on my website www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

Steph

Re: very swollen ankles

Gracia,

I am on between 75 and 100 mg. I'm kind of pulsing because I'm working my way to 100 mg per day (I think). I will do the Iodine/Bromine loading test this coming weekend.

I am not on thyroid mediciation. Depending on the results of my loading test, I may borrow money to go to a doc if I can find a good one in OR who does iodine. I'm tired of feeling low energy and since I work in a pool I'm very concerned about the toxicity of chlorine.

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[Guest guest]

>pretty close to a gram or 100 milligrams<

Typo- should have said 1000 milligrams. DB

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I'm sorry for the delay. It's summer and I work at a pool....with a couple hundred teens. You can extrapolate from that what my month has been like. LOL....

You can get potassium without a script at your local health food store..

You really cannot rely on the sun for vitamin D unless you live in the south. I live in Oregon and even this summer am taking them. We've had a weird year and as many cool/cold days as hot ones. On overcast days you can't get enough. On a nice sunny day, you need 15 minutes minimum. If you live where there is sun, try 20 minutes a day if you can get it without burning. See if you don't notice a difference after a few days. I can tell a big difference when I get it from sun over when I take it as a vitamin. My skin processes it much more effectively.

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