very swollen ankles

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I think I figured out my ankles really swell when I take iodine.  When I did the iodine loading test I took 50mg and my ankles swelled (one more than the other).  Today both my feet are swollen and both my ankles are very swollen. I just realized that I've been having iodized salt the last several days, and I increased it because of the heat. 

Does anyone else get this from taking iodine?  What can I do now to reduce the swelling?Elyse

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Iodized salt ..as in regular table salt? Are you able to purchase some sea salt?

If you are using regular table salt .. I would say that yes .. it probably does have to do with that. In my opinion (and many others) it's just not good for you.

Just my thoughts,

Glo

Hi Elyse,

Just thought I'd check to see if you are drinking enough water. I tend to have this problem during warmer weather.. while on iodine, and I think it has to do with detoxing. If I make sure that I drink a lot of water, my toes (where I feel it) no longer have that "thick" feeling in the mornings.

Best,

Glo

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to be honest, no. i had it under control till a couple years ago and i thought it was just that i gained a few pounds. then i had my thyroid out last week and it was amazing. i had no joint pain, and my legs and ankles are down to normal size. i don't eat a lot of salt, i drink iced coffee or water or tea, other than that, i don't know what to say. ya know, now that you are asking me, i had gotten to the point that i was taking two diuretics a day, and had done for years, i had to cut back to one since i couldn't stay out of the bathroom. and even with the one, i was going every 20 minutes. one doctor said that is what diuretics are for. i told him they were interfering in my life and he didn't want to hear it. i was really peeved. i told him i would stop them altogether if it didn't quit. he told me i could go into congestive heart failure, and i told him, oh well. this isn't living. it is just going to the bathroom. i couldn't go anywhere after i took one of them for about 5 hours. since i have had my thyroid out, even that seems to have slowed down to a livable amt. i am going to have to really check it out, but it was really awful. they think it is funny. it isn't. but to reduce the retention and swelling, keep your legs up as much as possible, but other than that, i am sorry. i just don't know. diane, near philly, pa On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:07 PM, mec wrote:Do you know what can help reduce it the swelling?On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 2:40 PM, diane gaul <ditiquecomcast (DOT) net> wrote: i have had an issue with swollen ankles and legs since i was 16. the plain water does flush you out. ify ou drink soda or anything like that if you have a tendancy to swell, you will swell. salt will cause swelling as it causes you to retain fluid. or certain health issues will cause water retention.diane, near philly, pa

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Ankle swelling is bromide detox - or bromide building up in the bodyclogging the liver and not able to leave the body.You really need to salt load, take a liver cleanse dailyand decrease the iodine.My sister and I went through this and spent a lotof time and money trying to figure out why we had swollenankles, joint pain etc.Two alternative docs. told me it was a clogged liver.I really recommend Ultraclear plus PH -Pineapple,Daily. Even though it is expensive it works betterthan Dandilion, Milk Thistle and NAC, combined.AliOn Jul 16, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Glory wrote:Hi Elyse, Just thought I'd check to see if you are drinking enough water. I tend to have this problem during warmer weather.. while on iodine, and I think it has to do with detoxing. If I make sure that I drink a lot of water, my toes (where I feel it) no longer have that "thick" feeling in the mornings. Best,Glo From: mec <macedgecagmail>Subject: very swollen anklesiodine Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:53 AM I think I figured out my ankles really swell when I take iodine. When I did the iodine loading test I took 50mg and my ankles swelled (one more than the other). Today both my feet are swollen and both my ankles are very swollen. I just realized that I've been having iodized salt the last several days, and I increased it because of the heat. Does anyone else get this from taking iodine? What can I do now to reduce the swelling?Elyse

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Ali,Do you think because I took the iodine it did something with the bromide?Do you mean you think I should take more salt?Elyse

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Alison Trotta-Marshall <rubyrain11@...> wrote:

  Ankle swelling is bromide detox - or bromide building up in the body

clogging the liver and not able to leave the body.You really need to salt load, take a liver cleanse dailyand decrease the iodine.

My sister and I went through this and spent a lotof time and money trying to  figure out why we had swollenankles, joint pain etc.Two alternative docs. told me it was a clogged liver.

I really recommend Ultraclear plus PH -Pineapple,Daily. Even though it is expensive it works betterthan Dandilion, Milk Thistle and NAC, combined.Ali

[Guest guest]

Iodine detox's bromide from your body which is a good thing. But you need to take a slew of companionvitamins and a liver cleanse to help it leave your body.Read this site:naturalthyroidchoices.comThis site owner has everything youshould know about taking iodine on that site.Take celtic salt using the salt loading directions on that site orathttp://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.htmlunder salt loading protocol.You salt load when you have the detox symptoms,which it sounds like you have.AliOn Jul 16, 2009, at 3:45 PM, mec wrote:Ali,Do you think because I took the iodine it did something with the bromide?Do you mean you think I should take more salt?ElyseOn Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Alison Trotta-Marshall <rubyrain11sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote: Ankle swelling is bromide detox - or bromide building up in the bodyclogging the liver and not able to leave the body.You really need to salt load, take a liver cleanse dailyand decrease the iodine.My sister and I went through this and spent a lotof time and money trying to figure out why we had swollenankles, joint pain etc.Two alternative docs. told me it was a clogged liver.I really recommend Ultraclear plus PH -Pineapple,Daily. Even though it is expensive it works betterthan Dandilion, Milk Thistle and NAC, combined.Ali

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Thanks Ali,I'll give it a try.  On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Alison Trotta-Marshall <rubyrain11@...> wrote:

 

Iodine detox's bromide from your body which is a good thing. But you need to take a slew of companionvitamins and a liver cleanse to help it leave your body.

Read this site:naturalthyroidchoices.comThis site owner has everything youshould know about taking iodine on that site.

Take celtic salt using the salt loading directions on that site orathttp://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html

under salt loading protocol.You salt load when you have the detox symptoms,which it sounds like you have.Ali

On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:45 PM, mec wrote:

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My wife had problems with lower leg and ankle edema for years until we

discovered the Carey Reams lemon water protocol.

Upon rising, juice a small lemon, preferably organic, combine juice with 9

times that much pure (non-chlorinated) water, room temp on the water, not

cold, and drink it on an empty stomach. Wait 15-30 minutes before ingesting

anything else. Edema is scurvy. This cured her problem. She/we do it 5-6

days a week.

She is presently taking lots of iodine, both Magnascent and Lugol's and that

has not affected her ankles at all. She has not had the ankle edema at all

since doing the lemon protocol.

However- adding any salt, such as the salt loading suggested here for

bromine detox, did initially cause her to swell all over, but it was a good

swell, made her sparkle, and now her body has adjusted to it. Salt should be

balanced with vitamin C.

DaddyBob

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Scurvy?  Somehow maybe the iodine or salt uses up vitamin C?I did take extra yesterday and today because I had a feeling it should help.  I normally take 7500mg per day. so I probably had 10,000 these last two day, hope that's not too much.

ElyseOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM, <ransley@...> wrote:

 

My wife had problems with lower leg and ankle edema for years until we

discovered the Carey Reams lemon water protocol.

Upon rising, juice a small lemon, preferably organic, combine juice with 9

times that much pure (non-chlorinated) water, room temp on the water, not

cold, and drink it on an empty stomach. Wait 15-30 minutes before ingesting

anything else. Edema is scurvy. This cured her problem. She/we do it 5-6

days a week.

She is presently taking lots of iodine, both Magnascent and Lugol's and that

has not affected her ankles at all. She has not had the ankle edema at all

since doing the lemon protocol.

However- adding any salt, such as the salt loading suggested here for

bromine detox, did initially cause her to swell all over, but it was a good

swell, made her sparkle, and now her body has adjusted to it. Salt should be

balanced with vitamin C.

DaddyBob

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how often is salt loading done? just once? diane, near philly, pa On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:29 PM, <ransley@...> wrote:My wife had problems with lower leg and ankle edema for years until wediscovered the Carey Reams lemon water protocol.Upon rising, juice a small lemon, preferably organic, combine juice with 9times that much pure (non-chlorinated) water, room temp on the water, notcold, and drink it on an empty stomach. Wait 15-30 minutes before ingestinganything else. Edema is scurvy. This cured her problem. She/we do it 5-6days a week.She is presently taking lots of iodine, both Magnascent and Lugol's and thathas not affected her ankles at all. She has not had the ankle edema at allsince doing the lemon protocol.However- adding any salt, such as the salt loading suggested here forbromine detox, did initially cause her to swell all over, but it was a goodswell, made her sparkle, and now her body has adjusted to it. Salt should bebalanced with vitamin C.DaddyBob

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Ali,Do you remember how much Ultraclear you went through?   Was one container enough or did you have to stay on it for a while?ElyseOn Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Alison Trotta-Marshall <rubyrain11@...> wrote:

I really recommend Ultraclear plus PH -Pineapple,Daily. Even though it is expensive it works better

than Dandilion, Milk Thistle and NAC, combined.Ali

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Yes, it’s ok for T4 to be low if you

are just taking T3. T4 is converted to T3 or RT3, and if you have high RT3 you

shouldn’t take any T4 because (like ka said) it will convert to RT3. You

don’t want that! And it’s ok if your T3 is well above the range. Since

you aren’t taking T4 for back up, it is actually better if it’s

high (low 600’s where 420 is the top of the scale).

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of mec

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:07

AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: very

swollen ankles

Thanks a,

I had a blood test recently and it showed I had low T4. I don't

know if that matters, is it ok for it to be low?

Elyse

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM, ejojunk <ejojunk > wrote:

Elyse, any T4 you take would be converted to RT3

rather than FT3, so that's why you avoid T4 meds when trying to get rid of RT3.

ka

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Thanks ,How will I know when I've cleared RT3 and wether I should stop taking T3?Are there specific symptoms or lack of symptoms to be aware of?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:31 PM, <vegasmomof3@...> wrote:

 

Yes, it’s ok for T4 to be low if you

are just taking T3.  T4 is converted to T3 or RT3, and if you have high RT3 you

shouldn’t take any T4 because (like ka said) it will convert to RT3.  You

don’t want that!  And it’s ok if your T3 is well above the range.  Since

you aren’t taking T4 for back up, it is actually better if it’s

high (low 600’s where 420 is the top of the scale).

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Elyse, you'll know when you have too much C as you'll get diarrhea.  It's a different amount for everyone and will even vary in you from day to day depending on how much extra your body feels it needs.  For instance, now you're making it work harder, so it requires more.

~WOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:05 PM, mec <macedgeca@...> wrote:

 

Scurvy?  Somehow maybe the iodine or salt uses up vitamin C?I did take extra yesterday and today because I had a feeling it should help.  I normally take 7500mg per day. so I probably had 10,000 these last two day, hope that's not too much.

Elyse

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Diane, I salted every time I noticed detox symptoms, sometimes 4-5x a day.~WOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 

how often is salt loading done? just once?

diane, near philly, pa On Jul 17, 2009, at 12:29 PM, <ransley@...> wrote:

My wife had problems with lower leg and ankle edema for years until wediscovered the Carey Reams lemon water protocol.

Upon rising, juice a small lemon, preferably organic, combine juice with 9times that much pure (non-chlorinated) water, room temp on the water, notcold, and drink it on an empty stomach. Wait 15-30 minutes before ingesting

anything else. Edema is scurvy. This cured her problem. She/we do it 5-6days a week.She is presently taking lots of iodine, both Magnascent and Lugol's and thathas not affected her ankles at all. She has not had the ankle edema at all

since doing the lemon protocol.However- adding any salt, such as the salt loading suggested here forbromine detox, did initially cause her to swell all over, but it was a goodswell, made her sparkle, and now her body has adjusted to it. Salt should be

balanced with vitamin C.DaddyBob

[Guest guest]

>Scurvy? Somehow maybe the iodine or salt uses up vitamin C?I did take extra

yesterday and today because I had a feeling it should help. I normally take

7500mg per day.<

If you are talking about taking ascorbic acid alone then you are probably

only utilizing 10% of what you take plus it only stays in your body for

about an hour. If you are not taking L-Ascorbic Acid, or a C product that

was made with the L molecule, then you are not getting the right stuff. I

can't say if taking anything else caused your problem but my gut feeling is

that you have enliven your body by taking iodine and it may have quickly

used up all its Vitamin C performing its own maintenance.

There is much much more to taking and utilizing vitamin C no matter what the

ing devotees say about ascorbic acid. When you eat or drink the juice of

fresh fruit (or high-c veggies) you are getting the full spectrum of C and

bioflavanoids. We never got the results of taking any kind of C product that

we got from the Reams protocol and eating other fresh fruits.

However, there is one product that we have not tried and seems very

impressive and we hope to try before too long: Livon Labs Liposomal C. I

don't know where else it is sold but the Vitamin C Foundation has it.

We currently only use the L-Ascorbic Acid from the VCF because it is non GMO

and non corn. The L is important! There are four molecular forms of Ascorbic

Acid but only the L form prevents scurvy.

We have had some AWFUL experiences with other sources. Bad vitamin C can

make you really sick. We also won't take Ester C or any calcium ascorbate.

We never take L-AA straight, we mix it with either sodium bicarbonate or

potassium bicarbonate, 50/50, add water, stir and drink before it stops

fizzing. This makes fresh sodium ascorbate or potassium ascorbate. That

stays in your system for about 4 hours.

DaddyBob

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but if you have high blood pressure or anything like that, doesn't it affect your pressure???. wow. 5 x a day. diane, near philly, pa On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, wendy 56789 wrote:Diane, I salted every time I noticed detox symptoms, sometimes 4-5x a day.~WOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM, diane gaul <ditiquecomcast (DOT) net> wrote: how often is salt loading done? just once?diane, near philly, paOn Jul 17, 2009, at 12:29 PM, <ransleyatmc (DOT) net> wrote:My wife had problems with lower leg and ankle edema for years until wediscovered the Carey Reams lemon water protocol.Upon rising, juice a small lemon, preferably organic, combine juice with 9times that much pure (non-chlorinated) water, room temp on the water, notcold, and drink it on an empty stomach. Wait 15-30 minutes before ingestinganything else. Edema is scurvy. This cured her problem. She/we do it 5-6days a week.She is presently taking lots of iodine, both Magnascent and Lugol's and thathas not affected her ankles at all. She has not had the ankle edema at allsince doing the lemon protocol.However- adding any salt, such as the salt loading suggested here forbromine detox, did initially cause her to swell all over, but it was a goodswell, made her sparkle, and now her body has adjusted to it. Salt should bebalanced with vitamin C.DaddyBob

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I can't speak to that as my blood pressure is on the low side of normal.  I was using unrefined sea salt, which is actually pretty healthy for your body.  I'd say proceed with caution if you feel you should.  I didn't end up salting like that very many days in a row, but I'm unsure of how that might affect your pressure, so do what you feel is safe for you.

~WOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:22 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 

but if you have high blood pressure or anything like that, doesn't it affect your pressure???.  wow. 5 x a day. 

diane, near philly, pa On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, wendy 56789 wrote:

Diane, I salted every time I noticed detox symptoms, sometimes 4-5x a day.~W

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM, diane gaul <ditique@...> wrote:

 how often is salt loading done? just once?

diane, near philly, pa

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thanks diane, near philly, pa On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:25 PM, wendy 56789 wrote:I can't speak to that as my blood pressure is on the low side of normal. I was using unrefined sea salt, which is actually pretty healthy for your body. I'd say proceed with caution if you feel you should. I didn't end up salting like that very many days in a row, but I'm unsure of how that might affect your pressure, so do what you feel is safe for you.~WOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:22 PM, diane gaul <ditiquecomcast (DOT) net> wrote: but if you have high blood pressure or anything like that, doesn't it affect your pressure???. wow. 5 x a day. diane, near philly, paOn Jul 17, 2009, at 6:13 PM, wendy 56789 wrote:Diane, I salted every time I noticed detox symptoms, sometimes 4-5x a day.~WOn Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:06 PM, diane gaul <ditiquecomcast (DOT) net> wrote: how often is salt loading done? just once?diane, near philly, pa

[Guest guest]

It can take 8-12 weeks to clear RT3, sometimes more, sometimes less. What can

happen is you suddenly start to feel VERY hypER and this means that your

receptors have cleared and you will need to reduce your thyroid dosage. You can

also have labs drawn to see if your RT3 levels have decreased.

Be aware, though, that your serum RT3 may be dropped to acceptable levels, but

your receptors may not have cleared yet. This happened to me. I did new labs

and my FT3/RT3 ratio was great, so I transitioned back to Armour. After being

on Armour a while, I did new labs and the RT3 was back. So now I'm back on T3.

Sooo, this time I'm going to stay on the T3 for a while longer even after labs

show serum levels are okay. Heck, depending on how I feel on it, I may just

stay on it permanently as the RT3 may have returned due to some issue that I

haven't as yet identified that's causing me to keep converting T4 to RT3.

ka

>

> Thanks ,How will I know when I've cleared RT3 and wether I should stop

> taking T3?

> Are there specific symptoms or lack of symptoms to be aware of?

>

[Guest guest]

I have read that one of the causes of high RT3 is too much cortisol.

Dianne

>

> It can take 8-12 weeks to clear RT3, sometimes more, sometimes less. What can

happen is you suddenly start to feel VERY hypER and this means that your

receptors have cleared and you will need to reduce your thyroid dosage. You can

also have labs drawn to see if your RT3 levels have decreased.

>

> Be aware, though, that your serum RT3 may be dropped to acceptable levels, but

your receptors may not have cleared yet. This happened to me. I did new labs

and my FT3/RT3 ratio was great, so I transitioned back to Armour. After being

on Armour a while, I did new labs and the RT3 was back. So now I'm back on T3.

Sooo, this time I'm going to stay on the T3 for a while longer even after labs

show serum levels are okay. Heck, depending on how I feel on it, I may just

stay on it permanently as the RT3 may have returned due to some issue that I

haven't as yet identified that's causing me to keep converting T4 to RT3.

>

> ka

>

[Guest guest]

There are lots of known causes of RT3 and I'm sure many others that we don't

know about. Some of the causes I've read about are high or low cortisol, low

ferritin, autoimmune disorders, exposure to environmental toxins, infections,

high levels of stress, hormone inbalances, extreme dieting, nutrient

deficiencies,poor liver function and any chronic illness or stress.

ka

>

> I have read that one of the causes of high RT3 is too much cortisol.

>

> Dianne

>

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I agree on this. I was on Diuretics for over 20 years for idiopathic edema.

Started using Redmans sea salt and the edema went away and no more diuretics.

Kicking myself for not knowing this. So many fight it because of what the

doctors tell them about salt being bad for you. The right kind of salt is good

for you. People think I am crazy when I tell them this. Irritates me when

doctors do this kind of thing to people. GGGGRRRRR

Chris

Re: Re: very swollen ankles

real salt lowers BP. there is more info somewhere--maybe Brownstein's

book on salt which I don't have.

http://www.drbrownstein.com

allopathic docs confuse ppl about salt b/c they specialize in disease

maintenance not health care.

gracia

diane gaul wrote:

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> affect your pressure???. wow. 5 x a day.

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Is the Redmond's salt any better for edema and bp than celtic or himalayan?ElyseOn Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Maggie Tucker <missmaggieelizabeth@...> wrote:

I agree on this. I was on Diuretics for over 20 years for idiopathic edema. Started using Redmans sea salt and the edema went away and no more diuretics. Kicking myself for not knowing this. So many fight it because of what the doctors tell them about salt being bad for you. The right kind of salt is good for you. People think I am crazy when I tell them this. Irritates me when doctors do this kind of thing to people. GGGGRRRRR

Chris

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I really do not know because I have not used the others. I have just used the Redmond's. I have not had any more edema since and no more diuretics and it has nee over 4 years now!!1 Yippieeeee. I believe the edema is cured.I was never a person to eat much salt. Now I do salt my food a little and enjoy it. I believe the salt from the shelf in the store is bad for you. so do not try it.ChrisFrom: mec

<macedgeca@...>iodine Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:38:05 AMSubject: Re: Re: very swollen ankles

Is the Redmond's salt any better for edema and bp than celtic or himalayan?ElyseOn Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Maggie Tucker <missmaggieelizabeth@...> wrote:

I agree on this. I was on Diuretics for over 20 years for idiopathic edema. Started using Redmans sea salt and the edema went away and no more diuretics. Kicking myself for not knowing this. So many fight it because of what the doctors tell them about salt being bad for you. The right kind of salt is good for you. People think I am crazy when I tell them this. Irritates me when doctors do this kind of thing to people. GGGGRRRRR

Chris