Re: Developing a goiter on right side

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Hi Ellie,

What all supps are you taking ? Perhaps you need more (or less) of something? Or

something else to help with detox.

I personally think its better to have a continuous dosage of iodine rather than

flucuation, but not everyone needs that.

50mg may be too much to start with for you, or it may be too little. Or you

arent taking enough companion supps for 50mg. You might try a lower dosage

first, but on a continual regular daily basis.

Your adrenals may be messed up too. I know when i was having adrenal issues my

moods were weird (mostly just annoyed and grouchy!). I have been having really

good luck with a product called Calm and Calmer. It is something i have used for

years for my son but only started it myself cause i read that the Rhodiola e

was good for adrenals. And it, with regular salt and more C really seem to fix

it.

Try to keep positive thoughts! It will get better, just have to find the right

balance your body needs!

More magnesium and a brisk walk in cold night air or a hot bath can really help

with detox roller coaster symptoms.

Cheryl

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You have a lot of detox going on with that list of supps.I was bout to ask about

the C and SE!

Are you taking Milk Thistle? Megafolin? Those 2 things might help with detox

pains.

Metabolic Advantage has thyroid glandulars (tho not thyroxine which is an rx).

Which might help balance you out if you arent on thyroid meds. There are other

brands.

Adrenal glandulars might be needed, too. Tho i would try the other, first.

You didnt mention salt. Lots of water and the salt is very important to help get

out the bad stuff.

You might also increase your magnesium and try other kinds. Oxide is fard on the

system and not as bioavailable as others. MagPeroxide, MagCitrate, MagGlycinate

are much better on the mood and bod!

It doesnt need to be a race. Iodine sufficiency can be obtained slowly with less

detox troubles. Better to go slow if the detox is really bad unless there is

disease present. You really have to listen to your body. If there is alot of

pain, backing off, slowing down, trying to figure out if its one supplement

causing the problem or not is better than suffering needlessly.

Cheryl

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Hey there,

unfortunately I do not have a lot of time at the moment but there are some

things I wanted to tell you:

1. Your symptoms may be at least part due to bromide. You did not mention salt

loading, but even if you did, it might be not enough unrefined salt that you are

taking. I had to go up to 3 teaspoons of salt / day to get rid of the

bromide(But don't do this for more then 5 days in a row, drink a lot, and don't

take all at once, your body WILL make you throw up otherwise). So I would advice

that you test how much salt you need while being on iodine, to rule out other

factors. If its still not better even with the max dosage after few days, then

you can rule out that one. If you feel better, but need a high salt dosage, you

can try both, reduce the dosage to lets say 37,5mg or go up to 100mg, as this

has been better for many too.

2. Mag oxide is not the best Mag, cause it needs acid to become active. Tip: mix

it with vit C, or get some better mag like mag citrate.

3. Ephedra? Coffeine? And you are wondering why you are an emotional roller

coaster? While Ephedra and Coffeine might be good for your metabolism, they work

by making your body release more (nor)adrenaline. The problem is, you release

more, but you do not produce more. So in fact you risk burning out your

adrenals. and I bet you have no adrenaline and noradrenaline left. this does

most likely result in anxiety attacks. I assume you have done this for a while

now, so get L-Tyrosine(precursor for dopamine, (nor)adrenaline), take, lets say

2g/day and reduce Ephedra and Coffeine slowly to zero. You can use coffeine

again, in " normal " dosages like 1 cup/day dosage, but try to leave the weekends

off to give your adrenals a rest.

4. I hope you take selenium? NEVER take iodine without selenium. and take it

every day even if you do not take selenium, in fact this should be done for all

companion nutrients.

5. back to the adrenals. if you do salt loading, as first thing in the

morning(meaning, the first salt loading, if you need a high salt loading

dosage), that might help the adrenals.

6. your joints. msm is good for the inflammation, and in fact it makes a good

combo with iodine in my experience. but it wont be enough to give the body what

it needs to repair itself. get a glucosamine / chondroitine formula. better yet,

get green lipped mussel extract - but get a good brand. it stinks, but its the

best thing I have ever taken for my joints. in combination with msm and maybe

glucosamine combo, you will feel the difference.

7. more joints/weight loss. did you check your feet for imbalances? maybe you

need a orthotic insert to balance your joints. check that!

8. more joints... when taking the supplements I mentioned, do cardio on a

stationary bike, and/or normal bike. by trying to improve your cardio you help

your joints to utilize the supplements, they need to be moved to regenerate, it

does not work any other way, and besides, the better your cardio, the higher

your metabolism (and iodine takes care that your thyroid can raise its t4/3

output) so by focussing on improving your cardio, you will lose fat(of course

you need to look over your nutrition also). Actually, when it comes to fat loss

and a thyroid thats working well that one may need cardio too. I mean - iodine

is needed by the thyroid to work as it should, but that does not mean the

thyroid is at max t4/3 when it is working good, it simply means its doing what

it is supposed to do. and that is, produce less t3/4 when starving and/or when

there is not enough body movement. the thyroid is supposed to help us survive

when there is not enough food(and to store more in times where we are inactive),

by adjusting the metabolism. of course there are enough ppl that have problems

with their thyroids that can not as easily solved (dont flame me!) but cardio

hardly gets mentioned at all. I wonder why?

9.roller coaster again. try to remember when you were happy, and when you were

sad, and what supplements you were taking in both phases. I think your on/off

scheme is a bad idea and does most likely play its part in your mental problems.

however, on/off iodine helped a lot of ppl as far as I can tell.

10. digestive enzymes. you do know that while they help your pancreas and the

breakdown of the nutrients, that you actually might need more folic acid because

the enzymes hinder the absorption of folic acid.

11. you might actually have a deficit in a lot of minerals, vitamins (esp the

fat soluble ones). Check websites for what nutrients you could be deficient in

because of your non-working pancreas, better yet, get to a doc and test

yourself.

12. roller coaster again. if you have had problems with your emotions in the

past, even if they were less problematic, you might have other issues as well.

in that case, try out cognitive behavioural therapy - it helps a lot of people!

so, thats it for now I hope I could help. please check back and tell us what

helped and what did not, only this way the community can learn!

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I have not been good about salt loading. I use it in food and take licks of it now and then during the day (until I feel " that's enough " from my bod) but I don't measure it out and gulp it down. I use the Real Salt brand.

I got the mag oxide because it's cheap... If it needs acid, is stomach acid not enough? I can certainly add it to my C drinks instead of licking it. The ephedra and caffeine I have developed a tolerance to the stimulant effects of to a large degree, it is the thermogenic effects that are helping me lose at this point. I'm pretty sure I have adrenaline left because I can still feel fear and panic and get the racing heart etc when one of my kids is in danger etc. I don't think I take " abnormal " amounts of caffeine. I have one 12oz in the morning and another 6-12oz in the afternoon. Sometimes I have tea instead, at either time. The ephedra/caffeine I started after the iodine, and the roller coaster

was present before I started them. For me it's more like they're fixing

an imbalance in my body and helping me feel more normal actually. In the beginning I was hyper/stimulated right when I took the ephedra, no crash in the later part necessarily though. Now I feel a little more " wide eyed " in the morning but not hyper. Last night I was skipping and dancing right up until bed despite not having had any stimulant for many hours, because I'd just made a new friend IRL . Other days I am depressed all day, or part of the day. It seems to be an exaggerated reaction to things that are normally just a temporary bummer for most people. Also I am afraid of gaining weight (VERY easy for me to do) and making my structural problems worse again, so I can't quit this right now. It is the only thing that has really helped so much with that particular problem. I do also take pork thyroid, which I forgot to mention. I prepare this myself. It has helped too but not as much as the herbs or iodine for metabolism and feeling " normal " , so far as I notice right now. Actually now that I think of it, I'm more roller-coastery when I forget to take ephedra and caffeine. Hmm. Withdrawal perhaps. Hrmm.

I agree about exercise. It is difficult with 2 little ones at home but the Y does have a child care center. It's just that last time we were there consistently for 1 week we got the flu and were out of commission 2 weeks and now I'm a little gun shy. otoh, the outside air doesn't have flu (aside from paranoid me fantasies) so that's always available. I did make hand sanitizer.. oh OKAY. I'll go. Today. After this message.

The swollen right lobe is definitely iodine related though, didn't happen until I started the high iodine dose. Initially I was actually afraid of lymphoma because of cancer in my family and I couldn't feel the connection with the central part of the thyroid.. then it swelled more and I could. I will try lower dose for a while, rather than " off " and up the selenium every day to 800mcg, which seems safe, and salt load more, and adjust the magnesium. I can't afford more supplements right now, I spent a whopper the past couple of months and that's it for a while. I took 12mg today of Lugol's. I was afraid of lower dosages rather than on/off because I got bad symptoms at lower dosages previously (chest pain at 6mg) and initially got better at 50mg. Maybe I'm just one of those people whose Hashi's gets worse with it in the beginning (there are those people, right?). Maybe if I keep plugging and adjusting it will get better. I am afraid but otoh if I do nothing my hashi's will eventually destroy my thyroid anyway...

Thank you for all of your suggestions.EllieOn Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:13 AM, avproff@... <avproff@...> wrote:

 

Hey there,

unfortunately I do not have a lot of time at the moment but there are some things I wanted to tell you:

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The thyroid can swell trying to uptake iodine. So I would think a little

swelling is nothing to worry about.

Exercising with little ones is good for all of you.

Get a dvd exercise tape and do that together, they have all sorts of them. I

personally like one i have that makes me feel im at the ocean...beach in the

back ground, ocean sounds. There are other things, make up games such as

marching with kids, teaching them to march, arms out,legs high, etc. then stop

do some sort of stretch or jumping jacks, march, stop, you get the idea(?). That

is a good one for kids too cause it teaches joint attention and flexible

thinking.

Taking the effedra, caffiene is kinda scary. Tho i do drink alot of pop so

probably not much difference. I dont know for certain. I know its bad for me but

well some things i just cant give up ...

And the salt is really important. Its what helps get the toxins out, regulate

the fluids and electrolytes. Its almost as important as the iodine ;-)

Cheryl

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to me your symptoms point to high bromide levels. the emotionality, and the

problems with normal situations for example. the higher iodine dosage is another

sign - for many people it does take a lot of iodine to make the body detox from

bromide, but it seems like starting with about 37,5mg and above a lot more

bromide gets released to the blood, then with iodine dosages below. to detox the

bromide, simply stopping iodine won't help much. it takes too long for the

bromide to get out of the body, the only solution that works in this case is

salt loading. the more symptoms, the more salt loading and water you do need,

its as simple as that. just adding salt to your food won't help much, I am

sorry.

actually, it might be that with enough salt loading your thyroid swelling will

go away. I know, it might not taste like champaign... btw, if you reach the

maximum salt loading dosage(with a lot of water) for 5 days and the problems are

still present, you can pretty much rule bromide as your problem out. when I was

heavy detoxing, I took 10g unrefined salt a day, together with a lot of water,

and I could feel the difference in my emotions and symptoms.

for the mag oxide, the stomach acid is not enough, I'm afraid. max oxide is THE

worst magnesium, because your body can only utilize a bit of it.

one, maybe 2 cups of coffee are ok, but the ephedra will most certainly cause

you emotional problems in the long run. the l-tyrosine helps repleting dopamine

and (nor)adrenaline and help with withdraw symptoms. glad to hear that you still

get an adrenaline shock when your kids are in danger, but you need

noradrenaline, adrenaline, and cortisol in your body intact even for " normal day

situations " . they interact with each other, and once you mess it up with

ephedra, you will be way less stress tolerant because you can not produce enough

cortisol anymore. and the lack of cortisol, dopamine and (nor)adrenaline, which

are all negatively affected by ephedra will cause anxiety and panik attacks in

the long run. and to be honest, the thermogenic effect of ephedra is not high

enough to risk these effects. so even if your problems right now are not ephedra

related, they will most likely be in the future. hard interval training twice or

three times a week, no carbs in the evening will definately work better then

ephedra. If you think you feel more " normal " under ephedra, then you could have

general problems with your catecholamines, but you should address them in

another way (by taking the precursors to dopamine, (nor)adrenaline and the

cofactors). that will work much better in the long run.

as far as I know only selenium up to 400mcg in long term usage is considered

save.

good luck and keep us posted!

alex

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> > Hey there,

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> > unfortunately I do not have a lot of time at the moment but there are some

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