Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 In a message dated 9/9/2004 8:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tamaratornado@... writes: It's a narrow mindedness fueled by fear. Disease is so scary. People are so afraid of death. Exactly so. Doctors (and the rest of us) are held liable for treating people beyond their (our) training. I think there'd be less narrow mindedness if there were fewer law suits. People get sick and people die but everytime someone dies the first thing you hear is how the doctors or nurses must have screwed up. They call it practice for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Tamara Tornado wrote:I think quite a few people doctors > and others sincerely beleive that mainstream medicine is the only thing > that works and that everything else is quack. I agree they think this - but it is a blind prejudice and not an investigated one. > It's a narrow mindedness fueled by fear. Disease is so scary. People > are so afraid of death. And yet it is the one thing we all can count on :-)) In my veterinary homeopathy practice I take mostly cases vets call terminal, and so I often have the last phase of life to work with. It really is not right to put scare tactics with it and it is definitely wrong to just write off the pet or person because they are " terminal " - the individual is alive for all of it till the last split-second - and it needs to be seen as a phase of life and honored as such with all the special needs attendant with it - and not seen as something to hide from. We do not get all silly about the special needs of babies - why get silly about the special needs at the other end of this life phase? I believe society as a whole makes a big mistake here. > I am thinking of my friend who is so against anything alternative -- he > has no financial incentive -- So what incentive does he have? If medicine says it can not be fixed (which only means it can't be fixed by medical personnel) - how is it logical to give up and not look elsewhere when there is nothing to lose? > I'm sure that some mainstream doctors are sincere in their efforts to > help people, even if they not familiar with alternative medicine... or > even strongly opposed.... I agree that there are some wonderful doctors, with all kinds of good intentions. But I am not sure I agree with the concept of a good doctor with a closed mind. It seems to me a contradiction. It takes an open mind to be a good doctor in the first place. I think the USA education system - spoon-fed style - is guilty of building closed minds. It takes a special kind of personality to overcome that trained closed-mindedness - and I think that is where the rot sets in! > not everything is always money, maybe most of > it. but I think some people are sincere... Some mainstream doctors > volunteer their time to go help poor people for free... > > It's not always black & white. > > I way prefer alternative medicine, but there are some cases where the > mainstream has something to offer,, especially emergencies and acute > disease... Emergencies yes - acute disease is questionable, depends what exactly, as there is a tendency to suppress, which is not healing. Surgery, mechanical repair and diagnostic tests are great in mainstream. But every system has its strengths and weaknesses. It is awfully hard to do spay surgery or broken bone setting by herbs or reiki for example, you need mainstream approach for that and for diagnostic tests, and it is excellent for research on the nature of diseases - which can be used by all the health professions to understand what's not right that needs fixing. But to recover health after chronic disease mainstream has no answers (and is usually the cause) and homeopathy is strong. Mainstream is actually homeopathy if you play the numbers game, and drug medicine is the alternative. More people in the world use homeopathy than any other health care system. USA is just slow to get there. In my opinion we need the best of all the systems for their strengths, and not a choice of one or other system. > my 2 cents and now it is 4c :-) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Thanks Donna, I agree with you. And do I agree that pharmacuetical companies and others DO have a big finanical interest... It's funny, but while we say that people who are against alternative medicine have financial interests, that's the same thing they say about us.... my friend I keep mentioning, he was making some very funny comments about Null and Deepak Chopra writing their newage (pronounced to rhyme with sewage) books and making millions of dollars... I didn't agree with him, but the way he said it was so funny I had to laugh... I can't remember how he worded it except for the pronouciation of " newage " (New Age) Oh and I remember him teasing me about being " macro-neurotic " in my macrobiotic days...LOL I don't know exactly what motivates him in his prejudices, he likes science... I thought he would like the BTD sicne there's been so much testing and studies, but he just dismissed it as " that's BULLSHIT! " No matter, he's not hunting anyone down, and he's learned to tolerate me... - T --- wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:29:40 EDT From: dmurr58@... Subject: not just about money Tamara, I see your point that not all aversions to alternative medicine are financial. Certainly in individuals such as your friend, he is fearful and clinging to the " facts " that he has heard his whole life. I also have met and used several excellent doctors and veterinarians, both in the SF Bay Area where I lived previously, and now here in rural Nevada. I have had to shop around, and talk to people. I make a few routine exam appointments to get a feel for doctors, and discuss BTD, natural remedies, etc. If they poo-poo my ideas, I move on. So far, I have found if I am willing to put in the time to check around, I can find doctors who either are curious and supportive of alternative medicine, or even if they're not personally into it, will work with me and respect my decisions about drugs, etc. Comments I've made on this list about " the medical profession " or " the pharmaceutical industry " generalities. I do believe these industries as a whole have a philosophy of squelching alternative, non-profit-potential ideas, and primarily that agenda is carried out through AMA, lobbying at the state and federal level, campaign contributions. However, many members of these groups do not buy into the philosophy. They can't speak up and take these guys on, they would be harassed, threatened, etc. For instance, when I wrote about vitamin D, the doctor who is doing the research on benefits of sunlight was a tenured professor at a medical school. He was kicked off a prestigious committee, and had to fight to keep his tenure, for questioning current practices and treatments of skin cancer patients. So please accept my comments as generalities, and know that I do understand that there are many men and women in medical fields right now who would love to know more and have more freedom in the area of alternative medicine. Donna __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Prejudice is not reasonable! He's brainwashed and closed minded. Tamara Tornado <tamaratornado@...> wrote:Thanks Donna, I agree with you. And do I agree that pharmacuetical companies and others DO have a big finanical interest... It's funny, but while we say that people who are against alternative medicine have financial interests, that's the same thing they say about us.... my friend I keep mentioning, he was making some very funny comments about Null and Deepak Chopra writing their newage (pronounced to rhyme with sewage) books and making millions of dollars... I didn't agree with him, but the way he said it was so funny I had to laugh... I can't remember how he worded it except for the pronouciation of " newage " (New Age) Oh and I remember him teasing me about being " macro-neurotic " in my macrobiotic days...LOL I don't know exactly what motivates him in his prejudices, he likes science... I thought he would like the BTD sicne there's been so much testing and studies, but he just dismissed it as " that's BULLSHIT! " No matter, he's not hunting anyone down, and he's learned to tolerate me... - T --- wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:29:40 EDT From: dmurr58@... Subject: not just about money Tamara, I see your point that not all aversions to alternative medicine are financial. Certainly in individuals such as your friend, he is fearful and clinging to the " facts " that he has heard his whole life. I also have met and used several excellent doctors and veterinarians, both in the SF Bay Area where I lived previously, and now here in rural Nevada. I have had to shop around, and talk to people. I make a few routine exam appointments to get a feel for doctors, and discuss BTD, natural remedies, etc. If they poo-poo my ideas, I move on. So far, I have found if I am willing to put in the time to check around, I can find doctors who either are curious and supportive of alternative medicine, or even if they're not personally into it, will work with me and respect my decisions about drugs, etc. Comments I've made on this list about " the medical profession " or " the pharmaceutical industry " generalities. I do believe these industries as a whole have a philosophy of squelching alternative, non-profit-potential ideas, and primarily that agenda is carried out through AMA, lobbying at the state and federal level, campaign contributions. However, many members of these groups do not buy into the philosophy. They can't speak up and take these guys on, they would be harassed, threatened, etc. For instance, when I wrote about vitamin D, the doctor who is doing the research on benefits of sunlight was a tenured professor at a medical school. He was kicked off a prestigious committee, and had to fight to keep his tenure, for questioning current practices and treatments of skin cancer patients. So please accept my comments as generalities, and know that I do understand that there are many men and women in medical fields right now who would love to know more and have more freedom in the area of alternative medicine. Donna __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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