Re: Doea Iodine detox fluoride?

December 25, 2009

Yes it does. It definitely does and is likely the only thing that does.

Good link!!!

I'm going to review everything I have on iodine related to fluoride removal.

Everyone should read the entire page,how it affects the brain, thyroid etc is of essential importance to all, vital even.

It's a long article with a number of links which are also very good. Truly we are being poisoned, intentionally in part.

"The effects of fluoride on the thyroid gland have been studied so extensively, that it baffles the mind how experts on thyroid disease from Harvard or the University of Toronto can claim that fluorides do not affect thyroid gland function, especially when it has been used as medication to do just that! (76)

This stance just defies all knowledge properly gained in the last 70 years of related research. One cannot find any mention of fluorides in ANY current "official" thyroid disease related literature. And this at fluoride intake levels and at dental fluorosis rates as high as they are!

I always thought it was instant tea that was high in fluoride, but it's all tea, green and black,

along with aluminum, That is bad news.

"A major Canadian study published in 1995 reports average fluoride content in tea to be 4.57 mg/l in the 1980's.(6) A website by a pro-fluoridation infant medical group lists a cup of black tea to contain 7.8 mgs of fluoride (7), which is roughly the same amount as if one were to drink 7.8 litres of water in an area fluoridated at 1ppm. It is well known that fluoride in tea gets absorbed by the body similarly as the fluoride in drinking water (1,8). Some British and African studies from the 1990's showed a daily fluoride intake of between 5.8 mgs and 9 mgs a day from tea alone..."

"Fluoride and Aluminum in Tea To make matters much worse for human health, fluorides in teas are found together with aluminum. The combination of aluminum and fluorides in tea is of urgent concern, due to the increased damage done by fluorides when in the presence of aluminum, especially neurological and renal damage)..."

"A most important study from 1998 conducted at the Nanchang University in China showed that in older rats fed green tea water extract or green tea leaves, the cerebrum calcium contents were significantly decreased and aluminum contents increased. Zinc contents in the cerebrum were also gradually decreased with the increase of tea leaves dose and tea concentration(51). The cerebrum is the portion of the brain (frontal lobes) where thought and higher function reside..."

"Thyroid hormones are extremely important in the regulation of metabolic processes and brain development. Every cell in the body depends upon thyroid hormones for regulation of their metabolism. Many of the symptoms documented in the vast literature on the subject of chronic or low-grade fluoride poisoning can be directly related to thyroid functions and disorders...."

This, again, is extremely important info. The effect on the brain is "must know information."

Thank you!

Bruce

Doea Iodine detox fluoride?

I read somewhere that Iodine detoxes fluoride, bromine and some other toxic junk. Does anyone know if this is correct? Because this page scares the bejeebers out of me:http://www.ithyroid.com/fluorine.htmBethann-- If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires.Abigail Van Buren

December 25, 2009

Most of the iodine sites state iodine increases elimination of the halides extensively;

"Following supplementation with the iodine/iodide preparation, there was a progressive increase in the excretion of fluoride and bromide. With 3 tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; and for bromide, 18 times baseline level.

These high levels persisted even after one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide. After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide. It is unlikely that such large amounts of halides came from the thyroid gland. It would seem that the whole body is being detoxified. Orthoiodo-supplementation could be used under medical supervision to detoxify the body from unwanted halides in a manner similar to the use of EDTA for the detoxification of heavy metals."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_May/ai_100767875/

Bruce

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From: YardBirdMail

I read somewhere that Iodine detoxes fluoride, bromine and some other toxic junk. Does anyone know if this is correct? Because this page scares the bejeebers out of me:http://www.ithyroid.com/fluorine.htmBethann-- If we could sell our experiences for what they cost us, we'd all be millionaires.Abigail Van Buren

December 25, 2009

A Tru Ott is a highly respected writer/researcher. wonder if we all should pay more attention to this;

http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

Bromine gets a lot of attention, more than fluoride, but I believe fluoride is much more dangerous. Not that we want either!

But I have read in numerous places of the medicating effect of fluride, which is why the Nazi's and Russians liked it so much...

Also it accumulates the pineal among other nice effects...

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/

When water is fluoridated we get more from a shower than the water being drank. Much as chlorine.

A nice placid population.--is likely one motivation.

search on iodine4health.com for fluoride

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=2625368 & pageid=r & mode=ALL & n=0 & _charset_=UTF-8 & bcd=%C3%B7 & query=fluoride

Bruce

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From: YardBirdMail

I read somewhere that Iodine detoxes fluoride, bromine and some other toxic junk. Does anyone know if this is correct? Because this page scares the bejeebers out of me:http://www.ithyroid.com/fluorine.htmBethann

December 25, 2009

Thank you Bruce for that info!

So how long does it take to detox the fluoride

from the entire body if we're getting dosed with

it every day?

I'm sure if you take Iodine the daily dose you get

from foods and tea, coffee or whatever, just kind

of passes through instead of adding to the body

load, right?

So the extra amount excreted must be from body

tissues?

And does anyone have any idea what the dose would

need to be just to offset the daily intake of

fluoride, chlorine and other substances while

giving the body the free iodine it requires?

I'm wondering if Iodine binds chlorine, aluminum,

and bromide too?

If fluoride is in foods ie the database from the

USDA, how much chlorine and bromide is in foods?

I understand that bromide has been added to the

majority of commercially prepared foods containing

flour, everything from cookies to loaves of bread,

although I haven't a link for that one. And we all

know about aluminum.

And what about arsenic?

I've just started taking iodine recently and this

info on fluoride really bothers me.

I don't understand how they can ignore the

research results.

In the NBC report on Thyroid Cancer the reporter

says. " No one knows what has caused the rise in

thyroid cancer rates. " (paraphrased). After

reading the the USDA database and the article I

posted, I'm agog that it seems like they're either

ignoring the research results or denying it

outright. Which leads me to the question of why?

That is huge. They threw fluoride in the water

with no research, but they refuse to take it out

in the face of a huge body of research. Who is

really behind it, and resisting so hard? From what

I understand even the ADA has backpedaled on the

'fluoride is needed for cavity prevention'

bandwagon. So why the fluoride in the water? There

is no benefit, only harm.

Bethann

If we could sell our experiences for what they

cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Bruce wrote:

>

> Most of the iodine sites state iodine increases elimination of the

> halides extensively;

>

> " Following supplementation with the iodine/iodide preparation, there

> was a progressive increase in the excretion of fluoride and bromide.

> With 3 tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline

> level; and for bromide, 18 times baseline level.

>

> These high levels persisted even after one month of supplementation at 3

> tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level for fluoride, and 16 times

> for bromide. After one month, the estimated total amount of halide

> excreted was 24 mg fluoride and 8700mg bromide. It is unlikely that such

> large amounts of halides came from the thyroid gland. It would seem that

> the whole body is being detoxified. Orthoiodo-supplemen tation could be

> used under medical supervision to detoxify the body from unwanted

> halides in a manner similar to the use of EDTA for the detoxification of

> heavy metals. "

>

> http://findarticles .com/p/articles/ mi_m0ISW/ is_2003_May/

> ai_100767875/

> <http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_May/ai_100767875/>

>

> Bruce

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* YardBirdMail <mailto:yardbirdmail@...>

>

> I read somewhere that Iodine detoxes fluoride,

> bromine and some other toxic junk. Does anyone know if this is

> correct? Because this page scares

> the bejeebers out of me:

> http://www.ithyroid .com/fluorine. htm

> <http://www.ithyroid.com/fluorine.htm>

>

> Bethann

>

> --

> If we could sell our experiences for what they

> cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

> Abigail Van Buren

>

December 25, 2009

" I've just started taking iodine recently and this info on fluoride really

bothers me. "

The halides are bad yes, so it is a very good thing you are on the iodine

protocol.

The beginning of a journey to good health for all of us. There is an amazing

amount of information out there when one knows where to look.

Read up on Drs Brownstein, https://www.drbrownstein.com

Abraham, http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

Dr Sircus http://imva.info/

I just purchased 6 of Dr. Sircuses books (ebooks) and am delighted at the

depth of them, and they all mention iodine.

and others mentioned here as well.

" I don't understand how they can ignore the research results. "

Under our present political/medical/agricultural establishment this is

commonplace and gets even worse. Many things have been hidden,

covered up, or ignored by either stupid, brainwashed, incompetent, or

outright evil people in medicine, industry, the media, and politics.

I firmly believe many are waking up to it and being led to what will

eventually be a new system, but the clash between the old and new will

become more pronounced as time goes on.

The research on vitamin D alone is astonishing;

www.grassrootshealth.org

They had a seminar by the leaders in D research at Toronto Univ, the results

are astonishing.

Vit D, Iodine, Sodium Bicarbonate, Magnesium Chloride... are some of the

major players in our health, and the least expensive.

" And what about arsenic? "

Another topic for research I haven't yet gotten into but intended to as it

has come up recently.

Bruce

December 25, 2009

Thank you Bruce:)

I am a logical person, and I depend on research

results from decent studies and lab results for

answers, statistics can be twisted but it's hard

to refute the results of an honest and a well run

study.. I researched for months and read

everything I could find before I added R ALA to my

defensive arsenal. And having been diagnosed

recently with hypothyroidism I have been searching

for answers.

I resent being poisoned by my government to the

point that an organ in my body is failing. It

makes me very angry that they'll rail against

cigarettes, marijuana, alcohol, and cocaine and

yet poison every individual in the US with this

more insidious muck in the water. It's mind

boggling. I wonder how many people have been

diagnosed with dementia when it's really the

results of poisoning? I wonder how many

psychiatric diagnosis are really the results of

chemical poisoning? The numbers must be very

large. Just how do these people sleep at night?

The substandard diet of most Americans, which is

nutritionally null, combined with chronic

poisoning is creating a huge market for the pharma

industry.

It's hard to wrap my mind around all the different

diseases, not just hypothyroidism, and health

problems that this chronic poisoning has and is

causing.

Bethann

If we could sell our experiences for what they

cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Bruce wrote:

> " I've just started taking iodine recently and this info on fluoride really

> bothers me. "

>

> The halides are bad yes, so it is a very good thing you are on the iodine

> protocol.

> The beginning of a journey to good health for all of us. There is an amazing

> amount of information out there when one knows where to look.

> Read up on Drs Brownstein, https://www.drbrownstein.com

> Abraham, http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

> Dr Sircus http://imva.info/

>

> I just purchased 6 of Dr. Sircuses books (ebooks) and am delighted at the

> depth of them, and they all mention iodine.

> and others mentioned here as well.

>

> " I don't understand how they can ignore the research results. "

>

> Under our present political/medical/agricultural establishment this is

> commonplace and gets even worse. Many things have been hidden,

> covered up, or ignored by either stupid, brainwashed, incompetent, or

> outright evil people in medicine, industry, the media, and politics.

> I firmly believe many are waking up to it and being led to what will

> eventually be a new system, but the clash between the old and new will

> become more pronounced as time goes on.

>

> The research on vitamin D alone is astonishing;

> www.grassrootshealth.org

> They had a seminar by the leaders in D research at Toronto Univ, the results

> are astonishing.

> Vit D, Iodine, Sodium Bicarbonate, Magnesium Chloride... are some of the

> major players in our health, and the least expensive.

>

> " And what about arsenic? "

> Another topic for research I haven't yet gotten into but intended to as it

> has come up recently.

>

> Bruce

>

> ------------------------------------

>

December 25, 2009

R version of ala is excellent. As is lactoferrin which I recently became

aware of thanks to a local place I go to that is a pharmacy for ND's.

They often give me tips and I discuss things with the owner.

I've devoted myself on an almost full time basis to medical/nutritional and

political studies for the past 1.5 years

often putting in long hours up to 60 hrs/week, and am still astonished far

too often at what takes place.

I was very hesitant and slow in adopting the iodine protocol, but recently

became much less so with the awareness

of the bromide and fluoride intake issues being more common than I realized,

plus percolate.

But at the same time it seems there are answers as well for minimizing the

effects and healing ourselves and others along with teaching those who will

listen.

Bruce

December 25, 2009

LOL@Bruce:)

I'm sorry, not really laughing @you, I'm a

research geek too;>, I spend hours every day

reading and digging for information. It is a full

time job! I'm the family researcher. Sometimes

it's hard to winnow the good stuff from the

plethora of information available. It takes close

critical reading to catch the ones who don't know

what they're talking about:) And to try and

determine whether a study was conducted in such a

way as to provide valid results! And the letters

after a person's name mean next to nothing. I have

seen some very overeducated idjits online. I'm

glad I had lots of sciences in college. I can

follow most science geekese talk in research

papers and gain an understanding of what they're

talking about. The only thing I'm really weak in

is chemistry, organic and inorganic. I know just

enough to know I don't know anywhere near enough.

I guess I need to take some classes, starting with

the basics.

I took to micro and the rest like a duck to water,

but out of all the sciences I never could warm up

to chemistry for some reason. *Grimace*

Bethann

If we could sell our experiences for what they

cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Bruce wrote:

> R version of ala is excellent. As is lactoferrin which I recently became

> aware of thanks to a local place I go to that is a pharmacy for ND's.

> They often give me tips and I discuss things with the owner.

>

> I've devoted myself on an almost full time basis to medical/nutritional and

> political studies for the past 1.5 years

> often putting in long hours up to 60 hrs/week, and am still astonished far

> too often at what takes place.

> I was very hesitant and slow in adopting the iodine protocol, but recently

> became much less so with the awareness

> of the bromide and fluoride intake issues being more common than I realized,

> plus percolate.

>

> But at the same time it seems there are answers as well for minimizing the

> effects and healing ourselves and others along with teaching those who will

> listen.

>

> Bruce

>

> ------------------------------------

>

December 25, 2009

----- Original Message -----

From: " YardBirdMail " <yardbirdmail@...>

> So how long does it take to detox the fluoride from the entire body if

> we're getting dosed with it every day?

> I'm sure if you take Iodine the daily dose you get from foods and tea,

> coffee or whatever, just kind

> of passes through instead of adding to the body load, right?

The iodine greatly enhances the normal elimination yes. The body gets rid of

some naturally:

" Following supplementation with the iodine/iodide preparation, there was a

progressive increase in the excretion of fluoride and bromide. With 3

tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; and

for bromide, 18 times baseline level. These high levels persisted even after

one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level

for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide.

After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg

fluoride and 8700mg bromide. "

18 times the normal excreted with iodine. So it depends on how much is in

your system, the only real way to know is to have it monitored over a period

of time and when levels start to fall to a low level then good.

> So the extra amount excreted must be from body tissues?

Yes.

> And does anyone have any idea what the dose would need to be just to

> offset the daily intake of fluoride, chlorine and other substances while

> giving the body the free iodine it requires?

Depends on your intake?

Some say 12 mg, others 50.

> I'm wondering if Iodine binds chlorine, aluminum, and bromide too?

Eliminates, not so much " binds " tho bromide may need real sea salt as well

to get it out of the blood when iodine is used and one has detox symptoms.

Aluminum and other metals;

Dr. Kenezy Gyula Korhaz states that iodine chelates heavy metals such as

mercury, lead, cadmium and aluminum and halogens such as fluoride and

bromide, thus decreasing their iodine inhibiting effects[vii] especially of

the halogens.

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine2.htm

But we need to know of other removal methods for metals as well. Selenium

for example, aside from being essential when taking iodine, also chelates

some metals;

A search on " selenium binds to mercury " produces a number of studies, not

all conclusive on final results but there is a definite binding making

mercury less bioavailable.

University of professor Harold , PhD, says, " Pregnant women

need special protection because their fetus may be poisoned in the womb, so

interfering with its development. In addition to vitamin C, nutrient

minerals are also protective against heavy metal toxins. For example,

selenium is antagonistic to (and so protective against) arsenic, mercury and

cadmium. "

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v03n07.shtml

> If fluoride is in foods ie the database from the USDA, how much chlorine

> and bromide is in foods?

Depends on food source, the water soil levels etc, ditto mercury.

> I understand that bromide has been added to the majority of commercially

> prepared foods containing

> flour, everything from cookies to loaves of bread, although I haven't a

> link for that one. And we all

> know about aluminum.

In the usa yes, here in Canada it is outlawed, but we still get some.

Bruce

December 25, 2009

Thank you Bruce:)

While I was growing up I lived in a fluoride free

small town. I graduated from High School, and

moved to a bigger city that had fluoridation. I

believe that's when my problems started. I was

bewildered as to what could possibly be wrong with

me. Nothing showed up in tests. After many years I

am just now beginning to ferret it out. I am so

disgusted with the medical establishment it's not

even funny.

Bethann

If we could sell our experiences for what they

cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Bruce wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " YardBirdMail " <yardbirdmail@...>

>

>> So how long does it take to detox the fluoride from the entire body if

>> we're getting dosed with it every day?

>> I'm sure if you take Iodine the daily dose you get from foods and tea,

>> coffee or whatever, just kind

>> of passes through instead of adding to the body load, right?

>

> The iodine greatly enhances the normal elimination yes. The body gets rid of

> some naturally:

>

> " Following supplementation with the iodine/iodide preparation, there was a

> progressive increase in the excretion of fluoride and bromide. With 3

> tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; and

> for bromide, 18 times baseline level. These high levels persisted even after

> one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level

> for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide.

> After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg

> fluoride and 8700mg bromide. "

>

> 18 times the normal excreted with iodine. So it depends on how much is in

> your system, the only real way to know is to have it monitored over a period

> of time and when levels start to fall to a low level then good.

>

>> So the extra amount excreted must be from body tissues?

>

> Yes.

>

>> And does anyone have any idea what the dose would need to be just to

>> offset the daily intake of fluoride, chlorine and other substances while

>> giving the body the free iodine it requires?

>

> Depends on your intake?

> Some say 12 mg, others 50.

>

>> I'm wondering if Iodine binds chlorine, aluminum, and bromide too?

>

> Eliminates, not so much " binds " tho bromide may need real sea salt as well

> to get it out of the blood when iodine is used and one has detox symptoms.

> Aluminum and other metals;

> Dr. Kenezy Gyula Korhaz states that iodine chelates heavy metals such as

> mercury, lead, cadmium and aluminum and halogens such as fluoride and

> bromide, thus decreasing their iodine inhibiting effects[vii] especially of

> the halogens.

> http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine2.htm

>

> But we need to know of other removal methods for metals as well. Selenium

> for example, aside from being essential when taking iodine, also chelates

> some metals;

>

> A search on " selenium binds to mercury " produces a number of studies, not

> all conclusive on final results but there is a definite binding making

> mercury less bioavailable.

>

> University of professor Harold , PhD, says, " Pregnant women

> need special protection because their fetus may be poisoned in the womb, so

> interfering with its development. In addition to vitamin C, nutrient

> minerals are also protective against heavy metal toxins. For example,

> selenium is antagonistic to (and so protective against) arsenic, mercury and

> cadmium. "

> http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v03n07.shtml

>

>> If fluoride is in foods ie the database from the USDA, how much chlorine

>> and bromide is in foods?

>

> Depends on food source, the water soil levels etc, ditto mercury.

>

>> I understand that bromide has been added to the majority of commercially

>> prepared foods containing

>> flour, everything from cookies to loaves of bread, although I haven't a

>> link for that one. And we all

>> know about aluminum.

> In the usa yes, here in Canada it is outlawed, but we still get some.

>

> Bruce

>

> ------------------------------------

>

December 25, 2009

Eliminates, not so much " binds " tho bromide may

need real sea salt as well

to get it out of the blood when iodine is used and

one has detox symptoms.

Aluminum and other metals;

Would the salt in Kelp do the trick? I use Thorvin

kelp and I think it's full of sea salt. It's very

salty:) Or do I have to take a certain amount?

And can you recommend a good selenium supplement?

I've been looking for one but I'm not sure what

type to get. Chelated, non chelated, liquid,

angstrom sized, regular colloidal? It's a maze.

Bethann

If we could sell our experiences for what they

cost us, we'd all be millionaires.

Abigail Van Buren

Bruce wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " YardBirdMail " <yardbirdmail@...>

>

>> So how long does it take to detox the fluoride from the entire body if

>> we're getting dosed with it every day?

>> I'm sure if you take Iodine the daily dose you get from foods and tea,

>> coffee or whatever, just kind

>> of passes through instead of adding to the body load, right?

>

> The iodine greatly enhances the normal elimination yes. The body gets rid of

> some naturally:

>

> " Following supplementation with the iodine/iodide preparation, there was a

> progressive increase in the excretion of fluoride and bromide. With 3

> tablets, the 24h excretion of fluoride was 17.5 times baseline level; and

> for bromide, 18 times baseline level. These high levels persisted even after

> one month of supplementation at 3 tablets/day, being 15 times baseline level

> for fluoride, and 16 times for bromide.

> After one month, the estimated total amount of halide excreted was 24 mg

> fluoride and 8700mg bromide. "

>

> 18 times the normal excreted with iodine. So it depends on how much is in

> your system, the only real way to know is to have it monitored over a period

> of time and when levels start to fall to a low level then good.

>

>> So the extra amount excreted must be from body tissues?

>

> Yes.

>

>> And does anyone have any idea what the dose would need to be just to

>> offset the daily intake of fluoride, chlorine and other substances while

>> giving the body the free iodine it requires?

>

> Depends on your intake?

> Some say 12 mg, others 50.

>

>> I'm wondering if Iodine binds chlorine, aluminum, and bromide too?

>

> Eliminates, not so much " binds " tho bromide may need real sea salt as well

> to get it out of the blood when iodine is used and one has detox symptoms.

> Aluminum and other metals;

> Dr. Kenezy Gyula Korhaz states that iodine chelates heavy metals such as

> mercury, lead, cadmium and aluminum and halogens such as fluoride and

> bromide, thus decreasing their iodine inhibiting effects[vii] especially of

> the halogens.

> http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine2.htm

>

> But we need to know of other removal methods for metals as well. Selenium

> for example, aside from being essential when taking iodine, also chelates

> some metals;

>

> A search on " selenium binds to mercury " produces a number of studies, not

> all conclusive on final results but there is a definite binding making

> mercury less bioavailable.

>

> University of professor Harold , PhD, says, " Pregnant women

> need special protection because their fetus may be poisoned in the womb, so

> interfering with its development. In addition to vitamin C, nutrient

> minerals are also protective against heavy metal toxins. For example,

> selenium is antagonistic to (and so protective against) arsenic, mercury and

> cadmium. "

> http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v03n07.shtml

>

>> If fluoride is in foods ie the database from the USDA, how much chlorine

>> and bromide is in foods?

>

> Depends on food source, the water soil levels etc, ditto mercury.

>

>> I understand that bromide has been added to the majority of commercially

>> prepared foods containing

>> flour, everything from cookies to loaves of bread, although I haven't a

>> link for that one. And we all

>> know about aluminum.

> In the usa yes, here in Canada it is outlawed, but we still get some.

>

> Bruce

>

> ------------------------------------

>

December 25, 2009

----- Original Message -----

From: " YardBirdMail " <yardbirdmail@...>

> Would the salt in Kelp do the trick? I use Thorvin kelp and I think it's

> full of sea salt. It's very

> salty:) Or do I have to take a certain amount?

If you don't have bromine detox symptoms then is ok

> And can you recommend a good selenium supplement?

> I've been looking for one but I'm not sure what

> type to get. Chelated, non chelated, liquid,

> angstrom sized, regular colloidal? It's a maze.

Se-methylselenocysteine, a superior form of selenium found in such plants as

broccoli and garlic when grown in exceedingly selenium-rich soil. Research

suggests that Se-methylselenocysteine is both less toxic and more potent at

supporting normal cell growth and development - and the body's ability to

remove abnormal cells - than conventional selenium supplements such as

selenomethionine, selenium yeast, selenocysteine, sodium selenite, or sodium

selenate.

According to AOR http://www.aor.ca/html/products.php?id=104

See research there also. Not promoting them, but they have good research and

are recommended by my NP pharmacy.

But I also use selenomethionine and always heard it was good also. I

sometimes/often take 90mcg of the methylselenocysteine version and 200mcg of

the methylselenocysteine.

Bruce

December 25, 2009

> But I also use selenomethionine and always heard it was good also.

I sometimes/often take 90mcg of the methylselenocysteine version and 200mcg

of the selenomethionine. *prev was typo.

> Bruce

December 25, 2009

R version of ala is a not a good product according to dr berkson an expert in ala and a writer of a book about it.it is immpossible to clean it from the toxins that are used in the production.he recommends good ALA with ingredients from germany.one of the producers is metabolic maintenance.

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Bruce <bruce@...> wrote:

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> Would the salt in Kelp do the trick? I use Thorvin kelp and I think it's> full of sea salt. It's very> salty:) Or do I have to take a certain amount?

If you don't have bromine detox symptoms then is ok > And can you recommend a good selenium supplement?> I've been looking for one but I'm not sure what> type to get. Chelated, non chelated, liquid,

> angstrom sized, regular colloidal? It's a maze.Se-methylselenocysteine, a superior form of selenium found in such plants asbroccoli and garlic when grown in exceedingly selenium-rich soil. Research

suggests that Se-methylselenocysteine is both less toxic and more potent atsupporting normal cell growth and development - and the body's ability toremove abnormal cells - than conventional selenium supplements such as

selenomethionine, selenium yeast, selenocysteine, sodium selenite, or sodiumselenate.According to AOR http://www.aor.ca/html/products.php?id=104

See research there also. Not promoting them, but they have good research andare recommended by my NP pharmacy.But I also use selenomethionine and always heard it was good also. Isometimes/often take 90mcg of the methylselenocysteine version and 200mcg of

the methylselenocysteine.Bruce

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December 25, 2009

I'd like to see much more than one dr's opinion, with all due respect. There are numerous research articles on the r version being better:

"R(+)-Lipoic acid is the natural form of this vital antioxidant. It is the sole form produced in the body for use in the mitochondria. Conventional "lipoic acid" or "alpha lipoic acid" supplements are only 50% R(+)-lipoic acid; the other half of such supplements is the artificial S(-)-enantiomer. Research demonstrates that R(+)-lipoic acid is more potent than the S(-)-form, and that in some cases the S(-)-form interferes with R(+)-lipoic acid's actions in the body. "

"If you're taking a conventional lipoic acid pill, then you need to know that the health-promoting, anti-aging benefits associated with this nutrient are only being delivered by half of your supplement. The other half is worse than useless: it actually antagonizes the effects of the good half of the supplement. To put it bluntly: the lipoic acid you're taking harbors both a hero ... and an "evil twin."

Many molecules used by the body have a specific "handedness" (chirality). For example, alpha-tocopherol, or essential fatty acids. In some cases, synthetic versions of these molecules have a different "handedness" than the natural molecule. You're probably familiar with some examples of this phenomenon, such as natural d- vs. synthetic dl-alpha-tocopherolor natural cis- vs. unnatural trans-fatty acids. Some of these artificial molecules are merely less potent than the natural forms, such as in the case of dl-alpha-tocopherol. But others are actually harmful - for example, trans-fatty acids."

"R-Alpha Lipoic Acid is the 100% pure and natural form of lipoic acid. If a product does not state it is using the R-alpha form then it is using an inferior mixture of 50% natural and 50% synthetic lipoic acid."

http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/daily_balancer.php

The other advantage of taking the R form only is that we would use a smaller dose; 50 mg of R-Lipoic Acid is equivalent to 100 mg of synthetic lipoic acid. A further advantage is that the body assimilates the R form much more readily than the S form.There is a clear advantage in adding the multi-tasking lipoic acid supplement to our health regime; first, it recycles other antioxidants, the good guys who halt premature ageing as well as degenerative conditions and, secondly, lipoic acid improves blood sugar levels in our blood and energy production in our muscles However, the wonderful advantages from lipoic come only from the R-form. Even if our diet is high in red meat and spinach taking a little extra lipoic acid would prove beneficial for anyone who is active, lives a full life, likes occasional sweets and even if they do not have blood sugar irregularities, having an antioxidant recycling facility in our bodies would be a good start towards wellness and longevity.

http://www.naturalnews.com/025150_lipoic_acid_antioxidant_blood.html

Synthetic vs. Natural Lipoic Acid

Natural alpha-lipoic acid, or R-lipoic acid, is present in exceedingly tiny amounts in, and tightly bound to, mitochondrial complexes in animal and plant tissues. Because of the extreme difficulty and high cost of isolating natural R-lipoic acid, early studies were conducted with synthetic alpha-lipoic acid. Unlike R-lipoic acid, synthetic lipoic acid comprises a fifty-fifty mixture of two forms of alpha-lipoic acid: R-lipoic acid and S-lipoic acid. The R- and S- forms of alpha-lipoic acid are isomers—identical chemical structures, with the three-dimensional atomic arrangements reversed to form mirror images of each other.

Initial studies with synthetic alpha-lipoic acid helped scientists to understand its antioxidant-recycling and energy-production properties. When pure samples of the natural R- form of lipoic acid version became available, however, researchers quickly discovered that the body has a strong preference for R-lipoic acid. German researchers reported that, unlike the natural R-lipoic acid, synthetic lipoic acid does not improve ATP synthesis in isolated cells. Furthermore, whereas the natural R- form was shown to increase membrane fluidity and transport, the synthetic form was far less effective in doing so.13

Continuing experimentation revealed that R-lipoic acid is more biologically active and offers greater antioxidant and neuroprotective benefits at substantially lower doses than the synthetic forms of lipoic acid. This became apparent when researchers compared the effects of natural and synthetic lipoic acid in the prevention of cataracts. Half of all healthy adults over 65 will eventually develop cataracts, an opacity of the eye lens that can cause vision impairment or blindness. For those with diabetes, the odds of developing cataracts are substantially higher, as eye lenses are especially susceptible to damage from elevated glucose levels. Researchers have found that R-lipoic acid may aid in preventing cataracts and their complications by increasing levels of glutathione, ascorbate, vitamin E, and certain protective enzymes in lens tissues. http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_lipoic_01.htm

"However, RS-alpha-lipoic acid, RS-alpha-dihydrolipoic acid, and S-alpha-lipoic acid failed to protect cells against the degeneration induced by prolonged exposure to BSO, whereas the natural form, R-alpha-lipoic, was partially active under the same conditions. The present results indicate a unique sensitivity of hippocampal neurons to the effect of L-HCA-mediated toxicity, and suggest that RS-alpha-lipoic acid, and in particular the R-alpha-enantiomeric form is capable of preventing oxidative stress-mediated neuronal cell death in primary cell culture." Inhibition of L-homocysteic acid and buthionine sulphoximine-mediated neurotoxicity in rat embryonic neuronal cultures with alpha-lipoic acid enantiomers.Brain Res 2000 Feb 14; 855(2): 292-7.Lockhart B, C, Cuisinier C, Villain N, Peyroulan D, Lestage P.

Feeding rats the ®-lipoic acid diet reduced MDA levels markedly (P<0.01). Both glutathione and ascorbic acid levels declined in hepatocytes with age, but their loss was completely reversed with ®-lipoic acid supplementation. Thus, ®-lipoic acid supplementation improves indices of metabolic activity as well as lowers oxidative stress and damage evident in aging.

®-alpha-lipoic acid-supplemented old rats have improved mitochondrial function, decreased oxidative damage, and increased metabolic rate.FASEB J 1999 Feb; 13(2): 411-8. Hagen TM, Ingersoll RT, Lykkesfeldt J, Liu J, Wehr CM, Vinarsky V, Bartholomew JC, Ames AB