Re: Cat question

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Bumpas wrote:

> Irene, what do you recommend to prevent/treat fleas on cats (and dogs)?

>

Frontline :-)

Preferably plain Frontline - not Frontline Plus.

It's effective and least toxic. The " Plus " is to me a minus- it's more

toxic and not useful.

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I was always told that brewers yeast in their food helps and also garlic. If

you don't mind your dog with garlic breath.

Tea tree oil also helps keep the little critters away. I sprinkle diatamatious

earth (a non toxic powder) around where the pet sleeps. Kills insects.

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

Bumpas wrote:

> Irene, what do you recommend to prevent/treat fleas on cats (and dogs)?

>

Frontline :-)

Preferably plain Frontline - not Frontline Plus.

It's effective and least toxic. The " Plus " is to me a minus- it's more

toxic and not useful.

....Irene

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>>I was always told that brewers yeast in their food helps and also garlic. If

you don't mind your dog with garlic breath.

**My dogs each get either a clove of garlic or a carsule every other day and

haven't had fleas for years - and after the first week or so they don't have

garlic breath either.

As long as you make sure of the right dosage it is o.k. for dogs but too much is

toxic but you are talking heaps and heaps there - I spoke with a herbalist and

made sure of the right amounts, which for mine would be up to 1 clove [segment]

daily. My dogs are both GSD's of between 60-70lbs.

With cats it can still be used but you need again to be careful as it has the

capacity to be more toxic with them but in the right amounts is good for them.

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Do you reccomend that for all climates? We have soooooo many mosquitos and gnats

here on the gulf coast of Mississippi and it is ten thousand times worse this

year due to all the water still hanging around from hurricane Katrina. I use

frontline now and I haven't seen fleas, maybe one or two when it is near the end

of the 30 days but I am not sure about it repelling mosquitos. I spray my boxer

whith Avon skin so soft when we let her out in the yard in the evening but she

is an inside dog with approx 5 hours a day outside.

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Bumpas wrote:

> Irene, what do you recommend to prevent/treat fleas on cats (and dogs)?

>

Frontline :-)

Preferably plain Frontline - not Frontline Plus.

It's effective and least toxic. The " Plus " is to me a minus- it's more

toxic and not useful.

.....Irene

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For a spray a simple 50/50 water and apple cider vinegar mix is very effective.

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Do you spray the water/vinegar on the animal?

Re: Cat question

For a spray a simple 50/50 water and apple cider vinegar mix is very

effective.

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I guess I was expecting a homeopathic remedy from Irene. I had one once that

seemed to work. It was drops that I put in their water, but I don't remember

what it was and I haven't been able to find it again.

I've used Frontline. It works, but I assumed it was toxic. It's good to know

that the plain is better than the plus.

Thank you everydody for the suggestions.

What is a safe garlic dose for a cat?

Has anybody used brewers yeast for fleas?

How do you use tea tree oil?

Thank you!

Re: Cat question

Bumpas wrote:

> Irene, what do you recommend to prevent/treat fleas on cats (and dogs)?

>

Frontline :-)

Preferably plain Frontline - not Frontline Plus.

It's effective and least toxic. The " Plus " is to me a minus- it's more

toxic and not useful.

...Irene

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I'm no expert, but there is a product that works for my cats. It is called

Neutralizer - it is from a multi-level marketing company. They make Miracle

II soap. I put about 7 drops in a liter of water which lasts about 4 or 5

days for my two cats. The company is Tedco.

There are no chemicals in their products, and I use the soap for everything

from laundry detergent to shampoo and body wash. No, I am not a

distributor.

Kate

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>

> I guess I was expecting a homeopathic remedy from Irene. I had one once

> that seemed to work. It was drops that I put in their water, but I don't

> remember what it was and I haven't been able to find it again.

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>>Do you spray the water/vinegar on the animal?

**Yes, try to spray them and allow it to dry before they go out.

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What is a safe garlic dose for a cat?

**Sorry - don't know.

Has anybody used brewers yeast for fleas?

**Yes for 2 yrs before using garlic and it worked too - altho I have come to the

conclusion that it is not just the garlic or brewers yeast, it is the

area/numbers of fleas you are working against aswell as the animal themself. An

animal in tiptop condition with a strong immune system will not attract fleas as

much as a weaker one.

How do you use tea tree oil?

**I know my homeopath/holistic vet does a mix of essential oils including tea

tree for spraying in areas that fleas would like or for spraying on collars -

this would be diluted essential oils or else they will burn the skin.

Crab Apple and apple cider vinegar are both put in drinking water [seperately]

to deter fleas but they need to be built up gradually.

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Hilchie wrote:

> I was always told that brewers yeast in their food helps and also

garlic.

Garlic is toxic to dogs and cats - worse for cats. It causes Heinz body

anemia so the red blood cells (which are still there) can no longer

carry oxygen. Dog and cat metabolism is not sophisticated enough to use

the benefits of garlic as we do.

Watch out for this as many food manufacturers have NOT done their

homework (also many vets!)

Brewer's yeast helps because Vit B1 makes ther blood taste bad.

You can also use balanced B1, B2, B6 supplements - but no natural system

is 100% effective and the fleas each eat 22 times their own weight per

day in blood - so it makes a commercial product like Frontline

worthwhile and in the animal's best interests.

> Tea tree oil also helps keep the little critters away.

Not on a cat or dog!!!!

Essential oils are all toxic to carnivores - worse for cats than dogs

and if you use it on the skin you will kill the cat.

They are WAY more toxic than Frontline.

It's reelevant to find the leaast toixioc way to keep fleas at bay.

(Brewer's yeast and vitamins are not toxic of course but they do not do

the job well enough.)

> I sprinkle diatamatious earth (a non toxic powder) around where the

pet sleeps. Kills insects.

And damages lung tissue.

Like Borax, not a good plan.

People forget that this is a 100% strength product - not a 0.25% toxin

or 0.025% toxin ... like Frontline etc. Diatomaceous earth is like

miniature multi-pronged swords. It is dangerous when breathed in and

damages delicate lung tissue the same way it damages delicate insect tissue.

If you care about pet health, use the LEAST toxic method that works.

Currently that is Frontline. It is less toxic than tea tree, borax (also

toxic to pets), diatomaceous earth (which should never be used near

pets, they breathe too close to the ground) etc.

Remember " natural " is not necessarily nontoxic - the earth's worst

toxins are all natural!!! And what's good for people is NOT okay to

assume good for carnivores either.

Namaste,

IRene

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J. Arnold wrote:

>>>I was always told that brewers yeast in their food helps and also garlic. If

you don't mind your dog with garlic breath.

>>

>

> **My dogs each get either a clove of garlic or a carsule every other day

VEry bad idea.

Herbalists do not study what happens to dog or cat blood when you freed

garlic.

You are predisposing your dog to sickness and inability to ward it off

due to inefficient blood capability and lowered oxygen ability.

There is no justification for poisoning your dog with garlic when there

are less toxic options.

Nor in my view is it okay to tell other people garlic is okay. The

scientific studies ALL show otherwise. Dogs lack the ability to

metabolize it into beneficial substances as people do.

NAmaste,

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danielle locke wrote:

> Do you reccomend that for all climates?

Frontline yes - for fleas. I do not know if it works for mosquitoes.

I set up a test for it in Cape Town (perfect flea climate) using 30

breeders and their cats, ave 30 cats per breeder, all ages from newborn.

We tested for flea and and tick effectiveness so and in such ideal flea

places it takes an application of Frontline spray (not Topspot, it is

not 100% effective) monthly to get 100% flea kill, and weekly to get

100% tick kill. It's effective longer than that but not 100% effective.

We did not test it for anything besides fleas and ticks.

[i do know it helps mites, though that was off-label last I checked.]

>> We have soooooo many mosquitos and gnats here on the gulf coast of

Mississippi and it is ten thousand times worse this year due to all the

water still hanging around from hurricane Katrina.>>

I can hardly imagine and wish I knew if Frontline did mossies.

Frontline does not repel - it kills on contact.

There's a homeopathic spray one can make to use to repel insects. I made

one to repel hornets as I am allergic. It helps a lot but also is not

100% and you need to spray it about all the time.

What about ultrasonic repellers, do they work for mossies?

BAsically they need to introduce a LOT of fish to eat the mosquito

larvae wherever there is water - but probably the water is stagnant and

would not sustain even a goldfish? (They can handle grubbier water than

some.)

When I was in Sarasota, I kept my cats indoors with mosquito netting

around the outside run.

This is not an easy one to solve unless Frontline does work for mossies

- sorry I do not know?

NAmaste,

IRene

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If essential oils are toxic to carnivores, are they toxic to type O people?

Re: Cat question

Hilchie wrote:

> I was always told that brewers yeast in their food helps and also

garlic.

Garlic is toxic to dogs and cats - worse for cats. It causes Heinz body

anemia so the red blood cells (which are still there) can no longer

carry oxygen. Dog and cat metabolism is not sophisticated enough to use

the benefits of garlic as we do.

Watch out for this as many food manufacturers have NOT done their

homework (also many vets!)

Brewer's yeast helps because Vit B1 makes ther blood taste bad.

You can also use balanced B1, B2, B6 supplements - but no natural system

is 100% effective and the fleas each eat 22 times their own weight per

day in blood - so it makes a commercial product like Frontline

worthwhile and in the animal's best interests.

> Tea tree oil also helps keep the little critters away.

Not on a cat or dog!!!!

Essential oils are all toxic to carnivores - worse for cats than dogs

and if you use it on the skin you will kill the cat.

They are WAY more toxic than Frontline.

It's reelevant to find the leaast toixioc way to keep fleas at bay.

(Brewer's yeast and vitamins are not toxic of course but they do not do

the job well enough.)

> I sprinkle diatamatious earth (a non toxic powder) around where the

pet sleeps. Kills insects.

And damages lung tissue.

Like Borax, not a good plan.

People forget that this is a 100% strength product - not a 0.25% toxin

or 0.025% toxin ... like Frontline etc. Diatomaceous earth is like

miniature multi-pronged swords. It is dangerous when breathed in and

damages delicate lung tissue the same way it damages delicate insect tissue.

If you care about pet health, use the LEAST toxic method that works.

Currently that is Frontline. It is less toxic than tea tree, borax (also

toxic to pets), diatomaceous earth (which should never be used near

pets, they breathe too close to the ground) etc.

Remember " natural " is not necessarily nontoxic - the earth's worst

toxins are all natural!!! And what's good for people is NOT okay to

assume good for carnivores either.

Namaste,

IRene

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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

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Bumpas wrote:

> What is a safe garlic dose for a cat?

Zero.

> How do you use tea tree oil?

Never on cats.

Homeopathy:

A weekly dose of Sulph 200C aqueous, can help but long-term is not a

good idea - and is not 100%.

A spray can be made but you have to keep spraying it.....

Staphisagria 9C, mosquito 9C, flea 9C and whatever other insect you

need 9C. Mix and make aqueous and use as a spray.

Finding the relevant insect remedies in any potency never mind 9C, is

hard to say the least. I made my own hornet one. (3 hours of grinding

and another one of succussion, with the right stuff, using the right

technique. So that's mainly why I did not mention homeopathic before.....)

Add in Vit B1, B2, B6 by mouth, about 2.5 to 5 mg a day for an adult

cat during " high season " .

NAmaste,

IRene

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Kate Lewicki wrote:

> I'm no expert, but there is a product that works for my cats. It is called

> Neutralizer - it is from a multi-level marketing company. They make Miracle

> II soap. I put about 7 drops in a liter of water which lasts about 4 or 5

> days for my two cats. The company is Tedco.

>

> There are no chemicals in their products,

With respect of course there are chemicals in their products. Even water

is a chemical.

Unless you know exactly what is in there and what effect it has on cats

at the metabolic and cell physiology level, it would be extremely unwise

to use it in cats. You can have no idea what long-term effects it may have.

The manufacturer is getting around the ingredients law by calling it

" soap " as soap is one of the very few products where the ingredients are

allowed to be " proporietary " . If they called it flea repellent they

would have to declare the ingredients.

If this was an above-board product, the ingredients would be divulged.

I would not support this product if you paid me. There have been many

such products which are always touted as safe by someone who knows so

little science that they don't know water is a chemical......

I would not be paying them to use my cats as their guinea pigs.

PAst history with many such touted " safe " products has included

everything from gradual liver failure, kidney failure, immune system

failure, etc...

It's important to know the ingredients - the chemicals - even if the

manufacturer says there are none. Only pure space is devoid of chemicals

:-)

Namaste,

Irene

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>>VEry bad idea.

Herbalists do not study what happens to dog or cat blood when you freed garlic.

You are predisposing your dog to sickness and inability to ward it off due to

inefficient blood capability and lowered oxygen ability.

**This is very interesting, as there are a number of homeopathic vets over here

who feel that garlic is beneficial for the dogs and should be given on a regular

basis. Even Day, Allport, and Saxton. A number

of these homeopaths are considered very highly in this country.

I know onion is toxic for cats and dogs but apparently garlic, even though in

the same family, is different enough to not cause the same problems.

I would be very interested in any info. you can share with me Irene, obviously I

want the best for my animals.

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Bumpas wrote:

> If essential oils are toxic to carnivores, are they toxic to type O people?

>

Not generally no - we have much more sophisticated liver function than

carnivores.

Carnivores have to travel light, especially cats as they solo-hunt.

We are slow walkers by comparison so we can have heavier more

sophisticated systems - and we do :-))

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J. Arnold wrote:

>>>VEry bad idea.

>>

> [irene]Herbalists do not study what happens to dog or cat blood when

you freed garlic.

> You are predisposing your dog to sickness and inability to ward it

off due to inefficient blood capability and lowered oxygen ability.>

**This is very interesting, as there are a number of homeopathic vets

over here who feel that garlic is beneficial for the dogs

Sigh. I know; They " study " with someone like Dr Pitcairn who is a vet

with zero homeopathy credentials (per his own website) but who

supposedly qualifies vets to be " homeopathic veterinarians " in 4 or 5

weekend seminars.

It's really upsetting to those of use who do 4 yrs of full time study to

know what we are about.

There are a few vets - VERY few who study the proper homeopathy courses.

Of the students I have at BIH (the biggest school for homeopathy), only

two are vets.

<< and should be given on a regular basis. Even Day,

Allport, and Saxton. A number of these homeopaths are

considered very highly in this country.>>

By whom? And for what?

Their work is appreciated as far as it goes in homeopathy - and it's not

as far as we'd like by any means. It's a developing area. They are not

so much revered as " the experts " as they are deeply appreciated for

*pioneering* the veterinary application of homeopathy in USA where it

was less well known before the booklets that they and McLeod in UK

produced (though vethom has existed since early 1800 or so.)

Either way their knowledge of nutrition is sorely lacking, and comes

from the same old assumptions other vets use taken from human nutrition

that do not apply to canine or feline nutrition - as the research now

proves.

It's time to move on and use what we know now from research - not what

vets learned decades ago in vet school based on whatever research the

professor of the time might have read in HIS time - or whatever human

application was assumed okay to adopt for carnivores. Practically every

research paper starts " We thought we would find thus and so as in

humans but it turns out cats/dogs are different...... "

> I know onion is toxic for cats and dogs but apparently garlic, even

though in the same family, is different enough to not cause the same

problems.

That is incorrect.

It's very much a source of the same and other problems. CArnivores are

unable to make it into something beneficial as we can. It's purely toxic

to them. So is allfalfa, especially uncooked.

> I would be very interested in any info. you can share with me Irene,

obviously I want the best for my animals.

My best advice is - read research presented annually in the

International nutrition symposia on canine and feline nutrition. Start

with 1998 and go from there. that's current and valid and

species-specific and it refutes all the human-assumption approaches in

common use.

Play safe. If the assumption is from human do not use on carnivores.

There's hardly a food on the market that is appropriately designed for

carnivores. (Propac is perhaps an exception.)

I am kinda tired, it's late, but I'll see if I can come up with one or

two garlic refs. You'll find the best ones all in the books that

document the symposia scientific papers presented. (Unfortunately the

assemblages are copyright so not on PubMed etc; one has to buy them. I

suspect political reasons but will not go into that here!)

Namaste,

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Alfalfa contains cyanide producing compounds (cyanogenic glycosides)

which will only be destroyed by adequate cooking. In humans, these toxic

substances are detoxified by the liver when ingested in small

quantities, but in the much smaller cat alfalfa frequently cause

vomiting, abdominal pain and/or diarrhea. Raw plant matter of any kind,

including alfalfa sprouts and alfalfa powder, will lead to severe

indigestion in the cat, who is not equipped to properly digest raw plant

matter as a carnivore.

Alone the fact that alfalfa alkalizes the body makes it a dangerous

substance to use in the cat's diet. Cats depend on a slightly acidic

acid-base balance; a high body pH - as induced with the use of alfalfa -

will put the cat at greater risk of developing urinary crystals.

Some years ago, before being aware of its toxicity, we mixed alfalfa

powder in our cats' food, because it was so highly acclaimed as a

mineral supplement. Shortly after ingestion of the food with the added

alfalfa powder (1 tsp/1kg of food), 80% of our study group suffered of

severe indigestion accompanied by burping and regurgitation of the food.

We did not repeat this experiment.

-----------------------------------

Reaction:

Intestinal irritation: nausea and vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea

immideatly after eating.

Plants causing it:

English ivy

Alfalfa

Beech

Daphne

Iris

Toxins:

Coumarin glycosides and Saponic glycoside

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" Lima and kidney beans are toxic uncooked. Both beans contain cyanide

producing compounds (cyanogenic glycosides), which can be destroyed by

adequate cooking. Small amounts of cyanogenic glycosides will be

detoxified by the liver. Cyanogenic glycosides are also found in fruit

pits millet, sprouts, yams, maize, chick peas, and cassava root. "

Excerpt from: Food Chemistry: Chemical Stressors and Toxins in Plant

Foods and Herbs.

Gislason, M.D.

" Alfalfa alkalizes and detoxifies the body. "

Adapted from Prescription for Nutritional Healing 2nd edition, F.

Balch, M.D., Phyllis A. Balch, C.N.C., page64

Garlic

The use of garlic and other members of the Lily family such as onions,

shallots, and chives in the cat's diet is not advised. Ingestion of

these plants in a raw, cooked, or dried form can lead to damage of the

red blood cells, which are rejected by the body from the bloodstream,

and a continued use of garlic or onions can eventually result in

hemolytic anemia. If the anemia is not controlled by discontinuing the

use of the plants, it can potentially lead to death. Less significant

but important is that raw garlic and onions irritate the mouth,

esophagus, and stomach and can cause or exacerbate ulcers.

" An alkaloid, N-propyl disulphide, present in both cultivated and wild

onions, chives, and garlic, affects the enzyme, glucose-6-phosphate

dehydrogenase, in red blood cells that interferes with the hexose

monophosphate pathway. Oxidation of hemoglobin results because there is

either insufficient phosphate dehydrogenase or glutathione to protect

the red blood cells from oxidative injury. The resulting formation of

Heinz bodies within erythrocytes is characteristic of onion poisoning.

(...) "

Marielle Gomez-Kaifer, PhD, Department of Chemistry, University of Miami

" Onion poisoning has been described in the cat by Kobayaschi (1981) who

reported a hemolytic anemia and increase in Heinz bodies in cats that

had consumed onion soup. (...) "

Excerpt from Nutrient Requirements of Cats, Revised edition by the

National Research Council.

Ref.: Kobayaschi, K. 1981. Onion poisoning in the cat. Feline Pract. 11:22.

" Some people may have difficulty with eating raw garlic as it can be

irritating to the intestinal linings. "

Lau, M.D., Ph.D. is a leading authority on garlic and health,

professor of microbiology and immunology at the School of Medicine at

Loma University

" Allicin, which gives garlic its odor, is a strong oxidant, that is, a

chemical that creates free radicals, which in excess, can be dangerous.

Allicin can cause stomach irritation and, in rare cases, hemolytic

anemia, destruction of red blood cells. If placed directly on the skin,

allicin can cause blistering. "

" Cats or Dogs should never be given raw, un-aged garlic because it is

very irritating to the mouth, esophagus, and stomach and can cause or

exacerbate ulcers. "

The Garlic Information Center hotline, 1-800-330-5922 at Cornell

University Medical College.

What are Heinz bodies?>

" Heinz bodies are pieces of oxidized hemoglobin; on a Romanowsky-stained

blood smear, they appear as pale, circular structures that often

protrude from the side of the RBC. "

The Merck Veterinary Manual 8th edition, page 1208

What is Hemolythic anemia?

" The immune response can become directed against the body's own blood

cells, including red blood cells, neutrophils, and platelets. In some

instances, the cause of this is unknown, and the body is truly reacting

against itself (an autoimmune disease). However, this is fairly

uncommon, and usually the reaction against the body's own cells is

initiated by exposure of the cat to a foreign antigen (...) "

The Cornell Book of Cats 2nd edition, page 276

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Thank you all for the very warm welcome back - it's a great feeling to

have so many friendly posts arriving in the house all at once:-)

, Back when, you asked - back in mid April! - if you could share my

posts re garlic in cats/dogs, and of course yes please do (assuming you

can still find them!) It is too little known how toxic they are.

Still on cats.. Tamara you said you put weights under your litter trays

- what kind?

I use large bins - 11 inch sides, ten gallon capacity. My secret is to

have vertical sides:-) Anything at an angle can be tipped. Large cats

often lean on the edge or stand with three feet on it, - needs to be

vertical not to be a messy disaster.

Vitamins for cat allergy:

> HI Irene,

> I bought some pantothenic acid and B6. The panto acid is Jarrow Brand

> 500 mg. The B6 is Solgar brand 50 mg. The naturopath who works at the

> pharmacy where I bought them told me to take one a day of each.

I use more like 3 a day in allergy " season " . But you need ascorbic acid

as well. I use a teaspoon of crystal ascorbic acid as needed.

> What do you say? How much is " lots " ? Can one O.D. on these?

Well if you take too much it is a waste as you will just excrete it -

but no overdose symptoms no, except the ascorbic acid:

If you take a lot more than your allergy needs to use within 4 hrs, it

can cause diarrhea. So the trick is to take it every 4 hrs (as the body

excretes it that often) and use as much as it takes to reach " bowel

tolerance " . A healthy person will not consume much - it gets used up

doing work - but with allergies that are severe, you might find you need

huge amounts.

For example if you get anaphylactic reactions to things like drugs or

bee stings or peanuts etc - then you need heaping teaspoons of ascorbic

acid often - like every 5 mins at first, then every 20 mins then less

often depending how severe your response is - during that kind of

reaction you can feel when you need more and when the stuff you took is

used up.

Still on cats.....

(Can you tell what my favourite subject is:-0))

> I am immune to all 15 of mine, but test VERY allergic - of course that

> is to the cat in the allergy test, not MY cats:-)

........

> Really, our allergist said that if you are allergic to cats you will

> be allergic to all cats - unlike dogs where I guess some are

> different. Maybe you've just become inured to the symptoms.

The allergist is all wrong:-))

Whether you are allergic to cats or dogs or any other protein (it is

always a protein) the way allergies work technically is the same.

How severely you respond depends on many factors, and with repeated

exposure, the allergist of all people should know that you can become

desensitized to a specific allergen and stop responding to it - it is

after all the principle behind the multiple dilute allergen shots to

achieve this end.

In my own case therefore I am not allergic to my own cats and because of

the desensitizing to my own cats I can also tolerate other cats but not

nearly as well. however now that I no longer have dogs, and no longer

work from a vet clinic, I have a worse time with any dogs.

The while idea of desensitizing to a specific allergen like cats - is

rally sweeping the problem under the carpet as opposed to addressing it.

The TENDENCY to develop allergies is what really needs to be fixed. Find

a good homeopath to do that though; doctors don't have a clue so they

just claim it impossible:-))

On to more crazy allergists:

(I used to work in allergy research,........)

<<There are 7 kinds of cat saliva, according to what the doctor told my

daughter 12 years ago. You can be allergic to one and not the other 6

from what I understood.>>

No there was a misunderstanding. Most likely the doctor had allergen

tests to 7 different cat saliva samples OR there were allergen tests to

7 different cat proteins including mixed saliva, mixed dander, mixed

fur, mixed skin, etc. .... and indeed someone could be allergic to some

cat allergens or even saliva of some cats and not others. But no there

are not different kinds of cat saliva, just different individuals have

slightly different proteins (DNA is a protein that varies from one

individual to another and occurs in saliva), and that's why you can be

desensitized to specific cats and still react to others.

Back to cats:-)))

Sharon says:

> So now I have a cat and I am learning all you need

> to know about cats. I have always been a dog person.

Would you like to join my cat health list? It is called Catwell. Just

send empty email to:

Catwell-subscribe

You can ask any questions you like there and/or search the archives.

By the way archives are easier to search as of a few days ago. You

can search on email address for example - BUT only put in the first part

- so for mine as an example - only put in furryboots, not the rest.

> Sharon, there is a homeopathic vet in Dundas.

Know what a " homeopathic vet " is. It is usually a vet who thinks they

know some homeopathy after doing a few weekend seminars with someone who

also thinks they know some homeopathy.

By contrast a veterinary homeopath is someone who has studied homeopathy

as long and hard as a vet has studied medicine (often longer, it is more

involved) - PLUS the study of patholgy, anatomy, physiology etc. They

will have a degree to show for it - like D.I.Hom or D.Vet.Hom.

If your homeopathic vet has DVM only - they have no real training in

homeopathy and are playing with first aid ideas they got in a seminar.

There are a VERY few vets who have DVM and a D.Vet.Hom as well. (My 45

students for D.Vet.Hom include only one with a DVM.) Very few vets do

real homeopathy training. It's not surprising as the principles for

medicines are practically opposite. Medicine hides symptoms - homeopathy

removes the cause of symptoms and builds resistance to recurrence. Not

the same approach at all and you can not do both at the same time. Most

" homeopathic vets " use remedies as first aid - not to build resistance

and solve the cause - but to hide the symptoms the way allopathic drugs

work - only rather more safely than drugs.

Check your " homeopathic vet " s credentials - if it is DVM only, then

he/she is a vet only and not a homeopath. Ideally you want a good vet

and a good homeopath - each one for different things - and each one full

time in the area where they are expert.

So - Don't confuse first aid with homeopathy, even it uses homeopathic

remedies. In other words Nux vom as a homeopathic remedy to stop

vomiting may work to stop the symptoms - it's good and safe first aid -

but if the cause is cancer, the cancer will still be there. You need a

full-time qualified homeopath to get at the cause of the vomiting (such

as cancer), and to remove it and build resistance to the cause (such as

cancer) - that can not be done by first aid.

.....I hope I explained that in a way that makes sense.

I guess that was several two-cent pieces tossed in:-))

Hope everyone has a FABULOUS weekend!

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "