Infant and Childhood Immunizations

[Guest guest]

I am struggling with making a decision about the

" regular " immunizations that are normally given to

children. I have a healthy 2 month old who is due

for DPTaP, IPV, MMR, Hib, HepB, Varicella, PCV.

I spent my entire pregnancy eating by the Eat Right

4 Your Baby book, having natural Bradley birth, and now

am SICK at the idea of givng her any kind of drugs at all

much ones with such potential long lasting damage. Has anyone

out there any sound advice?

Thanks very much,

[Guest guest]

do some research on DPT. my daughter was diagnosised with epilepsy at age 7. i

am beginning to wonder if it wasn't from that shot.

Infant and Childhood Immunizations

I am struggling with making a decision about the

" regular " immunizations that are normally given to

children. I have a healthy 2 month old who is due

for DPTaP, IPV, MMR, Hib, HepB, Varicella, PCV.

I spent my entire pregnancy eating by the Eat Right

4 Your Baby book, having natural Bradley birth, and now

am SICK at the idea of givng her any kind of drugs at all

much ones with such potential long lasting damage. Has anyone

out there any sound advice?

Thanks very much,

[Guest guest]

Avoid them like the plague!

Check into homeopathics.

My personal experience -- I have a single child and our state does not allow

entry into school without vaccinations. I mainly avoided the doctors and

" missed " many of the vaccinations that were required (there are more now). Some

of those vaccs. are not even necessary after a certain age (3,4 5 yrs old). I

found a Dr. that would let me refuse the P in the DPT.

After having to get a couple vaccs at once to start school, her vision went bad

and she now requires glasses. It was perfect before.

If you feel you ABSOLUTELY HAVE too. Wait as long as possible, do as few

possible at one time and make sure she is in perfect health.

Summary - WAIT ! ! and look into homeopathics for any troublesome symptoms

(imbalances) she may encounter.

Kathy

tracy_halfter <tracy_halfter@...> wrote:

I am struggling with making a decision about the

" regular " immunizations that are normally given to

children. I have a healthy 2 month old who is due

for DPTaP, IPV, MMR, Hib, HepB, Varicella, PCV.

I spent my entire pregnancy eating by the Eat Right

4 Your Baby book, having natural Bradley birth, and now

am SICK at the idea of givng her any kind of drugs at all

much ones with such potential long lasting damage. Has anyone

out there any sound advice?

Thanks very much,

[Guest guest]

Some states allow you as the parent to waive the vaccinations. Check your

rights in your state. As a teacher, I know not all children are immunized.

Last year I had a student who was not. If anyone in my class came down with

chicken pox, mumps, etc. he was to be kept out of school during the incubation

period.

Kate in sunny so CA (it is finally raining, hooray!!!)

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> From: kathy matthews <kathymatthews@...>

> Date: 2004/10/19 Tue AM 05:37:09 GMT

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[Guest guest]

oh Kate, lucky you " it's finally raining " .... here in Switzerland it's

nothing BUT raining for three weeks ... !

love

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[Guest guest]

kathy matthews wrote:

> Summary - WAIT ! ! and look into homeopathics for any troublesome symptoms

(imbalances) she may encounter.

> Kathy

I agree - but better still, if you HAVE to vaccinate, get the

homeopathic nosode for the vaccine first and use it twice a day for 7

days in aqueous form, with the vaccine on the 3rd day - then you will

avoid the damage from the vaccine.

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the extra expertise!

Have you seen on the news about the resurgence of Pertussis (whooping cough)?

Do you have any knowledge/experience with it?

Kathy

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

kathy matthews wrote:

> Summary - WAIT ! ! and look into homeopathics for any troublesome symptoms

(imbalances) she may encounter.

> Kathy

I agree - but better still, if you HAVE to vaccinate, get the

homeopathic nosode for the vaccine first and use it twice a day for 7

days in aqueous form, with the vaccine on the 3rd day - then you will

avoid the damage from the vaccine.

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

kathy matthews wrote:

> Thanks for the extra expertise!

>

> Have you seen on the news about the resurgence of Pertussis (whooping cough)?

> Do you have any knowledge/experience with it?

Hi Kathy,

The " news " is not my idea of entertainment and I don't watch it. Most

unpatriotic I know, but I get more out of watching other things and so I

just have different priorities.

So this is news to me that there is more Pertussis but as I work in the

veterinary field.

I AM seeing more of the cousin of pertussis in the vet field however

especially among cats.

It's one of the diseases brought on after stress of vaccines and drugs,

as a long-term side effect or after-effect.

What happens is the young kitten is vaccinated for everything they can

think of and then some before it even has an immune system that knows

what to do with the vaccines, it is spayed, dewormed and changes homes

twice, maybe given antibiotics for the adverse reactions - all in 3 days

- and for some reason this seems to be perceived by a too-early weaned

kitten as stressful.

The vaccine reactions look like cat flu and often are replaced by an

internally mutated corona virus called FIp which is deadly, but more

recently I am also seeing that instead of cat flu - the kitten first

gets Bordetella bronchiseptica (cousin of Bordetella pertussis or

whooping cough) and the FIp still occurs.

But what happens is that if one can get the FIp to come right - then

the bordetella re-emerges. It had been suppressed while the worse

disease was in charge.

I had a case like that 2 weeks ago. Kitten came to me a month back with

FIP - cleared that - and it immediately showed full blown bordetella

(also usually lethal in 100% of under 6 month cases).

I now see Bordetella maybe every month whereas it used to be every year

if that in cats.

My theory is that stress predisposes getting it, because in my opinion

it needs a system not in top shape to be susceptible.

There is only ONE gene different between the bordetella I see (which is

bacterial and affects any mammal including people) and the whooping cough.

The bordetella gene causes alkali to be made in the lungs - like oven

cleaner lye - and the pertussis one causes the toxin that induces the

repetitive cough. Both are very nasty pneumonias that affect the entire

lung system and mot just a lobe corner somewhere like a regular pneumonia.

I would NOT advise whooping cough vaccine - it causes the worst skewing

of immune system and it was after its introduction that the rate of

atopy went from near zero in USA to 40%. (Atopy is the state of being

readily able to develop allergies to things.)

It doesn't work anyway. If you are susceptible you will get it despite

vaccination. I know. I got it twice myself. If it developed the right

resistance antibodies nobody would get it twice right? I know many who

got it twice - I studied these stats on whooping cough in 1972 as part

of medical research I did at Creighton University. They did not want me

to publish the atopy results - and denied the cancer research funding if

we did!!! So it was not published. Sucks!

To avoid whooping cough either find a whooping cough homeopathic nosode

or get one made - or use the bordetella bronchiseptica one as partial

defence. I import it, dunno if it is available in USA otherwise. (I

import all the nosodes useful to cats.) You can also get it in UK at

Ainsworths, London or in South Africa at A White, Cape Town.

A good supplement to ward off problems by having a balanced immune

system is Moducare.

So I suppose those would be my comments on it incase they help?

I'll add that it would not surprise me if some cases of " pertussis "

are actually the " bronchiseptica " bacterium. The cough is not as

whooping but the lungs hurt like hell and you WANT to cough them out.

I had it myself, got it from dogs at the clinic where I worked when my

own resistance was low - then gave it tpo my cats - lost two litters of

kittens before I got it identified and under control. (Never lost entire

litters before.) In dogs it is not so serious - kennel cough - but in

cats, sheep and people it is a nasty, initially silent pneumonia.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Trudeau's new book 'Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About'

states that " Vaccines are loaded with poisons. Those who get vaccines are more

likely to become sick in the short-term and in the long-term than those who do

not get vaccines. "

Earlier in the book he states that required vaccinations came about because of

lobbying and bribes from pharmaceutical companies that make the drugs. It's a

very fascinating book.

Anne Crow

kathy matthews <kathymatthews@...> wrote:

Thanks for the extra expertise!

Have you seen on the news about the resurgence of Pertussis (whooping cough)?

Do you have any knowledge/experience with it?

Kathy

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

kathy matthews wrote:

> Summary - WAIT ! ! and look into homeopathics for any troublesome symptoms

(imbalances) she may encounter.

> Kathy

I agree - but better still, if you HAVE to vaccinate, get the

homeopathic nosode for the vaccine first and use it twice a day for 7

days in aqueous form, with the vaccine on the 3rd day - then you will

avoid the damage from the vaccine.

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Thanks much Irene.

Everyone with kids or planning to have kids should take note. (and pets)

I have a vet friend, about 3 years ago we talked about vaccinations doing more

harm than good. Allergies and cancer!

Kathy

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

Hi Kathy,

The " news " is not my idea of entertainment and I don't watch it. Most

unpatriotic I know, but I get more out of watching other things and so I

just have different priorities.

So this is news to me that there is more Pertussis but as I work in the

veterinary field.

I AM seeing more of the cousin of pertussis in the vet field however

especially among cats.

It's one of the diseases brought on after stress of vaccines and drugs,

as a long-term side effect or after-effect.

What happens is the young kitten is vaccinated for everything they can

think of and then some before it even has an immune system that knows

what to do with the vaccines, it is spayed, dewormed and changes homes

twice, maybe given antibiotics for the adverse reactions - all in 3 days

- and for some reason this seems to be perceived by a too-early weaned

kitten as stressful.

The vaccine reactions look like cat flu and often are replaced by an

internally mutated corona virus called FIp which is deadly, but more

recently I am also seeing that instead of cat flu - the kitten first

gets Bordetella bronchiseptica (cousin of Bordetella pertussis or

whooping cough) and the FIp still occurs.

But what happens is that if one can get the FIp to come right - then

the bordetella re-emerges. It had been suppressed while the worse

disease was in charge.

I had a case like that 2 weeks ago. Kitten came to me a month back with

FIP - cleared that - and it immediately showed full blown bordetella

(also usually lethal in 100% of under 6 month cases).

I now see Bordetella maybe every month whereas it used to be every year

if that in cats.

My theory is that stress predisposes getting it, because in my opinion

it needs a system not in top shape to be susceptible.

There is only ONE gene different between the bordetella I see (which is

bacterial and affects any mammal including people) and the whooping cough.

The bordetella gene causes alkali to be made in the lungs - like oven

cleaner lye - and the pertussis one causes the toxin that induces the

repetitive cough. Both are very nasty pneumonias that affect the entire

lung system and mot just a lobe corner somewhere like a regular pneumonia.

I would NOT advise whooping cough vaccine - it causes the worst skewing

of immune system and it was after its introduction that the rate of

atopy went from near zero in USA to 40%. (Atopy is the state of being

readily able to develop allergies to things.)

It doesn't work anyway. If you are susceptible you will get it despite

vaccination. I know. I got it twice myself. If it developed the right

resistance antibodies nobody would get it twice right? I know many who

got it twice - I studied these stats on whooping cough in 1972 as part

of medical research I did at Creighton University. They did not want me

to publish the atopy results - and denied the cancer research funding if

we did!!! So it was not published. Sucks!

To avoid whooping cough either find a whooping cough homeopathic nosode

or get one made - or use the bordetella bronchiseptica one as partial

defence. I import it, dunno if it is available in USA otherwise. (I

import all the nosodes useful to cats.) You can also get it in UK at

Ainsworths, London or in South Africa at A White, Cape Town.

A good supplement to ward off problems by having a balanced immune

system is Moducare.

So I suppose those would be my comments on it incase they help?

I'll add that it would not surprise me if some cases of " pertussis "

are actually the " bronchiseptica " bacterium. The cough is not as

whooping but the lungs hurt like hell and you WANT to cough them out.

I had it myself, got it from dogs at the clinic where I worked when my

own resistance was low - then gave it tpo my cats - lost two litters of

kittens before I got it identified and under control. (Never lost entire

litters before.) In dogs it is not so serious - kennel cough - but in

cats, sheep and people it is a nasty, initially silent pneumonia.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.