Re: Tooth pain/sinus trouble

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In a message dated 4/22/2006 7:39:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

I had a root canal that didn't take. About 8 years after the first root

canal I had a tooth ache and abcess from the " dead " tooth with a crown on it. I

had to have another root canal. You shouldn't have ANY feeling in that tooth.

The purpose of the root canal is to remove the nerve from the tooth.

Max

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YES!!!

But it wasn't the tooth and it wasn't the sinus. It was TMJ. I went to a

chiropractor who adjusted my jaw - no more pain. It was caused by having my

mouth open so long during the root canal. He also taught me a way to minimize

the pain and/or remove the problem by myself.

I will try and explain: If you open your mouth wide. Put your thumb inside and

fingers outside - at the back where the jaw hinges there is a muscle running

from top to bottom. Massage the muscle, it should release the tension. If

doing this helps the pain, then you know the problem. Do it several times.

Also starting at the ear - on the outside, pull the muscles downward very slowly

while you slowly open your mouth. Also repeat. This should help. Let me know

if it helps.

from Canada

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote: This is the strangest thing.

About 5 months ago, a tooth that had a root canal done began too ache. I went to

the dentist, he found nothing. He stated I might have sinus trouble and the pain

may be from the sinus nerves that run along the border where the teeth's roots

are. The pain went away. About a week ago, i began to have flu-like symptoms

(no fever), extreme fatigue, general achiness, sore throat (went away), itchy

nose,runny eyes. So as of 2 days ago I have an incredible tooth ache in the

same spot. I have taken pain pills for it and it dulls the pain a little. I

noticed that I ate something frozen and the pain got weaker. The tooth shows no

visible sign of damage and at times I cannot tell which tooth actually hurts. It

is on the top left either next to the last tooth or 2 from the back. Has anyone

ever heard of such a thing?

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Could be the tooth next to the root canal tooth, going bad and include an

abcess.

Could be sinus and swelling from whatever caused those other symptoms.

Have heard that sometimes abcesses don't show on xray, so don't let things go

on too long without resolving.

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote:

This is the strangest thing. About 5 months ago, a tooth that had a root

canal done began too ache. I went to the dentist, he found nothing. He stated I

might have sinus trouble and the pain may be from the sinus nerves that run

along the border where the teeth's roots are. The pain went away. About a week

ago, i began to have flu-like symptoms (no fever), extreme fatigue, general

achiness, sore throat (went away), itchy nose,runny eyes. So as of 2 days ago I

have an incredible tooth ache in the same spot. I have taken pain pills for it

and it dulls the pain a little. I noticed that I ate something frozen and the

pain got weaker. The tooth shows no visible sign of damage and at times I

cannot tell which tooth actually hurts. It is on the top left either next to the

last tooth or 2 from the back. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

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Definitely need to treat the sinuses. Here are some places to look. All look

very good.

www.nutribiotic.com (grapefruit seed extract)

www.xlear.com (xylitol)

www.sinusbuster.com (capsacin)

www.sinolusa.com (capsacin)

For your whole health do plenty of antioxidants, and probiotics. O's need to

be careful that the immune system doesn't become overactive from the overload.

Keep balanced.

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote:

I just found a pretty interesting site. Here is the link. It discusses tooth

pain and the location of the maxillary sinus is exactly where my tooth hurts.

It is just killing me. I am taking everyone's advice and going back to the

dentist just to be sure. Any tips to make this cold leave faster? I think my

boys may be getting it too. Soooooo many people here in the gulf coast have so

many respiratory problems because of all the debris and clean up going on from

hurricane Katrina. There is everything from dirt,insulation,mold, you name it

flying around in the air. It flies off the trucks. The house across the street

from me flooded (5ft of water) and the owners just left it. There is black mold

growing all over the inside of the walls. I would not dare go inside but some of

the other neighbors have been in there. Any advice on how to keep our bodies

healthy during all this?

http://www.aafp.org/afp/981115ap/fagnan.html

kathy matthews <kathymatthews@...> wrote:

Could be the tooth next to the root canal tooth, going bad and include an

abcess.

Could be sinus and swelling from whatever caused those other symptoms.

Have heard that sometimes abcesses don't show on xray, so don't let things go

on too long without resolving.

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About the time I had a root canal, my bite was also changing, it seems partly

from age, and perhaps partly from the new crown being a little high for a while.

Also I found out that I was sometimes grinding my teeth while sleeping. I got

TMJ *and* toothache. The dentist filed down a tooth or two and fitted me with a

mouth guard for nighttime. It's been years since my root canal but if I don't

wear that guard, I risk having the tooth ache terribly the next day.

Gretchen

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I may grind my teeth too. Sometimes when I wake up it seems like my jaws are

clenched pretty tight. Also, I notice that I dream ALOT... I can recall dreams

and it just feels like I dream all night so I may be clenching my teeth from

that. I am going to the Dentist first thing in the morning. We will see what he

says THIS time

mcpherson.bg@... wrote: About the time I had a root canal, my bite

was also changing, it seems partly from age, and perhaps partly from the new

crown being a little high for a while. Also I found out that I was sometimes

grinding my teeth while sleeping. I got TMJ *and* toothache. The dentist filed

down a tooth or two and fitted me with a mouth guard for nighttime. It's been

years since my root canal but if I don't wear that guard, I risk having the

tooth ache terribly the next day.

Gretchen

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Max, did they do an apical surgery to repair or did they go through the crown? I

just think I should pull it out if the sinus protocol Merrill gave me does not

do the trick. I may have both problems at the same time sinus pressure and a

failed root canal.

Maddviking@... wrote: In a message dated 4/22/2006 7:39:53 PM Eastern

Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?

I had a root canal that didn't take. About 8 years after the first root

canal I had a tooth ache and abcess from the " dead " tooth with a crown on it. I

had to have another root canal. You shouldn't have ANY feeling in that tooth.

The purpose of the root canal is to remove the nerve from the tooth.

Max

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In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:22:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

Max, did they do an apical surgery to repair or did they go through the crown?

They took the crown off and put it back on later.

[Guest guest]

I had a crown put on and then severe pain in that tooth and all around it.

I ended up having a root canal through the crown and then they just filled

in the small hole in the crown.

Sharon (Ontario) Canada

Re: Tooth pain/sinus trouble

> In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:22:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> tasdlocke@... writes:

> Max, did they do an apical surgery to repair or did they go through the

> crown?

>

> They took the crown off and put it back on later.

>

>

>

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Try EFT (emotional freedom technique) from Dr. Mercola's site. It should be

effective for jaw tension. I have used it for tons of things--though more for

emotional pain. I'm presently trying it for eye tension which I believe helped

cause my vision problems. I did a lot of squining. did not want to wear

glasses when I was in grade/high school over 45 years ago. I think my eyes just

" held " this tension.

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Maddviking@... wrote:

> I had a root canal that didn't take. About 8 years after the first root

> canal I had a tooth ache and abcess from the " dead " tooth with a crown on it.

I

> had to have another root canal. You shouldn't have ANY feeling in that tooth.

> The purpose of the root canal is to remove the nerve from the tooth.

Um - I just had a serious education in root canals.

It turns out that a lot of root canals that were done before digital

xrays came on the scene (and most dentists still do not have digital

xrays) were improperly done.

That does not mean the nerve was not removed properly. It means the

tooth root/s were not all sealed properly at the TIP. So if the root

canal material goes less than all the way to the tip - the tip will be

unsealed.

that matters because tooth material - dentine - is full of channels,

and bacteria can get through it to the root canal - the hollow pulp

where the root canal is supposed to be filled all the way down. If the

tip is sealed - the bacteria can not get UNDEr the tooth to cause

infection there. If the tooth root tip (or some root tips in a tooth

with multiple roots) are not all sealed at the tip - then bacteria can

get under the tooth down the canal and cause a re-infection - a chronic one.

To fix it - you either need to redo the root canal from the usual

tooth end - or if the tooth partly calcified in the meantime, a drill

will not go through that - then you have to get at it to seal it from

the jawbone end - through the jawbone by surgery. As I found out the

hard way on 5 root canals I just had repaired the hard way. They were

originally done in the days when dentists did not understand the

relevance of filling the canal in a way that sealed the root tip. I have

long roots and so in my case, maybe the standard things put in the root

canals were too short - but also they only filled one root of a tooth

with three - and you need to fill all the canals.

You can think of the root hollow as a funnel to funnel bacteria down

to below - unless there's a plug in the funnel at the bottom.

Research also shows a positive statistical correlation with cancer

especially breast cancer - with root canals that were improperly done

resulting in repeat chronic infection below the tooth.

So my advice with the current painful surgical discoveries as part of my

educational experience here - is that you go to a dentist who uses

digital xrays (also less radiation, no lead aprons needed) as the old

stuff is like a smear from a squashed fly in comparison; and your teeth

need long-term handling to last a lifetime without hassles to health

more than just the teeth themselves.

Good luck to anyone - I am SO looking forward to my own tooth saga being

over.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "

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Hello Irene, funny you would reply today about the whole tooth/sinus trouble

email... The original tooth that was hurting in the bone(root) structure of my

face is fine!!! I took a round of clindamycin and no more pain. NOW if I press

right next to my left nostril it hurts like mad all the way up to the orbit of

my eye(lower portion) and the pain goes right into my tooth at the roots. which

by the way is a different tooth than last time. (2 teeth closer to the front of

my face) This is driving me nuts. The dentist doesn't see anything wrong and I

have not had any dental work on this tooth in the past. I am at a loss for words

now. Is it sinus? is it tooth? who can help me? what can I do?

Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...> wrote:

Maddviking@... wrote:

> I had a root canal that didn't take. About 8 years after the first root

> canal I had a tooth ache and abcess from the " dead " tooth with a crown on it.

I

> had to have another root canal. You shouldn't have ANY feeling in that tooth.

> The purpose of the root canal is to remove the nerve from the tooth.

Um - I just had a serious education in root canals.

It turns out that a lot of root canals that were done before digital

xrays came on the scene (and most dentists still do not have digital

xrays) were improperly done.

That does not mean the nerve was not removed properly. It means the

tooth root/s were not all sealed properly at the TIP. So if the root

canal material goes less than all the way to the tip - the tip will be

unsealed.

that matters because tooth material - dentine - is full of channels,

and bacteria can get through it to the root canal - the hollow pulp

where the root canal is supposed to be filled all the way down. If the

tip is sealed - the bacteria can not get UNDEr the tooth to cause

infection there. If the tooth root tip (or some root tips in a tooth

with multiple roots) are not all sealed at the tip - then bacteria can

get under the tooth down the canal and cause a re-infection - a chronic one.

To fix it - you either need to redo the root canal from the usual

tooth end - or if the tooth partly calcified in the meantime, a drill

will not go through that - then you have to get at it to seal it from

the jawbone end - through the jawbone by surgery. As I found out the

hard way on 5 root canals I just had repaired the hard way. They were

originally done in the days when dentists did not understand the

relevance of filling the canal in a way that sealed the root tip. I have

long roots and so in my case, maybe the standard things put in the root

canals were too short - but also they only filled one root of a tooth

with three - and you need to fill all the canals.

You can think of the root hollow as a funnel to funnel bacteria down

to below - unless there's a plug in the funnel at the bottom.

Research also shows a positive statistical correlation with cancer

especially breast cancer - with root canals that were improperly done

resulting in repeat chronic infection below the tooth.

So my advice with the current painful surgical discoveries as part of my

educational experience here - is that you go to a dentist who uses

digital xrays (also less radiation, no lead aprons needed) as the old

stuff is like a smear from a squashed fly in comparison; and your teeth

need long-term handling to last a lifetime without hassles to health

more than just the teeth themselves.

Good luck to anyone - I am SO looking forward to my own tooth saga being

over.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "

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In a message dated 6/10/2006 2:03:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tasdlocke@... writes:

The dentist doesn't see anything wrong and I have not had any dental work on

this tooth in the past. I am at a loss for words now. Is it sinus? is it

tooth?

There are dentists who believe that the roots of some teeth (wisdom teeth in

particular) may extend through the sinus wall. Sounds like something is

touching a nerve or bacteria from a decayed tooth may be getting into your

sinus.

You might want to go see an eye, nose, and throat doctor. Nothing to mess

around with.

[Guest guest]

I sniff colloidal silver up my nose and it will clear up a sinus infection in a

couple days.

danielle locke <tasdlocke@...> wrote:

Hello Irene, funny you would reply today about the whole tooth/sinus

trouble email... The original tooth that was hurting in the bone(root) structure

of my face is fine!!! I took a round of clindamycin and no more pain. NOW if I

press right next to my left nostril it hurts like mad all the way up to the

orbit of my eye(lower portion) and the pain goes right into my tooth at the

roots. which by the way is a different tooth than last time. (2 teeth closer to

the front of my face) This is driving me nuts. The dentist doesn't see anything

wrong and I have not had any dental work on this tooth in the past. I am at a

loss for words now. Is it sinus? is it tooth? who can het can I do?

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Hi le - Your email came as one very long line:-))

<<danielle locke wrote: NOW if I press right next to my left nostril it

hurts like mad all the way up to the orbit of my eye(lower portion) and

the pain goes right into my tooth at the roots........... Is it sinus?

is it tooth? who can help me? what can I do?

> >>

Have you had a *digital* xray done - these can be blown up so the tooth

is more than a foot tall with total clarity. You can't miss what's

happening then. (A regular xray is nothing more than a smear by

comparison; it is useless.) I would suggest seeing a dental specialist

who has digital xray capability - so you can find out what's going on there.

Good luck!

Namaste,

IRene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "

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kathy matthews wrote:

> I sniff colloidal silver up my nose and it will clear up a sinus infection in

a couple days.

And you don't have argyria yet?

Do you know how fast it occurs?

One day it's not there- next day you look like a corpse - and there are

other nasty symptoms from use of heavy metal poisoning as an antibiotic.

It's an antibiotic all right - it's just not my idea of a safe one.

It does nothing good for your cells, and nor does it discourage a repeat

infection - on the contrary - it leaves toxins behind so the cells are

less healthy than before.

My choice for infections is Pyrogenium 200c or Calendula 200C or

whatever homeopathic remedy matches better.

Currently I use Pyrogenium 200c for all the infections I have or had as

it addresses anything pus-related. But I also add remedies to repair the

tissues damaged by the infections (arnica for muscles and soft tissue;

symphytum for bone; hypericum and allium cepa for nerves after surgery;

calc phos tissue salt for re-calcification after bone surgery).

It's a bit more involved than just one toxin to kill bacteria without

addressing why there was susceptibility to bacteria in the first place -

but it is a long-term health strategy to prevent recurrence and which

will build tissue strength and health.

I wish there were more people familiar with how to use homeopathy

however - it can be hard to find someone trained well. My own specialist

is a naturopath but I am telling him which remedies work after his

surgery on me :-))

Strange world we live in:-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

" Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it. "