Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Hi ~ I found Isocort to be very effective, but can't compare it to your glandulars as I never took them. I worked my way up to 14-16 pellets, which is the equivalent of approximately 35mgs cortisol. The manufacturer claims there is 2.5mgs cortisol/pellet, but many reported it not being as strong as 2.5mg HC. As I recently switched to HC, I can verify it is much stronger than 2.5mgs Isocort. You can find Isocort online at www.naturamart.com and www.endfatigue.com. take care, ~ -----Original Message----- Hi All, Dr P suggested I try Corteff but I don't want to go down that route just yet. Could anyone tell me if IsoCort is half way between Nutri Adrenal and Corteff HC. I am on 6 Nutri Adrenal at the moment but Dr P thinks I need a little extra help. I think I need a little more help but would like to try something a little kinder than HC. I am rather sensitive to medication. Can someone tell me a bit more about Isocort? If I decide to give Isocort a try, where would I buy it from? B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 All I know about Isocort is that it is more potent than Nutri Adrenal extra but not as potent as Cortef. I have not really heard excellent reports about Isocort, but that is probably because I think this is used more in the US than here in the UK. If you are not making sufficient HC, then you should replace it with HC . I believe that Jonny went from NAE to about 8 tablets of Isocort dialy without feeling much benefit. Luv - Sheila Hi All, I am on 6 Nutri Adrenal at the moment but Dr P thinks I need a little extra help. I think I need a little more help but would like to try something a little kinder than HC. I am rather sensitive to medication. Can someone tell me a bit more about Isocort? If I decide to give Isocort a try, where would I buy it from? B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Hi Could I pse ask you advice? My son is about to switch from 14 pills a day Isocort to h.c. How much do you think he should switch to in h.c ? and did you find a benefit from switching? Many thanks . Mo > > I found Isocort to be very effective, but can't compare it to your > glandulars as I never took them. I worked my way up to 14-16 pellets, which > is the equivalent of approximately 35mgs cortisol. The manufacturer claims > there is 2.5mgs cortisol/pellet, but many reported it not being as strong as > 2.5mg HC. As I recently switched to HC, I can verify it is much stronger > than 2.5mgs Isocort. > > You can find Isocort online at www.naturamart.com and www.endfatigue.com. > > take care, > ~ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Hi All, > > Dr P suggested I try Corteff but I don't want to go down that route just > yet. Could anyone tell me if IsoCort is half way between Nutri Adrenal and > Corteff HC. > > I am on 6 Nutri Adrenal at the moment but Dr P thinks I need a little extra > help. I think I need a little more help but would like to try something a > little kinder than HC. I am rather sensitive to > medication. Can someone tell me a bit more about Isocort? > > If I decide to give Isocort a try, where would I buy it from? > > B > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Hiya I read on another list, since posting my question to you , that each pill of Isocort contains 1.75 cortisol. So that means my son would need approx 25 mg h.c per day I think. Hertoghe says men need a lot more than women but he did not explain why this is in the piece that I read anyway. And yes, the tracking of the temps will help figure out the optimal dose for him. Thanks for this info. I will pass it on. I am interested in your muscle testing. Do you do it yourself? Mo > > I did find HC to be stronger than Isocort and have had some interesting > symptoms since switching over. I feel as if I'm slightly sedated, like I > took 1/2 a percocet. This seems to be from the reduction in adrenaline, as > the body has enough cortisol. I'm told this will pass, and it has reduced > somewhat. I am only 9 days in to the switch. > > Even though temp graphing (via www.drrind.com) shows I am not yet optimal at > 35mgs, I started to get some fluid retention yesterday. Muscle- testing > indicates it is not from too much HC, but from the stress on my > kidneys/urinary system from the synthetic. I am just today adding in some > kidney/bladder/liver support products and will report back if there is a > reduction in swelling. > > The recommended way to switch is to swap out one dose and hold for 3-5 days > then swap another dose. Someone on another list said their doctor found > using both HC and Isocort to be incompatible, so recommended a straight > switch. I did a little of both and switched faster than the 3-5 days. I > dosed my Isocort 10-10-5-5-5, but every three hours in the morning then a > bedtime dose. With the HC, I dose the same but its spread out to every 4 > hours. > > Temp graphing, I think, is absolutely crucual. > > take care, > ~ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hi Could I pse ask you advice? My son is about to switch from 14 > pills a day Isocort to h.c. How much do you think he should switch to in > h.c ? and did you find a benefit from switching? > Many thanks . > > Mo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Hiya May I ask how the muscle testing is done? I want to have a go lotsa luv Dawnx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 I have since read yet another post on the U.S. list saying one member's doctor had Isocort analaysed to see exactly how cortisol was in each pill and it came back at only 1 mg !!! I was seeing a health kinesiologst some years ago and tried to do the finger testing with no good result. Is this what you do? Wish it worked for me as it would make life so much easier Mo > Hi Mo ~ > > Switching over to 25mgs then raising based on the temp graph would be a good > idea. I've also read men need more than women. > > Yes, I self muscle-test along with having a holisitic practitioner verify > and have also been tested by a holistic chiro. It's really quite easy to > do. I've been using it as a diagnostic tool for about 7 years and find > it to be spot-on. I test if a treatment protocol/product is good for me on > a scale of 1-10, with 10 being optimal. So, I would ask: on a scale of > 1-10 how beneficial is Isocort for me at this time? Count up to 10 and test > the muscle at each integer. I find anything below 5 is a disaster, 6-7 is > marginal, 7-8 is beneficial, 9-10 is optimal. > > take care, > ~ > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hiya I read on another list, since posting my question to you , that > each pill of Isocort contains 1.75 cortisol. So that means my son would need > approx 25 mg h.c per day I think. > Hertoghe says men need a lot more than women but he did not explain why this > is in the piece that I read anyway. And yes, the tracking of the temps will > help figure out the optimal > dose for him. > Thanks for this info. I will pass it on. > I am interested in your muscle testing. Do you do it yourself? > > Mo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Dear Santa................ There is a device > http://www.trutester.com/ you can use to test. I've never used it, so can't > say if it works or not. > > take care, > ~ > > -----Original Message----- > > I have since read yet another post on the U.S. list saying one member's > doctor had Isocort analaysed to see exactly how cortisol was in each pill > and it came back at only 1 mg !!! > > I was seeing a health kinesiologst some years ago and tried to do the > finger testing with no good result. Is this what you do? Wish it worked for > me as it would make life so much easier > > Mo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 If you are mentioning the post on the adrenal group on 14th Nov, she said 1.0mg hc , not 1.75 Mo. This would put your son at 14mg of hc, not 25. Val Hiya I read on another list, since posting my question to you , that each pill of Isocort contains 1.75 cortisol. So that means myson would need approx 25 mg h.c per day I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 There were two different threads re this Val, the first suggesting 1.75 mg as the equivalent and then the second thread, which you read, saying her doctor had Isocort tested and it came back at 1 mg cortisol per pill. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer choice I suppose I don't know what the source is for the 1.75 mg suggestion Val. Mo > If you are mentioning the post on the adrenal group on 14th Nov, she said 1.0mg hc , not 1.75 Mo. This would put your son at 14mg of hc, not 25. > > Val > > Hiya I read on another list, since posting my question to you , > that each pill of Isocort contains 1.75 cortisol. So that means my > son would need approx 25 mg h.c per day I think. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Thanks for that info . I am taking 20 mg h/c first thing btw as per Hertoghe, do you think I should not be doing this? Mo > > The 1.75mg suggestion from Val was anecdotal; a report of how some feel the > comparison might be. > The 1.00mg was from an MD having Isocort independently tested. > > I was feeling quite awful on the HC, so I just switched back to Isocort, > dosing at 1 pellet = 1 mg cortisol. I was a little scared to take 10 > pellets, because what if the equavalence 1 pellet = 1 mg is wrong? If I go > over 10-12mgs cortisol in the morning doses, I could shut down my own > production for the day. Well... so far so good. The same sense of calmness > is there as the HC, but I don't feel weird and spacey and drugged, like I > did on the HC ... and my fluid retention (which went berserk on day 7 of HC) > is reducing with a bunch of renal supplements. > > Additionally, I did a cost analysis. Isocort is available for around $24.00 > per 240 pellet bottle, making it 10 cents per mg of cortisol. My doctor > ordered compounded HC that was running me around $48.00 for 120 5mg > capsules, which breaks down to 12.5 cents per mg cortisol. Knowing how much > trouble I was having on the HC, and knowing it costs more than IC (at least > for me, I know it is available more cheaply than that) I'm going to switch > back to Isocort. > > FYI: HC muscle-tested very low (2-3) for me whereas Isocort tested very > high (9-10). With this new doctor (who doesn't muscle-test) I wanted to try > and follow his suggestions, but am going to listen to my body instead. > > take care, > ~ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > There were two different threads re this Val, the first suggesting 1.75 mg > as the equivalent and then the second thread, which you read, saying her > doctor had Isocort tested and it came back at 1 mg cortisol per pill. > > Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer choice I suppose I don't know what > the source is for the 1.75 mg suggestion Val. > > Mo > > > > If you are mentioning the post on the adrenal group on 14th Nov, she said > 1.0mg hc , not 1.75 Mo. This would put your son at 14mg of hc, not 25. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Thanks , I too like isocort, but take this only sometimes in with hc. Val The 1.75mg suggestion from Val was anecdotal; a report of how some feel thecomparison might be.The 1.00mg was from an MD having Isocort independently tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I am on 40 mg h/c per day and as I was getting nowhere fast I followed Hertoghe's recommendation (in the files) and he says to take 20 mg first thing. So I take 20, 10, 5 and 5. Cannot say as I have noticed any differenc either way though and I have been doing this about two months. Mo > > Hi Mo ~ > > You are dosing 20mg HC ~ all at once ~ as your first dose in the morning? > How are you dosing your entire day? Do you have hypopit? > > If your doctor is Hertoghe ~ I don't think I'd question his recommendation. > Val, however, suggests any more than 10 ~ and at a max 12.5 ~ will shut > down your own production for the day because of the ACTH feedback loop. Val > would suggest multi-dosing that 20mg ~ say 10 or 12.5 and then another 10 or > 7.5 just 2 hours later. But, again, if your doc is Hertoghe and he's > suggesting 20mgs he must be on to something outside the norm. > > take care, > ~ > > -----Original Message----- > > Thanks for that info . > I am taking 20 mg h/c first thing btw as per Hertoghe, do you think I should > not be doing this? > > Mo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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