Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 http://www.itv.com/PressCentre/Tonight/Ep12WhatsInYourMouthWk08/default.html Monday, 16 February 2009, ITV - 8:00PM - 8:30PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Blimey, I am interested in this. I have a mouth full of amalgam fillings. I blame a dodgy NHS dentist I had as a child who loved to drill and fill. Booley x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 > > > > http://www.itv.com/PressCentre/Tonight/Ep12WhatsInYourMouthWk08/defaul t.html > The only problem is that just removing the mercury and other heavy metals contained in the amalgams only removes the SOURCE of a potential lethal combination. If they are making us ill it could be because we don't possess the correct enzymes to detoxify the heavy metals. Therefore removing the amalgams won't make people like this any better but can make them feel worse. The heavy metals especially mercury disable these very enzymes and stop them from working properly. This was the case with me. My dental amalgams along with the thimerosol in vaccines poisoned me but getting rid of all my large 13 amalgams and one gold crown with amalgam underneath didn't make me a lot better in 2001. It is well documented by people like Dr Quigg in the US Boyd Haley, Andy Cutler etc that these heavy metals disrupt essential enzymes causing high free radicals and oxidative stress. The main systems affected are the central nervous system and the endocrine system plus immune system. How they can say they don't know about evidence that mercury from amalgams does any harm I just don't know. With just a few Google searches one can come up with a huge amount of evidence and there is even a video you can watch from the University of Calgary showing what a tiny amount of mercury does to the brains of mice - they show damage to the neurons just like one sees in Alzheimers. It is highly likely that most people have some degree of poisoning but you wouldn't know because it is never looked out for at least the NHS doesn't look for it. Instead you are given diagnosis like dementia, MS, Parkinsons, CFS, thyroid disease etc Good places for testing are Biolab in London and a hair analysis also can give a good indication if there is likely poisoning present. I used to have terrible balance problems but these have gone since my amalgams were removed. I am so glad that ITV are running this programme but you believe what the British Dental Association say at your peril it is really that serious. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 > > I used to have terrible balance problems but these have gone since >my amalgams were removed. Pam if you don't mind could you possibly elaborate. Balance problems continue to blight me and so does the possibility that they might be amalgam related. I'm wondering excatly what you mean by balance problems. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi Booley, It doesn't affect all of us too badly and if you go for removal all at once this can cause more problems unless done at a specialist dentist. See the mercurymadness chat forum if you want info. I'm going for removal as needed and taking selenium which locks the mercury in place. Subject: Re: WHAT'S IN YOUR MOUTH? Blimey, I am interested in this. I have a mouth full of amalgam fillings. I blame a dodgy NHS dentist I had as a child who loved to drill and fill. Booley x ------------------------------------ TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 .. > I'm going for removal as needed and taking selenium which locks the > mercury in place. What do you mean by " as needed " ? Only when you have trouble with an amalgam filled tooth and would need treatment anyway? Thanks. X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi Booley, I have had ALL of my amalgams removed a year ago (by a holistic mercury-free dentist) and have learned the following.... If you can't afford to go the private route, but your dentist is willing to remove those fillings - do the following, to minimize any mercury vapour damage.... a) Buy some medicinal activated charcoal tablets from a healthcare shop (they are cheap), and before going for your appointment crush a couple of tablets at home, and put the powder in a plastic bag or sealed container (an empty supplement container would do). Handle it carefully, as this powder will stain badly. Take a plastic cup and a small bottle of water and a teaspoon with you for your appointment. c) Make sure (INSIST) that your dentist will be using a rubber dam (sp?) when he removes the fillings - preferably sort this out BEFORE you go for your appointment, but remind him/her on the day (just in case). Also ask for the assistant to be there AT ALL TIMES to provide maximum air suction close to the drill. With a bit of luck, your dentist might have extra suction equipment. If your dentist refuses to use a rubber dam, don't let him take out the fillings. The risk of you swallowing any particles accidentally, is too high. When you are called into the treatment room (not before) inform your dentist that you are now taking activated charcoal before s/he starts the treatment. Put the charcoal powder in the plastic cup, add the water and stir it carefully (! avoid staining !) , then drink the solution (it tastes of nothing much). For best effect the activated charcoal has to be taken about 10 minutes before the amalgam is drilled out, hence drinking it as just before you go onto the chair. By the time the anaesthetic has taken effect, the timing should be just about right. As has suggested, also take your selenium. I don't know why, but my dentist made of point of telling me NOT to take any Vit C on the day of the treatment. Would anyone on here have a clue as to why ? Good luck, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 ****When you are called into the treatment room (not before) inform your dentist that you are now taking activated charcoal before s/he starts the treatment. Sorry, clumsy wording on my part..... the 'not before' refers to drinking the charcoal solution at the last minute and not, as it may sound, to not telling your dentist about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi , Yes, Let sleeping dogs lie. I take extra Selenium for a few days after one has been removed so make sure anything accidentally swallowed doesn't get a chance to absorb. Subject: Re: WHAT'S IN YOUR MOUTH? What do you mean by " as needed " ? Only when you have trouble with an amalgam filled tooth and would need treatment anyway? Thanks. X ------------------------------------ TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 > > I used to have terrible balance problems but these have gone since > >my amalgams were removed. > > Pam if you don't mind could you possibly elaborate. Balance problems > continue to blight me and so does the possibility that they might be > amalgam related. I'm wondering excatly what you mean by balance > problems. > > x > Hi I got severe vertigo attacks very regularly that used to come out of the blue from 1979-2002. They were horrendous sometimes I didn't know if I was lying down or was propped up, I remember asking a friend was I sitting up during one of these bad attacks. I believe it was these attacks that used to terrify me to such a degree because I had no control at all over them that finished my adrenals off. I am also aware that low cortisol can cause balance problems and make one feel dizzy. Thankfully I have never had a vertigo attack since 2002 after the safe removal of all my amalgams but I did also get treatment for my adrenals and thyroid a few months later and that undoubtedly played a major part too. I also didn't used to be able to lie down flat on the floor or bed, and couldn't do inverted yoga poses but now they are no problem at all though there is no way I could do them first thing in the morning, it still takes till mid-morning before I really come to life and get some real energy! I hope you are able to get your problems sorted. BW Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 [[....The Department of Health in England has recently published advice to dentists and practice staff on local decontamination. Accompanying technical guidance will be available soon and copies of the complete advice will be sent to practices. Date: 24/11/2008...]] Who might have published this statement > > > I used to have terrible balance problems but these have gone since my amalgams were removed. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 , You wrote: > > ....I don't know why, but my dentist made of point of telling me NOT to > take any Vit C on the day of the treatment. Would anyone on here have a > clue as to why ? The vitamin is a mild chelating agent that is commonly used AFTER the amalgams are removed to help clear your system of metal accumulated in tissue. If any metal pieces accidentally get into your digestive system, the C would enhance absorption, which is exactly what you don't want. There are two reasons to avoid C completely, though. One is if you have kidney problems, including stones. The chelation would be an extra challenge to your kidneys. The other involves a missing enzyme (forgot the exact name), which makes susceptible people become anemic, a serious complication. I doubt that a dentist would even ask about these two conditions. Did he? Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi Chuck, It is also true that it makes you bleed more if taken before extraction? I am sure I have read this somewhere, but may be wrong. Val There are two reasons to avoid C completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 > I got severe vertigo attacks very regularly that used to come out > of the blue from 1979-2002. Thanks ever so much Pam. This was very helpful and has given me food for thought. Would you be prepared to hazard a guess if push came to shove as to how much your improvement was due to amalgam removal and how much to thyroid/adrenal treatments. It's ok though if you feel you are unable to. It's unfair of me to ask really but I am so wanting to understand all this correctly and I must say I like the idea of letting sleeping dog's lie, as put it in a post earlier. But on the other hand I don't want to be an ostrich and I do want rid of my vertigo which sounds very similar to yours. Thanks Pam. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hi Chuck, Many thanks for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense. *** I doubt that a dentist would even ask about these two conditions. Did he? Yes, he did . Before removing my amalgams I had a full hour consultation with him, where he first asked about my complete medical history (including any renal or absorption problems) , then he photographed and x-rayed all my teeth and then he showed me on his computer the magnified images (horrible !!!!), which was a real eye opener. He explained in detail what he was proposing to do and that - since all my caps were 25+ years old and the old metals they used then, not to speak of the horrors that might be covered up by those caps ( and boy, were there horrors !!!) - I needed to replace the whole lot..... which I did ..... 6 re-root filling, 12 new caps and (I've lost count, but) I think 6 visible and 3 criminally hidden amalgams later, I emerged totally metal-free.... The total treatment took 6 months, the cost was horrendous. But I can honestly say that now, a good year later, I feel on top of the world, as far as my teeth are concerned. The feeling better was a gradual process, helped along by my thyroid treatment. I did not do any aggressive chelating, but Gareth (dentist) told me to religiously take 2 drops (200 mu) of Selenium every day, and I am following Dr. P's regime of supplements anyway. I have only recently switched over to Armour from Levothyroxine and even though I've only been on it for a couple of weeks or so, I already feel the difference, in spite of being on currently only 1 grain..... I have promised myself, I AM going to get well completely, if it kills me !!!! I feel I am on the right road...... Btw, if you or anybody wants to check out my dentist (I know, you are in the US, Chuck, but you might want to have a browse around) , here is his website http://www.holisticdentalcentre.co.uk/ This guy is seriously goooood. Best wishes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Re VIT C I think you'll find it interferes with the local anesthetic. I think it reduces the effective time. So Dentist may need to give you larger dose or more than one for the procedure. I think Vit E is more a blood thinner than Vit C. Dental anesthetics also often contain Ephinidrine too. Its a vasoconstrictor so helps the Dentist by reducing bleeding. Its actually better to insist on NO Ephinidrine as bleeding helps with healing process & reduces chance of infection. Not to mention that some Dental Anesthetics like Procaine actually block Cortisol which is the last thing you want. Dont forget NEVER let a Dentist use Fluoride in your mouth. They often use it when soing a clean & scale. Some Dental materials used for fillings, crowns, caps etc are actually designed to continuously leak Fluoride. Lethal Lee --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi Chuck, > > It is also true that it makes you bleed more if taken before extraction? I am sure I have read this somewhere, but may be wrong. > > Val > > There are two reasons to avoid C completely > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 > Yes, Let sleeping dogs lie. > Thanks . Interesting to hear another point of view. I'm still mulling it all over! x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 I found the specific info on Vit C. This is from Hal Huggins Amalgam removal Protocols " Do not take Vitamin C the day of dental procedures. Vitamin C by mouth will shorten the effect of the dental anesthetic to literally around 10 minutes – after that, it is painsville. The IV form of Vitamin C does not do this for reasons unknown, but even 500 milligrams in the tablet form will detoxify the anesthetic adequately to let you feel the pain of drilling or surgery. " And heres another reason to avoid epinephrine anesthetics, they contain Sulphites. " All dental local anesthetics that contain epinephrine contain metabisulfite which is an antioxidant to prevent breakdown of this ingredient. Depending on the nature of the allergic reaction, this may or may not be an issue. Your mother's allergist would know and she could be tested with various " dental " local anesthetics, like 2% lidocaine with epinephrine or 4% articaine with epinephrine with a small skin wheal to see if there is a reaction. There are other dental local anesthetics without epinephrine and without sulfites. The two commonly used ones are 3% mepivicaine and 4% prilocaine. The duration of local anesthesia is somewhat shorter with these agents but most dental procedures, except for very extensive ones, can be comfortably completed with these drugs for surgical pain control. For longer procedures, additional injections can be used and for very lengthy procedures, general anesthesia can be used especially if your mother is in good health and not frail. " Lethal Lee ============================================================= In thyroid treatment , " tiscali " <valerieforster56@...> wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > It is also true that it makes you bleed more if taken before extraction? I am sure I have read this somewhere, but may be wrong. > > Val > > There are two reasons to avoid C completely > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Apologies - I meant to say IS IT, the opposite of the meaning I gave: It is also true that it makes you bleed more if taken before extraction? I am sure I have read this somewhere, but may be wrong. Val Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Val, You wrote: > > > It is also true that it makes you bleed more if taken before > extraction? I am sure I have read this somewhere, but may be wrong. Perhaps you are thinking of aspirin. Vitamin C actually enhances clotting slightly through the K channels. C deficiency increases bruising and bleeding. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Wow ...I couldn't resist having a look at the site and this is one seriously dishy dentist you've got there. Wish mine looked like that! No wonder you weren't put off by his prices! First name terms too...nudge, nudge, wink, wink! I did find the courage to check out his tariff and I couldn't afford him even if I wanted too. I am however going to make sure I have no more amalgam fillings and will try to get all mine replaced in stages. If I win the lottery I will definitely look up this Gareth, and (Clooney) can move over! Best wishes, Gillian, Btw, if you or anybody > wants to check out my dentist (I know, you are in the US, Chuck, but you > might want to have a browse around) , here is his website > http://www.holisticdentalcentre.co.uk/ > <http://www.holisticdentalcentre.co.uk/> This guy is seriously > goooood. Best wishes, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 [Trimmed] Hi ; That is some dentist you have there, thank you for the link. I live quite close to Farnham, (Liphook area). At the moment I drive to Bournemouth to see my dentist. He is absolutely wonderful although not as pretty as yours ! Regards Jane > > > Wow ...I couldn't resist having a look at the site and > this is one seriously dishy dentist you've got there. Wish mine > looked like that! No wonder you weren't put off by his prices! > First name terms too...nudge, nudge, wink, wink! [heavily censored by moderators] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 ***Wow ...I couldn't resist having a look at the site and this isone seriously dishy dentist you've got there. Hi Gillian - yeah, isn't he a dish? That man has the touch of an angel. I honestly (!) did not feel a thing when he set the local anaesthetics, nor when he pulled my two upper wisdom teeth (too full of amalgam for repair). I did not even feel as much as a twinge when he set the injection to numb up the top front to replace a cap.... and anyone who has ever experienced injections for the top front teeth, will know that this is probably the worst place for a local anaesthetic. As for Clooney.... I got right off him when I saw his reaction and heard him speak on telly at a press conference, where he got criticised by one of the reporters, who did not like his latest film.... he reacted like a spoiled child, hurdling coarse abuse at this reporter - A serious case of "looks isn't everything" <G> Hi Dawn - ***Best ask my dentist what all that is about then, he denies any problem with mercury So did my - now - ex-dentist. Before I found Gareth, I was signed on with a local dental surgery and paid the princely sum of (in the end) £ 50 per month for a contract with this practice to look after my gnashers. Everything was "free" on this contract - treatment, hygienist, and for any caps I only had to pay the lab costs, which amounted to about 1/3 of the cost for the tooth.... I paid out for 11 years, and went faithfully twice a year for check-ups and cleaning session. During those 11 years I had one or two minor fillings....and each time the dentist and hygienist told me how well I looked after my teeth. Then I was diagnosed hypothyroid. I told my dentist and asked him to please remove my amalgam fillings because I was now extremely worried about my health. He got very shirty with me and I got the lecture that they were perfectly safe (citing the American and British Dental Association) and all the rest of it. His parting shot was that if I wanted those amalgams out, I should find someone who would do it..... well, I do not take kindly to veiled threats - so I went onto the internet and found Gareth and both, my husband and I went for a thorough initial hourly consultation. I told him what my dentist had said, and although he made no comment about his colleague, after he had photographed all my teeth, he showed me what they really looked like (magnified on his screen !) - I was horrified and embarrassed and told him that I had just had a session with both, hygienist and dentist a couple of weeks earlier and was told all was in perfect order... now I could see that it was anything but ! Gareth told me that there was a lot written in dental journals about those financial schemes with dental practises such as the one I was on and a phrase has been coined - "supervised neglect" - meaning that those surgeries will rake in the money and look after the patients oral health, but they only do work when it can't wait any longer. Meantime they tell their patients 'we have to keep an eye on xyz and talk about it next time' ..... only 'next time' you hear the same spiel all over again until they can't put it off any longer. However, I worked out that over the past 11 years my husband and I combined had paid about £ 10.000 into this surgery's kitty..... and I was now going to get my monies worth. So I went back to them, told the dentist that I had taken advice from a holistic dentist, what I had seen on the screen (and I took a photocopy to show him) and how horrified I was about the state of my caps. He was shocked to the core about me seeking a second opinion and he changed tack..... he was now very amenable and offered to remove the fillings, but I politely declined and said I had arranged those removals with the other dentist - that kept him on his toes ! He could not work out why I would choose to pay rather than having if done for free (in truth... I did not trust him to do it right). But amalgams aside, I also knew that this particular dental practice could do a good job when they put their minds to it, so I decided to push my luck and sweet talk the dentist into replacing the worst 3 of my caps (remember, under the plan I only had to pay for the lab costs) and he agreed.... one thing led to another, and we got on really well from then on. He probably felt guilty of having been found out, and when I suggested to tackle the next 3 caps , and the next, and the next, he was putty in my hands.... it probably helped to have Gareth attending to my amalgams in between replacing the caps - nothing like a bit of competition <BG> It still cost a great deal of money, but nothing like the amount I would have had to pay had I just switched dentists there and then (which I dearly wanted to do - but could not afford)....Once I got all the sparkling new caps in my mouth, I cancelled the contract I had with them and changed over to Gareth for good. I reckon I got more than my fair share out of the deal in the end To quote Congreve: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" !!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hi Chuck, It was the anaesthetic thingee I was getting confused with. I knew there was a definite reason to not take it before the dentist, but was confused (it does not take much to do this at the moment). It is good to know that it helps re clotting though as I have had problems with this in the past. Thanks. Val Perhaps you are thinking of aspirin. Vitamin C actually enhances clotting slightly through the K channels. C deficiency increases bruising and bleeding.Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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