Re: calcium progress tracking

[Guest guest]

The discussion did get me to thinking. I'm not good about taking all my

supplements, so I plugged my day's food into that calculator at

http://www.walford.com/software.htm before eating dinner. I was low on a

lot of things, as I hadn't eating much, and Calcium was the major one,

Pantothenic acid was one also. So for dinner I included a few portions of

foods that include calcium, and brought it up to 60% of RDA. Then I took

some calcium citrate to make up for the rest and a little more. I'm going

to order some canned wild salmon with bones, and even try some sardines

again...last time I tried them I didn't like them, but maybe I just need to

try more brands. I'll make more improvements to get my calcium intake up,

and once I figure something out, I'll let you know. I plan to have more

children, so I want to be sure to get plenty. My main problem is not eating

enough overall. Of course I threw the carb/protein/fat recommendations of

this program out the window. The demo version is a bit unweildy, and

avocados are under fruit, but it's helpful.

- J

nonnie-O

Re: THE MYSTERIES OF CALCIUM

Actually, Belinda, for the present with Irenes problems and the timeing and

repercussions she gets from what helps her, in her case if might be better

for her to use the milk. That acid reflux that burns and ends with her

having pneumonia is what she has to find a way to deal with before she can

stop using milk of any kind. She's trying to stay honest and calm, and she

is fighting pneumonia right now from the 2 weeks she was off of milk, and is

trying to go without milk again, since she didn't get as sick as she nomally

does. Am I wrong in thinking we should leave the arguing part behind us, and

reach out for a new subject? I have learned from Max's list about foods I

never even thought of having calcium in them. I also learned some things

from Irene.

Re: THE MYSTERIES OF CALCIUM

> > Belinda wrote:

> > > Irene, you may have health issues that require you to have

> milk.

> >

> > Not quite. I have health issues that require me to have

> calcium.

> > So does everyone.

> > Lack of calcium is a serious problem for you, me and any other

> breathing

> > living human being.

> > So no my health issues do not necessarily require me to have

> milk.

> > But so far I have not found a workable alternative and nor has

> anyone

> > else on the list so far in the discussion of alternatives.

>

> Actually quite a few of us have posted alternatives. You just

> don't like them.

>

> > > Everyone is different. But please stop trying to make the

> rest

> > > of us see milk as something WE need.

> >

> > Nobody can make you see something you do not want to see :-)

> > Are you saying you are not in charge of what you choose to

> believe?

> > If you check my posts, they are about *calcium* and not about

> milk as

> > you claim. Milk is one of the sources of calcium - the best one

> we found

> > so far - but the issue is calcium not milk.

>

> Actually the best source of calcium is kelp.

>

> > Being in denial about the need for *calcium* - no matter where

> you get

> > it - is unwise for anyone. On this list or off it :-)

> > So you are twisting my words nastily in what you wrote above

> about milk.

>

> I don't deny the need for calcium. I didn't twist your words.

>

> > You have made unsubstantiated claims about calcium - getting

> " stripped

> > from bones by corn " for example, and I expected an adult mature

> > discussion here.

>

> Actually I didn't make the claim. I repeated what I read in the

> books. I'm sorry I haven't had the time to look through them all

> again to find the reference for you.

>

> > > We may be getting

> > > belligerent about it

> >

> > Why?

> > Why is information about calcium so important for you to avoid?

> > And if you want to avoid it, I presume your delete key is

> functional.

>

> It's not important for me to avoid calcium. It's important for

> me to avoid milk.

>

> > > but a lot of it is in response to your own

> > > tone.

> >

> > My tone is the very reasonable one of concern to find what's

> right for

> > me - and to discuss how to fix a diet that is deficient in

> calcium for

> > *everyone* on the type O BTD.

>

> Sorry but following every statement that might offend someone

> with an emoticon is not " reasonable " .

>

> > Both are perfectly reasonable objectives for this list.

> > Your choice is to ignore it or help it.

> >

> > I see no need to apologize for initiating a discussion on a

> nutrient we

> > all need. I should not have had to justify doing so as here

> either.

> >

> > Namaste,

> > IRene

>

> Nope, no need to apologize for initiating a discussion. The

> thing is you avoid answering the messages that DO give you

> alternatives. Max posted a whole list of them. I pointed out

> different ways to put it together to hit your target. But you

> still insist that it has to be milk.

>

>

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> The discussion did get me to thinking. I'm not good about taking all my

> supplements, so I plugged my day's food into that calculator at

> http://www.walford.com/software.htm before eating dinner. I was low on a

> lot of things, as I hadn't eating much, and Calcium was the major one,

> Pantothenic acid was one also. So for dinner I included a few portions of

> foods that include calcium, and brought it up to 60% of RDA. Then I took

> some calcium citrate to make up for the rest and a little more.

Dear ,

That sounds a very sensible approach.

I hope to use that website too some time soon. I'm recording what I eat

for a few days at the moment.

> I'm going

> to order some canned wild salmon with bones, and even try some sardines

> again.

I have a suggestion:

I use the sardines in spring water with no salt added. That way I can

add all manner of my own flavourings. Be sure to eat the juice that has

good sardine oil in it.

One I like is 2 slices of raisin Ezekiel toast brushed with olive oil,

plus sardines plus a tablespoon each of Mango salsa from Costco,

preferably with some pineapple pieces on top of that again.

I also make a kind of chowder with them, using rice milk, spinach and

millet, plus raisins. I thicken with 50/50 rye flour and rice bran.

(I add the flour first to the sardines, olive oil and liquid from the

sardine can - then add the rest of the ingredients using a wok, then it

mixes smoothly.)

Another good sauce with salmon or sardines that I like is " Lizard sauce "

if you can find it. I can get it at a local Zips fast food place. It is

a sweetish spicy sauce with red peppers in a jelly-like base.

Curried sardines, onion and veg is also one I like to make.

The idea I wanted to suggest though is to find tastes *you* like a lot

and try them out with sardines; you may find some pleasant surprises.

I've found it good to experiment. Now and then it doesn't pan out well

enough to repeat but the majority turn out nice. I stick to tastes I

already like - I just combine them in new ways.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Great ideas! I never would have thought of mango salsa with sardines, but I

love it with seafood. The chowder sounds good too, are the raisins good in

it?

Thanks!

Re: calcium progress tracking

wrote:

> The discussion did get me to thinking. I'm not good about taking all my

> supplements, so I plugged my day's food into that calculator at

> http://www.walford.com/software.htm before eating dinner. I was low on a

> lot of things, as I hadn't eating much, and Calcium was the major one,

> Pantothenic acid was one also. So for dinner I included a few portions of

> foods that include calcium, and brought it up to 60% of RDA. Then I took

> some calcium citrate to make up for the rest and a little more.

Dear ,

That sounds a very sensible approach.

I hope to use that website too some time soon. I'm recording what I eat

for a few days at the moment.

> I'm going

> to order some canned wild salmon with bones, and even try some sardines

> again.

I have a suggestion:

I use the sardines in spring water with no salt added. That way I can

add all manner of my own flavourings. Be sure to eat the juice that has

good sardine oil in it.

One I like is 2 slices of raisin Ezekiel toast brushed with olive oil,

plus sardines plus a tablespoon each of Mango salsa from Costco,

preferably with some pineapple pieces on top of that again.

I also make a kind of chowder with them, using rice milk, spinach and

millet, plus raisins. I thicken with 50/50 rye flour and rice bran.

(I add the flour first to the sardines, olive oil and liquid from the

sardine can - then add the rest of the ingredients using a wok, then it

mixes smoothly.)

Another good sauce with salmon or sardines that I like is " Lizard sauce "

if you can find it. I can get it at a local Zips fast food place. It is

a sweetish spicy sauce with red peppers in a jelly-like base.

Curried sardines, onion and veg is also one I like to make.

The idea I wanted to suggest though is to find tastes *you* like a lot

and try them out with sardines; you may find some pleasant surprises.

I've found it good to experiment. Now and then it doesn't pan out well

enough to repeat but the majority turn out nice. I stick to tastes I

already like - I just combine them in new ways.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

wrote: The chowder sounds good too, are the raisins good in

> it?

I don't usually use raisins in chowder if I am using salmon or clams,

but I find they go well to cut the strong sardine flavour so I do put

them with sardines quite generously.

I also use raisins in a curried hamburger helper type thing. Meat Curry

is good with a touch of sweet ingredients like mango bits or raisins and

served with hot-spicy mango chutney. I like strongly flavoured foods and

they help the fact that I can't add any salt.

I recently discovered fresh frozen mango chunks at Safeway. So that

for me was a new source of mango. Very nice.

The stuff that Costco was trying to sell under a mango label looked like

leftovers from someome's autopsy :-)

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.