Re: High blood pressure on Armour

[Guest guest]

Hi

Jan

What

makes you think it is the amount of Armour you are taking that has caused your

BP to rise. I very much doubt it is your thyroid hormone replacement and is

likely to be something else, especially as you are feeling so much better on

your dose. There are many other problems that could be causing your high BP

(what is it btw?). Does your GP know your BP has risen and if so, what has he

suggested. I would not lower your Armour once you have found a dose that is

working - you will, as you already know, start getting hypothyroid symptoms

returning.

Are you experiencing a lot of stress at

the moment, because stress can cause GP to increase. How are your adrenals? It's really difficult to pinpoint the exact cause for high blood

pressure, but the following could increase your risk: stress, obesity, salt,

for some people, age and family history. Physical inactivity and alcohol abuse

may also contribute. Chronic stress is considered a major contributing factor.

Many people find their blood pressure rising over time, because their stress

levels keep increasing - so if you have not done the adrenal stress profile, it

might be an idea to get this done Jan.

Luv -

Sheila

My blood pressure has gone up, and I think I may be taking too much

medication. I take 25mg thyroxin, plus 3 and three quarter grains of

Armour. I feel absolutely fine on this, and whenever I've tried to

reduce it I get symptoms back again. I know this is probably quite a

high dosage, but I'm no sylph so I thought I probably needed a bit more.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

My bp was 182 over 81, I have a bp device at home. I know its not

horrendous, but I thought if I was overmedicated then this would have

caused it to rise. I don't go to see my GP unless I'm absolutely at

death's door.

You have reassured me that it may not be the Armour. I honestly don't

see how I could reduce my dosage. I'm not under any abnormal stress

at the moment, but I am overweight and 54. I'm not one of those who

lost weight when I went onto thyroid meds unfortunately. Maybe if I

lost weight it would help.

Thanks Sheila.

Love

Jan

>

> What makes you think it is the amount of Armour you are taking that has

> caused your BP to rise. I very much doubt it is your thyroid hormone

> replacement and is likely to be something else, especially as you are

> feeling so much better on your dose. There are many other problems that

> could be causing your high BP (what is it btw?).

>

[Guest guest]

It would

help anybody who is over weight with a high blood pressure if they could lose

some. Your BP is too high though Jan, and I would visit your GP - because he

can help.

If you were

overmedicated with Armour, believe me, you would know it.

Luv -

Sheila

You have reassured me that it may not be the Armour. I honestly don't

see how I could reduce my dosage. I'm not under any abnormal stress

at the moment, but I am overweight and 54. I'm not one of those who

lost weight when I went onto thyroid meds unfortunately. Maybe if I

lost weight it would help.

Thanks Sheila.

Love

Jan

>

> What makes you think it is the amount of Armour you are taking that has

> caused your BP to rise. I very much doubt it is your thyroid hormone

> replacement and is likely to be something else, especially as you are

> feeling so much better on your dose. There are many other problems that

> could be causing your high BP (what is it btw?).

>

[Guest guest]

My blood pressure varies a lot. It might be 78/59 or 181/79. I have

concluded that it probably doesn't mean that much and ignore it.

Should I be paying it more attention?

Miriam

> My bp was 182 over 81, I have a bp device at home. I know its not

> horrendous, but I thought if I was overmedicated then this would

have caused it to rise. I don't go to see my GP unless I'm absolutely

at death's door.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

This is a problem I faced too. My BP rose to worrying levels,

but also cutting back on thyroid meds was unacceptable too. I tired with

my GP's support all the various typed of BP reducing meds- we should

avoid Betablockers as these inhibit T4/T3 conversion. All gave me side

effects, but finally we hit on a combination of calcium channel agonists

(Amlodipine) and ACE inhibitors ( Ramipril) which together with the

diuretic which I take for carpal tunnel syndrome was spectacularly

successful within days- with no side effects noticeable. The smaller

doses together worked where the larger single doses made me feel sick

and dizzy.

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Subject: High blood pressure on Armour

Hi Sheila

My blood pressure has gone up, and I think I may be taking too much

medication. I take 25mg thyroxin, plus 3 and three quarter grains of

Armour. I feel absolutely fine on this, and whenever I've tried to

reduce it I get symptoms back again.

Love

Jan

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[Guest guest]

Sometimes these home devices arent very accurate, i have one and i can take my bp twice, one after the other and get completely different readings. I get the nurse to do it now when I have my blood done, last time it was 140/80, nothing was said and its been higher.

My blood pressure varies a lot. It might be 78/59 or 181/79. Miriam> My bp was 182 over 81, I have a bp device at home. I know its not> horrendous, but I thought if I was overmedicated then this wouldhave caused it to rise. I don't go to see my GP unless I'm absolutelyat death's door.

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone whose answered my post.

Its lovely to know there's some sensible advice out there.

Unfortunately my blood pressure device is extremely accurate and I

take it at different times of the day, just to make sure. The

readings are consistently high.

I don't quite understand why my blood pressure has risen, but looking

at the notes I've kept it seems to coincide with adding 25mg of

thyroxin. My blood pressure was absolutely fine when I was on Armour

alone, but I wasn't quite right, as I still has brain fog at times, I

often couldn't get my words out, and my weight was still going up. I

felt so much better on when I added the thyroxin. Everything felt

better, my weight stabilised, and I thought I'd finally cracked it.

Its probably nothing to do with my medication and more to do with the

extra three stones I've been carrying around. I had a talk with my

husband, who said we could go on a diet together and both lose our

excess weight, which has really cheered me up. I guess there's always

Bp pills as a last resort.

Many thanks again.

Love

Jan

>

> Sometimes these home devices arent very accurate, i have one and i

can take my bp twice, one after the other and get completely

different readings. I get the nurse to do it now when I have my blood

done, last time it was 140/80, nothing was said and its been higher.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

Before giving up on this did you try a small increase in Armour?

Maybe this will be better tolerated that the addition of T4 ( makes me

feel very odd).

Subject: Re: High blood pressure on Armour

I don't quite understand why my blood pressure has risen, but looking

at the notes I've kept it seems to coincide with adding 25mg of

thyroxin. My blood pressure was absolutely fine when I was on Armour

alone, but I wasn't quite right, as I still has brain fog at times, I

often couldn't get my words out, and my weight was still going up. I

felt so much better on when I added the thyroxin. Everything felt

better,

Bp pills as a last resort.

Many thanks again.

Love

Jan

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practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan; You know it might well be the thyroxin that is causing your

blood pressure. I am mildly hypertensive and when I was on T4 alone

my blood pressure shot up. At one point it was 200/125 with a heart

rate of 120. That was one of the reasons given by the Endoprat to

totally stop my taking any thyroid medication ! Fortunately I had

joined this site and on the following day I started Armour. After

seeing Dr. P. last autumn I added T3 to the mix and my blood pressure

has decreased markedly. Last night it was 134/76. The only problem

I had left was a highish heart rate. A few weeks ago Sheila

suggested adding some magnesium and my heart rate has dropped to 88.

Perhaps you might try stopping the T4 for a few days and see if your

blood pressure starts to come down. Kind regards Jane

>

> I just wanted to say thank you to everyone whose answered my post.

> Its lovely to know there's some sensible advice out there.

>

> Unfortunately my blood pressure device is extremely accurate and I

> take it at different times of the day, just to make sure. The

> readings are consistently high.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

When I was in the gp's office, my blood pressure was high. When my

naturopath took my bp it was normal. The gp decided that a 24hr blood

pressure cuff was the best way of working out whether I had a blood

pressure problem or not. Turned out that i have 'borderline to mild'

hypertension.

Perhaps you might like to consider doing a 24hr test too. My doc

ordered the hire of a bp cuff from a local hospital. I live in

Australia, so I'm not sure what the situation is over there in the UK

with hiring bp cuffs.

P

[Guest guest]

Hi girls,

I've decided to cut down on the T4 for a bit. I feel that it might be

causing it, so this morning I only had my Armour. Two hours later I

felt very light-headed and weird, but things settled down later on.

I don't know whether to stop the T4 completely for a while and monitor

my blood pressure, or just take 25mg every other day instead of every

day. I'll see how I feel. Its a bit of an experiment, but my body

always responds very quickly so I should be able to see a trend within

a week or so. If my blood pressure stays the same over the next few

weeks, then it really is my weight (and my age) that's the problem (I

don't smoke or drink so it can't be that).

I think I read somewhere that thyroxin is a petro chemical and doesn't

suit some people, so it could even be that.

We'll see. I will let you know how it goes.

Love

Janet

> Hi Jan; You know it might well be the thyroxin that is causing your

> blood pressure. I am mildly hypertensive and when I was on T4 alone

> my blood pressure shot up. At one point it was 200/125 with a heart

> rate of 120. That was one of the reasons given by the Endoprat to

> totally stop my taking any thyroid medication ! Fortunately I had

> joined this site and on the following day I started Armour. After

> seeing Dr. P. last autumn I added T3 to the mix and my blood pressure

> has decreased markedly.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet

Sorry to appear thick but I'm not sure what you mean by this. What is a

petro chemcical?

Thanks,

Gillian

>

> Hi girls,

>

> I've decided to cut down on the T4 for a bit. >

> I think I read somewhere that thyroxin is a petro chemical and doesn't

> suit some people, so it could even be that.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gilliam

According to Wikipedia its

"

chemical products made from raw materials of petroleum or other

hydrocarbon origin. "

Its synthetic, not the real thing like Armour, so it has to be made

from something. Lots of things are made from petro chemicals.

But please don't quote me on this, I'm googling frantically trying to

remember where I read it.

Love

Jan

> Hi Janet

>

> Sorry to appear thick but I'm not sure what you mean by this. What is a

> petro chemcical?

>

> Thanks,

> Gillian

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[Guest guest]

Hi P,

Our surgery has a supply of nifty little kits with the BP cuff

attached and accompanying forms to fill in when taking BP 10 times

during the day for 3 days.

Subject: Re: High blood pressure on Armour

Jan,

Perhaps you might like to consider doing a 24hr test too. My doc

ordered the hire of a bp cuff from a local hospital. I live in

Australia, so I'm not sure what the situation is over there in the UK

with hiring bp cuffs.

P

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TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

I had no idea...I thought levothyroxine was a synthetic version of the

thryoid hormone in 'sodium' format.

What do I know!!

Gillian

>

>

> According to Wikipedia its

> "

> chemical products made from raw materials of petroleum or other

> hydrocarbon origin. "

>

> Its synthetic, not the real thing like Armour, so it has to be made

> from something. Lots of things are made from petro chemicals.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gillian

I've been trying to find the information again, I had a feeling I got

it from Shomon's site, but I can't find it again, I will keep trying.

Please don't quote me on this, I might have got it wrong, but I would

like to find that site again just to confirm it to myself.

I'm getting a bit fed up with taking my blood pressure so many times.

It feels as if my arm is about to drop off, and its always pretty

much the same readings. Ah well..

Jan

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> I had no idea...I thought levothyroxine was a synthetic version of the

> thryoid hormone in 'sodium' format.

>

> What do I know!!

>

> Gillian

>

[Guest guest]

[Trimmed]

Hello, Jan.

I am not expert, but today I researched the internet for thyroid

disorders about the B.P.. The optimal gap between S.P. and D.P. should

around 30-40 for euthyroid and healthy people according to the WHO.

If the pressure gap is higher than 40, you are hyperthyroidism in case

that you don't have other conditions. If it is lower than 25-30, you are

hypo. And as far as I know, the gap bt S.P. and D.P. contributes to the

Basal Metabolic Rate, which is also a sensitive indicator of your

metabolism with thyroid hormones as the Basal Body Temp is the secondary

indicator of B.M. R., too.

After doing the simple math of your B.P., since your B.P. gap is over

than 100, you are hyper in case that you don't have other causes to be

like that.

Regarding the high B.P., I think ,that is another topic where others

were talking about.

Fragrance

>

> Hi Sheila

>

> My bp was 182 over 81, I have a bp device at home. I know its not

> horrendous, but I thought if I was overmedicated then this would

> have caused it to rise. I don't go to see my GP unless I'm

> absolutely at death's door.

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[Guest guest]

Is

this it? http://thyroid.about.com/cs/drugdatabase/f/levothyroxine.htm

I've been trying to find the information again, I had

a feeling I got

it from Shomon's site, but I can't find it again, I will keep trying.

Please don't quote me on this, I might have got it wrong, but I would

like to find that site again just to confirm it to myself.

[Guest guest]

Hi Fragrance and every body - please can you write out

the full name first and then put the initials in brackets next to it the first

time you write, rather than the initials only. For many members, they have no

idea what B.P. - S.P. - D.P . or W.H.O. stand for.

Thanks

Luv - Sheila

I am not expert, but today I researched the internet for thyroid

disorders about the B.P.. The optimal gap between S.P. and D.P. should

around 30-40 for euthyroid and healthy people according to the WHO.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Unfortunately not. I will keep trying to find it. I wish I'd have

bookmarked the page.

Thank you, Fragrance. I did suspect that I was hyper, now you've

confirmed it. I am going to print it out and keep it by me.

Its my own silly fault for not watching the signs. Never mind, its

just a question of reducing until I get to the right level. What an

idiot I am, I could kick myself.

Love

Jan

>

> Is this it? http://thyroid.about.com/cs/drugdatabase/f/levothyroxine.htm

>

> I've been trying to find the information again, I had a feeling I got

> it from Shomon's site, but I can't find it again, I will keep

trying.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gillian,

It is, but how they construct the artificial molecule and

what from I have no idea. All I know is that is does nothing for me

other than to reduce my TSH. We all react differently to thyroid meds

depending on our ability to convert T4 to T3 or other post thyroid

deficiencies which is partly why the docs find us so difficult to treat

as there is not one simple answer for everyone. Ask Sheila to send you

her list of endos- there may be one in your area who is known to think

outside the T4 only box.

Re: High blood pressure on Armour

Hi Janet,

I had no idea...I thought levothyroxine was a synthetic version of the

thryoid hormone in 'sodium' format.

What do I know!!

Gillian

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TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

Sorry to post back late, Sheila.

B.P. is Blood Pressure

S.P. is Systolic Pressure

D.P. is Diastolic Pressure.

S.P. minus D.P.=Pulse Pressure

WHO=World health Orgnization

Fragrance

>

> Hi Fragrance and every body - please can you write out the full name

> first and then put the initials in brackets next to it the first time > you

write, rather than the initials only. For many members, they have > no idea what

B.P. - S.P. - D.P . or W.H.O. stand for.

>

> Thanks

>

> Luv - Sheila