Re: hearing aids and myxoedema - ear wax

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Tell me about it..I've got one too, mine is diabetic and also on

medication for high blood pressure and always insists he feels great!

He laughs at me when I am swallowing all my new supplements....don't

worry...I'll show him before I'm done.

Gillian

>

> HI Marie

>

>

> What do we do with these men who pretend everything is absolutely

> fine and THEY need no supplements.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

I KNOW.... You'd think we were trying to poison them..... I keep

telling mine the life assurance isnt high enough for me to risk it

I hope the zine & B12 work for . It would be great if it did;

such a simple remedy and no need for doctors.

Marie xx

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Firs ask him to be checked for excessive ear wax- my OH suffers from

this and when I ask him to turn the radio and Tv down then he knows to take action. It may be

something as simple as this. I have had tinnitus for most of my life, but it is

no more than a nuisance unless I’m tired.

Subject: RE:

Re: hearing aids and myxoedema - ear wax

I have

noticed is starting to become a bit deaf - though he denies this and

gets annoyed when I complain that he isn't listening to what I said. He

complains of tinnitus recently too. Does anybody know how best to treat this?

luv

- Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Thank

you Bob - Holland and Barrett it is then.

Luv -

Sheila

Holland & Barrett do 800micrograms folic acid for about £7.

I get mine prescribed at 5mg and it's very cheap too, so doesn't make

waves with GPs

2x or 3x 800mcg = 1.6 - 2.4mg

[Guest guest]

The thing to do here Tracey is to

collect as many references as you can and put them altogether to send to your

solicitor. The doctors in question, together with the audiologist and

endocrinologists should be asked to send you citations to research showing that

hearing loss has nothing whatsoever to do with hypothyroidism or carbon

monoxide poisoning. They CANNOT ignore all the research and science showing

this. Here are some links to get you going….

Luv -

Sheila

http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijorl/vol6n1/loss.xml

Hatice Emir, Zeynep Kizilkaya, Kursat

Ceylan, Hakan Gocmen: Early Resolution Of Bilateral Sudden Sensorineural

Hearing Loss Due To Acute Carbon Monoxide Intoxication With Normobaric Oxygen,

Systemic Steroid, Dextran And Piracetam Treatment. The Internet Journal of Otorhinolaryngology. 2007. Volume

6 Number 1.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12625889?dopt=AbstractPlus

Exposure

to carbon monoxide is a well-recognized cause of morbidity and mortality. Both

acute accidental poisoning and chronic exposure are associated with a range of

adverse health effects. We report two cases of carbon monoxide poisoning with

the associated phenomenon of sensorineural hearing loss. Although hearing loss

as a result of acute carbon monoxide exposure has previously been described,

here we emphasize the need to consider chronic exposure to carbon monoxide as a

potentially reversible cause of sensorineural hearing loss if diagnosed and

treated early.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/898515?dopt=Abstract

Hearing loss of a central type secondary to

carbon monoxide poisoning.

Makishima

K, Keane

WM, Vernose

GV, Snow

JB Jr.

The effect of carbon monoxide poisoning on the threshold sensitivity of the

responses from the auditory cortex, inferior colliculus, and cochlea to

acoustic stimuli in guinea pigs was studied. The toxicity of carbon monoxide is

believed to be secondary to tissue hypoxia and is partially reversible. Loss of

auditory threshold sensitivity in carbon monoxide poisoning is most prominent

at the auditory cortex. The loss of sensitivity at the inferior colliculus is

the next most severe. There is no loss of sensitivity at the cochlea. The

relative vulnerability of the central auditory pathway to carbon monoxide

poisoning as compared with the end organ is demonstrated.

Publication Types: Research

Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.

PMID: 898515 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0165587602002021

We

present an unusual case of temporary sensorineural hearing loss in a 6-year-old

child due to carbon monoxide. This was shown on both the audiograms and

confirmed with objective testing using otoacoustic emissions. Carbon monoxide

poisoning is one of the few recognised causes of reversible sensorineural

hearing loss, though it may also lead to a permanent deficit. This is discussed

along with other potential causes of reversible sensorineural hearing loss.

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http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120076567/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

Deafness

and peripheral neuropathy are relatively rare complications of carbon monoxide

intoxication. A case of carbon monoxide intoxication is presented with

bilateral hearing loss and tinnitus, weakness and sensory impairment in the

left hand, and weakness and atrophy of the left quadriceps femoris and

hamstring muscles.

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It is IMPOSSIBLE to get that taken seriously by the medical

profession. In the last few years, 6 doctors, 2 audiologists and 1

endocrinologist have all stated categorically that hearing loss is not

associated with either thyroid problems or carbon monoxide poisoning.

My solicitor has been the only one who has anecdotal evidence from his

other Carbon Monoxide poisoned clients that CO poisoning may lead to

deafness. Unfortunately he needs expert medical confirmation for it to

stand up. I'm losing my case because no one can agree what caused all

my problems as it can only be one thing or another and not a

combination of factors - which my case clearly is.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Do the same as I do and say ‘have you taken your meds’- just

like you would to ask if a child has done it’s

homework!!

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Re: hearing aids and myxoedema - ear wax

HI Marie

has just read this article and

has decided to add some zinc to his B12 which he has just told me he has not

been taking for some time. What do we do with these men who pretend everything

is absolutely fine and THEY need no supplements.

Luv

- Sheila

[Guest guest]

I

do - all the time

Hi Sheila,

Do the same as I do and say ‘have you taken your meds’- just like

you would to ask if a child has done it’s

homework!!

[Guest guest]

That figures Bob! Poor mum's meniere's first struck when she was

living on coffee to stay awake through the day. Of course once her

thyroid was adequately treated, the coffee guzzling wasn't necessary

any more.

Tracey

>

> Hi Tracey

>

> Carbon Monoxide is released during the break up of haemoglobin and

> the CO acts as a signalling molecule...will look.

>

> Meniere's disease can be associated with too much caffeine.

>

> Caffeine is like amphetamine, it sends you into 'over-drive'.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ever so much Sheila; I've just copied them into an email to

my solicitor.

I did find a reference myself but it included a graph of the type of

CO-poisoning hearing loss suffered by workers in a noisy fume-filled

factory. The graph didn't match my particular frequency loss but

then I wasn't exposed to high levels of machine noise, so it wasn't

a fair comparison. Those references you've found are very

encouraging!

At the time I found many indications that I might benefit from

hyperbaric oxygen therapy. The fire brigade expert, alas, was not in

a position to argue with the NHS on my behalf so it never happened.

Tracey

>

> The thing to do here Tracey is to collect as many references as

you can and

> put them altogether to send to your solicitor. The doctors in

question,

> together with the audiologist and endocrinologists should be asked

to send

> you citations to research showing that hearing loss has nothing

whatsoever

> to do with hypothyroidism or carbon monoxide poisoning. They

CANNOT ignore

> all the research and science showing this. Here are some links to

get you

> going..

[Guest guest]

Just

let us know if they do the trick Tracey - there's more than one way to skin a

cat.

Luv -

Sheila

Thanks ever so much Sheila; I've just copied them into

an email to

my solicitor.

I did find a reference myself but it included a graph of the type of

CO-poisoning hearing loss suffered by workers in a noisy fume-filled

factory. The graph didn't match my particular frequency loss but

then I wasn't exposed to high levels of machine noise, so it wasn't

a fair comparison. Those references you've found are very

encouraging!

At the time I found many indications that I might benefit from

hyperbaric oxygen therapy. The fire brigade expert, alas, was not in

a position to argue with the NHS on my behalf so it never happened.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey,

Woohooo!

Even more specifically, carbon monoxide interferes with the circadian

clock, locally (periferally) and centrally.

It does this via its role in controlling the production of heme.

Now we have the link to malfunction in the thyroid in that the

thyroid relies upon heme-based systems (thyroid peroxidase for

instance).

The circadian release of thyroid hormones (...Ross et al 2008) is

coordinated with the over night cortisol cycle.

best wishes

Bob

> >

> > Hi Tracey

> >

> > Carbon Monoxide is released during the break up of haemoglobin

and

> > the CO acts as a signalling molecule...will look.

> >

> > Meniere's disease can be associated with too much caffeine.

> >

> > Caffeine is like amphetamine, it sends you into 'over-drive'.

>

[Guest guest]

I blew my nose I keeled over (like a drunk):- Labyrinthitis apparently, so was taken home again !

Oh Bob, you have my sympathy - I had labrynthitis about a year ago it really is a horrible feeling!!

Moley

[Guest guest]

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ymgme.2007.11.018

The in-depth evaluation of suspected mitochondrial disease

note at the foot of the Figures & Tables

b Sensorineural hearing loss (most commonly localized to the central brainstem or peripheral cochlear in pediatric and adult patients, respectively) can be seen in virtually any mitochondrial disease, although it is rarely the presenting complaint

This is why they 'haven't hacked it' yet.

They don't understand the influence of mitochondrial disease(s)......

periferal cochlear is where it turns up in adults ~ and especially those who have been carbon monoxide poisoned, since the effect on the mitochondrial heme units will be devastating and possibly permanent.

poisoned to the extent that the mitochondria undergo 'membrane potential' loss when the cytochrome c is damaged (by the CO) .....that triggers apoptosis in the cell.

the cells die off, and if they're nerve cells that may be permanent, unless primordial stem cells can be persuaded to renew them (hair/nerve cells).

best wishes

Bob

>> That figures Bob! Poor mum's meniere's first struck when she was > living on coffee to stay awake through the day. Of course once her > thyroid was adequately treated, the coffee guzzling wasn't necessary > any more.> > Tracey>

[Guest guest]

mine made me

laugh- he grabs my hands and says jump up and down together, I want to see if

we rattle yet! A sense of humour keeps you sane

Subject: RE:

Re: hearing aids and myxoedema - ear wax

I do - all the time

Hi Sheila,

Do the same as I do and say ‘have you taken your meds’- just like

you would to ask if a child has done it’s

homework!!

[Guest guest]

Snap! Thats exactly what mine says to me when I take all my new

supplements....he says he'll be able to hear me coming because I will

rattle. A sense of humour DOES keep you sane...if you didn't laugh

you'd cry!!

Gillian

>

> mine made me laugh- he grabs my hands and says jump up and down

> together, I want to see if we rattle yet! A sense of humour keeps you

> sane

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey

Thyroid Stem Cellsneed TSH to differentiate them http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/92/9/3681

and if you can get the hair cells in the ear to re-grow, it may improve age-related hearing loss.....

>> That figures Bob! Poor mum's meniere's first struck when she was > living on coffee to stay awake through the day. Of course once her > thyroid was adequately treated, the coffee guzzling wasn't necessary > any more.> > Tracey

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey,

You only have to prove 'on a balance of probabilities' in a civil case, not

beyond reasonable doubt...

Bob

[[..> I believe that had my thyroid problem been treated way back in

> 1999, my body would not have f*cked up so easily, nor suffered

> nerve damage, with 10 years of CO poisoning and I would not have

> lost my hearing. Can't be proved. (

>

> Tracey

>

>

>

> Quote from that link " Hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid) is commonly

> linked with hearing loss. About half of people with low thyroid

> function have hearing losses. Moreover, about 3% of people with

> Meniere's syndrome have hypothyroidism; and in some, control of the