Re: hearing aids and myxoedema - ear wax

[Guest guest]

You might be more on topic than you thought. Since being on

thyroxine I'm producing more earwax and it is runnier than it had

been when I was untreated and symptomatic. One of the odd things

before my diagnosis was that I had practically stopped producing

earwax!

After an ear infection caused by the hearing aid in my good ear, I

have been careful with earmould hygiene.

There is definitely something not right with my ears at present as I

have had several dizzy spells today and almost fell down an

escalator. This doesn't happen often though does get me a few times

a year.

Tracey

>

> Hi ,

>

> Sounds like you are long overdue a refit! I know this is off topic

but

> it is important to keep the moulds clean too if you get a wax

build up

> as that can make your ear sore if it gets infected. I wash my

moulds in

> warm soapy water and dry them out with a hair dryer! (cool

setting).

> I hope you soon feel better so that you are well enough to get to

the

> audiology dept. Did you know Spec Savers also do ear moulds, but

you

> have to pay for them.

> Best wishes,

> Gillian

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Tell me about it...! I never used to produce earwax either until two

or three years ago. This is quite interesting though as you say you

have had dizzy spells today..I am a bi-lateral hearing aid user,(for

a few years now) as I can't use my left ear or I suffer extreme

vertigo..I actually keel over, in fact it is quite a horrible

feeling. I have had every test known to man and they couldn't find a

reason for it in the physical sense. Makes you wonder if there is a

link to hypothyroidism, doesn't it?

I'm going to have to pursue this now you've mentioned it. Waste of

time asking my Doc, maybe somebody else might have some ideas?

Best wishes,

Gillian

>

> You might be more on topic than you thought. Since being on

> thyroxine I'm producing more earwax and it is runnier than it had

> been when I was untreated and symptomatic. One of the odd things

> before my diagnosis was that I had practically stopped producing

> earwax!

>

> There is definitely something not right with my ears at present as

I

> have had several dizzy spells today and almost fell down an

> escalator. This doesn't happen often though does get me a few times

> a year.

>

> Tracey

>

[Guest guest]

***I am a bi-lateral hearing aid user,(fora few years now) as I can't use my left ear or I suffer extremevertigo..I actually keel over, in fact it is quite a horriblefeeling. I have had every test known to man and they couldn't find areason for it in the physical sense. Makes you wonder if there is alink to hypothyroidism, doesn't it?

Wonder no more, Gillian - recurrent 'idiopathic' ear problems *are* linked to Hypothyroidism....

love,

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey

When I stopped work and tried to return ater a spell off sick

(hypomanic with high cortisol), I returned to the front line and the

minute I blew my nose I keeled over (like a drunk):- Labyrinthitis

apparently, so was taken home again !

I was flabbergasted at the response to a return to work. I did

however try to regain my former speed/competence but again my head

was rather woozy if I tried to over-do it.

I didn't realise quite what was wrong in the first place, but it did

seem to explain things if I assumed that the problem was adrenal.

So, a thyroid problem and adrenal problem combined....and I suspect

that it was a slightly hyperthyroid condition that led on to the

adrenal problem....permanent over-drive becomes quite hazardous, in

fact.

....as for ear wax, did you try some omega-3 fatty acids, maybe

coconut oil too?

best wishes

Bob

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Sounds like you are long overdue a refit! I know this is off

topic

> but

> > it is important to keep the moulds clean too if you get a wax

> build up

> > as that can make your ear sore if it gets infected. I wash my

> moulds in

> > warm soapy water and dry them out with a hair dryer! (cool

> setting).

> > I hope you soon feel better so that you are well enough to get to

> the

> > audiology dept. Did you know Spec Savers also do ear moulds, but

> you

> > have to pay for them.

> > Best wishes,

> > Gillian

>

[Guest guest]

Why am I not surprised ?...Its got a lot to answer for this

little thyroid hasn't it....I don't know what 'idiopathic' means but

from the sound of it, it just about sums it up! I will have to do some

research on this. Thanks, Gillian

> Wonder no more, Gillian - recurrent 'idiopathic' ear problems

*are*

> linked to Hypothyroidism.... [:-s] love,

>

[Guest guest]

Hi /Bob,

Reading this makes me wonder if I actually was hyperthyroid all along

in the first place but was never diagnosed.It seems my GP's

incompetence goes back a long way and I am now paying the price for

damage that has already been done years before.

How would my GP know my Adrenals are damaged, (if they are) and what

will it take for him to suspect, before I actually do keel over with

a heart attack.

By the way, I would NEVER put anything in my ears other than

pharmaceutial olive oil. Coconut oil is great in the bath though!

Gillian

> I didn't realise quite what was wrong in the first place, but it

did

> seem to explain things if I assumed that the problem was adrenal.

>

> So, a thyroid problem and adrenal problem combined....and I suspect

> that it was a slightly hyperthyroid condition that led on to the

> adrenal problem....permanent over-drive becomes quite hazardous, in

> fact.

>

> ...as for ear wax, did you try some omega-3 fatty acids, maybe

> coconut oil too?

>

>

> best wishes

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gillian,

Idiopathic is a fancy word for 'cause unknown' .... and it sounds sooo much better for a doctor to spout 'idiopathic' than to say 'I haven't got a clue...' don't you think ?

Love,

[Guest guest]

Hi Gillian,

I've noticed that my ear wax does change consistency according to my

state of health and supplementation used.

Getting the fatty acid de-saturase enzyme to work well is part of the

battle. Those long chain saturated fatty acids in the diet can be made

more fluid (less likely to turn to hard waxy material) if that enzyme

converts a proportion of the saturated fatty acid to its unsaturated

equivalent.

That's what should happen when your body thinks it's time to

hibernate, as happens during hypothyroidism.

When your body gets used to cold temperatures, as with cold water

fish, the fatty acids have to be unsaturated to remain fluid under

those cold conditions....just a fact of life....ask reindeer how they

keep blood flowing in their legs ?

In theory, your insulin level would rise, as would your serum

magnesium level, during cold weather/winter.

That's the reason that high insulin doesn't become fatal ( the

elevated magnesium ! ).

As a treatment for diabetes one wonders that increasing magnesium

intake and utilisation hasn't been tried as a first line fix for

insulin resistance..... (you read it here first) .....

They do use insulin zinc for treating type I diabetes?

best wishes

Bob

A GP wouldn't really know if the adrenals were damaged unless s/he

listened carefully to his/her patient.

>

>

> Hi /Bob,

>

> Reading this makes me wonder if I actually was hyperthyroid all along

> in the first place but was never diagnosed.It seems my GP's

> incompetence goes back a long way and I am now paying the price for

> damage that has already been done years before.

> How would my GP know my Adrenals are damaged, (if they are) and what

> will it take for him to suspect, before I actually do keel over with

> a heart attack.

>

> By the way, I would NEVER put anything in my ears other than

> pharmaceutial olive oil. Coconut oil is great in the bath though!

>

> Gillian

[Guest guest]

This is all very complex stuff Bob. So to recap on what you were

saying..

I've always got cold hands (and feet for that matter) so my blood

circulation is obviously not reaching my extremities..does that mean

I've got saturated fatty acids?

I actually saw a vascular surgeon last year because I kept getting

cramp pains in my legs, I thought it might have been a thrombosis but

he said that my problem was circulatory. My GP said I needed to lose

weight and do more exercise to keep the blood moving. I have to admit

that there was some truth in that as I will always get cramp pain on

a long flight or car journey when I am cooped up in one position for

too long. (I am quite tall and there's no leg room on most aircraft!)

I could be deficient in Magnesium..thats possible. I am now taking

supplements of this.

By the way my husband is diabetic (type 2) maybe he should be taking

some too.

Thanks for the info, you've given me something else to think about.

Best wishes

Gillian

As for the listening GP....I think you are lucky if they even look at

you!

>

> Hi Gillian,

>

> When your body gets used to cold temperatures, as with cold water

> fish, the fatty acids have to be unsaturated to remain fluid under

> those cold conditions....just a fact of life....ask reindeer how

they

> keep blood flowing in their legs ?

>

> In theory, your insulin level would rise, as would your serum

> magnesium level, during cold weather/winter.

>

> That's the reason that high insulin doesn't become fatal ( the

> elevated magnesium ! ).

>

> As a treatment for diabetes one wonders that increasing magnesium

> intake and utilisation hasn't been tried as a first line fix for

> insulin resistance..... (you read it here first) .....

>

> They do use insulin zinc for treating type I diabetes?

>

> best wishes

> Bob

>

> A GP wouldn't really know if the adrenals were damaged unless s/he

> listened carefully to his/her patient.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Gillian

wondered

whether you might be interested in the following as these show that it is possible

your lack of a diagnosis of hypothyroidism could have been a factor in the

cause of your deafness: The possible loss of hearing through not getting a

diagnosis because blood test results are within the normal reference range is

of great concern.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10805704

http://governmentdocs.org/docs/upl204/foi256/doc1776/pdfs/pdf000107.pdf

http://www.ehealthmd.com/library/hearingloss/HL_conditions.html

As

for doctors checking for adrenal insufficiency, the NHS will NOT recognise this

other than extremes of low cortisol and high cortisol. However, doctors

should be taught to look for the possibility. According to Shames and many

doctors, what is needed is a simple, reliable test

to assess a person's adrenal function because there are none that are widely

used. One reason for this is that doctors consider that the adrenal system is

always functioning smoothly, except in two very severe and rare circumstances -

's Disease and Cushing's Syndrome. When it is clear to a doc that you don't

have either Cushing's or 's, that is the end of the matter and the

adrenals get forgotten.

It also appears that adrenal tests are just as challenging to interpret as

TFT's. The biochemistry is complex, and, until recently, the testing technology

had only been useful for diagnosing Cushing's and 's. Now they are more

sophisticated. The conventional medical evaluation for adrenal function

includes measurements of ACTH (adrenocorticotropic hormone) from the pituitary,

as well as cortisol (hydrocortisone) from the adrenal glands themselves. Both these

are simple blood tests. Also, doctors will sometimes obtain a 24-hour urine

sample for cortisol and related cortex hormones, but this doesn't give a true

picture. Patients collect urine in the same large container every time they

empty their bladder for an entire 24-hour period. One drawback with this

measurement is that it does not show the variations within the 24-hour period,

because the whole day's urine is mixed together in one bottle. The level of

adrenal hormone, as we know, should be high in the morning, progressively

diminishing through the afternoon, reaching its lowest levels in the evening.

In the case of the 24-hour urine sample, the doctor can determine if the total

amount of hormone is high or low for the whole day, but will not know at what

time of day major variations occurred. And this is important as a normal level

for 24 hours might mask very high levels at one point in the day, with very low

levels at another part of the day. The total for 24 hours would be normal, but

the patient may go through half the day with excessively high levels, and the

other half excessively low. Complicating this test is the fact that the blood

cortisol level is dependent on the protein molecule that carries it around in

the bloodstream. The amount of this molecule can change for a variety of

reasons, which changes the level that is measured.

Complicating

this test is the fact that the blood cortisol level is dependent on the protein

molecule that carries it around in the bloodstream. The amount of this molecule

can change for a variety of reasons, which changes the level that is measured. Liver

trouble can lower the amount of this carrier protein, which will alter your

test result. Abnormal oestrogen levels will also alter the amount of this

protein. In addition to all this, one's level of activity can change the result

of the test but doctors do not take account of any of this.

Your

stress level has a significant impact too. You may have rushed to get to the

lab or come from a stressful meeting at work. That would yield a different

level than a patient who was calmly sitting in the waiting room for half an

hour before the test. In addition, the conventional tests have a normal reference

range that is very wide, so that only the most severe, out-of-range

abnormalities qualify as being diagnostic of abnormal adrenal function (sound

familiar?). For these reasons, many doctors do not order adrenal tests at all.

If they do, they generally focus not on cortisol, but on evaluating adrenaline

levels. You should tell your doctor that you would like the cortisol testing,

and that you want both a " free " and a " total " cortisol

level in the same way as you need a total and free T4 and T3 test. If doctors

told their patient to collect their urine at 8.00a.m. - 12.00noon, - 4.00p.m.

and again at midnight, this might show a better picture.

Many

private laboratories use the 24 hour saliva cortisol and adrenal profile, which

is again collected at four specific times of day (8.00am,.- 12.00noon, 4.00p.m.,

and midnight. Both cortisol and DHEA levels are measured. The saliva profile is

good because of its ease of collection, but its degree of reliability remains

to be fully evaluated and this is one of the reasons NHS doctors will not (as

yet) recognise it and will even reject it if you take your 24 hour salivary

profile to show them.

And

having said all that, it still tells patient's on the Information leaflet in

their packets of levothyroxine to tell their doctor if they have an adrenal

problem first before starting to take the tablets - so somebody somewhere just

isn't listening and we need to ask why.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamesadrenal.htm

http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40024894/

Luv -

Sheila

Reading this makes me wonder if I actually was hyperthyroid all along

in the first place but was never diagnosed.It seems my GP's

incompetence goes back a long way and I am now paying the price for

damage that has already been done years before.

How would my GP know my Adrenals are damaged, (if they are) and what

will it take for him to suspect, before I actually do keel over with

a heart attack.

By the way, I would NEVER put anything in my ears other than

pharmaceutial olive oil. Coconut oil is great in the bath though!

Gillian

> I didn't realise quite what was wrong in the first place, but it

did

> seem to explain things if I assumed that the problem was adrenal.

>

> So, a thyroid problem and adrenal problem combined....and I suspect

> that it was a slightly hyperthyroid condition that led on to the

> adrenal problem....permanent over-drive becomes quite hazardous, in

> fact.

>

> ...as for ear wax, did you try some omega-3 fatty acids, maybe

> coconut oil too?

>

>

> best wishes

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

I have noticed is starting to

become a bit deaf - though he denies this and gets annoyed when I complain that

he isn't listening to what I said. He complains of tinnitus recently too. Does

anybody know how best to treat this?

luv -

Sheila

I've noticed that my ear wax does change consistency according to my

state of health and supplementation used.

Getting the fatty acid de-saturase enzyme to work well is part of the

battle. Those long chain saturated fatty acids in the diet can be made

more fluid (less likely to turn to hard waxy material) if that enzyme

converts a proportion of the saturated fatty acid to its unsaturated

equivalent.

,_._,___

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

I noticed that my tinnitus eases off if I'm less stressed.

I used to attribute it to having high adrenalin and/or high cortisol.

My DW is going quite deaf on just L-T4 and hydrocortisone, though I

don't know if that's a heritable version of deafness ( like her

granny ) or it's exposure to gentamycin (treatment for ear infection

some few years back ).

Apparently, the gentamycin latches onto the DNA (response element)

and won't let go ~ can't recall the mechanism that is interrupted ~

may be worth following that up again later.

She also has a 'leaky ear' now and possibly from candida infection.

I don't know if the 'leak' is CSF or not.

It might be worth reviewing the supplements that is taking to

see if any of them can damage the 'hair cells' in the ear. Potassium

channels may be part of the problem in loosing 'hair

cells'...eventually, they loose energy generation capacity and

the 'hair cells' die off (by apoptosis).

During apoptosis, the mitochondria loose cytochrome c from the redox

chain and that is the trigger for the 'proper' route into cell die

off via apoptosis (rather than by necrosis ~ and inflammation).

Apoptosis is an orderly process, necrosis isn't.

Are niacin or CoQ10 involved, and/or are they too high? and is his BP

adequately controlled?

The adrenoceptors (adrenalin sensitive) may be involved in both

processes.

best wishes

Bob

>

> I have noticed is starting to become a bit deaf - though he

denies

> this and gets annoyed when I complain that he isn't listening to

what I

> said. He complains of tinnitus recently too. Does anybody know how

best to

> treat this?

>

>

>

> luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> I've noticed that my ear wax does change consistency according to my

> state of health and supplementation used.

>

> Getting the fatty acid de-saturase enzyme to work well is part of

the

> battle. Those long chain saturated fatty acids in the diet can be

made

> more fluid (less likely to turn to hard waxy material) if that

enzyme

> converts a proportion of the saturated fatty acid to its unsaturated

> equivalent.

>

>

>

>

> ,_._,___

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Thank you so much for all this..Yes I am VERY interested and I am

going to print it all off so I can read it a few more times and

digest it.

I have always wondered if there was another reason for my deafness.

It was all too easy for the professors up in the ENT hospital in

London to blame my mother for her difficult birth. I should add that

I also had a bad case of measles when I was a year old and my mother

told me I was very ill with it so that could also be something else

that was wrongly overlooked.

Looking at the first article you listed, after reading through that I

would add that there is nothing wrong with my mental state, and I

have never had any mental health issues.

On the subject of the Adrenals.. Yes, I am going to have to pluck up

courage and go in and ask the Doc (very nicely) for these tests you

mentioned...he can only say No can't he?

First, I am going to get my blood tests done on Friday (including

thyroid antibodies) and once I get the results I am going to arm

myself with all these facts you've given me and take it from there.

Wouldn't you just like to be my Doc on that occasion!!

Thanks again,

Gillian

--- In thyroid treatment , " Sheila " <sheila@...>

>

> Hi Gillian

> wondered whether you might be interested in the following as these

show that

> it is possible your lack of a diagnosis of hypothyroidism could

have been a

> factor in the cause of your deafness: >

>

> Your stress level has a significant impact too. > If doctors told

their patient to collect their urine at 8.00a.m. -

> 12.00noon, - 4.00p.m. and again at midnight, this might show a

better

> picture.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

[Guest guest]

That's quite normal Sheila...if he is anything like my Dad who has

the televison so loud that all the neighburs can hear it!

My Mum says the same thing, although he can hear what he wants to

hear! I think its called selective deafness!

My Dad is eighty and we persuaded him to have his hearing tested a

couple of years ago and YES he was going deaf...they said he had 'old

age' degenerative deafness. He has a hearing aid for TV and social

situations but he NEVER wears it. Says he doesn't need it.

Maybe should ask for a hearing test...it is very

straightforward and painless. The tinnitus is not pleasant and that

should be looked into by an ENT consultant.

Gillian

>

> I have noticed is starting to become a bit deaf - though he

denies

> this and gets annoyed when I complain that he isn't listening to

what I

> said. He complains of tinnitus recently too. Does anybody know how

best to

> treat this?

>

>

>

> luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> I've noticed that my ear wax does change consistency according to my

> state of health and supplementation used.

>

> Getting the fatty acid de-saturase enzyme to work well is part of

the

> battle. Those long chain saturated fatty acids in the diet can be

made

> more fluid (less likely to turn to hard waxy material) if that

enzyme

> converts a proportion of the saturated fatty acid to its unsaturated

> equivalent.

>

>

>

>

> ,_._,___

>

[Guest guest]

I

will make an appointment for him - 'cos I know he will not do this himself as

he would deny he has a problem. He takes B12 for his tinnitus which started out

good, but now doesn't seem to work anymore.

luv -

Sheila

Maybe should ask for a hearing test...it is very

straightforward and painless. The tinnitus is not pleasant and that

should be looked into by an ENT consultant.

Gillian

>

> I have noticed is starting to become a bit deaf - though he

denies

> this and gets annoyed when I complain that he isn't listening to

what I

> said. He complains of tinnitus recently too. Does anybody know how

best to

> treat this?

>

>

>

> luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> I've noticed that my ear wax does change consistency according to my

> state of health and supplementation used.

>

> Getting the fatty acid de-saturase enzyme to work well is part of

the

> battle. Those long chain saturated fatty acids in the diet can be

made

> more fluid (less likely to turn to hard waxy material) if that

enzyme

> converts a proportion of the saturated fatty acid to its unsaturated

> equivalent.

>

>

>

>

> ,_._,___

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

probably needs extra folic acid (more than the bog standard

400micrograms/day) to go with the vit B12.

Without enough folic acid, the vit B12 doesn't get absorbed.

best wishes

Bob

>

> I will make an appointment for him - 'cos I know he will not do

this himself

> as he would deny he has a problem. He takes B12 for his tinnitus

which

> started out good, but now doesn't seem to work anymore.

>

> luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Marmite, love it or hate it has both.

Chris

> >

> > I will make an appointment for him - 'cos I know he will not do

> this himself

> > as he would deny he has a problem. He takes B12 for his tinnitus

> which

> > started out good, but now doesn't seem to work anymore.

> >

> > luv - Sheila

>

[Guest guest]

Good

thionking Bob. Can I just buy Folic Acid at the Health Food Store - and what

dose would he need?

luv -

Sheila

probably needs extra folic acid (more than the bog standard

400micrograms/day) to go with the vit B12.

Without enough folic acid, the vit B12 doesn't get absorbed.

[Guest guest]

Sheila

My husband has been going deaf since the day we got married.... it

usually coincides with rugby being on telly Altough I've noticed

I can cure it by waving a bar of chocolate under his nose....

I tell him he's going deaf, he tells me I'm " wittering " !! LOL

On a more serious note, there is apparently a connection between

tinnitus and zinc. I knew i'd read something about this before and

when I googled " tinnitus zinc " I found the following;

http://www.tinnitusformula.com/infocenter/articles/treatments/zinc.aspx

Marie xx

>

> I have noticed is starting to become a bit deaf - though he

denies this and gets annoyed when I complain that he isn't listening

to what I said.

[Guest guest]

He

LERVS Marmite. Thanks Chris.

Luv -

Sheila

Marmite, love it or hate it has both.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

Holland & Barrett do 800micrograms folic acid for about £7.

I get mine prescribed at 5mg and it's very cheap too, so doesn't make

waves with GPs

2x or 3x 800mcg = 1.6 - 2.4mg

best wishes

Bob

>

> Good thionking Bob. Can I just buy Folic Acid at the Health Food

Store - and

> what dose would he need?

>

> luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Quote from that link " Hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid) is commonly

linked with hearing loss. About half of people with low thyroid

function have hearing losses. Moreover, about 3% of people with

Meniere's syndrome have hypothyroidism; and in some, control of the

thyroid disease eliminates the symptoms of Meniere's syndrome. "

It is IMPOSSIBLE to get that taken seriously by the medical

profession. In the last few years, 6 doctors, 2 audiologists and 1

endocrinologist have all stated categorically that hearing loss is not

associated with either thyroid problems or carbon monoxide poisoning.

My solicitor has been the only one who has anecdotal evidence from his

other Carbon Monoxide poisoned clients that CO poisoning may lead to

deafness. Unfortunately he needs expert medical confirmation for it to

stand up. I'm losing my case because no one can agree what caused all

my problems as it can only be one thing or another and not a

combination of factors - which my case clearly is.

On the positive side I finally got a diagnosis of hypothyroidism

BECAUSE of the input from my carbon monoxide toxicologists. A set of

tests they did before a trial of throxine indicated I was in the early

stages of dementia, while the repeat tests done after the trial

indicated my brain function had mostly recovered and I was back to

functioning at intellectual level again! My numeracy skills have died

and I can no longer handle mental arithmetic - aparently this ought to

come back.

My hypothyroid mum has meniere's disease and, yes, it did improve

considerably once her thyroid problem was treated! I'm the only

deafened person in my entire hypothyroid immediate and extended family

though. I believe that had my thyroid problem been treated way back in

1999, my body would not have f*cked up so easily, nor suffered nerve

damage, with 10 years of CO poisoning and I would not have lost my

hearing. Can't be proved. (

Tracey

>

> http://www.ehealthmd.com/library/hearingloss/HL_conditions.html

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

I just looked on iherb & you can search on tinnitus. I did this as I know I once bought something or other for my husband who had it. I can't say if it helped because he would never get around to taking any supplements.

Val

Maybe should ask for a hearing test...it is very straightforward and painless. The tinnitus is not pleasant and that should be looked into by an ENT consultant.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey

Carbon Monoxide is released during the break up of haemoglobin and

the CO acts as a signalling molecule...will look.

Meniere's disease can be associated with too much caffeine.

Caffeine is like amphetamine, it sends you into 'over-drive'.

Clearly, it puts oxidative pressure on your hearing apparatus

(nerves).

I'll see what I can drag up from some of these recent articles that

Sheila has referenced.

I'm using folic acid at the moment for my returning intellectual

function as well for the short-term memory loss, which was what put

me onto the testing and treatment of short-term memory loss in the

first place; followed by discovery that the folic acid treated me for

loss of intellectual function.

So, dementia was an alternative but unspoken diagnosis on original

presentation for folate testing ( 'in range' ~ the usual c...p ).

I know I had very mild hearing loss some few years ago, but in

retrospect, I seem to have been holding my own in the hearing

department, the last few months.

Folate and vit B12 supplementation is so important for maintaining

both short-term memory (and intellectual function) that it would be

worth looking at that as an additional resource for getting back more

overall function, not just hearing/memory/intellectual function.

The methylating cycle is also critical in maintaining cardiac/

homocysteine / LDL levels.

Working hard to get 'integrative medicine' online, here as per

Holford.

best wishes

Bob

>

> Quote from that link " Hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid) is

commonly

> linked with hearing loss. About half of people with low thyroid

> function have hearing losses. Moreover, about 3% of people with

> Meniere's syndrome have hypothyroidism; and in some, control of the

> thyroid disease eliminates the symptoms of Meniere's syndrome. "

>

> It is IMPOSSIBLE to get that taken seriously by the medical

> profession.

[Guest guest]

HI

Marie

has just read this article and has decided to add some zinc to his B12 which he

has just told me he has not been taking for some time. What do we do with these

men who pretend everything is absolutely fine and THEY need no supplements.

Luv -

Sheila

On a more serious note, there is apparently a connection between

tinnitus and zinc. I knew i'd read something about this before and

when I googled " tinnitus zinc " I found the following;

http://www.tinnitusformula.com/infocenter/articles/treatments/zinc.aspx