Re: Homeopathy and Thyroid problems

[Guest guest]

I tried homeopathy for a while - I had a referral to the homeopathic hospital on

the NHS - but it didn't help. It didn't seem to do anything. That was before my

low thyroid was officially diagnosed.

Jane

[Guest guest]

HI, ask as many questions as you wish, and also there is a great search facility

which allows you to check past conversations on things - just sink yourself into

the forum and enjoy.

I personally LOVE homeopathy, but it didnt make any difference to my thyroid -

(but I had RAI 131 so perhaps it could have helped if I had not had that done)

it has eased uric acid pain.

I have a rule of thumb, if no improvements after 3 months - move on.

Have you had your B12 levels checked, I think that affects energy.

and iron of course. Once when under a Naturopath he did a liver flush, and with

that flush went all my thyroid hormone which is converted in the liver and I had

to rebuild. So I would caution if anyone wants to do liver flushes.

But YES I LOVE homeopathy.............

jennyfreeman

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> Sorry to be a pain this is about the 4th message I have posted in a week, but

it is good to get others feedback.

> I have tried many alternative therapies over the years to try and increase my

energy levels.

> I have been seeing a homeopth for 8 months now and wondered if any one had

found this helpful.

> I am in a quandry whether to continue or to stop and just go with the multi b

vits, vit c and diet.

>

> Any comments are appreciated

>

> x

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[Guest guest]

> I have been seeing a homeopth for 8 months now and wondered if any one had

found this helpful.

> I am in a quandry whether to continue or to stop and just go with the multi b

vits, vit c and diet.

Hi

I work as a homeopath, and I'm on Armour. Homeopathy can work in some cases

where the thyroid deterioration isn't too bad, but if it's gone on for too long,

then the thyroid becomes scarred and nothing will revive it.

I'm very passionate about homeopathy, it can sometimes work amazingly, and I

love my job, but I also have to acknowledge that my own thyroid problem had gone

too far for homeopathy to help (dammit!!).

Yes, I'm on Armour, but I use homeopathic remedies all the time, and I've sailed

through the winter without even a sniffle of a cold, so do continue with your

homeopathic treatment as it will certainly raise your level of health.

As an aside, I'm getting so many people who have obvious signs and symptoms of

thyroid problems coming to see me because they are so ill, and ALL of them have

'normal' thyroid blood tests. I had one woman rocking backwards and forwards,

sobbing in pain. When I explain that they might have a thyroid problem, they

don't believe me because the tests are 'normal', and 'doctor knows best!'. I

direct them to this site, but often, going against the GP is unthinkable. There

is nowhere else I can direct them. I can't help them with homeopathy by this

stage, and a couple of weeks ago, seriously thought about chucking in my job.

Its so frustrating. Sorry, moan over.....

Love

Jan

[Guest guest]

***I work as a homeopath, and I'm on Armour. Homeopathy can work in some caseswhere the thyroid deterioration isn't too bad, but if it's gone on for too long,then the thyroid becomes scarred and nothing will revive it.

I would like to second everything you've said, Jan - and just add a few thoughts.

In my view Homeopathy is an excellent help for many functions of the body, but it can only help hypothyroid people up to a point. In the case of autoimmune thyroiditis (Hashimoto's) - which accounts for the vast majority of cases (I think as much as 90%) - the thyroid gland gets attacked and slowly destroyed by autoantibodies from the body's own immune system. But for whatever reason, once the thyroid gland is destroyed to such a degree that it can no longer produce enough thyroid hormones (T4 & T3), no amount of homeopathy, glandulars, vitamins or other natural remedies will suffice (although many of them are still of great help). Those missing hormones need to get replaced from the outside, or the body will get very sick. Thyroid hormones are not a 'drug' like antibiotics for instance, which can be given to heal an infection and then withdrawn .... they are vital for the functioning of our bodies and need to be available every day for the rest of our lives.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all of the comments, it doesn't take much to confuse me but yet

again, suprise suprise I am.

I always do prefer to go the alternative route, however since seeing the

homeopath my anxiety, and PMT fluctuates, and at xmas I had a really bad lower

chest infection and had to take antibiotics and also Iam currently having to

take penecilin due to having tonsilitis.Which is and has been awful.

I haven't had to take antibiotics for years but being so poorly I could see no

alternative.

The homeopath did say the longer you had suffered the longer it could take to

control. I gather from what comments I have received back perhaps 8 months of

trying I should have seen some more positive results.

The hormone you are speaking off, is this something that only a GP or endo can

prescribe?

x

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila

I agree that I need to go private,as I have exhausted all other areas. Although

I have an appointment with an endo in April, I dont think he is going to be one

who is going to look at the whole picture, as I had to see him whilst I was

pregnant.

Can you recommend anyone in the West Midlands area.

kindest regards

[Guest guest]

***The hormone you are speaking off, is this something that only a GP or endo canprescribe?

Hello ,

Yes, thyroid hormone is usually prescribed by your GP or endo.... but I am a little confused now - I have been assuming that you have been diagnosed hypothyroid, either by your doctor or privately... is this not the case? Have you ever had any blood tests to look at your thyroid function? - If not, it might be an idea to ask your GP about it. You've been 'run down' for many months now, and it is reasonably to expect that you should have picked up by now .... but if your thyroid is low, that might be the reason why you haven't. Perhaps your GP could order a thyroid test (TSH, FT4 and FT3), and please ask him/her to include thyroid autoantibody test as well as checking Ferritin and Vit. B12, and if possible also Magnesium, Vit. D, Copper and Zinc, but you'd be lucky to get those, as the labs in their wisdom simply won't do them (even when asked). But at least try to get the parameters that I have outlined in bold, that would help a great deal to see what is going on with you. -

Also - have you done the adrenal and Candida tests ? You will find the Adrenal Questionnaire as well as the Candida Spit test in our files.... please check yourself for both, as either of those conditions might also have an impact on your thyroid function and well-being in general.

Best wishes,

[Guest guest]

Hello

I don't want to come across as abrupt, but homeopathy is a nonsense. There is

zero scientific evidence to show it provides any benefits and it can even be

harmful if it dissuades people from obtaining proper medical attention. The best

it could provide is a positive placebo effect.

A friend of mine left her homeopathic pills at mine recently. If you read the

label, they're nothing more than sugar pills.

You would be better off spending your money on massages or new clothes if you

want to feel better!

Thanks, Jane

[Guest guest]

Hello there

Yes,I was put on thyroxine years ago. I have recently had these tests carried

out and all are within the normal 'range', I posted them on here the other day.

My hospital refused to do a copper, mag test even though the doc requested it I

need an endo to do that.I currently take 125 mg of thyroxine, but still suffer

lots symptoms still.

I have been referred to the endo, and do have an appointment with Dr P in June.

However, I just wanted to see if I could get the ball rolling, I am waiting for

his office to send through the spit test info, and I have started taking my temp

and pulse am and pm. I do believe that have adrenal fatigue.

I have tried many alternative therapies and none have helped hence the question

about homeopathy.

Im just really fed up of feeling ill, and think June is a long way of to hold

out for.

x

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[Guest guest]

> The homeopath did say the longer you had suffered the longer it could take to

control. I gather from what comments I have received back perhaps 8 months of

trying I should have seen some more positive results.

Hi

Homeopathy strengthens the body, which produces stronger symptoms. Often, what

the body is trying to do is to throw out the muck that's been accumulating over

years. That's often why you get the illness coming back because its the body's

attempt to burn off or eliminate the problem.

Unfortunately anti-biotics suppress the body's efforts, but are definitely

needed if the symptoms become serious. The problem is that, then, homeopathic

treatment can take longer.

It sounds to me as if the homeopathy is working, but it will take a bit longer

yet. But, in my experience, the improvements are pretty much permanent once

you've got there.

And I agree with the other comments, thyroid hormones are needed if the body

doesn't produce its own. It's similar to being diabetic and needing insulin.

Not drugs, but a replacement.

Love

Jan

[Guest guest]

I find this quite a harsh statement to be honest, if I don't believe in something it does not make it wrong, just not for me. As with alopathic meds, there is no one size fits all. I have tried many alternative methods myself and whilst I have had little success it does not stop me from looking at others and if it is something that looks right for me then I will go with it - one day it may be the one thing that does me a lot of good and helps me to live a totally normal life, hope is something that we all need and if homeopathy is the thing that brings another hope, nobody has the right to take that hope away.

We are all entitled to an opinion but we are not entitled to totally dismiss something just because we THINK it is rubbish. Personally, I know of a lot of people who have benefited from homeopathy, unfortunately I was not one of them. There has been a lot of speculation about many alternative therapies in the media, some good and some bad, none of them can actually say that none of these therapies work or don't work for any certainty, therefore I shall continue to keep an open mind for all of them even if they are not for me.

You say yourself that it COULD provide a positive placebo, well in that case it is doing its job in my view.

Luv nne

I don't want to come across as abrupt, but homeopathy is a nonsense. The best it could provide is a positive placebo effect.

[Guest guest]

***Yes,I was put on thyroxine years ago. I have recently had these tests carriedout and all are within the normal 'range', I posted them on here the other day.

Hello again ,

Ah, right.... now I'm with you - sorry, I must have missed you posting your results. There are so many mails every day, it's sometimes difficult to keep up ;o)

Well, you are on the right track. It's a very good idea to gather all your lab results, past and current (and including all the ref ranges with it), and to record your pulse and temperature, so you have everything ready for when you see Dr. Peatfield.

If you wanted to do anything more whilst you are waiting for your appointment, you could sort out your Candida and adrenal fatigue status.... since you say you believe your have got AF, are you planning to find out exactly where you stand (which would mean a private saliva test, costing £ 70) ? If so, you could get this done and have the results ready for when you see Dr. P. - It's easy to do with Genova diagnostics - contact them on line (or phone)

http://www.gdx.uk.net/index.php?page=shop.browse & category_id=1 & option=com_virtuemart & Itemid=116 & vmcchk=1 & Itemid=116

and order an "adrenal stress profile" . They will send you the kit and you follow the instructions. They will send the results to you via email if you request it (I have just done that for my husband - they were very helpful). Having the test results already at hand when you go to see Dr. P. will save you a lot of time, as he can then get cracking with the treatment straight away.

Btw - I should mention.... If you get your endo appointment before you see Dr. P., it is probably not a good idea showing the endo the adrenal salavary results or even to mention them... endos don't believe in it - Adrenal Fatigue does not exist, as far as mainstream medicine is concerned. Endos have been told by the BTA and RCP that those tests are 'unscientific' , and even if they privately disagree with that, they would not openly admit to it. Chances are that you will meet a wall of silence ... so don't waste your breath

You can also do the Candida spit test at home.... take a glass of water with you when you go to bed. First thing in the morning (before you drink, eat, brush your teeth or do anything else) spit into the water and wait for a few minutes. If you see tentacles forming downwards beneath the spit, or if the water gets cloudy, or the spit 'tornadoes' downwards, you will have it. If your spit floats calmly on top of the water without any of the above happening, you are clear. If a result is not 'clear cut' repeat the test the following morning.

If your test were positive, then it is up to you whether you want to find out 'how bad' .... that would mean another £70 via Genova salivary test for Candida - same procedure as with the adrenal stress profile. - But costs for private tests do mount up, and if you didn't want to find out exactly how bad, you could just start to treat it anyway.... - all the instructions are in the files. If you had Candida, then to tackle that is the first thing anyway, and it would help a great deal, if diet etc were all well underway by the time you see Dr. P.

At least you'll feel that 'you are doing something positive' this way.... the wait is frustrating, I know

Best of luck,

[Guest guest]

I think that alternative therapists provide another invaluable service. Unlike

GPs, they LISTEN. I, like many others am very isolated by my illness. I have

no family or friends within hours of me and spend my days at home alone because

I cannot work. In olden days, hermits chose to isolate themselves from society;

CFS has forced that upon me.

When I try to discuss my symptoms with my GP he sits behind his desk looking at

his PC, and because my TSH is suppressed, the " depressed " diagnosis has been

made before I've finished my 5 minute consultation.

If you spend time with a homeopath, reflexologist or whatever, they will listen

to what you have to say. Which is not only essential in order for them to help

you, but as the patient, its very cathartic.

Having an illness which no-one understand, which many doctors dont recognise and

havent a clue how to treat is very demoralising. It causes all kinds of mental

and emotional upset, problems which need to be addressed alongside the physical

symptoms. And that in my opinion is where alternative therapists excel.

The homeopath I saw wasnt able to rid me of symptoms, but he WAS a listening

ear, a combination of listener, therapist and confessor ! There have been times

when he was the only person I could talk to.

So please dont criticise people who gain some benefit from these therapies.

Sometimes thats what you need to get you through a particularly rough patch.

[Guest guest]

Oh no nne, I didnt want to do that to you

Thank you so much for what you wrote; your kind words have made a difference to

me.

luv, Marie xx

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> Marie, I was reduced to tears reading this

[Guest guest]

Hi Jane, sorry to disagree, homepopathic drops definately works for me - and it

is definately NOT a placebo. Placebo effect only works for 6 weeks btw.

Just cos some medical fields say it doesnt work, doesnt make their statement

true - Look at the Royal College of Surgeons, BTA opinion of armour and adrenal

exhaustion, salivary testing - Oh I could go on and on.

We are all so different and what works for one, may not work for another and I

am more suprised than most that homeopathics works for me - but it does, in fact

I am so thrilled that we have a Homeopath amongst us.

jennyfreeman

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> Hello

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> I don't want to come across as abrupt, but homeopathy is a nonsense. T

> Thanks, Jane

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My personal opinion is that homeopathy works on the placebo

principle- if the dilution of med is so low that there is not a single

molecule of the original substance left in the dose how could it

possibly do any good? I would suggest that you look in the files and for

all the things that can affect how your thyroid meds are utilised, but

most probably you are on too low a dose or can't use the T4 and need T3

in some form.

Subject: Homeopathy and Thyroid problems

I have tried many alternative therapies over the years to try and

increase my energy levels.

I have been seeing a homeopth for 8 months now and wondered if any one

had found this helpful.

I am in a quandry whether to continue or to stop and just go with the

multi b vits, vit c and diet.

Any comments are appreciated

x

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TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

My husband has a lot of problems with sinus so would be extremely interested in the homepathic spray that you used please.

Luv nne

however I bought some stuff from the pharmacy and didn't actually realise that it was a homeopathic remedy and....it worked!

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret and nne,

I live in Australia, so I'm not sure whether you can get it in the UK, but

perhaps it can be imported. You would need to check with the company.

http://www.brauer.com.au/contact.asp

Here is the contact details for the company. There is an email address on this

webpage, so [erhaps you could contact them and find out whether they have

stockists in the UK.

Here is some info about the product I use.

http://www.brauer.com.au/detailedInfo.asp?getTable=product & getPid=79

On the directions, it says that you need to spray the stuff up into your

nostrils, but I use it under my tongue and I can feel my sinuses 'unblocking'

within about 15-20minutes. I checked with the company and they said it is as

effective to spray into the nostrils as using under the tongue. It is also

available in tablet form, however I never used the tablets.

One bit of advice. I always use the spray when the sinus symptoms first start

or (if I have run out of the stuff) when the symptoms been going for a while but

aren't debilitating. It works a treat for me, but it doesn't seem to help my

daughter much so it depends on the individual I guess. I swear by the stuff!

If you wait until you have full blown sinusitis, it will still help a bit, but

not as well. Guess the same thing goes with the echinacea and Vit C and any

full blown sinus condition anyway - the worse it gets, the harder it is to

treat. Guess that applies to almost anything - if you wait for it to get really

bad, it is harder to fix.

I also forgot to mention that I include garlic, horseradish and fenugreek

tablets in the mix I mentioned above. Of course, you will need to make sure

that all this stuff suits you and check with your health professional to make

sure it is ok for you to use. Anyway, that is my recipe for fixing my sinus

problems. As I mentioned before, I haven't had problems with my sinuses since

starting this regime well over a decade ago.

P

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for this, I will be visiting my children soon who both live in Brisbane so it should be no bother for me to get hold of hopefully Assume that most pharma's stock it?

Luv nne

Hi Margaret and nne,I live in Australia, so I'm not sure whether you can get it in the UK, but perhaps it can be imported. You would need to check with the company.

[Guest guest]

Thanks nne

I will investigate today.

Keep well xxxxxxxxx

Margaret

From: nne Wilkins <alternative4me@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:52:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: Homeopathy and Thyroid problems

Hi Margaret and nne,I live in Australia, so I'm not sure whether you can get it in the UK,

[Guest guest]

Wasn't me Margaret, it was P in Oz.

Luv nne

Thanks nne - I will investigate today. Keep well xxxxxxxxx

[Guest guest]

Hi again nne,

Yes, the sinus relief spray is openly available in most pharmacies. A lot of

'health food shops' over here stock it, as well. After my big rave about it, I

hope that it actually helps you.

I might as well tell you about the other things I use, as well, seeming that you

are coming over here. Of course it goes without saying that you need to check

with your doc to check whether the products mentioned below suit your own

particular health requirements.

Just remember that none of this will be particularly effective if you don't get

to the sinus problem quickly. Nip it in the bud.

The Garlic, Horseradish and Fenugreek tablets that I take are really good and

available in most Coles supermarkets over here in Oz, if you are interested in

trying them. They aren't expensive (el cheapo brand) but they are part of my

'anti sinusitis' regime. The stuff is called 'Nature's Own Triple Strength

Garlic + C, Horseradish, Fenugreek & Marshmallow. You won't smell very good

because they have quite a strong smell, and if you take too many they will bind

you up somewhat, but I find them really effective.

http://www.naturesown.com.au/#/products/1801/

While I'm at it, here is the name of the excellent Echinacea liquid that I use.

This stuff is pretty expensive, but I think the Pound is really strong against

the Australian dollar, so perhaps it won't be so expensive for you. It is

called 'Herbs of Gold - Echinacea 2000+'. I get the 200ml bottle for $54.50

AUSD on special. When it isn't discounted, it costs about $65.00 AUSD. It is a

very good quality product and unlike many other echinacea products on the

market, this one actually seems to work. The company has various strengths of

echinacea, however I think this particular one works the best. Here is a link

to the product information

http://www.herbsofgold.com.au/hogv2/index.cfm?act=viewprod & id=32 & cat=9

http://www.herbsofgold.com.au/hogv2/

This will show you which stores stock the echinacea. Click on the link for

Queensland.

I find that using those three things together + adding extra Vit C works a treat

for me.

P

> Thank you so much for this, I will be visiting my children soon who both live

in Brisbane so it should be no bother for me to get hold of hopefully  Assume

that most pharma's stock it?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I remember the long wait to see Dr. P many years ago-I too

never got well on thyroxine. it was well worth it- I started to feel

better only a week later! I know not everyone gets results so soon, but

it was brilliant. Have you looked at vits and minerals to get yourself

started such as zinc and selenium, both of which tend to be low in UK

diets. See http://www.ithyrooid.com for lots of interesting info when

you've read the files here.

Subject: Re: Homeopathy and Thyroid problems

Hello there

Yes,I was put on thyroxine years ago. I have recently had these tests

carried out and all are within the normal 'range', I posted them on here

the other day. My hospital refused to do a copper, mag test even though

the doc requested it I need an endo to do that.I currently take 125 mg

of thyroxine, but still suffer lots symptoms still.

Im just really fed up of feeling ill, and think June is a long way of to

hold out for.

x

>

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TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

Hi nne,

You could also try Sudafed

decongestant nasal spray. A lot of folk with ‘stuffy’ noses do have

a cow’s milk allergy. Takes care to eliminate ALL milk

and milk products from a western diet, but after 3 weeks for this it made a big

difference to me.

Subject: Re:

Re: Homeopathy and Thyroid problems

My husband has a lot of problems

with sinus so would be extremely interested in the homepathic spray that you

used please.

Luv nne

however I bought some stuff from the pharmacy and didn't actually realise that

it was a homeopathic remedy and....it worked!

[Guest guest]

Hi and thanks for thinking of my poor man, he has been dairy free for at least 5 years and is also wheat free as this affects him as well. He has had short spells of success with a few things but nothing every really lasts. He does the salt pipe daily using himalayan salt sole, has a nasonex spray and I cook pretty much everything he eats. He is going through a very good period at the moment of having to take his antihistamines every 3 days, this is very good, he once took them daily, stopping dairy helped a great deal with the allergic rhinitis and stopping wheat helped enormously with the sinus - trouble is that they aggravate each other and as yet we have not found anything

that really does cure the problem. Will try the spray that P in Australia recommended whilst we are there and if it works will be bringing as many as I can afford to buy back with us and then our daughter or son will get them for us.

Luv nne

You could also try Sudafed decongestant nasal spray.