Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Is the exact mechanism known why iodine at lower levels, i.e. 12.5, give problems to people with hashi's. Is it understood or is it mainly clinical observations? Why do doctors keep saying people with hashis should only take low doses of iodine? I am having a hard time understanding this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 This is from Dr. Brownstein's book - why lower doses of iodine create issues: THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organification of iodine. As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids—δ-iodolactone. Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’ disease. A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids. Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production. Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO. What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulin—anti-thyroglobulin antibodies. In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes. How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to iodinate lipids. 2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2. 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants. 4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels. 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body. Hashi's and iodine Is the exact mechanism known why iodine at lower levels, i.e. 12.5, give problems to people with hashi's. Is it understood or is it mainly clinical observations? Why do doctors keep saying people with hashis should only take low doses of iodine? I am having a hard time understanding this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Thank you for this!!! What amounts of iodine, magnesium, B2 and B3 are enough? Nanci From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodineiodine Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 12:27 PM This is from Dr. Brownstein's book - why lower doses of iodine create issues: THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine. Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organific ation of iodine. As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids—δ-iodolactone. Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system. If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’ disease. A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids. Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production. Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation. It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO. What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulin— anti-thyroglobul in antibodies. In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes. How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders 1. Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate substrate to iodinate lipids. 2. Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2. 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants. 4. Ensure adequate magnesium levels. 5. Minimize oxidative stress in the body. Hashi's and iodine Is the exact mechanism known why iodine at lower levels, i.e. 12.5, give problems to people with hashi's. Is it understood or is it mainly clinical observations? Why do doctors keep saying people with hashis should only take low doses of iodine? I am having a hard time understanding this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I believe that is individual. I would say that the lowest effective dose is right for you. Start out low and titrate up. don't forget the supporting nutrients. I didn't see Vitamin C in your list. I take 4000mg of C. I take 50mg Iodine (started at 12.5), I take a cal/mag supplement 1000/500mg, extra mag 320mg, and 1 ATP cofactor 3 times a day. > > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> > Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodine > iodine > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 12:27 PM > > >  > > > > > This is from Dr. Brownstein's book - why lower doses of iodine create issues: >  > > > THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY > Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone). δ- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine.   Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organific ation of iodine.  >  As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipids†" δ-iodolactone. > Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system.  If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’ disease. >  > A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids. > Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production. > Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation.  It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. > If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO. > What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness > The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulin†" anti-thyroglobul in antibodies. > In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes. >  > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders > > 1.     Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate     substrate to iodinate lipids. > 2.  Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.  > 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants. > 4.      Ensure adequate magnesium levels. > 5.       Minimize oxidative stress in the body. >  >  > > Hashi's and iodine > >  > > Is the exact mechanism known why iodine at lower levels, i.e. 12.5, give problems to people with hashi's. Is it understood or is it mainly clinical observations? Why do doctors keep saying people with hashis should only take low doses of iodine? I am having a hard time understanding this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Thank you ! I have been reading here for quite some time now and the wealth of information is amazing. I am at a loss to some of what you all talk about....what is ATP cofactor? Is the ATP cofactor what you take 3 times a day or all of the vitamins as well? Thank you for answering all this....I'm sure you have answered these same question over and over! Nanci From: <angelalee0511@...>Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodineiodine Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 3:54 PM I believe that is individual. I would say that the lowest effective dose is right for you. Start out low and titrate up. don't forget the supporting nutrients. I didn't see Vitamin C in your list. I take 4000mg of C.I take 50mg Iodine (started at 12.5), I take a cal/mag supplement 1000/500mg, extra mag 320mg, and 1 ATP cofactor 3 times a day.> > > From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@ ...>> Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodine> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 12:27 PM> > >  > > > > > This is from Dr. Brownstein's book - why lower doses of iodine create issues:>  > > > THE UNDERLYING CAUSE OF AUTOIMMUNE THYROID ILLNESSES: IODINE DEFICIENCY AND ANTIOXIDANT DEFICIENCY> Chapter 7 described the apoptotic (i.e., anticancer) effects of the iodinated form of lactone (δ- Iodolactone) . δ- Iodolactone is not only important for preventing cancer, its production is also necessary to help regulate the oxidation of iodine.   Figure 3 illustrates this regulatory step in the oxidation/organific ation of iodine.  >  As previously mentioned, the oxidation of iodide to iodine occurs through the interaction of H2O2 and TPO. Iodine is a necessary product in order to provide the correct molecule in the cell so that organification can occur. If organification does not take place or is blocked, thyroid hormone and iodo-lipids will not be formed. As can be seen from Figure 3, this reaction is controlled by intracellular calcium levels and iodinated lipidsâ€"δ-iodolactone.> Intracellular calcium stimulates this pathway. On the other hand, δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids act as a brake on the system.  If there is not enough iodine in the cell to organify and produce adequate amounts of δ-iodolactone, it can set the stage for damage to the thyroid cell and the development of an autoimmune thyroid disorder such as Hashimoto’s or Graves’ disease.>  > A Proposed Mechanism For The Development Of Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders> The NADPH oxydase system is found in the mitochondria of our cells. The mitochondria are the energy-producing cells of our body. The mitochondria produce energy (i.e., ATP) through a complex process called oxidative phosphorylation. All medical students (and most physicians) are familiar with oxidative phosphorylation because we have to memorize the many steps responsible for producing ATP. This production of ATP requires many items including: oxygen, magnesium, ADP, and amino acids.> Many people with chronic illnesses, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, and autoimmune disorders, complain they have no energy. ATP is the molecule that stores energy for the body. The body is constantly producing and utilizing ATP. Its production is a complex process that is beyond this book. However, there are two cofactors, Vitamins B2 (riboflavin) and B3 (niacin), that are integral to stimulating oxidative phosphorylation and ATP production. > Hydrogen peroxide is a byproduct of oxidative phosphorylation.  It is this production of hydrogen peroxide that is so critical to the oxidation process of iodine. Hydrogen peroxide and TPO help to oxidize iodide to form iodine. > If there is a deficiency in iodine, which is common when ingesting the RDA for iodine, there will not be enough substrate (i.e., iodine) to produce iodinated lipids. As can be seen from Figure 3, the lack of δ-iodolactone and other iodinated lipids results in a loss of the ‘brake’ in the pathway to oxidize iodide. This may result in a temporarily production of too much hydrogen peroxide. This excess hydrogen peroxide can damage the enzyme TPO. > What Happens If TPO Is Damaged? Autoimmune Thyroid Illness> The body’s response to TPO damage is to produce antibodies against TPO or anti-TPO antibodies. A diagnosis of Hashimoto’s disease requires the presence of anti-TPO antibodies. As the damage worsens, surrounding proteins can also be damaged such as thyroglobulin. Damaged thyroglobulin will result in the body producing antibodies against thyroglobulinâ€" anti-thyroglobul in antibodies.> In most cases of Hashimoto’s disease, there are antibodies to both TPO and thyroglobulin present. Although Graves’ disease may also possess these same antibodies, antibody production is not necessary to make the diagnosis of Graves’ disease. However, my clinical experience has shown that the treatment for both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease can follow a similar course with similar positive outcomes. >  > How to Treat Autoimmune Thyroid Disorders> > 1.     Ingest enough iodine in order to provide adequate     substrate to iodinate lipids.> 2.  Take Vitamins B2 and B3 in amounts necessary to stimulate the NADPH system to produce adequate amounts of H2O2.  > 3. Correct oxidant stress in the thyroid gland and the mitochondria with antioxidants. > 4.      Ensure adequate magnesium levels. > 5.       Minimize oxidative stress in the body. >  >  > > Hashi's and iodine> >  > > Is the exact mechanism known why iodine at lower levels, i.e. 12.5, give problems to people with hashi's. Is it understood or is it mainly clinical observations? Why do doctors keep saying people with hashis should only take low doses of iodine? I am having a hard time understanding this.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I only take the ATP cofactors 3 times a day (it's vitamins B2 & B3), I take a multi, Omegas, magnesium and Adren-All 2 times a day. Everything else, I take only once in the morning around 6:15 am. I try to work my iron in sometime after my morning supplements (I take my cal/mag in the morning so I have to separate). I use Celtic Sea Salt in the morning and sometimes in the afternoon if I'm having adrenal issues. My schedule is typically 6:15, 11:00 for iron, 3:30, and the last ATP cofactor at 7:00. I'm lucky that I get home around 3:00, so it makes it easier. If I know I'm not going to be home, I put my afternoon round in a ziploc bag and throw it in my purse. I take my Nature-throid sub lingually at 6:15 after supplements and again at lunch(actually now I have a compounded version). I just pop open the capsule and pour it under my tongue and leave it there for about 10 minutes. I've taken Armour, NT and Synthroid tablets this way. Just be sure to let them dissolve for about 10 minutes. I've also taken my Armour at night before bed on an empty stomach. I had severe digestive issues and this seemed to help with that. Now that I am on ample magnesium and Vitamin C, I no longer have that problem. I am also gluten, dairy and soy free. Gluten was the killer for me. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 OK...so I'm thinking that Adren-all is the brand name of the supplements? Is there a reason you take you cal-mag seperate? I'm so bad...I tend to take everything at one time without thinking that there might be a conflict. On my meds I take Levothyroxine .175 mg 6 days a week and Estradiol 1 mg daily. The doc told me I can stop taking the Estradiol but gave me so suggestion on what to do next....I can't my thyroid test numbers from and she says she does not deal with Armour meds...I'm looking for a new doc. I have no idea if I can stop the estrogen cold turkey so I'm reading up on that. I have taken it since 1988 after a complete hysterectomy. I'm a mess. How do you feel when you have an adrenal problem? I have a weight problem...I'm 40 pounds overweight and it won't bugde. Thanks for you help...once again! Nanci From: <angelalee0511@...>Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodineiodine Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 8:09 AM I only take the ATP cofactors 3 times a day (it's vitamins B2 & B3), I take a multi, Omegas, magnesium and Adren-All 2 times a day. Everything else, I take only once in the morning around 6:15 am. I try to work my iron in sometime after my morning supplements (I take my cal/mag in the morning so I have to separate). I use Celtic Sea Salt in the morning and sometimes in the afternoon if I'm having adrenal issues. My schedule is typically 6:15, 11:00 for iron, 3:30, and the last ATP cofactor at 7:00.I'm lucky that I get home around 3:00, so it makes it easier. If I know I'm not going to be home, I put my afternoon round in a ziploc bag and throw it in my purse.I take my Nature-throid sub lingually at 6:15 after supplements and again at lunch(actually now I have a compounded version). I just pop open the capsule and pour it under my tongue and leave it there for about 10 minutes. I've taken Armour, NT and Synthroid tablets this way. Just be sure to let them dissolve for about 10 minutes. I've also taken my Armour at night before bed on an empty stomach. I had severe digestive issues and this seemed to help with that. Now that I am on ample magnesium and Vitamin C, I no longer have that problem.I am also gluten, dairy and soy free. Gluten was the killer for me.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 many ppl have a weight prob on T4 only meds. I take 5 FIVE mg estradiol daily. gracia McGregor wrote: > > > OK...so I'm thinking that Adren-all is the brand name of the supplements? > Is there a reason you take you cal-mag seperate? I'm so bad...I tend > to take everything at one time without thinking that there might be a > conflict. > On my meds I take Levothyroxine .175 mg 6 days a week and Estradiol 1 > mg daily. The doc told me I can stop taking the Estradiol but gave me > so suggestion on what to do next....I can't my thyroid test numbers > from and she says she does not deal with Armour meds...I'm looking for > a new doc. I have no idea if I can stop the estrogen cold turkey so > I'm reading up on that. I have taken it since 1988 after a complete > hysterectomy. > I'm a mess. > How do you feel when you have an adrenal problem? > I have a weight problem...I'm 40 pounds overweight and it won't bugde. > Thanks for you help...once again! > Nanci > > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Oh gosh, Nanci, before you quit the estrogen please join the group SGSM Survivor's Guide to Surgical Menopause. The lady who runs it is just wonderful and answers questions at great length. There is a wealth of information there. She also has a great blog on the subject surmeno.blogspot.com that might be helpful. ~ P.S. Any lady is welcome. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Yes and it's made by Orthomolecular. I take most of my supps in the morning. I take another round in the afternoon at the docs direction. I only separate my calcium from my iron, because iron binds calcium - or the other way around - I can never remember that. I take thyroid meds sublingually so I don't have to worry about when I've had my supps. The things you have to separate are calcium, iron and estrogen from thyroid meds, and calcium from iron. The jury is out on taking Vitamin C with Iodoral, but Steph says Dr. B doesn't say separate, so I don't. Why are you taking estrogen without progesterone? I've always heard you should never take E by itself. Is it BHRT or synthetic? You should read T.S. Wileys book on hormones. You'll get a lot of answers there. I have only read excerpts, but I intend to read the entire book. If you've had a complete hysterectomy, you aren't producing any hormones. You will need to replace estrogen, progesterone and testosterone. Your ovaries produce most of your estrogen and testosterone. That's probably why you feel so bad - that and the synthetic E if that's what you are taking. Is it possible to order a saliva test kit yourself from ZRT or Canary just to see what your levels are? I believe it's around $200 for the complete test - female panel and adrenal. You definitely need another doctor. Email me offlist and I'll send you some links on where to find one in your area. My cortisol tests determined my adrenal problem. My doc is conservative and didn't want to use HC. I'm a little hesitant as well, so I didn't push it. Your weight won't budge until you address your female hormones. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 This is so frustrating for me.....I have been on synthetic estrogen since 1988 and no one has ever said that I should be taking bio identical hormones or that I would need progesterone! I have never taken progesterone! And...no one ever said that I should not take all my meds at once! I have always taken the hormones with the thyroid as well as a host of supplements. I'll take the blame as well...it's my body and I should have started the research long long ago. I will email you off line for the doc info...I have no clue short of a google search on how to find a good holistic doc. Hubby is out of work so the $200.00 tests are out of the question right now....I'm praying I can find a doc that won't cost an arm and a leg as well. I'm just so tired of not feeling well, headaches, weight issues, unable to sleep well....thank you again! Nanci From: <angelalee0511@...>Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodineiodine Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 9:44 AM Yes and it's made by Orthomolecular. I take most of my supps in the morning. I take another round in the afternoon at the docs direction. I only separate my calcium from my iron, because iron binds calcium - or the other way around - I can never remember that. I take thyroid meds sublingually so I don't have to worry about when I've had my supps. The things you have to separate are calcium, iron and estrogen from thyroid meds, and calcium from iron. The jury is out on taking Vitamin C with Iodoral, but Steph says Dr. B doesn't say separate, so I don't. Why are you taking estrogen without progesterone? I've always heard you should never take E by itself. Is it BHRT or synthetic? You should read T.S. Wileys book on hormones. You'll get a lot of answers there. I have only read excerpts, but I intend to read the entire book. If you've had a complete hysterectomy, you aren't producing any hormones. You will need to replace estrogen, progesterone and testosterone. Your ovaries produce most of your estrogen and testosterone. That's probably why you feel so bad - that and the synthetic E if that's what you are taking. Is it possible to order a saliva test kit yourself from ZRT or Canary just to see what your levels are? I believe it's around $200 for the complete test - female panel and adrenal.You definitely need another doctor. Email me offlist and I'll send you some links on where to find one in your area.My cortisol tests determined my adrenal problem. My doc is conservative and didn't want to use HC. I'm a little hesitant as well, so I didn't push it. Your weight won't budge until you address your female hormones.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Wow...this is a lot more than I'm taking...did you doctor recommend that? Did you have a hysterectomy?> >> OK...so I'm thinking that Adren-all is the brand name of the supplements?> Is there a reason you take you cal-mag seperate? I'm so bad...I tend > to take everything at one time without thinking that there might be a > conflict.> On my meds I take Levothyroxine .175 mg 6 days a week and Estradiol 1 > mg daily. The doc told me I can stop taking the Estradiol but gave me > so suggestion on what to do next....I can't my thyroid test numbers > from and she says she does not deal with Armour meds...I'm looking for > a new doc. I have no idea if I can stop the estrogen cold turkey so > I'm reading up on that. I have taken it since 1988 after a complete > hysterectomy.> I'm a mess.> How do you feel when you have an adrenal problem?> I have a weight problem...I' m 40 pounds overweight and it won't bugde.> Thanks for you help...once again!> Nanci>> --> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Thank you very much ! I'll check it all out tonight! I really appreciate the help! Nanci From: <claudia_homer@...>Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodineiodine Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 8:48 PM Oh gosh, Nanci, before you quit the estrogen please join the group SGSM Survivor's Guide to Surgical Menopause. The lady who runs it is just wonderful and answers questions at great length. There is a wealth of information there. She also has a great blog on the subject surmeno.blogspot. com that might be helpful. ~ P.S. Any lady is welcome.> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I was wondering the same thing. I just started on 1/2 that didn't do anything and raised it to 1mg. Have been self treating for hypothyroid that's why I raised it on my own. ~ > > > > > > OK...so I'm thinking that Adren-all is the brand name of the supplements? > > Is there a reason you take you cal-mag seperate? I'm so bad...I tend > > to take everything at one time without thinking that there might be a > > conflict. > > On my meds I take Levothyroxine .175 mg 6 days a week and Estradiol 1 > > mg daily. The doc told me I can stop taking the Estradiol but gave me > > so suggestion on what to do next....I can't my thyroid test numbers > > from and she says she does not deal with Armour meds...I'm looking for > > a new doc. I have no idea if I can stop the estrogen cold turkey so > > I'm reading up on that. I have taken it since 1988 after a complete > > hysterectomy. > > I'm a mess. > > How do you feel when you have an adrenal problem? > > I have a weight problem...I' m 40 pounds overweight and it won't bugde. > > Thanks for you help...once again! > > Nanci > > > > -- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Oh good! I think you will really like it. The group is not very busy (darn). So I am reading the oldest posts to learn more. Have fun (o:. Oh, I forgot, one post said if you " have " to quit to wean yourself off over a month or two. Not to quit cold turkey. ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 OK....I'll go read too. I have been taking some natural supplements to help stop the estrogen but now I'm reading where soy can cause problems and most natural supplements are soy! Having low thyroid, taking synthetic hormones and being overweight makes for tons of reading and asking questions. From: <claudia_homer@...>Subject: Re: Hashi's and iodineiodine Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 4:20 PM Oh good! I think you will really like it. The group is not very busy (darn). So I am reading the oldest posts to learn more. Have fun (o:. Oh, I forgot, one post said if you "have" to quit to wean yourself off over a month or two. Not to quit cold turkey. ~ > > > > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 From the same site Bruce provided is this also :http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-05/IOD_05.htmlThis is why I am taking IODORAL and not the other types of Iodine-- to cure my Hashimoto's and Grave's and possibly (crosses fingers) get my nuked thyroid back.-Val M>> > This has been answered by Guy Abraham> http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-22/IOD_22.htm> > Hope that helps> > Bruce> > Hashi's and Iodine> > > > How can I reply to a practitioner who sent me this article?> > http://drknews.com/2010/03/08/some-studies-on-iodine-and-autoimmune-thyroid-disease/> > Does anyone have a good research reply article?> > Thanks,> Ali> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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