Re: When taking Iodoral

[Guest guest]

We do Vit C with our Iodoral and it has been fine. I have been doing that for almost 4 years. We do Naturethroid, Se, Mg, Zn, I, Vit B's and Vit C plus probiotic all together.

Steph

When taking Iodoral

I started my son on Iodoral yesterday and was concerned about other supplements interferring with absorption. I know that Vit. C should not be taken with it. Are there any others?Also, are there any supplements that help with absorption?I don't know if the iodoral had anything to do with it, but he slept about 12 hours last night.Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Steph,

Good to hear, I was getting nervous because I take my vit c with my Iodoral. How

much zinc is needed? I am taking all the other supplements except zinc. Just

started Iodoral a week ago I will have more questions when I get my labs on

my iodine and bromide levels.

Thanks,

Sherry

>

> We do Vit C with our Iodoral and it has been fine. I have been doing that for

almost 4 years. We do Naturethroid, Se, Mg, Zn, I, Vit B's and Vit C plus

probiotic all together.

>

> Steph

>

>

[Guest guest]

We take zinc because we are deficient. It's not part of the protocol for iodine.

Steph

Re: When taking Iodoral

Steph,Good to hear, I was getting nervous because I take my vit c with my Iodoral. How much zinc is needed? I am taking all the other supplements except zinc. Just started Iodoral a week ago I will have more questions when I get my labs on my iodine and bromide levels.Thanks,Sherry>> We do Vit C with our Iodoral and it has been fine. I have been doing that for almost 4 years. We do Naturethroid, Se, Mg, Zn, I, Vit B's and Vit C plus probiotic all together. > > Steph> >

[Guest guest]

I thought it was? 50mg zinc plus 2mg copper?

gracia

ladybugsandbees wrote:

>

> We take zinc because we are deficient. It's not part of the protocol

> for iodine.

> Steph

>

> * Re: When taking Iodoral

>

>

> Steph,

> Good to hear, I was getting nervous because I take my vit c with

> my Iodoral. How much zinc is needed? I am taking all the other

> supplements except zinc. Just started Iodoral a week ago I will

> have more questions when I get my labs on my iodine and bromide

> levels.

> Thanks,

> Sherry

>

>

> >

> > We do Vit C with our Iodoral and it has been fine. I have been

> doing that for almost 4 years. We do Naturethroid, Se, Mg, Zn, I,

> Vit B's and Vit C plus probiotic all together.

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

i have my daughter who had terrible bromide acne from the iodine on zinc..60 mg per day plus copper....the copper was in the tablet already..anyway her face is looking so much better..no new bumps and others are clearing and looking so much better...she must have been deficient i guess?? thank goodness for this suggestion to try zinc...it has helped a whole lot...

From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. net>Subject: Re: Re: When taking Iodoraliodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 4:01 PM

We take zinc because we are deficient. It's not part of the protocol for iodine.

Steph

Re: When taking Iodoral

Steph,Good to hear, I was getting nervous because I take my vit c with my Iodoral. How much zinc is needed? I am taking all the other supplements except zinc. Just started Iodoral a week ago I will have more questions when I get my labs on my iodine and bromide levels.Thanks,Sherry>> We do Vit C with our Iodoral and it has been fine. I have been doing that for almost 4 years. We do Naturethroid, Se, Mg, Zn, I, Vit B's and Vit C plus probiotic all together. > > Steph> >

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[Guest guest]

Sherry, my son has problems with chewing his clothes and other things, and

taking zinc is what has helped with that. Based on the autism mercury group, I

should give him his weight plus 20 in mg. I don't do that because his blood

labs show his zinc to be fine, but one of his doctors said that even though he

test normal, he may need to the extra zinc.

He had NAET allergy treatments with summer and when she tested his supplements,

it came back that he needed 300mg of zinc a day. Well, I'm not giving him that

amount because he only weighs 85 pounds. He may need it, but too much zinc can

deplete copper and vice versa.

I feel safer giving him only giving him 50-100mg a day and sometimes we skip

days or even go long periods without taking zinc.

> >

> > We do Vit C with our Iodoral and it has been fine. I have been doing that

for almost 4 years. We do Naturethroid, Se, Mg, Zn, I, Vit B's and Vit C plus

probiotic all together.

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If your son genuinely needs 300mg zinc per day (seems a huge amount), would it

be possible to also supplement with copper so that the correct balance was

maintained. This link was quite interesting

http://www.drkaslow.com/html/zinc-copper_imbalances.html

Low zinc status will interfere with conversion of t4 to t3.

Trish

>

>

> Sherry, my son has problems with chewing his clothes and other things, and

taking zinc is what has helped with that. Based on the autism mercury group, I

should give him his weight plus 20 in mg. I don't do that because his blood

labs show his zinc to be fine, but one of his doctors said that even though he

test normal, he may need to the extra zinc.

>

> He had NAET allergy treatments with summer and when she tested his

supplements, it came back that he needed 300mg of zinc a day. Well, I'm not

giving him that amount because he only weighs 85 pounds. He may need it, but

too much zinc can deplete copper and vice versa.

>

> I feel safer giving him only giving him 50-100mg a day and sometimes we skip

days or even go long periods without taking zinc.

[Guest guest]

Its important to realise that the RDA values are often way too low. However in terms of

minerals go with caution. Little by little see how it suits you.

From: vaborn9902 <vaborn9902@...>Subject: Re: When taking Iodoraliodine Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 6:28

Sherry, my son has problems with chewing his clothes and other things, and taking zinc is what has helped with that. Based on the autism mercury group, I should give him his weight plus 20 in mg. I don't do that because his blood labs show his zinc to be fine, but one of his doctors said that even though he test normal, he may need to the extra zinc. He had NAET allergy treatments with summer and when she tested his supplements, it came back that he needed 300mg of zinc a day. Well, I'm not giving him that amount because he only weighs 85 pounds. He may need it, but too much zinc can deplete copper and vice versa.I feel safer giving him only giving him 50-100mg a day and sometimes we skip days or even go long periods without taking zinc.> >> > We do Vit C with our Iodoral and it has been fine. I have been doing that for almost 4 years. We do Naturethroid, Se, Mg, Zn, I, Vit B's and Vit C plus probiotic all together. > > > > Steph> > >

>>

[Guest guest]

Steph,

I received my lab results from Hakala Labs.

% Iodine Excreted 70%

Bromide excreted in 24 hr 33.8 mg---IS THIS HIGH??

I recently started taking 50mg Iodoral. I am thyroidless (2 years) on Erfa and

taking all the supplements for the Iodoral protocol. I added Zinc.

Would love to hear suggestions since I am doing this on my own.

Thanks,

Sherry

>

>

> Steph,

> Good to hear, I was getting nervous because I take my vit c with my Iodoral.

How much zinc is needed? I am taking all the other supplements except zinc.

Just started Iodoral a week ago I will have more questions when I get my

labs on my iodine and bromide levels.

> Thanks,

> Sherry

[Guest guest]

Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.

If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and puts it

into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal reaction

she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills until he got

to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body was needing.

Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other doc

tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The zinc

just calms the chewing and behavior down.

You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's

possible his small body needs that much zinc?

Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....

Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)

T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190)

Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)

Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)

Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)

Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)

Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)

TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)

Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic

Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is

affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.

[Guest guest]

Steph-

Thanks for the information I really appreciate it:)

Sherry

[Guest guest]

> You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's

possible his small body needs that much zinc?

Blood test for zinc status and as for whether he really needs 300mg, well, as I

said before, that seems a huge amount. I have no personal experience of NAET

testing so can't comment on that apart from questioning the " subjectivity "

aspect ...that's the trouble with anything not scientifically measurable!(it

doesn't mean the testing is without value however, just that I don't know).

You say other tests showed normal levels of zinc and copper and from the thyroid

test results you posted there obviously isn't a conversion problem because his

Free T3 is over range ...so I would say he is a bit hyPER wouldn't you? High

copper can be a cause of hyPER.

I believe you can test youself for zinc status by taking zinc gluconate in your

mouth ...if it tastes chalky then you are low, if it tastes after about 30

seconds you are borderline and if it tastes disgusting then you are fine! I

haven't tried this myself.

Trish

>

> Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.

>

> If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and puts it

into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal reaction

she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills until he got

to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body was needing.

>

> Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other doc

tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The zinc

just calms the chewing and behavior down.

>

> You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's

possible his small body needs that much zinc?

>

> Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....

>

> Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)

> T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190)

> Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)

> Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)

> Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)

> Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)

> Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)

> TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)

> Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic

>

>

> Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is

affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.

>

[Guest guest]

I would strongly recommend not to trust NAET... I mean, 300mg Zinc says it all.

It's way too much.

I do not get it anyway how someone could know how much he/she needs by taking a

pill and watching the arm go down or not, that is just crazy. It MIGHT work for

someone who is supplementing alot and his/her subconsciousness tells " it was too

much last time " . But then, one could falsely assume that substance xy was too

much last time, or heard bad stuff about substance xy and therefore his

subconsciousness tells him " oh, bad stuff, better drop the arm " . And then again,

false alarm... or, one could think " what, that many pills, thats too much, I do

not want to swallow that much pills each day " and again... wrong diagnosis. Or

the person doing the NAET does the test differently. There are so many factors

involved that this testing simply can not work.

I mean come on, muscle weakness testing for internal organ problems for

example... What, if the patient just did not use that particular muscle a lot

for other reasons? boom, wrong diagnosis. Again, I think this approach is just

crazy, in this case with 300mg zinc its even dangerous, in other cases it might

be just a waste of money, and in some cases, it might work, as any random

diagnosis would, or because of the placebo effect, but that is no proof that it

does work if it works sometimes. What if one does train a muscle that is assumed

to be connected to a specific illness / organ. Its strong, because of training,

but the organ that the test was intended for might not be.

With alternative treatments we always walk a fine line because there is no big

money being spent in research, and one has to carefully watch out for scam, and

this is just scam in my eyes. Behind iodine there is a history of at least 200

years of use, studies, logical background(it simply makes sense) and community

experience, and what is behind NAET? Not that I want to compare iodine and NAET.

But one should compare the background of alternative treatments in general and

one should look for these factors to judge if it might work even if there are no

big randomized doubleblind studies behind it like with the pharma stuff.

> >

> > Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.

> >

> > If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and puts

it into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal

reaction she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills

until he got to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body

was needing.

> >

> > Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other

doc tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The

zinc just calms the chewing and behavior down.

> >

> > You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's

possible his small body needs that much zinc?

> >

> > Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....

> >

> > Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)

> > T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190)

> > Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)

> > Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)

> > Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)

> > Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)

> > Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)

> > TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)

> > Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic

> >

> >

> > Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is

affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

one interesting link for this topic:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3372923

> > >

> > > Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.

> > >

> > > If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and

puts it into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal

reaction she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills

until he got to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body

was needing.

> > >

> > > Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other

doc tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The

zinc just calms the chewing and behavior down.

> > >

> > > You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's

possible his small body needs that much zinc?

> > >

> > > Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....

> > >

> > > Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)

> > > T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190)

> > > Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)

> > > Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)

> > > Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)

> > > Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)

> > > Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)

> > > TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)

> > > Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic

> > >

> > >

> > > Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is

affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The problem there is, do you want to be taking your medical advice from the NIH/government, where mainstream allopathic medicine is on control, & they would tell you that all this iodine stuff is bogus? These are the people who would tell you to take every vaccine that comes down the pike (when many smart people believe that vaccines cause a host of auto-immune disorders.) These are the people who tell you that vitamin supplementation is potentially hazardous, etc., etc.Personally, I have a bit of trouble with muscle testing, but I know quite a few people who have used it with good results.Everybody on this list is, by definition, stepping outside the mainstream. How many steps you take is up to you, & if you don't want to trust muscle testing, that is your choice. However, the NIH trashes a lot of things that I have found valuable, so their word alone does not count with much for me.AnneOn Dec 28, 2009, at 1:37 PM, avproff@... wrote: one interesting link for this topic: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3372923 > > > > > > Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight. > > > > > > If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and puts it into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal reaction she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills until he got to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body was needing. > > > > > > Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other doc tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The zinc just calms the chewing and behavior down. > > > > > > You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's possible his small body needs that much zinc? > > > > > > Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back.... > > > > > > Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63) > > > T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190) > > > Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5) > > > Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51) > > > Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34) > > > Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40) > > > Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2) > > > TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82) > > > Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic > > > > > > > > > Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input. > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Above pubmed link:

"...Statistical analysis yielded no significant interjudge reliability, no significant correlation between the testers and standard biochemical tests for nutrient status, and no significant correlation between mechanical and manual determinations of relative muscle strength. In addition, the subjects were exposed in a double-blind fashion to supplements of thiamin, zinc, vitamin A, and ascorbic acid and two placebos (pectin and sucrose) and then re-tested.

According to applied kinesiology theory, "weak" (indicating deficiency) muscles are strengthened when the subject is exposed to an appropriate nutritional supplement. Statistical analysis revealed no significant differences in the response to placebo, nutrients previously determined (by muscle testing) to be deficient, and nutrients previously determined (by muscle testing) to be adequate. Even though the number of subjects (11) and nutrients (4) tested was limited,

the results of this study indicated that the use of applied kinesiology to evaluate nutrient status is no more useful than random guessing."

I agree, this could get dangerous.

Bruce

[Guest guest]

that seems way off the chart.. I have never seen such a huge dose.

david

From: Trish <fielddot@...>Subject: Re: When taking Iodoraliodine Date: Monday, 28 December, 2009, 19:10

> You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's possible his small body needs that much zinc? Blood test for zinc status and as for whether he really needs 300mg, well, as I said before, that seems a huge amount. I have no personal experience of NAET testing so can't comment on that apart from questioning the "subjectivity" aspect ...that's the trouble with anything not scientifically measurable!( it doesn't mean the testing is without value however, just that I don't know).You say other tests showed normal levels of zinc and copper and from the thyroid test results you posted there obviously isn't a conversion problem because his Free T3 is over range ...so I would say he is a bit hyPER wouldn't you? High copper can be a cause of hyPER.I believe you can test youself for zinc status by taking zinc gluconate in your mouth ...if it tastes chalky then you are low, if it tastes after about

30 seconds you are borderline and if it tastes disgusting then you are fine! I haven't tried this myself.Trish>> Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.> > If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and puts it into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal reaction she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills until he got to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body was needing.> > Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other doc tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The zinc just calms the chewing and behavior

down.> > You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's possible his small body needs that much zinc? > > Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....> > Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)> T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190)> Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)> Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)> Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)> Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)> Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)> TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)> Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic> > > Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.>

[Guest guest]

have never been impressed by muscle testing. Always the danger of trying to please the

practitioner. There's a need for a more objective assessment IMO.

From: avproff@... <avproff@...>Subject: Re: When taking Iodoraliodine Date: Monday, 28 December, 2009, 21:34

I would strongly recommend not to trust NAET... I mean, 300mg Zinc says it all. It's way too much. I do not get it anyway how someone could know how much he/she needs by taking a pill and watching the arm go down or not, that is just crazy. It MIGHT work for someone who is supplementing alot and his/her subconsciousness tells "it was too much last time". But then, one could falsely assume that substance xy was too much last time, or heard bad stuff about substance xy and therefore his subconsciousness tells him "oh, bad stuff, better drop the arm". And then again, false alarm... or, one could think "what, that many pills, thats too much, I do not want to swallow that much pills each day" and again... wrong diagnosis. Or the person doing the NAET does the test differently. There are so many factors involved that this testing simply can not work. I mean come on, muscle weakness testing for internal organ problems for example... What, if

the patient just did not use that particular muscle a lot for other reasons? boom, wrong diagnosis. Again, I think this approach is just crazy, in this case with 300mg zinc its even dangerous, in other cases it might be just a waste of money, and in some cases, it might work, as any random diagnosis would, or because of the placebo effect, but that is no proof that it does work if it works sometimes. What if one does train a muscle that is assumed to be connected to a specific illness / organ. Its strong, because of training, but the organ that the test was intended for might not be.With alternative treatments we always walk a fine line because there is no big money being spent in research, and one has to carefully watch out for scam, and this is just scam in my eyes. Behind iodine there is a history of at least 200 years of use, studies, logical background(it simply makes sense) and community experience, and what is behind NAET? Not that I want

to compare iodine and NAET. But one should compare the background of alternative treatments in general and one should look for these factors to judge if it might work even if there are no big randomized doubleblind studies behind it like with the pharma stuff.> >> > Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.> > > > If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and puts it into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal reaction she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills until he got to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body was needing.> > > > Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other doc tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The zinc just calms the chewing and behavior down.> > > > You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's possible his small body needs that much zinc? > > > > Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....> > > > Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)> > T3 Total...

162 (80 to 190)> > Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)> > Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)> > Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)> > Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)> > Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)> > TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)> > Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic> > > > > > Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.> >>

[Guest guest]

long before I read this report I didn't trust muscle testing.

Take your point on mainstream advice though.

In any situation where people are using multiple approaches

ie. idodine, minerals, vitamins, diet alteration. It's not always

easy to know what is working and what is not?

There is quite a bit of trial and error.

People are so varied.

david

one interesting link for this topic:http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ pubmed/3372923> > >> > > Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.> > > > > > If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and puts it into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal reaction she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills until he got to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the

dose his body was needing.> > > > > > Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His other doc tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels. The zinc just calms the chewing and behavior down.> > > > > > You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think it's possible his small body needs that much zinc? > > > > > > Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....> > > > > > Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)> > > T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190)> > > Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)> > > Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)> > > Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)> > > Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)> > > Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)> > > TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)> > > Iodine...

57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic> > > > > > > > > Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc is affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

You are totally right with not only trusting the scientific approach and the

pharma industry.

However, I think there is a BIG difference between not going the official way

and well, things like NAET.

I have a set of rules, call it a filter that I trust when doing alternative

stuff.

not all of these rules have to apply to the alternative treatment, but the more,

the better.

1. Was it used decades or centuries ago with success?

2. Is there a wide community using it with good success?

3. Are there studies? the more studies and the more good studies, the better.

4. Does the herb / vitamin / mineral / alternative treatment etc logically fit

into the problem it should help with (like, is the vitamin part of a metabolic

process that, if disturbed, causes symtoms like xy, are there medicaments that

try the same approach with some success, etc)

5. If there is enough evidence though point 1-4, or if I am desperate enough:)

and/or the risk of trying it out is low, does it work out for me?(but if it did

not work out for me, it does not mean it does not work, it just means, it was

not the part of the puzzle I needed - which could be useful because it can rule

out an option or point me to another direction)

I know a lot of alternative treatments, and to all that work most of these rules

apply. None of these points apply to NAET(except for point 5, because I did not

test it, but there is no evidence what so ever for that from the other points).

I see it that way: most dr's only trust in what the pharma industry tells them,

and/or whats been studied in a lot of big, doubleblinded, randomized studies.

Sure, that view alone is wrong. On the other hand, without this approach, a lot

of alternative approaches would not be here today because the lack of

understanding of the body, the substances, and even the knowledge of the

existence of these substances. So that view is not " bad " either. Remember,

modern medicine was founded on iodine, and it's because of the scientific work

of dr. abraham et al that we now do have the opportunity to put this knowledge

to work for us. His work is similar to that of the pharma industry, when they

test substances, the only difference is - this is no patentable substance(and he

has less money to spend on studies). So this approach and and way of thinking is

not so bad after all.

But still, I think just to orientate on the pure scientific approach alone is

wrong and just a part of the bigger picture, which I try to see with the rules

mentioned above. I had good success this way, and could separate the good stuff

from the scam. I am sure some people had success with NAET, because of random

luck and/or the placebo effect. Sometimes a NAET practitioner could see symptoms

other then the ones " diagnosed " through NAET, and kindly " include " them in his

NAET approach and therefore reduce his random outcome. Other then that, I am

sure that its good for making money too(not for the patient;)), because you will

have to come back for another NAET session if these 3 factors did not work out

for you, and spend more money for the lucky NAET practitioner. If you have bad

luck, your practitioner does not even have common sense to know when he should

stop like with this 300mg zinc case, and you, or the ones you love and care for

might get hurt in the process. Even if it does not go this crazy way, since the

NAET approach does not work, someone who suffers would not get the chance of a

diagnosis that could help if one would only rely on NAET, therefore suffer

longer and that alone is a no-go for me.

[Guest guest]

Im with you Anne, They make the food which makes us sick and then they sell us a

pill which we have to take forever, if they can get us all on some form of

medication they can control us better, just work and make them more money, and

most people are afraid to quite their jobs for fear of losing their insurance.

control, control, they want us to do everything they say.. read the book again,

1984, they had 'terriorist ' there too. Big Brother is here. I say everyone

should be on some sort of personal detox program daily for the rest of your

lives. Do it while you can. I just got over this cold/flu/broncotis/air

pollution - 20 years ago it was the Three day cold, today it last a month, I got

over it in two weeks, but for people its lasts longer than a month. Ten years

from now, who knows how long it will last, we may not be around in ten years..

if the planet flips - live for the moment, enjoy the day, have lots of orgasms

and give them freely, from robert from a beautiful but cold columbus ohio, our

unemployement is 8 percent... go buckeyes...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Trish for the link. I'll read that tonight.

> > > >

> > > > If you know anything about NAET testing, the doc takes a zinc pill and

puts it into his hand and test his reaction to it. If she doesn't be a normal

reaction she adds another pill and tests again. Well, she kept adding pills

until he got to 300mg and tested normal so she said that was the dose his body

was needing.

> > > >

> > > > Because it is a mineral, I'm scared to give him that much zinc. His

other doc tested his copper and it was in normal limits as was his zinc levels.

The zinc just calms the chewing and behavior down.

> > > >

> > > > You mentioned zinc status... how would I test for that? Do you think

it's possible his small body needs that much zinc?

> > > >

> > > > Here's his thryoid labs that were done awhile back....

> > > >

> > > > Free T4... 1.03 (0.45 to 1.63)

> > > > T3 Total... 162 (80 to 190)

> > > > Free T3... 3.6 (2.0 to 3.5)

> > > > Reverse T3.. 0.34 (0.18 to 0.51)

> > > > Anti-Thyr peroxidase <10 (0 to 34)

> > > > Antithryoglobulin AB <20 (0 to 40)

> > > > Thyroxine, Total... 6.8 (6.1 to 12.2)

> > > > TSH.... 1.50 (0.34 to 4.82)

> > > > Iodine... 57 (40 to 92) Mayo Clinic

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Based on what you said, do you think looking at these results that zinc

is affecting his thyroid? Thanks for your input.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm curious about this since my 19 year old already has a pretty bad acne

problem and I'll be starting her on Iodoral within the next week. I don't want

the problem to get worse and don't want to put her on antibiotics (which the

doctor recommended when she asked him). If she chooses the antibiotics, I can't

really stop her since she is 19 but if something natural will help, I would like

her to try it first. Is acne a symptom of a zinc deficiency? Should I

supplement with zinc when she starts the Iodoral? How long after yu started the

zinc supplementation did her acne improve?

Pamela

>

> i have my daughter who had terrible bromide acne from the iodine on zinc..60

mg per day plus copper....the copper was in the tablet already..anyway her face

is looking so much better..no new bumps and others are clearing and looking so

much better...she must have been deficient i guess?? thank goodness for this

suggestion to try zinc...it has helped a whole lot...

[Guest guest]

My ND says that acne is liver overload. He gives Vit A. You can take Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iu in one tablet.

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-the-Liver-Prevents-Acne & id=32910

This may help too:

http://curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=23

Re: When taking Iodoral

I'm curious about this since my 19 year old already has a pretty bad acne problem and I'll be starting her on Iodoral within the next week. I don't want the problem to get worse and don't want to put her on antibiotics (which the doctor recommended when she asked him). If she chooses the antibiotics, I can't really stop her since she is 19 but if something natural will help, I would like her to try it first. Is acne a symptom of a zinc deficiency? Should I supplement with zinc when she starts the Iodoral? How long after yu started the zinc supplementation did her acne improve?Pamela>> i have my daughter who had terrible bromide acne from the iodine on zinc..60 mg per day plus copper....the copper was in the tablet already..anyway her face is looking so much better..no new bumps and others are clearing and looking so much better...she must have been deficient i guess?? thank goodness for this suggestion to try zinc...it has helped a whole lot...

[Guest guest]

how long can you give that much vitamin a?? and would vitamin be hard on the liver at those doses?? or will it help liver overload??From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: Re: When taking Iodoraliodine Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:11 PM

My ND says that acne is liver overload. He gives Vit A. You can take Kroeger Herbs Sunny A - 25,000 iu in one tablet.

http://ezinearticle s.com/?How- the-Liver- Prevents- Acne & id=32910

This may help too:

http://curezone. com/dis/1. asp?C0=23

Re: When taking Iodoral

I'm curious about this since my 19 year old already has a pretty bad acne problem and I'll be starting her on Iodoral within the next week. I don't want the problem to get worse and don't want to put her on antibiotics (which the doctor recommended when she asked him). If she chooses the antibiotics, I can't really stop her since she is 19 but if something natural will help, I would like her to try it first. Is acne a symptom of a zinc deficiency? Should I supplement with zinc when she starts the Iodoral? How long after yu started the zinc supplementation did her acne improve?Pamela>> i have my daughter who had terrible bromide acne from the iodine on zinc..60 mg per day plus copper....the copper was in the tablet already..anyway her face is looking so much better..no new bumps and others are clearing and looking so much better...she must have been deficient i guess?? thank goodness for this suggestion to try zinc...it has helped a whole lot...

[Guest guest]

the zinc has helped my daugher a lot....no new bumps but still has old spots to clear up...i am thinking about trying some vitamin a like stephanie mentioned but not sure yet...the iodine totally made my daughters acne show up..she never had a bump before..but in other ways she is better so i did not tell her it was iodine!! her antibodies are down and her weight is stable i feel that overall she is better.....From: pamelalv <prov31mom23@...>Subject: Re: When taking Iodoraliodine Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:00 PM

I'm curious about this since my 19 year old already has a pretty bad acne problem and I'll be starting her on Iodoral within the next week. I don't want the problem to get worse and don't want to put her on antibiotics (which the doctor recommended when she asked him). If she chooses the antibiotics, I can't really stop her since she is 19 but if something natural will help, I would like her to try it first. Is acne a symptom of a zinc deficiency? Should I supplement with zinc when she starts the Iodoral? How long after yu started the zinc supplementation did her acne improve?

Pamela

>

> i have my daughter who had terrible bromide acne from the iodine on zinc..60 mg per day plus copper....the copper was in the tablet already..anyway her face is looking so much better..no new bumps and others are clearing and looking so much better...she must have been deficient i guess?? thank goodness for this suggestion to try zinc...it has helped a whole lot...