Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 The Iodine docs (Brownstein and Abraham) recommend that you take iodine with food. It is less irritating on the stomach and it is absorbed better - from what I am told. I have done it this way for almost 4 years. As for your first question. They aren't the same thing. Not sure what you are asking. Not sure if it is OK to take together. I know of no supplements that cannot be taken with iodine. IODINE ADVICE I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well...Please advise!!!Thank you.Regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I'd just make sure to not take together timewise. Similar to taking vit C apart/separately from iodine. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well...Please advise!!!Thank you.Regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 But the Vit C and Iodine is not a statement of fact. We have not determine that there is an issue since there are many of us who ARE taking Vit C and Iodine together successfully. Re: IODINE ADVICE I'd just make sure to not take together timewise. Similar to taking vit C apart/separately from iodine. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well...Please advise!!!Thank you.Regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 gotcha, I err on the side of caution when not known 100% Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: ladybugsandbees But the Vit C and Iodine is not a statement of fact. We have not determine that there is an issue since there are many of us who ARE taking Vit C and Iodine together successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Bruce, How separate do you mean? I am also going to be taking iron too...so, are you saying to wait like a half an hour, or so before taking the hydrogen peroxide, or vit. c, etc. apart from the iodine? Regan > > I'd just make sure to not take together timewise. > Similar to taking vit C apart/separately from iodine. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Regan > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well... > Please advise!!! > Thank you. > Regan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Advice to take (or not take) certain supplements in various combinations always baffles me. When we take nutrients from our FOODS, they come at us helter-skelter, in varied combinations, with no particular schedule. If human bodies couldn't draw nutrients from foods whenever they came along, the race would have died out a long time ago. For much of human history, the food supply was very undependable (as it still is, in many places.) If the body were really that picky about using vital nutrients only when appropriately/optimally paired, we'd all be in a world of hurt.More to the point, some of us get into a schedule of supplementation that can become your life's work, if you aren't careful. If you get too caught up in separating supplements, taking some on an empty stomach, some at certain times of day, etc., etc. when do you have time to live your life?For what it's worth, hydrogen peroxide only adds oxygen to the body. Analysis of air bubbles trapped in amber shows that the planet used to have a lot more oxygen in the atmosphere than it does now, & pollution in our cities reduces the available oxygen even more. Cancer & many pathogenic organisms do not like oxygen, & so find it harder to take hold if you feed them more oxygen. Personally, I wouldn't worry about using peroxide & iodine together, unless you find some research that I have never heard of. Oxygen & iodine are both basic elements that our body needs to function well.AnneOn Dec 30, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Bruce wrote: I'd just make sure to not take together timewise. Similar to taking vit C apart/separately from iodine. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well...Please advise!!!Thank you.Regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 "...It is important that H202 be taken on an empty stomach. This is best accomplished by taking it either one hour before meals or three hours after meals. If there is food in the stomach, the reaction of H202 on any bacteria present may cause excess foaming, indigestion, and possibly even vomiting. Additionally, some animal research indicates that when H202 given orally combines with iron and small amounts of vitamin C in the stomach, hydroxyl radicals are created (J Inorg Biochem 89;35(1):55-69)..." http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=25,589,2948 & q=75 Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan Bruce, How separate do you mean? I am also going to be taking iron too...so, are you saying to wait like a half an hour, or so before taking the hydrogen peroxide, or vit. c, etc. apart from the iodine?Regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I wouldn't mix them at all. Hydrogen peroxide is a heavy oxidizer and should be taken on an empty stomach. Do you have Walter Last's book? It concerns me that you are going on a H2O2 protocol without knowing the pros and cons. I don't know how it would react with iodine but I would take them separately until you know more about it. That being said, iodine and selenium are important to the life of H2O2. H2O2 treatment interests me. I hope you post your results later! Joan > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well... > Please advise!!! > Thank you. > Regan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 It can definitely become a major pain and get carried away yes. Peroxide however, will react with food and "fizz' If that takes place in the stomach it will give one gas rather than working as it should. But peroxide can be dangerous if misused, and being used therapeutically, so one looks at what the leaders in the field say. For example, the same person who says to take peroxide alone, also says the below in the same article; "Most of us started on hydrogen peroxide shortly after birth. Not only does mother´s milk contain high amounts of H202, the amount contained in the first milk (colostrum) is even higher. This seems only reasonable now that we know one of its main functions is to activate and stimulate the immune system." But; Fenton’s Reagent and Modified Fenton’s Reagent Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidant, but at low concentrations (<0.1%) its reaction kinetics are too slow to degrade many contaminants of concern. However, the addition of a ferrous (II) or ferric (III) iron dramatically increases the oxidative strength of peroxide. This increase is attributed to the production of hydroxyl radicals (OH•). In addition, a chain reaction is initiated, causing the formation of new radicals. The reaction of iron catalyzed peroxide oxidation at pH 3-5 is called a “Fenton’s Chemistry” after its discoverer H.J.H. Fenton. The iron/peroxide combination is known as “Fenton’s Reagent.” Fenton’s Chemistry was initially developed at peroxide concentrations of about 300 ppm (0.03%), when Fenton found that adding iron to a tartaric acid solution decomposed the acid. If the pH is less than 5, the iron (III) is reconverted to iron (II), via a side cyclic reaction, and the iron remains in solution to sustain the initiation of hydroxyl radical production. http://www.envsolutions.fmc.com/Applications/Soil/FentonsChemistry.aspx Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Seals Advice to take (or not take) certain supplements in various combinations always baffles me. When we take nutrients from our FOODS, they come at us helter-skelter, in varied combinations, with no particular schedule. If human bodies couldn't draw nutrients from foods whenever they came along, the race would have died out a long time ago. For much of human history, the food supply was very undependable (as it still is, in many places.) If the body were really that picky about using vital nutrients only when appropriately/optimally paired, we'd all be in a world of hurt. More to the point, some of us get into a schedule of supplementation that can become your life's work, if you aren't careful. If you get too caught up in separating supplements, taking some on an empty stomach, some at certain times of day, etc., etc. when do you have time to live your life? For what it's worth, hydrogen peroxide only adds oxygen to the body. Analysis of air bubbles trapped in amber shows that the planet used to have a lot more oxygen in the atmosphere than it does now, & pollution in our cities reduces the available oxygen even more. Cancer & many pathogenic organisms do not like oxygen, & so find it harder to take hold if you feed them more oxygen. Personally, I wouldn't worry about using peroxide & iodine together, unless you find some research that I have never heard of. Oxygen & iodine are both basic elements that our body needs to function well. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 http://tinyurl.com/ycqj4dv Science Direct - peroxide with iron just for reference Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 K..thanks ..I'll try it with food. Regan > > The Iodine docs (Brownstein and Abraham) recommend that you take iodine with food. It is less irritating on the stomach and it is absorbed better - from what I am told. I have done it this way for almost 4 years. > > As for your first question. They aren't the same thing. Not sure what you are asking. Not sure if it is OK to take together. I know of no supplements that cannot be taken with iodine. > > > > > IODINE ADVICE > > > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well... > Please advise!!! > Thank you. > Regan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 http://drinkh2o2.com/ This page has a very good summary of it. One of the best in one place. others are curezone.com and earthclinic.com Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: coloredoctave H2O2 treatment interests me. I hope you post your results later!Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 interesting and useful perspective. thanks Anne I'd just make sure to not take together timewise. Similar to taking vit C apart/separately from iodine. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards.. .I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well...Please advise!!!Thank you.Regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hi Joan, Thank you for your concern. I have read up on the pros and cons...I am just diving in and trying it...nothing else has worked to this point, so I figure what the hell...I am tired of giving my money away to doctors who don't effectively cure me; for treatments that cost and arm and leg. I am trying to read between the lines and weed out the crap... As it stands I am trying to cure: Epstein Barr, Herpes Simplex, HHV6, CMV, Hypothyroid, Hypoadrenalism, Hypoglycemia, Lyme, etc. I know the pros and cons of drugs versus alternative therapies...I have tried to weigh all of the information that I have gathered and I have seemingly come to a healthy, informed conclusion for myself. Of course I will have to see what the outcome is, and when I do, I will certainly post it for you. Happy New Year! Regan > > > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well... > > Please advise!!! > > Thank you. > > Regan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Anne, These are certainly noteworthy points that you have illustrated...sometimes we can get so caught up in these details that we forget the simplicity of what we are trying to attain in the first place. Thank you for your view. Regan > > > > > I'd just make sure to not take together timewise. > > Similar to taking vit C apart/separately from iodine. > > > > Bruce > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Regan > > > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between > > iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade > > hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have > > been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 > > hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How > > does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently > > ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my > > thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 > > throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide > > detox protocol as well... > > Please advise!!! > > Thank you. > > Regan > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Awesome! Thank you so much, Bruce! Regan > > http://tinyurl.com/ycqj4dv > Science Direct - peroxide with iron just for reference > Bruce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 There is definitely a reaction between iodine and antioxidants because iodine is an oxidant, its used widely for vitamin c testing in chemistry for example. There are more then enough websites about this reaction. However this is only affecting the iodine, changing it to iodide ion, not the potassium iodide, it remains unchanged. Unfortunately the literature on this subject is a bit thin, so the only assumption left to make is that abraham and brownstein conclude that either potassiumiodide alone or potassiumiodide combined with iodide ion do the job as good as lugols/iodoral without vit c or even better because of less side effects (no oxidative stress). I hope they will write a paper on this subject one day... The fact remains that only iodine has antibacterial effects, not the iodide ion. So if you are ill, you should separate lugols or iodoral from food and vit c or other antioxidants if you want to to take advantage of the antibacterial effect. I tested both when I was sick and when separating iodine from antioxidants I still was sick, but had almost no sick feeling, while on iodine mixed with vit c, I was completely sick. There might be the question left if it is a good idea to separate antioxidants from lugols/iodoral on a regular basis, esp. on high dosages because it could be that the oxidative stress could result in causing problems similar to any other oxidant and therefore result in a higher demand for glutathione which is the bodies main weapon to convert iodine into iodide ion. > > But the Vit C and Iodine is not a statement of fact. We have not determine that there is an issue since there are many of us who ARE taking Vit C and Iodine together successfully. > > > > > Re: IODINE ADVICE > > > > > I'd just make sure to not take together timewise. > Similar to taking vit C apart/separately from iodine. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Regan > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well... > Please advise!!! > Thank you. > Regan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Bruce, Are you taking the peroxide and the iodine? I am curious to know what your health regimen is... Regan > > http://tinyurl.com/ycqj4dv > Science Direct - peroxide with iron just for reference > Bruce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Perhaps it also depends what kind you are taking as well...to quote info, from a friend of mine: " Hulda explained why to take iodine on empty stomach--because iodine " stains " anything it comes into contact with. So, you want it to stain your stomach so that when your blood passes through, it will pick it up and carry it to the proper places. If you have food in there, it will stick to the food instead. At least that is how I understood it to work, and in my simple mind, it made sense. I don't remember Dr. Brownstein or Flechas saying to take with food....maybe Iodoral pills, but not Lugol's. " I think everyone finally finds a way that works for them... Regan > > The Iodine docs (Brownstein and Abraham) recommend that you take iodine with food. It is less irritating on the stomach and it is absorbed better - from what I am told. I have done it this way for almost 4 years. > > As for your first question. They aren't the same thing. Not sure what you are asking. Not sure if it is OK to take together. I know of no supplements that cannot be taken with iodine. > > > > > IODINE ADVICE > > > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well... > Please advise!!! > Thank you. > Regan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Dr. Brownstein tells his patients to take all forms of iodine with food. We have done detoxified, lugol's and Iodoral here. Steph IODINE ADVICE> > > > I am wondering if anyone can tell me what the difference is between iodine, as a detoxifier, and properly diluted 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and if it is safe to take both? Also, I have been given the advice to take the iodine 1 hour before food, or 3 hours afterwards...I want to know if this is the consensus? How does it interact with other things you may be taking? I recently ordered the 5% Lugol's solution...I just went down off of my thyroid meds completely and I am just taking Isocort, 4, 3, 2, 1 throughout the day...I also recently began the hydrogen peroxide detox protocol as well...> Please advise!!!> Thank you.> Regan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I'm picking up the peroxide tomorrow after studying it at length. I take iodine yes, no thyroid issues just as it is essential. Along with supplements and a good natural diet (trying anyways). Short version. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan Bruce, Are you taking the peroxide and the iodine?I am curious to know what your health regimen is...Regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 What is the reason not to take C with Iodine? I heard it neutralizes Iodine to take it with starches. Joyce Simmerman There is ALWAYS a "BETTER WAY"! WE can find & make ITa "Cradle for Humanity"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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