RE: Re: Hypothyroidism autopsy

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I hadn't noticed

that Cat, but now you mention it…I am going to send this to the RCP -

which everybody must remember, if you have any other comments or questions to

send to them, you have to do so by the 14th (deadline day). I will ask for one

of the 'thyroid specialists' to comment.

Luv - Sheila

> http://cogprints.org/5010/1/e3.pdf

The most worrying thing I find about that article is under the current

treatment guidelines this man wouldn't be considered for treatment for his

thyroid. His TSH wasn't at that magic 10, and his T4 was within range, and

whilst his T3 was below range they don't normally measure that here, so they

wouldn't know...

Anyone else worried about that...

Cat.

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Bob,

Perhaps we should impress upon our GPs that our bodies are to be left to medical science to get to the root cause of our health problems. Isn't there any way we could get pathologists on board to keep numbers - especially per practice - some of them might as well be Shipman!

Jane

Re: Hypothyroidism autopsy

Hi My sympathy goes to yourself and your friend in your loss.I think they all get to know eventually (surgeons) that someone has to write the case up for publication ( an index case ), since, if it's not already described in the published literature ~ effectively 'no-one knows about it'. > > > --- In thyroid treatment >

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Bob,

What about a genetic survey of all of the members (or all that want to take part?) - couldn't we do a mouth swab test to see if there are any common denominators, perhaps we could ask Bristol to look at them - what do you think?

Jane

Re: Hypothyroidism autopsy

Hi

[[....Early recognition of thyroid disease and early (correct) treatment will prevent any further decline - this logic is so crystal clear to my mind, that I can't understand why our learned doctors of the RCP, BTA et al can't grasp the concept .... but perhaps keeping people healthy is not desirable when you look at the bigger picture and how profitable illness can be....]]

The means to achieve ends is what politics is about ~

We know there is a huge challenge ahead.....

one should suspect an extortion racket when the figures don't add up.........

The mortality figures don't show the half of it......because the morbidity figures have also been 'fixed'.....

as 'mentioned' ....the death certificates conceal far more than they reveal.........we want to change that....

Quis custodiat, quis custodes ~ is the correct term in this case.

That's the job of the pathologists .....and the patholigist that did the autopsy was reprimanded for ??? precision (I suspect).

a heart attack doesn't 'just happen' in isolation.......thyroid disease doesn't 'just happen' in isolation......there has to be years of neglect prior to a display of the more pressing symptoms......they've managed to get away with disparaging remarks about overweight/ obesity for too long........not a 'cop-out'...but hang on, where's the 'cop' in this sham ~ not the RCP surely???

Real causes and real remedies won't be allowed to surface whilst the patholigists are getting way with 'blue murder'......

The TPA survey 2005/6 showed the weight problem very nicely; this weight problem reduced on adequate but not optimum treatment ( about half of cases ), as I recall....

may be worth reviewing that data...

best wishes

Bob

> ****The report said she was a newly diagnosed hypothyroid now on 150mcg thyroxine, possibly a tad too late! >

> That comment is probably hitting the nail square on the head,> Chris.... - too late ! Malfunctioning thyroid, undiagnosed and> untreated, can lead to just about any illness there is ... Thyroid> hormone is needed in every single cell of our bodies, and if the cells> do not receive enough of it, .....

[Guest guest]

My Mother died aged 45 from TB - one day, she suddenly vomiting,

bringing up a huge amount of blood. I never knew her, she was in different

sanatoriums from the day I was born. I was brought up in a children's home.

Never knew I had other sisters and a brother until years later, who I found had

also been brought up in different homes throughout Yorkshire. I managed to

trace them and got them all together when I was 43. My elder sister is

hypothyroid (started after a thyroid storm when she was admitted to hospital).

She is now well on Armour, my middle sister had a tumour on her pituitary, the

pituitary was removed and she was kept alive on various doses of different

hormones - but only 25 mcgs levothyroxine. She died a few years back. My

brother died aged 53 of cancer, but he started to look very hyPERthyroid before

his death. My youngest sister was never diagnosed, though when we first met and

she stayed with us, one morning, we couldn't get her to wake properly and it

turned out she was hyperglycaemic. We lost touch with her so no idea what she

is like now - which is a shame, and then, of course, we have me - who is also

hypothyroid. I have seen pictures of my maternal grandmother, who definitely looked

very hyPOThyroid.

Luv - Sheila

With compromised immunity your great aunts would have acquired the infections

of the day....the flu epidemic 1919, also took at least one of my great

aunts....and others.

TB was still epidemic until the cod-liver oil became available and accidentally

started to prevent the immune problems along with cure for rickets.

Sanatoria helped if they were in the sunshine belt (southern Britain)

I bet the tubercular peritonitis was one amongst many infections ~ EB virus and

many other almost 'symbiotic' ones.

[Guest guest]

I have a mark on my upper left arm left from my TB jab.

Luv - Sheila

Dad's father died at the age of 32 in a combustion (TB) hospital where my

grandmother was a nurse, so she was left to bring up 4 young children on her

own, they never knew their father because he was always in and out of the

hospital till he died and I believe where they actually both met.

Incidently, has anyone still got a mark from where we had the TB skin test near

the wrist. I can still see where I had mine.

[Guest guest]

Bob,

What about a genetic survey of all

of the members (or all that want to take part?) - couldn't we do a mouth swab

test to see if there are any common denominators, perhaps we could ask Bristol

to look at them - what do you think?

Jane

[Guest guest]

Hi

No though I had the BCG test AND the vaccination twice at

different schools, as noone believed I'd already had it done before- low

reaction.

Subject: Re: Hypothyroidism autopsy

Hi Sheila

That sounds dreadful!

Incidently, has anyone still got a mark from where we had the TB skin

test near the wrist. I can still see where I had mine.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Not sure how we could do that. We would probably need 'clinical'

conditions and the swabs should be done by somebody qualified I would think.

However, Bob will let us know his thoughts.

Luv - Sheila

Bob,

What about

a genetic survey of all of the members (or all that want to take part?) -

couldn't we do a mouth swab test to see if there are any common denominators,

perhaps we could ask Bristol to look at them - what do you think?

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