Re: what do people eat with our thyroid condition??

[Guest guest]

Broda advocated a fatty diet, not total fat obviously, but the ratio is

in his book. It empties from the stomach more slowly than carbs and keeps you

satisfied longer?

Also read that a hypo patient on too much protein will find weight loss

impossible. So it seems that a hypo wanting to keep on weight would do well to

eat protein? Just seem logical.

Sorry I cannot remember which Dr I was reading about the protein thing, could

have been Dr Berg.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi Berny; It is hard to find suitable carbs to eat when you are hypo. I have

cut out bread, potatoes and most fruit since christmas and in fact have lost

about a stone. (hooray!!) But I need carbs to feel full, what I found was a

low cal pita bread. (the one I use is from Sainsbury's) and only has 1.4 carb

per pita. The wraps are quite low as well. Hope this helps abit ! Regards

Jane

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> I know we are supposed to eat as much protein as possible but i find it

difficult for 2 reasons:

>

[Guest guest]

Berny - google low glycemic index and you will get a wealth of information on GI

foods.

Also take a look at this website:

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art4474.asp

It will give you a glycemic list of foods by type (Protein, veg, fruit etc).

There is also a list of high protein foods:

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art5309.asp

On that page there is a link to a list of high protein foods.

I follow the low GI diet and find it both easy and very satisfying. I also eat

3 main meals and 3 snacks each day - in short I eat a lot of food compared to

what I used to before. I also weight 17lbs less than I did when I started this

diet 9 months ago.

You wrote: For example i eat porridge or toast and cheese for breakfast and

that's satisfying.

I too have porridge for breakfast but I also have with it a fried egg, 2 or 3

slices of canadian bacon on an english muffin. That I find a very satisfying

breakfast. I used to have just porridge but this was not good for me and my Dr

told me to eat more protein.

For lunch I find something like Chicken (about 4oz)and salad with perhaps small

amount of cheese or chickpeas or black beans very filling.

Dinner can be any kind of meat (beef, pork, lamb, chicken, boiled ham,

buffalo/venison) with mixed green vegetables. Keep away from potato's, rice and

pasta. Initially I cut out potato,rice and pasta from my diet completely now I

allow a small amount every now and then. However I do not eat fries or frites.

I also cut out all cakes, biscuits, anything with pastry - anything which is

refined carbs - high sugar content. That also includes sodas and soft drinks

with or without artificial sweetners. I drink very little coffee but do drink

tea from time to time. My preferred drink is plain water or in the evening red

wine.

Fruit - my Dr told me to keep away from certain fruits - you'll find a list of

fruits on the 'not to eat' list in the glycemic index of foods I gave you a link

to above.

For fruit I daily eat a large handful of mixed berries

(raspberries,blackberries,strawberries and blueberries)with some nonfat plain

natural yoghurt which I then blend into a smoothie. This is normally my mid

morning snack.

Hope I have not depressed you - when you get the hang of it it is really quite

easy.

Good luck

M

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> I know we are supposed to eat as much protein as possible but i find it

difficult for 2 reasons:

>

> to eat protein 3 times a day for me is difficult

> i don't feel full up without carbohydrate.

> low gylicimic (?) diet is what food ? i heard we should eat low g food.

> thanks

> berny

>

[Guest guest]

Just a thought ladies and gents on this, they have discovered that glycemic index (GI) is not the way to go any more, for instance water melon comes out as high when in fact it is 90% water. They now do glycemic load (GL) which gives a much more accurate listing of foods to eat. Holford is a very good one to follow if you are thinking of getting a book. Here is a very good web site that gives you all the information that you require to go this route. http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm . Also, if you bake then a good idea is to change from white/wholemeal flour and use coconut flour, I use this for my hubby who is wheat and dairy intolerant - Tiana Coconut Flour is the one that I

use (not sure if there are others) and of course coconut oil is very good for us with hypot apparently. I make cookies for my hubby which are very palatable and on the Tiana web site http://www.tiana-coconut.com/index.html, I made him peanut butter cookies the other day and today I shall be making him the almond ones but adding in his favourite glace cherries.

Luv nne

Berny - google low glycemic index and you will get a wealth of information on GI foods.Also take a look at this website: http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art4474.asp

[Guest guest]

It does take time to change to a lower carb diet. Your body needs to get used

to the different demands on your digestion. It is easier to try and think of

new foods to add in, rather than just removing some.

Low carb vegetables include the following: asparagus, aubergine, green or yellow

string beans, red tomatoes, spinach, celery, peppers or green or yellow

courgettes only. Red, gold and yellow peppers may be better than the standard

green peppers. Some cabbage is OK if well cooked. Ripe avocados are acceptable

with caution. If you don't have bowel problems you could probably tolerate

salad as well.

Then there are meat, eggs, fish and hard cheese, which are all low carb.

The problem with too much carbohydrate in the diet is that it raises insulin

levels. This, in turn, can cause oestrogen dominance and that interferes with

thyroid utilisation.

I tend to have eggs for breakfast, sometimes with bacon, sausages, tomato, etc.

For other meals I have meat and veg or fish and salad, for example. I have the

occasional piece of bread, so I am not completely low carb, but it makes a

useful snack with cheese. I don't bother with rice, potatoes, pasta, etc.

If I have eaten a meal like roast lamb with vegetables I do feel satisfied, but

I never feel as full as if I had eaten more carbs with that meal. I still miss

carb foods, particularly if I become cold and tired, but I hope this will stop

happening as I manage to correct the low thyroid problems.

Miriam

>

> I know we are supposed to eat as much protein as possible but i find it

difficult for 2 reasons:

>

> to eat protein 3 times a day for me is difficult

> i don't feel full up without carbohydrate.

[Guest guest]

Hi Berny,

Someone told me that the 'satiated' feeling that you get when you eat carbs is

actually a bit like an opiate reaction, so that is why you feel good after

eating pasta etc. I think there have been some medical studies looking at this,

so perhaps do a scholar google search for this, if you like.

You asked what others eat. In the paragraphs below I've described the things

that I eat that make me feel better, and the things that I eat that make me feel

really quite terrible. For background info, I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism

and Hashimoto's Disease.

Foods that contain gluten are an absolute 'no go' for me. I have many adverse

symptoms after accidentally ingesting gluten. Did you know there is a link

between thyroid autoimmune disease and coeliac disease? This is worth thinking

about.

I go through periods where I crave high carb foods, but I've noticed that I feel

SO MUCH BETTER when I try and stick to protein and salad/vegies & fruits such as

berries (particularly blackberries) + a bit of dairy (for eg. fetta cheese /

plain yoghurt / milk).

Over the last few weeks, I've totally mucked up the food I was eating before

(the things I listed above) and have craved rice, pasta (gluten free),

chocolate, sweet drinks and a bit of icecream. I feel absolutely terrible.

I've noticed my energy levels have gone way down and even though I might get a

slight perk from the rush of sugar I'm ingesting, I find within a short while I

am absolutely exhausted. I've also noticed my heart beat goes crazy and I'm

having the awful sugar rushes that I used to have. The more I eat high carb and

high sugar food, the more I want it. It is almost like an addiction. I didn't

have any of these sugar rushes nor feelings of 'needing' carbs when I was eating

the food I used to eat (listed in the previous paragraph). Anything with

artificial colours/flavours/preservatives seem to make me feel terrible too.

Up until a few weeks ago, I had lost 6kg (just over 13 pounds) from eating well,

but I don't even want to stand on the scales at the moment.

It takes a while to 'wean' yourself off high carbs, but Berny, if you do, you

will probably notice a huge difference. I think more clearly, my skin and eyes

look clearer, I lose weight, etc. I'm not quite sure why I bothered to eat all

the rubbishy stuff that I started to eat again a few weeks ago. It takes about

a week or two to get your body used to NOT eating the high carbs, but once this

period is over, the body tends to get used to it. Well, it does in my case

anyway.

Writing this message has motivated me to STOP eating all the rubbish I've been

indulging in over the last few weeks and start my low carb food intake again. I

know that my body and my mind will notice!

P

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> For example i eat porridge or toast and cheese for breakfast and that's

satisfying.....But for lunch a slice of protein and veg is not enough for me. i

need some carbohydrates too. As i eat out often there is pasta (white) and i

eat that too....The same problem for dinner , the idea of protein again is not

easy....i've read that fruits are not good.....what do others eat? i know there

is a section for food but for me this a medicinal question.

[Guest guest]

Interesting....... now I thought GI and GL were one and the same almost.... I

shall have to have a read.

As a matter of interest my Dr told me to stay away from water melon as a food

because it would transit thru my body too fast and give me no food content.

This most likely because of my hypoglycemia - water is all well and good but

protein and carbs are needed.

M

>

> Just a thought ladies and gents on this, they have discovered that glycemic

index (GI) is not the way to go any more, for instance water melon comes out as

high when in fact it is 90% water.  They now do glycemic load (GL) which gives a

much more accurate listing of foods to eat. 

[Guest guest]

Nicely put Miriam - describes what I do to a T.

M.

>

> It does take time to change to a lower carb diet. Your body needs to get used

to the different demands on your digestion. It is easier to try and think of

new foods to add in, rather than just removing some.

>

> Low carb vegetables include the following: asparagus, aubergine, green or

yellow string beans, red tomatoes, spinach, celery, peppers or green or yellow

courgettes only. Red, gold and yellow peppers may be better than the standard

green peppers. Some cabbage is OK if well cooked. Ripe avocados are acceptable

with caution. If you don't have bowel problems you could probably tolerate

salad as well.

>

> Then there are meat, eggs, fish and hard cheese, which are all low carb.

>

> The problem with too much carbohydrate in the diet is that it raises insulin

levels. This, in turn, can cause oestrogen dominance and that interferes with

thyroid utilisation.

>

> I tend to have eggs for breakfast, sometimes with bacon, sausages, tomato,

etc. For other meals I have meat and veg or fish and salad, for example. I

have the occasional piece of bread, so I am not completely low carb, but it

makes a useful snack with cheese. I don't bother with rice, potatoes, pasta,

etc.

>

> If I have eaten a meal like roast lamb with vegetables I do feel satisfied,

but I never feel as full as if I had eaten more carbs with that meal. I still

miss carb foods, particularly if I become cold and tired, but I hope this will

stop happening as I manage to correct the low thyroid problems.

>

> Miriam

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure on what different ailments can and can't have but I went on a course with Holford, 100% Health weekend and he explained about the GL/GI at that course. Water Melon is I believe a negative calorie food, i.e. it takes more energy to digest it than it contains could be why your dr told you to stay away from it. There are a great deal of foods with this magic formulation and I would imagine that it could be a problem for those who are on a vegan diet.

Luv nne

Interesting....... now I thought GI and GL were one and the same almost.... I shall have to have a read.As a matter of interest my Dr told me to stay away from water melon as a food

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

The reason your GP probably said keep away from melon

is that it is a notorious promoter of thrush in women.

Kind regards

Mandy

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've been trying out this low carb malarky for a week now, what I'd do for a bag

of chips right now!

I'm more awake (I guess because I'm on levo now) but my muscles are pathetic.

They go wibbly after a short walk, and I have to walk miles!

Just how low on carbs do we have to go? I estimate I'm doing about 30g a day.

I just want to lose the weight (or rather dress sizes) being hypo has made me

gain in the past year.

So many sites are contradictory, some say you can't have tomatoes or peppers,

but as I'm allergic to fair few things like celery it's getting difficult.

What do you all eat? Is the wibblyness normal?

[Guest guest]

Over the years on thyroid forums, I have read that Atkins is good for us, as

well as South Beach.............for me personally I have always eaten

unprocessed food, as nature provides, rather than a factory and the less hands

that touch it the better. Not many trees with boxes and tins around here.

Just recently I have found that even though I have always had wholemeal bread

and rice, its still 'starch' and that has been a problem for me now that I find

I have Alkalysing Spondalytis (arthritas type). So lots of carbs in fruits and

veggies - but no starch is the way for me.....no potatoes, rice, bread,corn,

yams

The diet that Dr P has researched is, in my opinion, the right way to

go..........Patho- something that I cant spell (Caveman diet)

F

> Hi,

>

> I've been trying out this low carb malarky for a week now, what I'd do for a

bag of chips right now!

> I'm more awake (I guess because I'm on levo now) but my muscles are pathetic.

They go wibbly after a short walk, and I have to walk miles!

> Just how low on carbs do we have to go? I estimate I'm doing about 30g a day.

> I just want to lose the weight (or rather dress sizes) being hypo has made me

gain in the past year.

> So many sites are contradictory, some say you can't have tomatoes or peppers,

but as I'm allergic to fair few things like celery it's getting difficult.

> What do you all eat? Is the wibblyness normal?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ah yes I know about AS, I get a touch of it when my colitis really flares up,

it's a known extraintestinal feature!

Colitis is a pain with dieting as I'm supposed to eat little fibre and refined

food (low residue they call it)because of it but to lose weight you do the

opposite.

With regards to meals I'm doing ok cutting out carbs. But I am longing for some

chocolate!

>

> Just recently I have found that even though I have always had wholemeal bread

and rice, its still 'starch' and that has been a problem for me now that I find

I have Alkalysing Spondalytis (arthritas type). So lots of carbs in fruits and

veggies - but no starch is the way for me.....no potatoes, rice, bread,corn,

yams

>

[Guest guest]

Tracey - go

to our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk

and click on 'Hypothyroidism' and then click on 'Nutrition and Supplements'. Have

a look there at what's good and what's not.

Your

wobbliness could be because you are suffering with low adrenal reserve, as many

sufferers of hypothyroidism have, as an associated condition of being

hypothyroid. You can get tested through Genova Diagnostics www.gdx.uk.net

to see where your cortisol and DHEA lie at four specific times during the day -

or you may be suffering with systemic candidiasis. Ask your GP to check your ferritin

level, B12, Vitamin D3, magnesium, zinc and copper to see whether any of these

are low. If they are, you will need your GP to prescribe the necessary

supplements. It is really no good guessing what might be happening, you have to

get the required tests, and then treat. Once you get on to the correct

treatment for your hypothyroidism you should start to lose weight naturally,

Sheila

Hi,

I've been trying out this low carb malarky for a week now, what I'd do for a

bag of chips right now!

I'm more awake (I guess because I'm on levo now) but my muscles are pathetic.

They go wibbly after a short walk, and I have to walk miles!

Just how low on carbs do we have to go? I estimate I'm doing about 30g a day.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jen

Palaeolithic ??

The diet that Dr P has researched is, in my opinion, the right way to

go..........Patho- something that I cant spell (Caveman diet)

F

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ... the right way to

> go..........Patho- something that I cant spell (Caveman diet)

I suspect the word you are looking for is Paleo.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hey Tracey have you investigated LDN (Low dose naltrexone) for your colitis.

www.low dose naltrexone.org

Repeating a story I posted just last week that my doc told me,(sorry everyone if

I am going on about LDN) she prescribed LDN for a 12 year old who was about to

have surgery to remove his bowel. Surgery was cancelled and he is now fine. If

you are interested there is some info in the files section.

>

> Ah yes I know about AS, I get a touch of it when my colitis really flares up,

it's a known extraintestinal feature!

> Colitis is a pain with dieting as I'm supposed to eat little fibre and refined

food (low residue they call it)because of it but to lose weight you do the

opposite.

>

> With regards to meals I'm doing ok cutting out carbs. But I am longing for

some chocolate!

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yes I've been on LDN for nearly a year now! Luckily because I'm stubborn and

after 4 years of unmedicated UC I found something I agreed to take (as in I

don't really believe in steroids etc for it) and got it on NHS.

>

> Hey Tracey have you investigated LDN (Low dose naltrexone) for your colitis.

www.low dose naltrexone.org

>

> Repeating a story I posted just last week that my doc told me,(sorry everyone

if I am going on about LDN) she prescribed LDN for a 12 year old who was about

to have surgery to remove his bowel. Surgery was cancelled and he is now fine.

If you are interested there is some info in the files section.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> The diet that Dr P has researched is, in my opinion, the right way to

go..........Patho- something that I cant spell (Caveman diet)

>

> F

Hi ,

I took a look at this diet and although it appears to be healthy enough in

principle...I would be concerned that I was not getting any calcium in my diet.

I am not so sure this is a good diet for hypothyroid people...I already suffer

enough with pains in my bones and joints and I would be worried about increasing

my long term chances of getting osteoporosis if I stopped eating dairy products.

After years of being overweight, since I started taking levothyroxine last year

I am now losing a pound a week by eating 500 calories less daily than the

recommended calorie allowance for my age and height and this includes dairy

products in moderation. Also, to avoid constipation I also ensure I get some

daily fibre from oats/cereals which is also lacking in the caveman diet.

Gillian

>

[Guest guest]

Hi gillian, F, Read recently ( thanks Margaert) an interesting book- 'The Calcuim lie' that said that we do not need as much calcium as the dairy industry is keen to make us think. After all bone is made up of many minerals, not just calcuim. What do we take for high BP- calcium channel blockers. Many cultures do not eat dairy produce beyond weaning and they don't suffer unduly with osteoporosis. > thyroid treatment > From: gillian.issott@...> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:08:06 +0000> Subject: Re: what do people eat with our thyroid condition??> > > The diet that Dr P has researched is, in my opinion, the right way to go..........Patho- something that I cant spell (Caveman diet)> > > > F> > > > Hi , > I took a look at this diet and although it appears to be healthy enough in principle...I would be concerned that I was not getting any calcium in my diet. I am not so sure this is a good diet for hypothyroid people...I already suffer enough with pains in my bones and joints and I would be worried about increasing my long term chances of getting osteoporosis if I stopped eating dairy products. > After years of being overweight, since I started taking levothyroxine last year I am now losing a pound a week by eating 500 calories less daily than the recommended calorie allowance for my age and height and this includes dairy products in moderation. Also, to avoid constipation I also ensure I get some daily fibre from oats/cereals which is also lacking in the caveman diet. > > Gillian> > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

> Read recently ( thanks Margaert) an interesting book- 'The

Calcuim lie' that said that we do not need as much calcium as the dairy industry

is keen to make us think. After all bone is made up of many minerals, not just

calcuim. What do we take for high BP- calcium channel blockers. Many cultures do

not eat dairy produce beyond weaning and they don't suffer unduly with

osteoporosis.

Hi , I totally agree that there are many cultures who do not touch dairy

produce, not forgetting vegetarians and vegan's and people who are lactose

intolerant...obviously they do not seem to suffer too badly for not eating

it..however, having referred to Dr Peatfield's book,(Your Thyroid and how to

keep it healthy) he stresses that Calcium plays a crucial role in the correct

function of nerve stimuli (chapter twelve)...and he recommends that we get

1000-1500mg calcium a day (chapter nine) which suggests to me that we shouldn't

eradicate it from our diet completely if we can eat it.

As for calcium channel blockers, I have no personal experience of these, except

I know that they made my husband ill when he first started taking them with pain

in the kidneys and he had to come off them, also my mother was given them for

angina and they made her ankles swell up so bad she won't take them either. I've

read that they can be responsible for severe fluid retention in 40% of people

who take them.

Gillian

[Guest guest]

Hi Gillian,

Horrible pills! I had to stop too. I just meant to point

out that there are other sources of calcium than dairy and we need other

minerals too for the bones as well as calcium. This culture of ours

seems somewhat dairy obsessed - try eating out dairy free and you'll see

what I mean! I'm not saying it's a bad food, just one that is not

compulsory!

Subject: Re: what do people eat with our

thyroid condition??

Hi , I totally agree that there are many cultures who do not touch

dairy produce, , having referred to Dr Peatfield's book,(Your Thyroid

and how to keep it healthy) he stresses that Calcium plays a crucial

role in the correct function of nerve stimuli (chapter twelve)...and he

recommends that we get 1000-1500mg calcium a day (chapter nine) which

suggests to me that we shouldn't eradicate it from our diet completely

if we can eat it.

As for calcium channel blockers, I have no personal experience of these,

except I know that they made my husband ill when he first started taking

them with pain in the kidneys and he had to come off them, also my

mother was given them for angina and they made her ankles swell up

------------------------------------

TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

I know of a few vegans so I get the dairy talk, that alot of the calcium in

dairy is hard to absorb and that fish with small bones, your greens like kale

and rhubarb are all good sources of calcium.

I wish I could cut out diary altogether as it really isn't good for colitis, but

I have switched to goats milk which is a bit easier to digest (I had to when

feeding my son as my cows milk consumption gave him eczema).

>

> Hi Gillian,

>

> Horrible pills! I had to stop too. I just meant to point

> out that there are other sources of calcium than dairy and we need other

> minerals too for the bones as well as calcium. This culture of ours

> seems somewhat dairy obsessed - try eating out dairy free and you'll see

> what I mean! I'm not saying it's a bad food, just one that is not

> compulsory!

>