Re: Re: microwave?

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It's post # 28263 in the archives. I fog out at the legal stuff...

Re: Re: microwave?

> In a message dated 1/29/2005 10:25:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> mzellen03@... writes:

> I did: read the bottom of the link (in italics)

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> Sorry mine always gets cut off with " [Non-text portions of this message

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Ellen wrote:

>>Hi Ellen,

>>You can do that via your local travel agent and have a lot of fun at the

>>same time.

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> So you *don't* have a study?

I do. A good one. You just do not want to do your part and go look at it.

.....IRene

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Kind of hard to do, when I asked you to post a link, and you haven't yet.

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> Ellen wrote:

>>>Hi Ellen,

>>>You can do that via your local travel agent and have a lot of fun at the

>>>same time.

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>> So you *don't* have a study?

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> I do. A good one. You just do not want to do your part and go look at it.

> ....IRene

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You know what, Irene? Just never mind. You cannot see any side except your

own, you have to continually prove yourself more knowing that anybody that

could have a disagreement with you and frankly, since there is no apparent

hope of having an open minded discussion with you...

Just never mind.

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> Ellen wrote:

>>>Hi Ellen,

>>>You can do that via your local travel agent and have a lot of fun at the

>>>same time.

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>> So you *don't* have a study?

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> I do. A good one. You just do not want to do your part and go look at it.

> ....IRene

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Lynn Hoskins wrote:

> All I can contribute to the " microwave " thread is what my osteopath

> told me when I boasted I'd found a great plastic plate cover (for the

> Microwave) at my local department store. She informed me of a study

> done just a few years ago at UCLA (?) that showed plastic lids and

> containers, when microwaved, emit carcinogens.

Lots of plastics leach carcinogens when heated - styrofoam is the worst

but many of them are awful.

There are a few plastics that do not, which are specifically designed

for microwave cooking. Plastic is basically anything that can be

moulded, it's not necessarily polyethylene or polystyrene etc.

Anyway - there is microwave cookware from safe plastic material - and

glass and corningware is safe but not much else. It's really hard to

find genuine microwave cookware in USA. Nordicware is a good brand.

My coffee/tea mug cost me $18 because it is specially made from clay

with the metals removed. Metals attract microwave heat and get very hot

and can melt and leach out of a regular crockery item in the microwave,

lead poisoning being quite easy to get that way. Even glazes that are

usually safe may contain lead that will leach in a microwave.

The wrong cookware is why there are a few studies dotted around to show

" microwave food " is not safe.

> Whether I'm

> remembering the information correctly, I don't know.

Yes. You are remembering correctly. For example di(ethylhexyl)

adepate (DEHA), is considered a carcinogen, and is found in plastic wrap.

I do strongly suggest cooking in the proper microwave cookware and not

in whatever is handy - especially not regular plastic.

Nordicware and NeatIdeas Microwave ware are specialized options.

Some of my favourites are an omelette container - it folds in half.

and a special egg poacher for 2 eggs. I used to love my popcorn popper

till I got BTD'd. Same with the pasta/rice cooker. It converts to a

simmer pot that's still handy.

But what I use most is a set of cookware pots, and some stack, so you

can put say one thing in each layer with lid on top and cook it all.

The other safe thing is oven bags. The cellophane ones sold for roasts -

they are designed to be safe heated. Microwave cooking bags seem to be

missing in USA but they are similar and come in sizes so you put one

vegetable in each, plus a big one for the meat joint. So then to safely

cook a roast with veg - meat in bag in the middle of a large microwave

dish, cook 20 mins. Then add veg each in their own bag placed around the

meat which you now turned upside down. (Close all bags with a loose

twist at the top so it is properly closed but steam can make its way

out) Cook another 20 mins.

Thicken the meat juice for gravy and serve. Very yummy and a nice roast

start to finish in 40 mins.

> But I promptly

> returned the plate cover and am happy to use a nice, carcinogen-free

> paper towel to keep my food from splattering!

Is it carcinogen free?

Paper with dyes in it can contain benzidine which is a known carcinogen

- and white paper often is chlorine bleached, also can become unsafe

(some say carcinogenic). Some paper contains 2-Methylaziridine

(Proplyleneimine), a suspected carcinogen, do not know if paper towels do.

I would use microwave cookware lids :-))

The worst danger is when you get food very hot such as when fats are

involved in cooking - or candy with very high heat. Those for sure need

to be in cookware designed for the job.

Plastic etc needs to get hot to leach chemicals.

Also some plastics have very toxic releasing agents from the dies in

which they are made - wash them all well before using when new.

Microwave cookware too - anything made by a moulding process.

Suggestions :-))

Namaste,

Irene

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P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

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Actually, I thought it was about a willingess to learn...for me, the jury is

still out and I wanted to research *both* sides without seeing one side (of

researchers) called names.

(btw, I didn't see the part on the tourism website with the research report

on the safety of microwaves.)

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> Ellen wrote:

>> You know what, Irene? Just never mind. You cannot see any side

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> True. Did you think there was some kind of competition? Did you think

> you were a competitor? Apparently so or you would not be talking about

> " sides " .

> Did you think the microwave ovens are watching to see who " wins "

> whatever competition you perceive???

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> I don;t get it.

> This is not about you, though you seem to keep trying to make it that

> way. It's about microwaves and how they work.

> It's not about me either.

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> Really - I'm sorry but microwave ovens truly do not care about how you

> or I feel about them - I checked, I asked mine and it purred back quite

> loudly. (Could be cos my cat Purry is on mine of course, or it could be

> that dangerous micro-whatever it supposedly emits); but either way -

> it's about microwaves not about " sides " .

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> I can filter your emails if you'd feel better about it - it's fine with

> me either way. But I do not plan to pretend that the way microwaves work

> is about me (or you) when it is not!!! I am not that self-centered.

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> Namaste,

> Irene

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> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

> P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

> http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

> Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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In a message dated 1/30/2005 8:46:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mzellen03@... writes:

(btw, I didn't see the part on the tourism website with the research report

on the safety of microwaves.)

I didn't either but I was astounded by the websites for South African and

Indian recipes using the microwave. I got 92,000 hits. Other countries must

really use the things for more than warming green tea or heating leftovers.

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My goodnessI Irene you have been thru so much. I again thank you for sharing

yourself so unselfishly.. You certainly support my resolve about " no doctors " .

I needed that support Irene since it's basically a " self-trust " issue and

information from people on this site and web info. I'm really greatful to all

of you and of course BTD.

I recently started to take tons of supplements: optic nerve sup; Msm; multi

vit; hyauralic sup for skin; b complex; occasional pregnenolone; coleus

forskohilii; min supp w. detox blend. I'm also trying to stimulate optic nerve

with excercise. I cover good eye and keeping head straight while looking at

finger pointed for exp.to far left from the opposite right side-- eye is

" stretched " to right with the attempt to see left finger.Whatcha think???

Yes, I use Arnica as well as Blue-Emu (7% Emu oil).. Would love to know what

you use for Glaucoma; though my pressure is 17 over a long period. I really

believe my optic nerve was damaged from insulin/glucose dysfunction. I also have

severe nearsight--contacts work but I don't like them. They now have an FDA

approved insert lense, but with glaucoma doubt they would touch me.

Thanks again for all your help.

Re: Re: microwave?

Shirley Cuban wrote:

<< Irene: thanks for your " compassionate " response. I guess I would

trust the aspirin (haven't had any otc " anything " for many years) more

than m.o.>>

Hi,

That's your choice - but the science would tell me aspirin is

dangerous and m.o.s are safe.I never understand why multiple dangerous

drugs are swallowed so readily - right into the body - by millions of

people - but they are afraid of a method of heating food.

<< The years of study of asperin gives me a choice. If in some severe

situation where asperin would help--I can't imagine not taking it. I

have however over the years resisted all medications no matter what

" science " condones. >>

I like the send half decision better than the first :-)

I don't do drugs myself. I stick with energy medicine and food supplements.

<< I have been told that I could go blind if I don't take drops for

glaucoma (severe optic nerve damage-35%periferal vision loss); >>

I also had glaucoma. Scary as you can lose your sight. I had Pressure in

low to mid 30s. But I don't do drugs and so I used homeopathic remedies

to get rid of it and got my pressure back in normal range in less than 2

months. Had similar success in clients when I was working on people -

I'm specializing in animals now - but any good homeopath could help you

similarly if you were interested.

<< My bones would deteriorate quickly if I didn't take fosomax. Learned

from internet that Fosomax could cause sever damage to eyes.>>

Again the Fosamax is toxic in my book. With cushiong's syndrome I am

supposed to have bones so osteoporotic that I would break a rib if I

coughed. But my endocrinologist is incredulous - my last check showed as

she put it - " the bones of a 30 year old " and I am 56.

I do two things - I use homeopathy for cushing's syndrome and I eat

almost no salt. Salt leaches out calcium.

I'm not criticizing your choices - we all make the best ones we know how

with the information we have at the time.

I am just suggesting that *if* one gets fanatic enough about avoiding

toxins - the next step is to get open enough to safer alternatives to

end up *actively* looking for them. They do exist. And one has to do

something to take responsibility for the problem.

<< At 67 I do have trouble following a distant-driven golf ball (a rare

occasion); can still play tennis; have fallen off " new " bike twice, fell

down steps with multiple bruises on my buttocks without breaking anything.>>

All sounds very ouch!!!

Hope that soon quits - but do you keep arnica cream handy?

Put it where you expect a bruise and you won't get one. Or put it on a

bruise and it will evaporate.

<< (I try not to be supersticous--x'd fingers!!) I could fall in a way

that would cause broken bone--hope not. Told I have Crest disease (I do

have Raynauds being helped by eliminating dairy); and was told to take

blood pressure medicine. I refuse at this point to see ANY doctor. >>

I admire your resolve and hope you make great progress.

I used to have high blood pressure too - was over 200 systolic from 1998

through 2001, and I was having heart attacks. It's now 118/80 last I

checked, last month I think, and no heart attack/stroke risk any more. I

got it right in 2002.

I used hawthorne berry herb and homeopathy. I don't take anything for

it any more though - I'm happy where it is.

By the way - I found that yoga - beginning yoga class of mainly

stretches, twists and relaxation poses - took my systolic down 23 points

in an hour. I measured it before and after a good yoga workout on

several occasions.

> Thanks again Irene.

I wish you good health.

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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Maddviking@... wrote:

> I didn't either but I was astounded by the websites for South African and

> Indian recipes using the microwave. I got 92,000 hits. Other countries must

> really use the things for more than warming green tea or heating leftovers.

Most real South Africans don't want a stove cluttering up the house - I

did not. I still do not - it was the first thing to go when I moved in.

That's why I figured them a good population sample for health stats on

" nuked " food :-0))

It's worth the trip if you have not been there - and the exchange rate

is something like ten to one in your favour! (Early last year was 13 to

one - hurry before it drops!) It's a very meat-eating nation, hard to

find vegetarians so you may want to take some with you to fulfil

essentials...

......Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.